RE: [bolger] Re: Sharpie Cruisers
Bruce:
I can only tell you about the Tennessee, since I built one. It will cruise
at 10 knots, but likes 7 better, and is much more economical there. This is
with a Honda 9.9 which got around 15 mpg at the lower speed. Unfortunately,
the Tennessee does not come close to meeting your wish list. It has no
standing headroom as designed, never mind a flying bridge.
I think it would be possible to have a scaled up version in the 40 ft range
that would meet your requirements. I guess the Dakota would be the closest
to that. It is a nice looking boat. Vince Chew of this group is building
one.
The Champlain and the Topaz are somewhat more complicated in hull shape,
thus not so easy to build. I am still amazed at the way that rockered
Tennessee hull slipped through the water at full speed (14 mph) with almost
no wake.
Have you looked at Mark Abbema's sharpie?:
http://markvdesigns.tripod.com/boatbuilding/
Chuck
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From:bruce_hector@...[mailto:bruce_hector@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 7:05 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Sharpie Cruisers
Thanks Chuck, I was aware of these sites and had studied the Dak in
one of Phil's books. I guess I really was after the performance vs
economy differences. All could be built to similar interior layouts.
I hope I can resist the Aussie habit of "going up". But the view from
a fly bridge is sooooo cool.
What are the cruising speeds of the models with rocker in the hull? I
know the flat bottoms are fast. But what economy and performance
would you get with a 10 horse 4 stroke on the stern of each? How a
25? How do they handle? What force of wind and wave can they take?
I've sent off a snail mail to PB&F with these questions and my must
have list for his recomendations.
My wish list for a sharpie cruiser is:
- a real double bed. My aging back needs my posturepeadic
- a stand up head and separate shower
- usable galley with propane fridge & stove, hot waater sink and
counter.
- 10 Kts economical cruising speed with capability of more when needed
- max beam of 8' for occasional trailer use.
- enclosed, heatable cabin to extend Canada's short season
- space for guests to sleep, probably in convertible dinette
- sufficient lockers, storage and liquid capacity for extended calm
water cruising
- beachable, easy reboarding from the water.
- easy to build, I'm a klutz, but the Gougeon Bros. love me.
- handsome of course.
Any comments that will sharpen my aim at one design or the other are
appreciated.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
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I can only tell you about the Tennessee, since I built one. It will cruise
at 10 knots, but likes 7 better, and is much more economical there. This is
with a Honda 9.9 which got around 15 mpg at the lower speed. Unfortunately,
the Tennessee does not come close to meeting your wish list. It has no
standing headroom as designed, never mind a flying bridge.
I think it would be possible to have a scaled up version in the 40 ft range
that would meet your requirements. I guess the Dakota would be the closest
to that. It is a nice looking boat. Vince Chew of this group is building
one.
The Champlain and the Topaz are somewhat more complicated in hull shape,
thus not so easy to build. I am still amazed at the way that rockered
Tennessee hull slipped through the water at full speed (14 mph) with almost
no wake.
Have you looked at Mark Abbema's sharpie?:
http://markvdesigns.tripod.com/boatbuilding/
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From:bruce_hector@...[mailto:bruce_hector@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 7:05 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Sharpie Cruisers
Thanks Chuck, I was aware of these sites and had studied the Dak in
one of Phil's books. I guess I really was after the performance vs
economy differences. All could be built to similar interior layouts.
I hope I can resist the Aussie habit of "going up". But the view from
a fly bridge is sooooo cool.
What are the cruising speeds of the models with rocker in the hull? I
know the flat bottoms are fast. But what economy and performance
would you get with a 10 horse 4 stroke on the stern of each? How a
25? How do they handle? What force of wind and wave can they take?
I've sent off a snail mail to PB&F with these questions and my must
have list for his recomendations.
My wish list for a sharpie cruiser is:
- a real double bed. My aging back needs my posturepeadic
- a stand up head and separate shower
- usable galley with propane fridge & stove, hot waater sink and
counter.
- 10 Kts economical cruising speed with capability of more when needed
- max beam of 8' for occasional trailer use.
- enclosed, heatable cabin to extend Canada's short season
- space for guests to sleep, probably in convertible dinette
- sufficient lockers, storage and liquid capacity for extended calm
water cruising
- beachable, easy reboarding from the water.
- easy to build, I'm a klutz, but the Gougeon Bros. love me.
- handsome of course.
Any comments that will sharpen my aim at one design or the other are
appreciated.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
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> - 10 Kts economical cruising speed with capability of more whenneeded
As PCB has written in a couple of places, 10 kts sounds reasonable
but is an awkward middle sort of speed. To get 10 kts as a
displacement hull (like Champlain) would require about 70' LWL. To
get 10 kts in a shorter boat requires a hull that could easily be
driven 20 or 30 kts. I have a friend with a "trawler" of about 30'
that cruises at about 10 kts, but the bow is in the air and the wake
is large. It would be considered a semi-displacement hull.
It will probably be more natural to either settle for 6-7kts at pure
displacement speeds, or buy the bigger engine that will let you get
up into the mid-teens at least.
Peter
Hi Bruce,
To complete the list already started by Chuck,here is a link to
Champlain,
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/champlain/index.htm
Enjoy!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, playing cat& mouse with management while I sneak a
quicky in on the computer,snicker,snicker,....not far from the
St.Lawrence.......
To complete the list already started by Chuck,here is a link to
Champlain,
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/champlain/index.htm
Enjoy!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, playing cat& mouse with management while I sneak a
quicky in on the computer,snicker,snicker,....not far from the
St.Lawrence.......
--- In bolger@y..., bruce_hector@h... wrote:
> Is there anywhere I can see line drawings of all the sharpie
> cruisers? Tennessee, Idaho, Dakota, Champlain, et all. I've seen
pics
> on egroups files, duckworks and other boat links, but its the
> interiors and performance I'm most interested in. I'm thinking of
> building one as an economical cruiser and I'm having trouble
deciding
> on which will suit my needs best. Thanks for any help. Bruce Hector
> www.brucesboats.com
Thanks Chuck, I was aware of these sites and had studied the Dak in
one of Phil's books. I guess I really was after the performance vs
economy differences. All could be built to similar interior layouts.
I hope I can resist the Aussie habit of "going up". But the view from
a fly bridge is sooooo cool.
What are the cruising speeds of the models with rocker in the hull? I
know the flat bottoms are fast. But what economy and performance
would you get with a 10 horse 4 stroke on the stern of each? How a
25? How do they handle? What force of wind and wave can they take?
I've sent off a snail mail to PB&F with these questions and my must
have list for his recomendations.
My wish list for a sharpie cruiser is:
- a real double bed. My aging back needs my posturepeadic
- a stand up head and separate shower
- usable galley with propane fridge & stove, hot waater sink and
counter.
- 10 Kts economical cruising speed with capability of more when needed
- max beam of 8' for occasional trailer use.
- enclosed, heatable cabin to extend Canada's short season
- space for guests to sleep, probably in convertible dinette
- sufficient lockers, storage and liquid capacity for extended calm
water cruising
- beachable, easy reboarding from the water.
- easy to build, I'm a klutz, but the Gougeon Bros. love me.
- handsome of course.
Any comments that will sharpen my aim at one design or the other are
appreciated.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
one of Phil's books. I guess I really was after the performance vs
economy differences. All could be built to similar interior layouts.
I hope I can resist the Aussie habit of "going up". But the view from
a fly bridge is sooooo cool.
What are the cruising speeds of the models with rocker in the hull? I
know the flat bottoms are fast. But what economy and performance
would you get with a 10 horse 4 stroke on the stern of each? How a
25? How do they handle? What force of wind and wave can they take?
I've sent off a snail mail to PB&F with these questions and my must
have list for his recomendations.
My wish list for a sharpie cruiser is:
- a real double bed. My aging back needs my posturepeadic
- a stand up head and separate shower
- usable galley with propane fridge & stove, hot waater sink and
counter.
- 10 Kts economical cruising speed with capability of more when needed
- max beam of 8' for occasional trailer use.
- enclosed, heatable cabin to extend Canada's short season
- space for guests to sleep, probably in convertible dinette
- sufficient lockers, storage and liquid capacity for extended calm
water cruising
- beachable, easy reboarding from the water.
- easy to build, I'm a klutz, but the Gougeon Bros. love me.
- handsome of course.
Any comments that will sharpen my aim at one design or the other are
appreciated.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
Bruce:
Here is a link to the Tennessee lines:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/articles/building/Line.GIF
Idaho:
http://www.common-sense-boats.com/boats/Boats%20IMAGES/idaholine.gif
Dakota:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Dakota/Dakota%20Layout.jpg
the wyoming is in BWAOM. I don't know about the Champlain.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From:bruce_hector@...[mailto:bruce_hector@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:52 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Sharpie Cruisers
Is there anywhere I can see line drawings of all the sharpie
cruisers? Tennessee, Idaho, Dakota, Champlain, et all. I've seen pics
on egroups files, duckworks and other boat links, but its the
interiors and performance I'm most interested in. I'm thinking of
building one as an economical cruiser and I'm having trouble deciding
on which will suit my needs best. Thanks for any help. Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
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Here is a link to the Tennessee lines:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/articles/building/Line.GIF
Idaho:
http://www.common-sense-boats.com/boats/Boats%20IMAGES/idaholine.gif
Dakota:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Dakota/Dakota%20Layout.jpg
the wyoming is in BWAOM. I don't know about the Champlain.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From:bruce_hector@...[mailto:bruce_hector@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:52 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Sharpie Cruisers
Is there anywhere I can see line drawings of all the sharpie
cruisers? Tennessee, Idaho, Dakota, Champlain, et all. I've seen pics
on egroups files, duckworks and other boat links, but its the
interiors and performance I'm most interested in. I'm thinking of
building one as an economical cruiser and I'm having trouble deciding
on which will suit my needs best. Thanks for any help. Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
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01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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Is there anywhere I can see line drawings of all the sharpie
cruisers? Tennessee, Idaho, Dakota, Champlain, et all. I've seen pics
on egroups files, duckworks and other boat links, but its the
interiors and performance I'm most interested in. I'm thinking of
building one as an economical cruiser and I'm having trouble deciding
on which will suit my needs best. Thanks for any help. Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
cruisers? Tennessee, Idaho, Dakota, Champlain, et all. I've seen pics
on egroups files, duckworks and other boat links, but its the
interiors and performance I'm most interested in. I'm thinking of
building one as an economical cruiser and I'm having trouble deciding
on which will suit my needs best. Thanks for any help. Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com