Re: Index: second thoughts
I wasn't really imagining that we should get into the labor-intensive
(and possibly unlawful) business of scanning and uploading magazine
articles -- but more that we should create a "Mother of All Bolger
Links." That is, annotate an index of Bolger designs with links to
whatever could be found about each boat on the web -- builder's
sites, photos, sailing stories, even links to specific informative
Bolger Newsgroup messages.
We could also have a commentary section where people could add
notes like, "This one appears in BWAOM, on page 145," or "See article
in October 2000 MAIB," or "Plans cost $200 in 1997" etc. . . . All
of this could be uploaded as a text file to our Files area -- which
would allow each of us to download it, further annotate it, and
upload a new iteration.
Anyway -- big dreams. It would be a fun collaborative project to
be assembled over time, at our leisure. Hell, then we could DONATE it
to PCB as the basis for his own online catalog . . .
All best,
Garth
(and possibly unlawful) business of scanning and uploading magazine
articles -- but more that we should create a "Mother of All Bolger
Links." That is, annotate an index of Bolger designs with links to
whatever could be found about each boat on the web -- builder's
sites, photos, sailing stories, even links to specific informative
Bolger Newsgroup messages.
We could also have a commentary section where people could add
notes like, "This one appears in BWAOM, on page 145," or "See article
in October 2000 MAIB," or "Plans cost $200 in 1997" etc. . . . All
of this could be uploaded as a text file to our Files area -- which
would allow each of us to download it, further annotate it, and
upload a new iteration.
Anyway -- big dreams. It would be a fun collaborative project to
be assembled over time, at our leisure. Hell, then we could DONATE it
to PCB as the basis for his own online catalog . . .
All best,
Garth
I agree with the objective... On the other hand, the
reason we have such books as "Boats With an Open Mind"
is because not everyone caught the earlier
publications. I know that I had seen a significant
portion of that material in print first. If all that
material hits the web, why would a book be necesary,
for that mater why reprint the old ones, which I would
like to see. Not all his designs make it into book
form, and that might be an area open to discusion.
---brucehallman@...wrote:
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--- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:<BR>
and earlier Garth and David wrote that what is needed
in addition to<BR>
and index, is "the website that Phil has never
got around to doing" <BR>
showing perhaps linedrawings and links to other sites
and photos for <BR>
many of his designs.<BR>
<BR>
I know that I have lots of gaps in my collection of
MAIB and SBJ, and <BR>
would very much love to have access to digitized
copies of these <BR>
articles. The process of digitizing/OCR/image
processing & HTMLizing <BR>
for the Birdwatcher article I just put up took about
15 minutes. <BR>
<a
href="http://www.hallman.org/bolger/birdwatcher.htm">http://www.hallman.org/bolger/birdwatcher.htm</a>
There is the question <BR>
of copyright and fair use and alot matters if Phil
Bolger and <BR>
Friends, Bob Hicks, and I don't know who owns the
right to the old <BR>
SBJ articles, which I recall were sold. If
someone were to ask <BR>
nicely I bet we could get permission, and even
without, limited <BR>
quoting for education purposes has lots of leeway
under the fair use <BR>
argument. <BR>
<BR>
Personally, I think Phil Bolger is such a genius that
his ideas <BR>
deserve to be displayed for others to enjoy and to
think about. Not <BR>
to mention, that a web based "annotated"
index of his designs can <BR>
serve to channel customers to their business, and
hopefull help them <BR>
sell more of their plans.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts,
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reason we have such books as "Boats With an Open Mind"
is because not everyone caught the earlier
publications. I know that I had seen a significant
portion of that material in print first. If all that
material hits the web, why would a book be necesary,
for that mater why reprint the old ones, which I would
like to see. Not all his designs make it into book
form, and that might be an area open to discusion.
---brucehallman@...wrote:
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--- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:<BR>
> There seems little point in reinventing thewheel. <BR>
and earlier Garth and David wrote that what is needed
in addition to<BR>
and index, is "the website that Phil has never
got around to doing" <BR>
showing perhaps linedrawings and links to other sites
and photos for <BR>
many of his designs.<BR>
<BR>
I know that I have lots of gaps in my collection of
MAIB and SBJ, and <BR>
would very much love to have access to digitized
copies of these <BR>
articles. The process of digitizing/OCR/image
processing & HTMLizing <BR>
for the Birdwatcher article I just put up took about
15 minutes. <BR>
<a
href="http://www.hallman.org/bolger/birdwatcher.htm">http://www.hallman.org/bolger/birdwatcher.htm</a>
There is the question <BR>
of copyright and fair use and alot matters if Phil
Bolger and <BR>
Friends, Bob Hicks, and I don't know who owns the
right to the old <BR>
SBJ articles, which I recall were sold. If
someone were to ask <BR>
nicely I bet we could get permission, and even
without, limited <BR>
quoting for education purposes has lots of leeway
under the fair use <BR>
argument. <BR>
<BR>
Personally, I think Phil Bolger is such a genius that
his ideas <BR>
deserve to be displayed for others to enjoy and to
think about. Not <BR>
to mention, that a web based "annotated"
index of his designs can <BR>
serve to channel customers to their business, and
hopefull help them <BR>
sell more of their plans.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</tt>
<br>
<tt>
Bolger rules!!!<BR>
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging
dead horses<BR>
- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on
topic, and punctuate<BR>
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts,
snip all you like<BR>
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349<BR>
- Unsubscribe:
bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com</tt>
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--- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:
and index, is "the website that Phil has never got around to doing"
showing perhaps linedrawings and links to other sites and photos for
many of his designs.
I know that I have lots of gaps in my collection of MAIB and SBJ, and
would very much love to have access to digitized copies of these
articles. The process of digitizing/OCR/image processing & HTMLizing
for the Birdwatcher article I just put up took about 15 minutes.
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/birdwatcher.htmThere is the question
of copyright and fair use and alot matters if Phil Bolger and
Friends, Bob Hicks, and I don't know who owns the right to the old
SBJ articles, which I recall were sold. If someone were to ask
nicely I bet we could get permission, and even without, limited
quoting for education purposes has lots of leeway under the fair use
argument.
Personally, I think Phil Bolger is such a genius that his ideas
deserve to be displayed for others to enjoy and to think about. Not
to mention, that a web based "annotated" index of his designs can
serve to channel customers to their business, and hopefull help them
sell more of their plans.
> There seems little point in reinventing the wheel.and earlier Garth and David wrote that what is needed in addition to
and index, is "the website that Phil has never got around to doing"
showing perhaps linedrawings and links to other sites and photos for
many of his designs.
I know that I have lots of gaps in my collection of MAIB and SBJ, and
would very much love to have access to digitized copies of these
articles. The process of digitizing/OCR/image processing & HTMLizing
for the Birdwatcher article I just put up took about 15 minutes.
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/birdwatcher.htmThere is the question
of copyright and fair use and alot matters if Phil Bolger and
Friends, Bob Hicks, and I don't know who owns the right to the old
SBJ articles, which I recall were sold. If someone were to ask
nicely I bet we could get permission, and even without, limited
quoting for education purposes has lots of leeway under the fair use
argument.
Personally, I think Phil Bolger is such a genius that his ideas
deserve to be displayed for others to enjoy and to think about. Not
to mention, that a web based "annotated" index of his designs can
serve to channel customers to their business, and hopefull help them
sell more of their plans.
-Bob,
I ony own a limited number of issues of Small Boat Journal but I
believe some of the Phil Bolger plans found there eventully ended up
being re-published in Messing About In Boats.
Dave Thibodeau
davejthib@...-- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:
I ony own a limited number of issues of Small Boat Journal but I
believe some of the Phil Bolger plans found there eventully ended up
being re-published in Messing About In Boats.
Dave Thibodeau
davejthib@...-- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:
> There seems little point in reinventing the wheel. Dave Thibideau'ssecret:
> index is all one could want for MAIB. I was not able to access the
> index prepared by Roger V. Perhaps someone can let me into the
> it will not be opened by Netscape for some reason.Small
>
> The other part of this project was to include Bolger articles in
> Boat Journal. Is there an index for the Small Boat Journal articles?
> Bob Chamberland
The version I posted had some Microsoft-specific scurf in it, put
there by the conversion from spreadsheet to html. I just posted a
cleaner version, which hopefully displays as well in netscape as ie.
The link is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger2/files/Bolger%20On%20Design%20-%
20MAIB%20sorting.htm
(watch out for word wrap on the link!)
Roger
there by the conversion from spreadsheet to html. I just posted a
cleaner version, which hopefully displays as well in netscape as ie.
The link is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger2/files/Bolger%20On%20Design%20-%
20MAIB%20sorting.htm
(watch out for word wrap on the link!)
Roger
--- In bolger@y..., cha62759@t... wrote:
> There seems little point in reinventing the wheel. Dave Thibideau's
> index is all one could want for MAIB. I was not able to access the
> index prepared by Roger V. Perhaps someone can let me into the
secret:
> it will not be opened by Netscape for some reason.
>
> The other part of this project was to include Bolger articles in
Small
> Boat Journal. Is there an index for the Small Boat Journal articles?
> Bob Chamberland
There seems little point in reinventing the wheel. Dave Thibideau's
index is all one could want for MAIB. I was not able to access the
index prepared by Roger V. Perhaps someone can let me into the secret:
it will not be opened by Netscape for some reason.
The other part of this project was to include Bolger articles in Small
Boat Journal. Is there an index for the Small Boat Journal articles?
Bob Chamberland
index is all one could want for MAIB. I was not able to access the
index prepared by Roger V. Perhaps someone can let me into the secret:
it will not be opened by Netscape for some reason.
The other part of this project was to include Bolger articles in Small
Boat Journal. Is there an index for the Small Boat Journal articles?
Bob Chamberland