Re: [bolger] Bolger 31' folding schooner [5 Attachments]
Susanne,
attached are pictures of the launching. There should be 10 pictures in all.
Larry
Up in Hessel right now. Returning Monday.
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On Aug 11, 2015, at 8:00 PM,himis@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Garden City is a suburb of Detroit. West of Detroit.
Where are you coming from?
Larry
Garden City is a suburb of Detroit. West of Detroit.
Where are you coming from?
Larry
Susanne,
I will dig out the pictures I can find and send them.
Larry
I'd be interested in taking a look. Where is Garden City Mi?
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On Aug 11, 2015, at 6:06 AM,philbolger@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hello Larry.
Good to see one of these well used.35 years ?
Hard to argue with her builder...
And those who bothered to maintain this unusual boat.
Both Connoisseurs...
Any photos of her in the folding process ?
Of interest only second to her sailing.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Monday, August 10, 2015 8:14 PMSubject:[bolger] Bolger 31' folding schooner [5 Attachments]Hi sailors,
It is time to put my Bolger 31’ folding schooner up for sale.The boat was built near Toledo Ohio and completed in 1980. It was donated to a sail club I belong to in 1996 and I bought off the club that year.
For being 35 years old I consider the boat in good condition. The sails are in real good condition. It comes with a trailer.
I’m asking $1500.00 or best offer. I’m open to a trade up or down. I’m interested in a 22 foot or up sailboat with a center board and trailer, but I’m open to listen to what you have.
The boat is located in Garden City Michigan.
Larry Willis
Hello Larry.
Good to see one of these well used.
Good to see one of these well used.
35 years ?
Hard to argue with her builder...
And those who bothered to maintain this unusual boat.
Both Connoisseurs...
Any photos of her in the folding process ?
Of interest only second to her sailing.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Hard to argue with her builder...
And those who bothered to maintain this unusual boat.
Both Connoisseurs...
Any photos of her in the folding process ?
Of interest only second to her sailing.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Monday, August 10, 2015 8:14 PM
Subject:[bolger] Bolger 31' folding schooner [5
Attachments]
Hi sailors,
It is time to put my Bolger 31’ folding schooner up for sale.The boat was built near Toledo Ohio and completed in 1980. It was donated to a sail club I belong to in 1996 and I bought off the club that year.
For being 35 years old I consider the boat in good condition. The sails are in real good condition. It comes with a trailer.
I’m asking $1500.00 or best offer. I’m open to a trade up or down. I’m interested in a 22 foot or up sailboat with a center board and trailer, but I’m open to listen to what you have.
The boat is located in Garden City Michigan.
Larry Willis
Hi sailors,
It is time to put my Bolger 31’ folding schooner up for sale.The boat was built near Toledo Ohio and completed in 1980. It was donated to a sail club I belong to in 1996 and I bought off the club that year.
For being 35 years old I consider the boat in good condition. The sails are in real good condition. It comes with a trailer.
I’m asking $1500.00 or best offer. I’m open to a trade up or down. I’m interested in a 22 foot or up sailboat with a center board and trailer, but I’m open to listen to what you have.
The boat is located in Garden City Michigan.
Larry Willis
My Lily does about 4 knots with a 70lb thrust salt water MinnKota. Year before last, there was a man
at St Michaels, MSCF, who had a plan for rebuilding the Props. I think he actually mounted new
blades. You might try the electric boat folks. If you join they do have a list. I decided that
modifying the prop was beyond my skill as I haven't been able to rebalance the ones I have chewed up
on oyster shells.
Chewed up props create a lot of vibration in the motor.
I suspect that this motor would probably drive a Micro at about the same speed but hull shape is the
limiting factor. Karl Stambaugh said he got 5+ knts (GPS) from his 65lb thrust Motor Guide, built
into the rudder of his Catbird 24, crossing the Chesapeake.
My neighbor put a oversize prop on his trolling motor and fried the motor before he realized it. All
this adds up to my not fooling with a fairly expensive motor. Clyde
richard@...wrote:
at St Michaels, MSCF, who had a plan for rebuilding the Props. I think he actually mounted new
blades. You might try the electric boat folks. If you join they do have a list. I decided that
modifying the prop was beyond my skill as I haven't been able to rebalance the ones I have chewed up
on oyster shells.
Chewed up props create a lot of vibration in the motor.
I suspect that this motor would probably drive a Micro at about the same speed but hull shape is the
limiting factor. Karl Stambaugh said he got 5+ knts (GPS) from his 65lb thrust Motor Guide, built
into the rudder of his Catbird 24, crossing the Chesapeake.
My neighbor put a oversize prop on his trolling motor and fried the motor before he realized it. All
this adds up to my not fooling with a fairly expensive motor. Clyde
richard@...wrote:
> I've used both 28lb and 50lb thrust motors on sailboats, prams,
> pirogues, and metal semi-v planing hulls.
John-
Somebody over on the Electric Boats Club (wish they'd make it a mailing
list) just posted some messages and pictures about converting a model
airplane propeller to fit a trolling motor. Claimed they added two knots to
the speed of their skiff!
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/electricboats
The gist of it is that you have to find a _big_ model airplane propeller,
1/4 or 1/3 scale! some recommended prop are the "master Airscrew" (TM) 24"
X 6" and 24" X 8" composite (Black) propellers (Minn Kota props are 4"
pitch). Then bore it out, cut a slot for the shear pin, then cut down its
diameter until you're not overloading the motor. One part I disagree with
is that the guy says to check the current that the motor draws with the
stock prop, and then cut down the new prop 'til you get the same amperage.
On a light, slippery boat you might be so underpropped that the motor
doesn't draw its full rated amperage, so I'd say try to match the _rated_
amperage for best performance. But DO NOT operate the motor for very long
if it's drawing _more_ current than it's rated for!
Somebody over on the Electric Boats Club (wish they'd make it a mailing
list) just posted some messages and pictures about converting a model
airplane propeller to fit a trolling motor. Claimed they added two knots to
the speed of their skiff!
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/electricboats
The gist of it is that you have to find a _big_ model airplane propeller,
1/4 or 1/3 scale! some recommended prop are the "master Airscrew" (TM) 24"
X 6" and 24" X 8" composite (Black) propellers (Minn Kota props are 4"
pitch). Then bore it out, cut a slot for the shear pin, then cut down its
diameter until you're not overloading the motor. One part I disagree with
is that the guy says to check the current that the motor draws with the
stock prop, and then cut down the new prop 'til you get the same amperage.
On a light, slippery boat you might be so underpropped that the motor
doesn't draw its full rated amperage, so I'd say try to match the _rated_
amperage for best performance. But DO NOT operate the motor for very long
if it's drawing _more_ current than it's rated for!
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:40:25 -0000, JB wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., stephen@p... wrote:
> >
> > With 2 passengers, Lily probably displaces about 1200 pounds, and
> the
> > above combination was able to push the boat at a steady 3.8 knots
> on
> > full throttle. PCB thought it could do better with a different
> > propellor, as the stock propellor was designed to push a heavy bass
> > boat at slower (i.e. trolling) speed.
>
>
> The dearth of higher pitched props for trolling motors for trolling
> motors is often mentioned by people trying to make low cost electric
> boats. Has anyone ever found something better?
--
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Michalak tried this. It can be done, but there are a couple of issues.
One, you can't change the angle of attach at the root of the blade.
Two, a properly designed high pitch prop wouldn't have same length of
blades as the "high thrust", low pitch prop.
Still, might be worth testing out.
Anybody with know the proper math to calculate the appropriate pitch?
I guess you would have to know the rpm's.
(interesting sites)
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Forest/2727/trailersubweb/trailer_ou
tboard.html
http://www.johnsonoutdoors.com/motors/minnkota/faqminn.html
http://www.bassfishingnetwork.com/electric_boats/messages/2004.shtml
Nobody agrees on rpm, though the minnkota site says "Our trolling
motors have props designed for maximum acceleration. When you hit the
power, the boat responds immediately. This also allows you to hold
the boat in high wind conditions. Top speed with our motors and props
is about 5mph. Small boats will reach this speed with most of our
motors. "
Interesting.
One, you can't change the angle of attach at the root of the blade.
Two, a properly designed high pitch prop wouldn't have same length of
blades as the "high thrust", low pitch prop.
Still, might be worth testing out.
Anybody with know the proper math to calculate the appropriate pitch?
I guess you would have to know the rpm's.
(interesting sites)
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Forest/2727/trailersubweb/trailer_ou
tboard.html
http://www.johnsonoutdoors.com/motors/minnkota/faqminn.html
http://www.bassfishingnetwork.com/electric_boats/messages/2004.shtml
Nobody agrees on rpm, though the minnkota site says "Our trolling
motors have props designed for maximum acceleration. When you hit the
power, the boat responds immediately. This also allows you to hold
the boat in high wind conditions. Top speed with our motors and props
is about 5mph. Small boats will reach this speed with most of our
motors. "
Interesting.
--- In bolger@y..., "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@d...> wrote:
> These props are thermoplastic are they not? Why couldn't someone
take one of them and heat them up and bend them to increase the
pitch? You must have tried this, Richard.
>
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: richard@s...
> To: bolger@y...
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:13 Bonham
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Bolger 31' folding schooner
>
>
> I've used both 28lb and 50lb thrust motors on sailboats, prams,
> pirogues, and metal semi-v planing hulls.
>
> They all move at about the same speed, 2.5mph
>
> This is the pitch that is on the prop. I've often considered
having a
> prop specialy made, "geared" as it were, for just under hull
speed on
> my sailboat. The 50lb thrust motor is almost 1hp, and should be
able
> to push the boat 4 knots or so...
>
> --- In bolger@y..., stephen@p... wrote:
> > I don't know the answer, but the following info may help.
> > Last year, WaterCraft magazine (a British publication) ran a
two-
> part
> > article by PCB on Lily, the electric launch he and Susan
> Altenburger
> > developed. They used an off-the-shelf 24-volt Minn-Kota motor
with
> > 65 lbs of thrust, powered by six twelve-volt batteries weighing
> over
> > three hundred pounds total. (That's three pairs of batteries,
at
> 24
> > volts for each pair.)
> >
> > With 2 passengers, Lily probably displaces about 1200 pounds,
and
> the
> > above combination was able to push the boat at a steady 3.8
knots
> on
> > full throttle. PCB thought it could do better with a different
> > propellor, as the stock propellor was designed to push a heavy
bass
> > boat at slower (i.e. trolling) speed.
> >
> > Steve Paskey
> >
> > --- In bolger@y..., boscowillis@a... wrote:
> > > I own a Bolger 31' folding schooner. I bought it, I didn't
build
> > it. I'm looking to power it by motor or engine. I would prefer
a
> > electric motor. Does anyone have information on the size motor
or
> > engine that I would need?
> > >
> > > Larry Willis
>
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I've used both 28lb and 50lb thrust motors on sailboats, prams,
pirogues, and metal semi-v planing hulls.
They all move at about the same speed, 2.5mph
This is the pitch that is on the prop. I've often considered having a
prop specialy made, "geared" as it were, for just under hull speed on
my sailboat. The 50lb thrust motor is almost 1hp, and should be able
to push the boat 4 knots or so...
pirogues, and metal semi-v planing hulls.
They all move at about the same speed, 2.5mph
This is the pitch that is on the prop. I've often considered having a
prop specialy made, "geared" as it were, for just under hull speed on
my sailboat. The 50lb thrust motor is almost 1hp, and should be able
to push the boat 4 knots or so...
--- In bolger@y..., stephen@p... wrote:
> I don't know the answer, but the following info may help.
> Last year, WaterCraft magazine (a British publication) ran a two-
part
> article by PCB on Lily, the electric launch he and Susan
Altenburger
> developed. They used an off-the-shelf 24-volt Minn-Kota motor with
> 65 lbs of thrust, powered by six twelve-volt batteries weighing
over
> three hundred pounds total. (That's three pairs of batteries, at
24
> volts for each pair.)
>
> With 2 passengers, Lily probably displaces about 1200 pounds, and
the
> above combination was able to push the boat at a steady 3.8 knots
on
> full throttle. PCB thought it could do better with a different
> propellor, as the stock propellor was designed to push a heavy bass
> boat at slower (i.e. trolling) speed.
>
> Steve Paskey
>
> --- In bolger@y..., boscowillis@a... wrote:
> > I own a Bolger 31' folding schooner. I bought it, I didn't build
> it. I'm looking to power it by motor or engine. I would prefer a
> electric motor. Does anyone have information on the size motor or
> engine that I would need?
> >
> > Larry Willis
--- In bolger@y..., stephen@p... wrote:
motors is often mentioned by people trying to make low cost electric
boats. Has anyone ever found something better?
JB
>the
> With 2 passengers, Lily probably displaces about 1200 pounds, and
> above combination was able to push the boat at a steady 3.8 knotson
> full throttle. PCB thought it could do better with a differentThe dearth of higher pitched props for trolling motors for trolling
> propellor, as the stock propellor was designed to push a heavy bass
> boat at slower (i.e. trolling) speed.
motors is often mentioned by people trying to make low cost electric
boats. Has anyone ever found something better?
JB
I don't know the answer, but the following info may help.
Last year, WaterCraft magazine (a British publication) ran a two-part
article by PCB on Lily, the electric launch he and Susan Altenburger
developed. They used an off-the-shelf 24-volt Minn-Kota motor with
65 lbs of thrust, powered by six twelve-volt batteries weighing over
three hundred pounds total. (That's three pairs of batteries, at 24
volts for each pair.)
With 2 passengers, Lily probably displaces about 1200 pounds, and the
above combination was able to push the boat at a steady 3.8 knots on
full throttle. PCB thought it could do better with a different
propellor, as the stock propellor was designed to push a heavy bass
boat at slower (i.e. trolling) speed.
Steve Paskey
Last year, WaterCraft magazine (a British publication) ran a two-part
article by PCB on Lily, the electric launch he and Susan Altenburger
developed. They used an off-the-shelf 24-volt Minn-Kota motor with
65 lbs of thrust, powered by six twelve-volt batteries weighing over
three hundred pounds total. (That's three pairs of batteries, at 24
volts for each pair.)
With 2 passengers, Lily probably displaces about 1200 pounds, and the
above combination was able to push the boat at a steady 3.8 knots on
full throttle. PCB thought it could do better with a different
propellor, as the stock propellor was designed to push a heavy bass
boat at slower (i.e. trolling) speed.
Steve Paskey
--- In bolger@y..., boscowillis@a... wrote:
> I own a Bolger 31' folding schooner. I bought it, I didn't build
it. I'm looking to power it by motor or engine. I would prefer a
electric motor. Does anyone have information on the size motor or
engine that I would need?
>
> Larry Willis
I was thinking that if you knew the right shape, you could make a form our of aluminum or something durable (even wood) then place the prop on the form, and pop it in the oven for a few minutes, remove, let cool and serve. At the right heat and time combination, the prop would deflect into the right shape, but not melt.
Chuck
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From:richard@...
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 4:50 Bonham
Subject: [bolger] Re: Bolger 31' folding schooner
Michalak tried this. It can be done, but there are a couple of issues.
One, you can't change the angle of attach at the root of the blade.
Two, a properly designed high pitch prop wouldn't have same length of
blades as the "high thrust", low pitch prop.
Still, might be worth testing out.
Anybody with know the proper math to calculate the appropriate pitch?
I guess you would have to know the rpm's.
(interesting sites)
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Forest/2727/trailersubweb/trailer_ou
tboard.html
http://www.johnsonoutdoors.com/motors/minnkota/faqminn.html
http://www.bassfishingnetwork.com/electric_boats/messages/2004.shtml
Nobody agrees on rpm, though the minnkota site says "Our trolling
motors have props designed for maximum acceleration. When you hit the
power, the boat responds immediately. This also allows you to hold
the boat in high wind conditions. Top speed with our motors and props
is about 5mph. Small boats will reach this speed with most of our
motors. "
Interesting.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
These props are thermoplastic are they not? Why couldn't someone take one of them and heat them up and bend them to increase the pitch? You must have tried this, Richard.
Chuck
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From:richard@...
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:13 Bonham
Subject: [bolger] Re: Bolger 31' folding schooner
I've used both 28lb and 50lb thrust motors on sailboats, prams,
pirogues, and metal semi-v planing hulls.
They all move at about the same speed, 2.5mph
This is the pitch that is on the prop. I've often considered having a
prop specialy made, "geared" as it were, for just under hull speed on
my sailboat. The 50lb thrust motor is almost 1hp, and should be able
to push the boat 4 knots or so...
--- In bolger@y..., stephen@p... wrote:
> I don't know the answer, but the following info may help.
> Last year, WaterCraft magazine (a British publication) ran a two-
part
> article by PCB on Lily, the electric launch he and Susan
Altenburger
> developed. They used an off-the-shelf 24-volt Minn-Kota motor with
> 65 lbs of thrust, powered by six twelve-volt batteries weighing
over
> three hundred pounds total. (That's three pairs of batteries, at
24
> volts for each pair.)
>
> With 2 passengers, Lily probably displaces about 1200 pounds, and
the
> above combination was able to push the boat at a steady 3.8 knots
on
> full throttle. PCB thought it could do better with a different
> propellor, as the stock propellor was designed to push a heavy bass
> boat at slower (i.e. trolling) speed.
>
> Steve Paskey
>
> --- In bolger@y..., boscowillis@a... wrote:
> > I own a Bolger 31' folding schooner. I bought it, I didn't build
> it. I'm looking to power it by motor or engine. I would prefer a
> electric motor. Does anyone have information on the size motor or
> engine that I would need?
> >
> > Larry Willis
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I own a Bolger 31' folding schooner. I bought it, I didn't build it.
I'm looking to power it by motor or engine. I would prefer a electric
motor. Does anyone have information on the size motor or engine that
I would need?
Larry Willis
I'm looking to power it by motor or engine. I would prefer a electric
motor. Does anyone have information on the size motor or engine that
I would need?
Larry Willis