Re: [bolger] Re: limber holes, why bother?

Personally I just put a big hole in the bottom, behind
each station. That way, you don't have to worry about
trapping any water outside.

---richard@...wrote:

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CLC has bulkhead 1 closed up solid, this is the new
ground tackle 
compartment. Inside will be glassed and limestoned,
and I'll put a 
bilge pump inside under a grating. There will be some
water standing, 
what the bilge pump can't pick up, but I think the
glass and epoxy 
will let me ignore this small amount. Incidentaly, I'm
going the 
glassing before panel assembly on the pieces that may
have water 
stading. Groundtackle compartment, floor and sides of
cockpit. Also, 
I'm using pressure treated wood in all areas where
water may stand. 
Will put a bilge pump under the floorboards in the
cabin too. 
 
I'm certainly going to put limber holes in the cross
board just aft 
of the centerboard, on bulkhead/frame 5. And, on any
other cross 
pieces in the cockpit. Probably will put them in the
cross pieces 
under the floorboards in the cabin as well. 
 
However, why in the world would you want them under
the, sealed, 
seats? Can't figure that one. Might make taping the
chines easier, 
but would make fitting the panels harder. No corners
to put the 
panels up agaist. 
 
--- In bolger@y..., "Orr, Jamie"
<jorr@b...> wrote:

> Richard 
> 
> Yes, limber holes let water drain to the lowest

part of the hull so 
it can

> be removed (by mopping in my case -- I don't like

drain holes, they 
work

> both ways.) Limbers also prevent water

pooling in odd corners and

> encouraging rot. On the other hand, limbers

also allow 
spray/rainwater and

> spilled hot chocolate to get into hard to reach

places that were 
dry to

> start with. 
> 
> I think most of us have left the limbers out of

bulkhead #1 in 
order to keep

> any water running down the mast from getting into

the 
accommodation, wetting

> the sleeping bags and so on. This means it

has to be mopped out 
separately.

> 
> However, the limbers may also make it easier to

make the joins of 
bottom and

> bilge and bilge and side (at the chines) -- they

certainly make it 
easier to

> fillet and tape these joints. If you leave

them out you are faced 
with

> eight more corners to tape into and finish at

*each* bulkhead. 
That was

> enough reason for me! 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Jamie 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: richard@s... [mailto:richard@s...] 
> Sent: September 27, 2001 8:30 AM 
> To: bolger@y... 
> Subject: [bolger] limber holes, why bother? 
> 
> 
> I'm trying to think of a good reason to cut the

limber holes in my

> nice cleanly cutout bulkheads for Chebacco

LC.

> 
> Can't think of any good reason. What are they for

anyway? I cut the

> large holes in the center of the bulkhead, those

are needed for air

> circulation under the seats. LC had bulkhead 4

sealed off, with no

> air holes. Will probably add some kind of vent

there as well.

> 
> Anyway, what are limber holes there for? To allow

water to drain to

> the lowest portion of the boat, so you can have a

single drain 
plug?

> That's my theory, anyway. Why there are drawn in

the bulkheads and

> frames under the seats and in the other sealed

compartments, I have

> no idea. Any thoughts? 
> 
> 
> 
> Bolger rules!!! 
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On Sneakeasy, the limber holes looked enormous to me at 1" by 3 " (Bolger
labels them "drains"). I made them as he had drawn, but was skeptical as
I'd never seen limber holes so big. However, they turned out to be very
handy for sluicing out the boat on shore as they will easily drain off the
full output of a garden hose, so the accumulated sand and debris are
quickly swept back to the transom plug and out.

The more typical tiny limber holes can cause problems if not kept clean -
rot, or worse, sunken boats if you can't move water around to where you can
remove it in a crisis. No limber holes (ie watertight bulkheads) might be
better than having tiny limber holes in my opinion.

--Fritz

> However, the limbers may also make it easier to make the joins of

bottom and bilge and bilge and side (at the chines) -- they certainly
make it easier to fillet and tape these joints.

At the risk of the especially obvious, if you want the limbers for
ease of construction, but don't want them in order to get a
watertight cabin, then you can cut them during construction and plug
them after the seam is finished.

PHV

Richard:

I, like Jamie, followed the instructions when I built my Tennessee. That
included limber holes in all the bulkheads except the transom. I would not
do that again. What it meant on that boat was; in a rainstorm, the
otherwise cozy cabin was a swamp. Think about it, and use common sense.

Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From:richard@...[mailto:richard@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 10:30 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] limber holes, why bother?

I'm trying to think of a good reason to cut the limber holes in my
nice cleanly cutout bulkheads for Chebacco LC.

Can't think of any good reason. What are they for anyway? I cut the
large holes in the center of the bulkhead, those are needed for air
circulation under the seats. LC had bulkhead 4 sealed off, with no
air holes. Will probably add some kind of vent there as well.

Anyway, what are limber holes there for? To allow water to drain to
the lowest portion of the boat, so you can have a single drain plug?
That's my theory, anyway. Why there are drawn in the bulkheads and
frames under the seats and in the other sealed compartments, I have
no idea. Any thoughts?

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Hi again,

As far as fitting the panels, I followed Payson's recommendation -- I cut
the limbers in from either end, leaving enough in the centre to hold it
together, so keeping the corners for guidance in fitting the panels. Once
these were in place, a few strokes completed the cutting out of the limbers.

I can't say I worried too much about things like this when I built --
designer put limbers in the plan, I put them in the boat. We each make up
our minds what we want to do. But anytime I pay good money for expert
advice, I tend to listen to it.

On the other hand, my advice is free....

Jamie

-----Original Message-----
From:richard@...[mailto:richard@...]
Sent: September 27, 2001 9:05 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: limber holes, why bother?

However, why in the world would you want them under the, sealed,
seats? Can't figure that one. Might make taping the chines easier,
but would make fitting the panels harder. No corners to put the
panels up agaist.

--- In bolger@y..., "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@b...> wrote:
> Richard
>
> Yes, limber holes let water drain to the lowest part of the hull so
it can
> be removed (by mopping in my case -- I don't like drain holes, they
work
> both ways.) Limbers also prevent water pooling in odd corners and
> encouraging rot. On the other hand, limbers also allow
spray/rainwater and
> spilled hot chocolate to get into hard to reach places that were
dry to
> start with.
>
> I think most of us have left the limbers out of bulkhead #1 in
order to keep
> any water running down the mast from getting into the
accommodation, wetting
> the sleeping bags and so on. This means it has to be mopped out
separately.
>
> However, the limbers may also make it easier to make the joins of
bottom and
> bilge and bilge and side (at the chines) -- they certainly make it
easier to
> fillet and tape these joints. If you leave them out you are faced
with
> eight more corners to tape into and finish at *each* bulkhead.
That was
> enough reason for me!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jamie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: richard@s... [mailto:richard@s...]
> Sent: September 27, 2001 8:30 AM
> To: bolger@y...
> Subject: [bolger] limber holes, why bother?
>
>
> I'm trying to think of a good reason to cut the limber holes in my
> nice cleanly cutout bulkheads for Chebacco LC.
>
> Can't think of any good reason. What are they for anyway? I cut the
> large holes in the center of the bulkhead, those are needed for air
> circulation under the seats. LC had bulkhead 4 sealed off, with no
> air holes. Will probably add some kind of vent there as well.
>
> Anyway, what are limber holes there for? To allow water to drain to
> the lowest portion of the boat, so you can have a single drain
plug?
> That's my theory, anyway. Why there are drawn in the bulkheads and
> frames under the seats and in the other sealed compartments, I have
> no idea. Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you
like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
>
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- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
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CLC has bulkhead 1 closed up solid, this is the new ground tackle
compartment. Inside will be glassed and limestoned, and I'll put a
bilge pump inside under a grating. There will be some water standing,
what the bilge pump can't pick up, but I think the glass and epoxy
will let me ignore this small amount. Incidentaly, I'm going the
glassing before panel assembly on the pieces that may have water
stading. Groundtackle compartment, floor and sides of cockpit. Also,
I'm using pressure treated wood in all areas where water may stand.
Will put a bilge pump under the floorboards in the cabin too.

I'm certainly going to put limber holes in the cross board just aft
of the centerboard, on bulkhead/frame 5. And, on any other cross
pieces in the cockpit. Probably will put them in the cross pieces
under the floorboards in the cabin as well.

However, why in the world would you want them under the, sealed,
seats? Can't figure that one. Might make taping the chines easier,
but would make fitting the panels harder. No corners to put the
panels up agaist.

--- In bolger@y..., "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@b...> wrote:
> Richard
>
> Yes, limber holes let water drain to the lowest part of the hull so
it can
> be removed (by mopping in my case -- I don't like drain holes, they
work
> both ways.) Limbers also prevent water pooling in odd corners and
> encouraging rot. On the other hand, limbers also allow
spray/rainwater and
> spilled hot chocolate to get into hard to reach places that were
dry to
> start with.
>
> I think most of us have left the limbers out of bulkhead #1 in
order to keep
> any water running down the mast from getting into the
accommodation, wetting
> the sleeping bags and so on. This means it has to be mopped out
separately.
>
> However, the limbers may also make it easier to make the joins of
bottom and
> bilge and bilge and side (at the chines) -- they certainly make it
easier to
> fillet and tape these joints. If you leave them out you are faced
with
> eight more corners to tape into and finish at *each* bulkhead.
That was
> enough reason for me!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jamie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: richard@s... [mailto:richard@s...]
> Sent: September 27, 2001 8:30 AM
> To: bolger@y...
> Subject: [bolger] limber holes, why bother?
>
>
> I'm trying to think of a good reason to cut the limber holes in my
> nice cleanly cutout bulkheads for Chebacco LC.
>
> Can't think of any good reason. What are they for anyway? I cut the
> large holes in the center of the bulkhead, those are needed for air
> circulation under the seats. LC had bulkhead 4 sealed off, with no
> air holes. Will probably add some kind of vent there as well.
>
> Anyway, what are limber holes there for? To allow water to drain to
> the lowest portion of the boat, so you can have a single drain
plug?
> That's my theory, anyway. Why there are drawn in the bulkheads and
> frames under the seats and in the other sealed compartments, I have
> no idea. Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you
like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Richard

Yes, limber holes let water drain to the lowest part of the hull so it can
be removed (by mopping in my case -- I don't like drain holes, they work
both ways.) Limbers also prevent water pooling in odd corners and
encouraging rot. On the other hand, limbers also allow spray/rainwater and
spilled hot chocolate to get into hard to reach places that were dry to
start with.

I think most of us have left the limbers out of bulkhead #1 in order to keep
any water running down the mast from getting into the accommodation, wetting
the sleeping bags and so on. This means it has to be mopped out separately.

However, the limbers may also make it easier to make the joins of bottom and
bilge and bilge and side (at the chines) -- they certainly make it easier to
fillet and tape these joints. If you leave them out you are faced with
eight more corners to tape into and finish at *each* bulkhead. That was
enough reason for me!

Cheers,

Jamie

-----Original Message-----
From:richard@...[mailto:richard@...]
Sent: September 27, 2001 8:30 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] limber holes, why bother?

I'm trying to think of a good reason to cut the limber holes in my
nice cleanly cutout bulkheads for Chebacco LC.

Can't think of any good reason. What are they for anyway? I cut the
large holes in the center of the bulkhead, those are needed for air
circulation under the seats. LC had bulkhead 4 sealed off, with no
air holes. Will probably add some kind of vent there as well.

Anyway, what are limber holes there for? To allow water to drain to
the lowest portion of the boat, so you can have a single drain plug?
That's my theory, anyway. Why there are drawn in the bulkheads and
frames under the seats and in the other sealed compartments, I have
no idea. Any thoughts?

Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

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I'm trying to think of a good reason to cut the limber holes in my
nice cleanly cutout bulkheads for Chebacco LC.

Can't think of any good reason. What are they for anyway? I cut the
large holes in the center of the bulkhead, those are needed for air
circulation under the seats. LC had bulkhead 4 sealed off, with no
air holes. Will probably add some kind of vent there as well.

Anyway, what are limber holes there for? To allow water to drain to
the lowest portion of the boat, so you can have a single drain plug?
That's my theory, anyway. Why there are drawn in the bulkheads and
frames under the seats and in the other sealed compartments, I have
no idea. Any thoughts?