Re: Is this a new idea?
David --
This is a bit off of your design brief, but Jim Michalak's "Trilars,"
the trimaran version of his 15' "Larsboat" canoe-kayak, seems
versatile in the way you describe. You could propel it via double-
ended paddle to get off the beach, or to return if becalmed. The
transom is square and could conceivably take a small motor. And the
sailing rig is all set to go. Reboarding after diving might be the
sticking point. Has room for two adults and one child for family
paddles and sails, or small enough to paddle solo.
Here's a link to his column mentioning it:
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/15mar01.htm
Anyway, food for thought. Good luck with this (the double-kayak
catamaran AND the Winnebago) -- it's a great idea.
All best,
Garth
This is a bit off of your design brief, but Jim Michalak's "Trilars,"
the trimaran version of his 15' "Larsboat" canoe-kayak, seems
versatile in the way you describe. You could propel it via double-
ended paddle to get off the beach, or to return if becalmed. The
transom is square and could conceivably take a small motor. And the
sailing rig is all set to go. Reboarding after diving might be the
sticking point. Has room for two adults and one child for family
paddles and sails, or small enough to paddle solo.
Here's a link to his column mentioning it:
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/15mar01.htm
Anyway, food for thought. Good luck with this (the double-kayak
catamaran AND the Winnebago) -- it's a great idea.
All best,
Garth
> Then I had an idea. What if you had a pair of kayaks that coulddriven
> easily be converted into pontoons for catamaran that would be
> by motor, sails or oars. The sailing needn't be a powerful beachcat
> rig, just something that would let you glide along at a modestclip.
> A motor could make her a nice fishing/diving platform, and why*not*
> have a way to drive it with oars -- that's my preferred way ofsail
> getting off the beach, I'll harden the sheet (or try to start the
> motor) once I'm well clear of the impact zone thank you very much.
> When Dad wants to make an early morning fishing trip (or Mom just
> wants to get away) a pontoon can be broken off and used as a kayak.
>
> It seems the key would be keeping the sail plan modest. Keep the
> small, keep the rest of the rig simple and light. I bet a cleverbefore?
> person could design it in such a way it wouldn't take up much more
> room than two traditional ocean kayaks.
>
> Anyone ever seen such a thing? Anyone ever thought of such a thing
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
>
>
> C.E.P.
> 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, New York 10001
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> (212) 247-0296
http://www.selway-fisher.com/SharpieDory.htm#EX
It's not a Bolger design, but it does show that the idea of a breakdown catamaran has been thought of before. Maybe a couple of June Bugs could be linked this way? Or a couple of Light Dories?
Gavin
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It's not a Bolger design, but it does show that the idea of a breakdown catamaran has been thought of before. Maybe a couple of June Bugs could be linked this way? Or a couple of Light Dories?
Gavin
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Say David,
Have you considered folding kayaks rafted together?.
Maybe a single for the "pontoon" and a double for the other side.
Open cockpit styles as in Klepper's AE1 & AE2 and Folbots would
afford maximun flexibilty in comfort. Without the spray decks
installed your daughter would be able to move about more freely in
the larger double, possibly waylaying the onset of bordom.
It was rumored recently that Klepper was releasing a catamaran
system.
Folbot has a "keep the crew working through the winter sale"
starting next week (?).
I think Clarkcraft has plans for folding kayaks.
Hasn't someone on this list homebuilt a foldable skin on frame
kayak (?), was that you Bill Samson(?).
Balough Sail Designs and FastYak have adaptable sail rigs.
Here's an interesting wingsail site;
http://www.geocities.com/wingfoil
Take a look at;http://www.easyriderkayaks.comThey have explored
your concept thoroughly, it's all hardshell stuff, but concepts could
be transferable to whatever medium of preference.
Patrick
Have you considered folding kayaks rafted together?.
Maybe a single for the "pontoon" and a double for the other side.
Open cockpit styles as in Klepper's AE1 & AE2 and Folbots would
afford maximun flexibilty in comfort. Without the spray decks
installed your daughter would be able to move about more freely in
the larger double, possibly waylaying the onset of bordom.
It was rumored recently that Klepper was releasing a catamaran
system.
Folbot has a "keep the crew working through the winter sale"
starting next week (?).
I think Clarkcraft has plans for folding kayaks.
Hasn't someone on this list homebuilt a foldable skin on frame
kayak (?), was that you Bill Samson(?).
Balough Sail Designs and FastYak have adaptable sail rigs.
Here's an interesting wingsail site;
http://www.geocities.com/wingfoil
Take a look at;http://www.easyriderkayaks.comThey have explored
your concept thoroughly, it's all hardshell stuff, but concepts could
be transferable to whatever medium of preference.
Patrick
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> FBBB --
>
> While my wife and I are mostly committed to staying here in New
York,
> I have to admit there's more than a little temptation to close up
> shop and hit the open road in a Winnebago. Naturally this brings up
> the question of the perfect boat to take along on a year of camping.
>
> Ocean kayaks have always been popular as camp boats in Baja
> California. Good for poking around in, big enough to fish out of
near
> shore. I've seen plenty of couples traveling with his and hers
kayaks
> having a blast. Only problem are when you stop paddling they stop
> going, and who's going to watch our daughter when my wife and I are
> out paddling?
>
> Zodiac type inflatables are also popular. Good for fishing or
diving,
> but not really my idea of boating for boating's sake fun.
>
> Then I had an idea. What if you had a pair of kayaks that could
> easily be converted into pontoons for catamaran that would be
driven
> by motor, sails or oars. The sailing needn't be a powerful beach
cat
> rig, just something that would let you glide along at a modest
clip.
> A motor could make her a nice fishing/diving platform, and why
*not*
> have a way to drive it with oars -- that's my preferred way of
> getting off the beach, I'll harden the sheet (or try to start the
> motor) once I'm well clear of the impact zone thank you very much.
> When Dad wants to make an early morning fishing trip (or Mom just
> wants to get away) a pontoon can be broken off and used as a kayak.
>
> It seems the key would be keeping the sail plan modest. Keep the
sail
> small, keep the rest of the rig simple and light. I bet a clever
> person could design it in such a way it wouldn't take up much more
> room than two traditional ocean kayaks.
>
> Anyone ever seen such a thing? Anyone ever thought of such a thing
before?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
>
>
> C.E.P.
> 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, New York 10001
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> (212) 247-0296
Similar theme but very specific in purpose (Bi-Yak)
http://www.biyak.net/TheBiyak.htm
http://www.biyak.net/TheBiyak.htm
I know of at least one other similar craft. Some time ago an
Australian couple attempted a circumnavigation of Australia in a
catamaran made from two kayaks. As I recall, the setup included a
boom-tent over the platform. The trip's described in a book called
"Keeping Australia on the Left", which I've seen but not read.
Steve Paskey
Australian couple attempted a circumnavigation of Australia in a
catamaran made from two kayaks. As I recall, the setup included a
boom-tent over the platform. The trip's described in a book called
"Keeping Australia on the Left", which I've seen but not read.
Steve Paskey
--- In bolger@y..., mike_vacanti@h... wrote:
> Take a look at this web page for exactly what you have described.
>
>http://www.watertribe.com/Events/FinishAlnsingBoysBoat.jpg
>
> Mike
> --- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> > FBBB --
>
> <snip>
>
> > Then I had an idea. What if you had a pair of kayaks that could
> > easily be converted into pontoons for catamaran that would be
> driven
> > by motor, sails or oars. The sailing needn't be a powerful beach
> cat
> > rig, just something that would let you glide along at a modest
> clip.
>
> <snip>
http://www.campanoe.com/
>
> I think I saw an ad for something like this recently. Is it called
> some combination of camper/canoe...
>
> can't remember the web site...
Take a look at this web page for exactly what you have described.
http://www.watertribe.com/Events/FinishAlnsingBoysBoat.jpg
Mike
http://www.watertribe.com/Events/FinishAlnsingBoysBoat.jpg
Mike
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> FBBB --
<snip>
> Then I had an idea. What if you had a pair of kayaks that could
> easily be converted into pontoons for catamaran that would be
driven
> by motor, sails or oars. The sailing needn't be a powerful beach
cat
> rig, just something that would let you glide along at a modest
clip.
<snip>
Ah, now I remember: Campanoe
http://userpages.chorus.net/sstokes/
http://userpages.chorus.net/sstokes/
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> FBBB --
>
> While my wife and I are mostly committed to staying here in New
York,
> I have to admit there's more than a little temptation to close up
> shop and hit the open road in a Winnebago. Naturally this brings up
> the question of the perfect boat to take along on a year of camping.
>
> Ocean kayaks have always been popular as camp boats in Baja
> California. Good for poking around in, big enough to fish out of
near
> shore. I've seen plenty of couples traveling with his and hers
kayaks
> having a blast. Only problem are when you stop paddling they stop
> going, and who's going to watch our daughter when my wife and I are
> out paddling?
>
> Zodiac type inflatables are also popular. Good for fishing or
diving,
> but not really my idea of boating for boating's sake fun.
>
> Then I had an idea. What if you had a pair of kayaks that could
> easily be converted into pontoons for catamaran that would be
driven
> by motor, sails or oars. The sailing needn't be a powerful beach
cat
> rig, just something that would let you glide along at a modest
clip.
> A motor could make her a nice fishing/diving platform, and why
*not*
> have a way to drive it with oars -- that's my preferred way of
> getting off the beach, I'll harden the sheet (or try to start the
> motor) once I'm well clear of the impact zone thank you very much.
> When Dad wants to make an early morning fishing trip (or Mom just
> wants to get away) a pontoon can be broken off and used as a kayak.
>
> It seems the key would be keeping the sail plan modest. Keep the
sail
> small, keep the rest of the rig simple and light. I bet a clever
> person could design it in such a way it wouldn't take up much more
> room than two traditional ocean kayaks.
>
> Anyone ever seen such a thing? Anyone ever thought of such a thing
before?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
>
>
> C.E.P.
> 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, New York 10001
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> (212) 247-0296
I think I saw an ad for something like this recently. Is it called
some combination of camper/canoe...
can't remember the web site...
some combination of camper/canoe...
can't remember the web site...
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> FBBB --
>
> While my wife and I are mostly committed to staying here in New
York,
> I have to admit there's more than a little temptation to close up
> shop and hit the open road in a Winnebago. Naturally this brings up
> the question of the perfect boat to take along on a year of camping.
>
> Ocean kayaks have always been popular as camp boats in Baja
> California. Good for poking around in, big enough to fish out of
near
> shore. I've seen plenty of couples traveling with his and hers
kayaks
> having a blast. Only problem are when you stop paddling they stop
> going, and who's going to watch our daughter when my wife and I are
> out paddling?
>
> Zodiac type inflatables are also popular. Good for fishing or
diving,
> but not really my idea of boating for boating's sake fun.
>
> Then I had an idea. What if you had a pair of kayaks that could
> easily be converted into pontoons for catamaran that would be
driven
> by motor, sails or oars. The sailing needn't be a powerful beach
cat
> rig, just something that would let you glide along at a modest
clip.
> A motor could make her a nice fishing/diving platform, and why
*not*
> have a way to drive it with oars -- that's my preferred way of
> getting off the beach, I'll harden the sheet (or try to start the
> motor) once I'm well clear of the impact zone thank you very much.
> When Dad wants to make an early morning fishing trip (or Mom just
> wants to get away) a pontoon can be broken off and used as a kayak.
>
> It seems the key would be keeping the sail plan modest. Keep the
sail
> small, keep the rest of the rig simple and light. I bet a clever
> person could design it in such a way it wouldn't take up much more
> room than two traditional ocean kayaks.
>
> Anyone ever seen such a thing? Anyone ever thought of such a thing
before?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
>
>
> C.E.P.
> 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, New York 10001
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> (212) 247-0296
FBBB --
While my wife and I are mostly committed to staying here in New York,
I have to admit there's more than a little temptation to close up
shop and hit the open road in a Winnebago. Naturally this brings up
the question of the perfect boat to take along on a year of camping.
Ocean kayaks have always been popular as camp boats in Baja
California. Good for poking around in, big enough to fish out of near
shore. I've seen plenty of couples traveling with his and hers kayaks
having a blast. Only problem are when you stop paddling they stop
going, and who's going to watch our daughter when my wife and I are
out paddling?
Zodiac type inflatables are also popular. Good for fishing or diving,
but not really my idea of boating for boating's sake fun.
Then I had an idea. What if you had a pair of kayaks that could
easily be converted into pontoons for catamaran that would be driven
by motor, sails or oars. The sailing needn't be a powerful beach cat
rig, just something that would let you glide along at a modest clip.
A motor could make her a nice fishing/diving platform, and why *not*
have a way to drive it with oars -- that's my preferred way of
getting off the beach, I'll harden the sheet (or try to start the
motor) once I'm well clear of the impact zone thank you very much.
When Dad wants to make an early morning fishing trip (or Mom just
wants to get away) a pontoon can be broken off and used as a kayak.
It seems the key would be keeping the sail plan modest. Keep the sail
small, keep the rest of the rig simple and light. I bet a clever
person could design it in such a way it wouldn't take up much more
room than two traditional ocean kayaks.
Anyone ever seen such a thing? Anyone ever thought of such a thing before?
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
While my wife and I are mostly committed to staying here in New York,
I have to admit there's more than a little temptation to close up
shop and hit the open road in a Winnebago. Naturally this brings up
the question of the perfect boat to take along on a year of camping.
Ocean kayaks have always been popular as camp boats in Baja
California. Good for poking around in, big enough to fish out of near
shore. I've seen plenty of couples traveling with his and hers kayaks
having a blast. Only problem are when you stop paddling they stop
going, and who's going to watch our daughter when my wife and I are
out paddling?
Zodiac type inflatables are also popular. Good for fishing or diving,
but not really my idea of boating for boating's sake fun.
Then I had an idea. What if you had a pair of kayaks that could
easily be converted into pontoons for catamaran that would be driven
by motor, sails or oars. The sailing needn't be a powerful beach cat
rig, just something that would let you glide along at a modest clip.
A motor could make her a nice fishing/diving platform, and why *not*
have a way to drive it with oars -- that's my preferred way of
getting off the beach, I'll harden the sheet (or try to start the
motor) once I'm well clear of the impact zone thank you very much.
When Dad wants to make an early morning fishing trip (or Mom just
wants to get away) a pontoon can be broken off and used as a kayak.
It seems the key would be keeping the sail plan modest. Keep the sail
small, keep the rest of the rig simple and light. I bet a clever
person could design it in such a way it wouldn't take up much more
room than two traditional ocean kayaks.
Anyone ever seen such a thing? Anyone ever thought of such a thing before?
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296