Re: Solent lug rig
Chebacco News has a picture of a model with the Solent Lug rig. I'm
sure there must be others out there somewhere.
http://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/ch33.htm
sure there must be others out there somewhere.
http://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/ch33.htm
--- In bolger@y..., "Bill Kreamer" <kreamer@m...> wrote:
> Can you all say again where to get an on-line image of the Solent
rig
> (and/or variations)? I'm building a sharpie. Please and Thanks. -
Bill
Can you all say again where to get an on-line image of the Solent rig
(and/or variations)? Im building a sharpie. Please and Thanks. - Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: John Bell [mailto:jmbell@...]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 9:42 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Solent lug rig
I just pulled out my notes and plans from when I was considering
building
BW. I had drawn a 153 sq. foot balanced lug that will balance like the
original main. The CE is in almost exactly the same location, within
three
inches both horizontally and vertically. The CE is a foot or so lower
than
the Solent main. The sail's dimensions are as follows:
Foot - 14' 4"
Leach - 19' 0"
Head - 12' 3"
Luff - 9' 9"
Clew to Throat - 16'3"
Boom downhaul 2' 4" aft from tack
Halyard attaches 3' 3" aft from throat.
The mast can be reduced to ~ 15' 6". This has the advantage that all the
spars can be stowed completely inside the boat. If I ever get a BW, this
is
the rig I'd go with.
As for managing the yard when hoisting sail, I agree that it can be a
bit a
thrill until the luff tightens up. If you have two aboard it can be made
a
little less thrilling with the second person tensioning the luff until
the
sail is nearly hoisted. BW is probably the safest boat do this in, since
the
mate has free range up forward of the mast in the slot.
I also agree that the Solent plus jib looks positively spiffy.
JB
(and/or variations)? Im building a sharpie. Please and Thanks. - Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: John Bell [mailto:jmbell@...]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 9:42 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Solent lug rig
I just pulled out my notes and plans from when I was considering
building
BW. I had drawn a 153 sq. foot balanced lug that will balance like the
original main. The CE is in almost exactly the same location, within
three
inches both horizontally and vertically. The CE is a foot or so lower
than
the Solent main. The sail's dimensions are as follows:
Foot - 14' 4"
Leach - 19' 0"
Head - 12' 3"
Luff - 9' 9"
Clew to Throat - 16'3"
Boom downhaul 2' 4" aft from tack
Halyard attaches 3' 3" aft from throat.
The mast can be reduced to ~ 15' 6". This has the advantage that all the
spars can be stowed completely inside the boat. If I ever get a BW, this
is
the rig I'd go with.
As for managing the yard when hoisting sail, I agree that it can be a
bit a
thrill until the luff tightens up. If you have two aboard it can be made
a
little less thrilling with the second person tensioning the luff until
the
sail is nearly hoisted. BW is probably the safest boat do this in, since
the
mate has free range up forward of the mast in the slot.
I also agree that the Solent plus jib looks positively spiffy.
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "johannes gustafsson" <boathead5@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 6:06 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Solent lug rig
| Dick,
| The solent lug rig seems like a low-tech sister to the sliding
| gunter, without the sliding feature. One nice thing about that is
| when you do put in a reef, inconvenient (and dangerous--if you're out
| there in rough conditions) as it might be, you're also reducing the
| windage aloft. Doesn't the alternative rig for Birdwatcher also
| feature a jib with the solent lug mainsail? I've seen sail plans for
| small boats that include a jib with a high peaked standing lug (the
| solent lug is the ultimate high-peaked standing lug), but never with
| a balanced lug. Probably the portion of the boom ahead of the mast
| would foul the jibsheets when tacking. The solent lug with jib would
| probably have a lower CE than a single balanced lug sail of similar
| area would, which might be important to a boat like Birdwatcher. And
| the fore-and-aft CE position might be different too, without moving
| the mast. It would be easy to work those things out on paper, of
| course, if someone wanted to deviate from the sailplans as drawn.
| I'm not sure everyone would agree with JB though that the balanced
| lug is "easier handling, (esp. with lazyjacks)." From what others
| have said (ask Chuck) hoisting and striking can get pretty
| interesting in a good breeze, and lazyjacks don't help very much
| because the yard assumes a vertical head-down orientation during the
| process. The self-vanging feature of the balanced lug is a plus, to
| be sure, which the sprit boom of the original Birdwatcher rig also
| provides.
| -- johannes
|
| --- In bolger@y..., jmbell@m... wrote:
| > I've never heard from anyone who built one of these who thought it
| > was the best solution. It's supposedly a mess to reef while
| underway.
| > The only thing I can see going for it is that it make for shorter
| > spars for trailering.
| >
| > On Birdwatcher, a better choice for a larger rig would be a
| balanced
| > lug. That way you get shorter spars of the solent lug, plus you get
| > the advantage of easier handling (esp. with lazy jacks) and a lower
| > sail plan. The balanced lug is a very docile rig as well with lower
| > sheeting forces for a given size and soft jibes.
| >
|
|
|
|
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I just pulled out my notes and plans from when I was considering building
BW. I had drawn a 153 sq. foot balanced lug that will balance like the
original main. The CE is in almost exactly the same location, within three
inches both horizontally and vertically. The CE is a foot or so lower than
the Solent main. The sail's dimensions are as follows:
Foot - 14' 4"
Leach - 19' 0"
Head - 12' 3"
Luff - 9' 9"
Clew to Throat - 16'3"
Boom downhaul 2' 4" aft from tack
Halyard attaches 3' 3" aft from throat.
The mast can be reduced to ~ 15' 6". This has the advantage that all the
spars can be stowed completely inside the boat. If I ever get a BW, this is
the rig I'd go with.
As for managing the yard when hoisting sail, I agree that it can be a bit a
thrill until the luff tightens up. If you have two aboard it can be made a
little less thrilling with the second person tensioning the luff until the
sail is nearly hoisted. BW is probably the safest boat do this in, since the
mate has free range up forward of the mast in the slot.
I also agree that the Solent plus jib looks positively spiffy.
JB
BW. I had drawn a 153 sq. foot balanced lug that will balance like the
original main. The CE is in almost exactly the same location, within three
inches both horizontally and vertically. The CE is a foot or so lower than
the Solent main. The sail's dimensions are as follows:
Foot - 14' 4"
Leach - 19' 0"
Head - 12' 3"
Luff - 9' 9"
Clew to Throat - 16'3"
Boom downhaul 2' 4" aft from tack
Halyard attaches 3' 3" aft from throat.
The mast can be reduced to ~ 15' 6". This has the advantage that all the
spars can be stowed completely inside the boat. If I ever get a BW, this is
the rig I'd go with.
As for managing the yard when hoisting sail, I agree that it can be a bit a
thrill until the luff tightens up. If you have two aboard it can be made a
little less thrilling with the second person tensioning the luff until the
sail is nearly hoisted. BW is probably the safest boat do this in, since the
mate has free range up forward of the mast in the slot.
I also agree that the Solent plus jib looks positively spiffy.
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "johannes gustafsson" <boathead5@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 6:06 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Solent lug rig
| Dick,
| The solent lug rig seems like a low-tech sister to the sliding
| gunter, without the sliding feature. One nice thing about that is
| when you do put in a reef, inconvenient (and dangerous--if you're out
| there in rough conditions) as it might be, you're also reducing the
| windage aloft. Doesn't the alternative rig for Birdwatcher also
| feature a jib with the solent lug mainsail? I've seen sail plans for
| small boats that include a jib with a high peaked standing lug (the
| solent lug is the ultimate high-peaked standing lug), but never with
| a balanced lug. Probably the portion of the boom ahead of the mast
| would foul the jibsheets when tacking. The solent lug with jib would
| probably have a lower CE than a single balanced lug sail of similar
| area would, which might be important to a boat like Birdwatcher. And
| the fore-and-aft CE position might be different too, without moving
| the mast. It would be easy to work those things out on paper, of
| course, if someone wanted to deviate from the sailplans as drawn.
| I'm not sure everyone would agree with JB though that the balanced
| lug is "easier handling, (esp. with lazyjacks)." From what others
| have said (ask Chuck) hoisting and striking can get pretty
| interesting in a good breeze, and lazyjacks don't help very much
| because the yard assumes a vertical head-down orientation during the
| process. The self-vanging feature of the balanced lug is a plus, to
| be sure, which the sprit boom of the original Birdwatcher rig also
| provides.
| -- johannes
|
| --- In bolger@y..., jmbell@m... wrote:
| > I've never heard from anyone who built one of these who thought it
| > was the best solution. It's supposedly a mess to reef while
| underway.
| > The only thing I can see going for it is that it make for shorter
| > spars for trailering.
| >
| > On Birdwatcher, a better choice for a larger rig would be a
| balanced
| > lug. That way you get shorter spars of the solent lug, plus you get
| > the advantage of easier handling (esp. with lazy jacks) and a lower
| > sail plan. The balanced lug is a very docile rig as well with lower
| > sheeting forces for a given size and soft jibes.
| >
|
|
|
|
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Laced to the yard.
----- Original Message -----
From: <kayaker37@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 8:57 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Solent lug rig
| For those of us who are Solent Lug rig impaired, is the sail now semi-
| permanently laced to the yard? The original rig was rolled up and
| conveniently stored attached to the mast. Where is it stored in the
| new plan?
|
|
| > > sticks out whether rowing or trailering) or to raise. (The
| original
| > > rig had to have the sail semi-permanently laced to the mast and
| use
| > > vertical reefing.) Reefing is of less concern than dousing the
|
|
|
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For those of us who are Solent Lug rig impaired, is the sail now semi-
permanently laced to the yard? The original rig was rolled up and
conveniently stored attached to the mast. Where is it stored in the
new plan?
permanently laced to the yard? The original rig was rolled up and
conveniently stored attached to the mast. Where is it stored in the
new plan?
> > sticks out whether rowing or trailering) or to raise. (Theoriginal
> > rig had to have the sail semi-permanently laced to the mast anduse
> > vertical reefing.) Reefing is of less concern than dousing the
Dick,
Yes, it sounds like you might be happy with the solent lug rig and
jib. You might want to think about how you're going to safely douse
the main in a stiff breeze though, because without some planning and
practice, it's not hard to see how that yard thrashing around could
cause you some grief. Using a parrel around the mast near where the
halyard attaches to the yard might provide better control, but with
the luff not being attached to anything there's still some potential
left for the sail to get full of wind at the wrong moment while
you're trying to get it down. Maybe the short luff could be loosely
attached to the mast by toggled parrels in a couple places too, just
to help prevent that sort of thing from happening.
-- johannes
Yes, it sounds like you might be happy with the solent lug rig and
jib. You might want to think about how you're going to safely douse
the main in a stiff breeze though, because without some planning and
practice, it's not hard to see how that yard thrashing around could
cause you some grief. Using a parrel around the mast near where the
halyard attaches to the yard might provide better control, but with
the luff not being attached to anything there's still some potential
left for the sail to get full of wind at the wrong moment while
you're trying to get it down. Maybe the short luff could be loosely
attached to the mast by toggled parrels in a couple places too, just
to help prevent that sort of thing from happening.
-- johannes
--- In bolger@y..., dickpilz@g... wrote:
> Johannes,
>
> The things about the Solent that appeal to me are: The low tech,
> works with a sprit boom, low CE, shorter spars when struck(nothing
> sticks out whether rowing or trailering) or to raise. (The original
> rig had to have the sail semi-permanently laced to the mast and use
> vertical reefing.) Reefing is of less concern than dousing the main
> sail at once. I'm near the Columbia River Gorge and gusts can be
> surprising. Sprit-boomed sails are very popular in the Gorge...
Also,
> river-cruising past tree-breaks can bring a sudden increase in
breeze.
>
> The BW mast is stepped right at the forward end of the off-
> centerboard trunk, so shifting its position would be awkward
without
> re-figuring frames and braces. Having that jib is a nice option,
too.
>
> There are no "best" solutions, just ones we can work with.
>
Johannes,
The things about the Solent that appeal to me are: The low tech,
works with a sprit boom, low CE, shorter spars when struck(nothing
sticks out whether rowing or trailering) or to raise. (The original
rig had to have the sail semi-permanently laced to the mast and use
vertical reefing.) Reefing is of less concern than dousing the main
sail at once. I'm near the Columbia River Gorge and gusts can be
surprising. Sprit-boomed sails are very popular in the Gorge... Also,
river-cruising past tree-breaks can bring a sudden increase in breeze.
The BW mast is stepped right at the forward end of the off-
centerboard trunk, so shifting its position would be awkward without
re-figuring frames and braces. Having that jib is a nice option, too.
There are no "best" solutions, just ones we can work with.
Dick
The things about the Solent that appeal to me are: The low tech,
works with a sprit boom, low CE, shorter spars when struck(nothing
sticks out whether rowing or trailering) or to raise. (The original
rig had to have the sail semi-permanently laced to the mast and use
vertical reefing.) Reefing is of less concern than dousing the main
sail at once. I'm near the Columbia River Gorge and gusts can be
surprising. Sprit-boomed sails are very popular in the Gorge... Also,
river-cruising past tree-breaks can bring a sudden increase in breeze.
The BW mast is stepped right at the forward end of the off-
centerboard trunk, so shifting its position would be awkward without
re-figuring frames and braces. Having that jib is a nice option, too.
There are no "best" solutions, just ones we can work with.
Dick
--- In bolger@y..., "johannes gustafsson" <boathead5@y...> wrote:
> Dick,
> The solent lug rig seems like a low-tech sister to the sliding
> gunter, without the sliding feature. One nice thing about that is
> when you do put in a reef, inconvenient (and dangerous--if you're
out
> there in rough conditions) as it might be, you're also reducing the
> windage aloft. Doesn't the alternative rig for Birdwatcher also
> feature a jib with the solent lug mainsail? I've seen sail plans
for
> small boats that include a jib with a high peaked standing lug (the
> solent lug is the ultimate high-peaked standing lug), but never
with
> a balanced lug. Probably the portion of the boom ahead of the mast
> would foul the jibsheets when tacking. The solent lug with jib
would
> probably have a lower CE than a single balanced lug sail of similar
> area would, which might be important to a boat like Birdwatcher.
And
> the fore-and-aft CE position might be different too, without moving
> the mast. It would be easy to work those things out on paper, of
> course, if someone wanted to deviate from the sailplans as drawn.
> I'm not sure everyone would agree with JB though that the balanced
> lug is "easier handling, (esp. with lazyjacks)." From what others
> have said (ask Chuck) hoisting and striking can get pretty
> interesting in a good breeze, and lazyjacks don't help very much
> because the yard assumes a vertical head-down orientation during
the
> process. The self-vanging feature of the balanced lug is a plus,
to
> be sure, which the sprit boom of the original Birdwatcher rig also
> provides.
> -- johannes
>
> --- In bolger@y..., jmbell@m... wrote:
> > I've never heard from anyone who built one of these who thought
it
> > was the best solution. It's supposedly a mess to reef while
> underway.
> > The only thing I can see going for it is that it make for shorter
> > spars for trailering.
> >
> > On Birdwatcher, a better choice for a larger rig would be a
> balanced
> > lug. That way you get shorter spars of the solent lug, plus you
get
> > the advantage of easier handling (esp. with lazy jacks) and a
lower
> > sail plan. The balanced lug is a very docile rig as well with
lower
> > sheeting forces for a given size and soft jibes.
> >
Dick,
The solent lug rig seems like a low-tech sister to the sliding
gunter, without the sliding feature. One nice thing about that is
when you do put in a reef, inconvenient (and dangerous--if you're out
there in rough conditions) as it might be, you're also reducing the
windage aloft. Doesn't the alternative rig for Birdwatcher also
feature a jib with the solent lug mainsail? I've seen sail plans for
small boats that include a jib with a high peaked standing lug (the
solent lug is the ultimate high-peaked standing lug), but never with
a balanced lug. Probably the portion of the boom ahead of the mast
would foul the jibsheets when tacking. The solent lug with jib would
probably have a lower CE than a single balanced lug sail of similar
area would, which might be important to a boat like Birdwatcher. And
the fore-and-aft CE position might be different too, without moving
the mast. It would be easy to work those things out on paper, of
course, if someone wanted to deviate from the sailplans as drawn.
I'm not sure everyone would agree with JB though that the balanced
lug is "easier handling, (esp. with lazyjacks)." From what others
have said (ask Chuck) hoisting and striking can get pretty
interesting in a good breeze, and lazyjacks don't help very much
because the yard assumes a vertical head-down orientation during the
process. The self-vanging feature of the balanced lug is a plus, to
be sure, which the sprit boom of the original Birdwatcher rig also
provides.
-- johannes
The solent lug rig seems like a low-tech sister to the sliding
gunter, without the sliding feature. One nice thing about that is
when you do put in a reef, inconvenient (and dangerous--if you're out
there in rough conditions) as it might be, you're also reducing the
windage aloft. Doesn't the alternative rig for Birdwatcher also
feature a jib with the solent lug mainsail? I've seen sail plans for
small boats that include a jib with a high peaked standing lug (the
solent lug is the ultimate high-peaked standing lug), but never with
a balanced lug. Probably the portion of the boom ahead of the mast
would foul the jibsheets when tacking. The solent lug with jib would
probably have a lower CE than a single balanced lug sail of similar
area would, which might be important to a boat like Birdwatcher. And
the fore-and-aft CE position might be different too, without moving
the mast. It would be easy to work those things out on paper, of
course, if someone wanted to deviate from the sailplans as drawn.
I'm not sure everyone would agree with JB though that the balanced
lug is "easier handling, (esp. with lazyjacks)." From what others
have said (ask Chuck) hoisting and striking can get pretty
interesting in a good breeze, and lazyjacks don't help very much
because the yard assumes a vertical head-down orientation during the
process. The self-vanging feature of the balanced lug is a plus, to
be sure, which the sprit boom of the original Birdwatcher rig also
provides.
-- johannes
--- In bolger@y..., jmbell@m... wrote:
> I've never heard from anyone who built one of these who thought it
> was the best solution. It's supposedly a mess to reef while
underway.
> The only thing I can see going for it is that it make for shorter
> spars for trailering.
>
> On Birdwatcher, a better choice for a larger rig would be a
balanced
> lug. That way you get shorter spars of the solent lug, plus you get
> the advantage of easier handling (esp. with lazy jacks) and a lower
> sail plan. The balanced lug is a very docile rig as well with lower
> sheeting forces for a given size and soft jibes.
>
> On Birdwatcher, a better choice for a larger rig would be abalanced lug.
It would be interesting to ask PCB why he didn't use the balanced lug
for the bigger rig. Perhaps the mast would have to be moved.
Peter
I've never heard from anyone who built one of these who thought it
was the best solution. It's supposedly a mess to reef while underway.
The only thing I can see going for it is that it make for shorter
spars for trailering.
On Birdwatcher, a better choice for a larger rig would be a balanced
lug. That way you get shorter spars of the solent lug, plus you get
the advantage of easier handling (esp. with lazy jacks) and a lower
sail plan. The balanced lug is a very docile rig as well with lower
sheeting forces for a given size and soft jibes.
was the best solution. It's supposedly a mess to reef while underway.
The only thing I can see going for it is that it make for shorter
spars for trailering.
On Birdwatcher, a better choice for a larger rig would be a balanced
lug. That way you get shorter spars of the solent lug, plus you get
the advantage of easier handling (esp. with lazy jacks) and a lower
sail plan. The balanced lug is a very docile rig as well with lower
sheeting forces for a given size and soft jibes.
--- In bolger@y..., dickpilz@g... wrote:
> The advantages are: Shorter Mast, Bigger Sail. The BW Solent Lug
uses
> the same sprit boom, a shortened mast and the lug yard extending
the
> height of the sail plan. Lower the halyard of the yard and the sail
> comes down right away. No track or sail ties to hang up on the mast.
> It was primarily a rig for portability, too.
>
> For an in-depth discussion of the why, how and what, I
recommend "103
> Small Boat Rigs" by Philip C. Bolger
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., kayaker37@h... wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone explain the Solent Lug rig? What advantages does this
> have
> > over the Sharpie Sprit Sail?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
>
> Enjoy,
> Dick
The advantages are: Shorter Mast, Bigger Sail. The BW Solent Lug uses
the same sprit boom, a shortened mast and the lug yard extending the
height of the sail plan. Lower the halyard of the yard and the sail
comes down right away. No track or sail ties to hang up on the mast.
It was primarily a rig for portability, too.
For an in-depth discussion of the why, how and what, I recommend "103
Small Boat Rigs" by Philip C. Bolger
the same sprit boom, a shortened mast and the lug yard extending the
height of the sail plan. Lower the halyard of the yard and the sail
comes down right away. No track or sail ties to hang up on the mast.
It was primarily a rig for portability, too.
For an in-depth discussion of the why, how and what, I recommend "103
Small Boat Rigs" by Philip C. Bolger
--- In bolger@y..., kayaker37@h... wrote:
>
> Can anyone explain the Solent Lug rig? What advantages does this
have
> over the Sharpie Sprit Sail?
>
> Thanks in advance.
Enjoy,
Dick
Can anyone explain the Solent Lug rig? What advantages does this have
over the Sharpie Sprit Sail?
Thanks in advance.
over the Sharpie Sprit Sail?
Thanks in advance.