RE: [bolger] Sailrite sewing machine

Hi Jamie,
I made my Micro sails last winter on my mom's old Japanese cast-iron Singer
replica from the mid 50's; it worked like a champ on the 4- and 6-oz cloth,
including reef points, etc. I had it tuned up first, and the repair guy
swapped the foot pedal. The 'new' (vintage 1965) pedal was very touchy -
like yours, full speed ahead or dead in the water. Since I can't leave
anything alone, I opened it up and found there is a 'full-on' position at
the end of the range, a straight-thru connection, to avoid running all that
current thru the rheostat all the time. The springs that control the contact
with the slider of the rheostat get tired and need to be ajusted so you
don't just skip the rheostat's variable range and jump right to full-on.
It's not hard to figure out once you open up the pedal, just be careful when
test-driving with the cover off. Or just get a 'new' pedal, they're pretty
interchangeable and cheap.
My local library had some excellent old books on general sewing machine
repair and tune-up, appears many of the old machines are very similar, saw
pictures of Sears and monkey ward machines that are identical to mine
internally; they tell you how to do it all if you have the patience. It
ain't rocket surgery, just takes time; I tuned my machine after doing my
sails (it needed it) and it runs well again..... also they tell you all
about setting tension and correctly matching needles to thread, which I
think is the crucial detail in getting a machine to run well with all
weights of thread. I'm still learning but those books helped me ALOT.
I, too, would love a Sailrite machine, but can't justify the expense....
yet. I've had 4 older machines over the years, all freebies; newest is my
mom's (from 1955, in striking 'Miami Vice' colors!), and is my first
zig-zag, oldest is over 100 years old! Those heavy old machines were built
to last, all but mom's have outlived their original owners, and will
probably outlast me. But if you're patient, you can do alot with them for
very little money. I happen to have a fetish for old machinery, so for me
that's part of the sport......

Paul L.

> My machine has a hair trigger clutch, although I think that's just because
> it's old.

> Also try
> it out, if you can, with the thread you plan to use in your sail -- some
> threads run more easily,

I build a sailmaking plotter and these guys are customers of mine, so
you should know I'm biased. But, my own sailmaking is purely amateur.

I was at Sailrite in Indiana earlier this year - a really cool
operation and good people. I saw about 2000(!) Ultrafeeds in
inventory and bought one. Very nice. Essentially, it's a very stout
Chinese machine that they "class up". They add a walking foot that
pulls the work from both sides. Since amateurs tend to drag their
projects across a table, or whatever, it helps a lot. In short, if
you've got the cash, you won't be unhappy at all with the machine.

(I looked for years for a cheap, used, long-arm zig-zag - they don't
exist.)

I also have a old Pfaff 238 - very nice little machine. Pretty stout.
Can't get parts, apparently, so I see an "as-is" sale in its future
when its main drive belt breaks.

Gregg Carlson

--- In bolger@y..., "Jeff Blunck" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> Agreed. I purchased a sewing machine several years ago to build
> went to sewing store and told them what I wanted. Since I needed
> through 6 layers of tarp, they demonstrated a simple machine with
> stitch patterns including zigzag that went through 8 layers of
> material about 3/16" thick. Sold me on the power and only $169 US.
>
> > The answer from me would have to be no.
> >
> > I did used to design for a company that made gore-tex
> > outerware, and during younger years used to sew my own
> > climbing equipment slings and such, I have installed
> > reefing points using just the cheappest household
> > sewing machine. Here in toronto there is a bit of a
> > clothing industry, enough so that there are a few
> > industrial sewing supply houses. I know that sail
> > making is a pretty specific business, none the less,
> > industrial quality sewing machines are cheap in the
> > second hand market, and even new they are about half
> > the price of the Sailrite units. We followed
> > Sailrite's advice and just siliconed our standard
> > sears unit, and it worked fine for the reefing point
> > job.
> >
> > --- mkstocks@b... wrote:
> > Anybody have any experiences with the Sailrite
> > Ultrafeed LSZ-1, with 
> > Upgrade Package? I am considering investing in
> > one.

I used a Necchi home unit to make my sail (100 sq ft). It worked
fine, but slipped a lot with the 4 oz cloth. I also partially burnt
out the motor so that when I next used it for a big project (my
bimini top), I had to let it cool down after the long seams. I'll
probably buy a new motor this year.

Frank

--- In bolger@y..., mkstocks@b... wrote:
> Hi -
>
> Anybody have any experiences with the Sailrite Ultrafeed LSZ-1,
with
> Upgrade Package? I am considering investing in one.
>
>
http://secure.sailrite.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=687&variation=&aitem=1&m
item=4
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mike

I have owned the Sailrite Yachtsman, the Ultrafeed and the Ultrafeed Zig-Zag. All are excellent machines. The Ultrafeed machines will sew thicker fabrics. I recently sold all of them and using a very old Kenmore cast iron zig-zag machine because I no longer need heavy thicknesses.
Ken Abrahams

----- Original Message -----
From:mkstocks@...
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:20 AM
Subject: [bolger] Sailrite sewing machine

Hi -

Anybody have any experiences with the Sailrite Ultrafeed LSZ-1, with
Upgrade Package? I am considering investing in one.

http://secure.sailrite.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=687&variation=&aitem=1&m
item=4

Thanks.

Mike

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Hi Mike

Before buying my LSZ1 I had sewn sails with an old domestic machine. The old
iron head weighs about the same as the LSZ1 -in other words it tends to stay
where you put it. That machine is my comparison baseline.

I looked for a long time for an industrial machine prior to buying the LSZ1
without finding anything competetive, either new or used. A lot of the
industrial machines will only do straight stitch.

The LSZ1 is much easier than the domestic machine to work with, completely
untroubled by material bulk or weight. For example, doing corner patches,
I've been sewing happily through 9 layers of medium weight dacron with six
layers of webbing. I'd say the heavy flywheel is worthing paying for - the
additional gearing down helps. I find the walking foot works really well -
instead of having to nurse the fabric through, I can let the machine take it
out of my hand, and concentrate better on where I'm sewing.

My 2c

Derek

I guess sails do fail out there. It is amazing how
few stiches will hold a falling climber! I know that
technicaly too many or too few stiches can damage
cloth or reduce the effectiveness of the seam. The
more imediate damage is to the ego. One just knows
that with a proper machine the result would have been
a lot better!

--- "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@...> wrote:

<HR>
<html><body>
<tt>
I was probably overenthusiastic when I bought my
machine. I've made 
backpacks and suchlike on my wife's old portable
Singer, but it took quite a 
toll -- the machine had to be serviced/repaired
frequently. When I decided 
to make a sail, I bought a used industrial Pfaff 138,
one of the machines 
mentioned in "The Sailmaker's
Apprentice". It's also common in
commercial 
sail lofts. It will pound right through as much
material as I can cram 
under the foot, without breathing hard. 
 
I found that when pushing the sail through the machine
it was difficult to 
keep it feeding smoothly so the stitches were more or
less the same size. I 
had the rolled up sail supported on tables front and
back, and even then the 
feed would slip. A walking foot would have
been very useful, although I 
expect it would still have needed help to move the two
12 foot sausages of 
sailcloth. 
 
My machine has a hair trigger clutch, although I think
that's just because 
it's old. However, it makes it harder to sew
smoothly, so if you look at 
used machines, get one that you can control easily at
slow speeds. Also try 
it out, if you can, with the thread you plan to use in
your sail -- some 
threads run more easily, and make the machine look
better, although they may 
not be suitable for sails (nylon, for example). 
 
Sailrite has been around quite a while, and I'm sure
their machines will do 
a great job. If I had the bucks, I would
probably have bought one. 
 
Good luck in your choice. 
 
Jamie Orr 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: thomas dalzell
[mailto:proaconstrictor@...] 
Sent: October 25, 2001 10:40 AM 
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [bolger] Sailrite sewing machine 
 
 
The answer from me would have to be no. 
 
I did used to design for a company that made
gore-tex 
outerware, and during younger years used to sew my
own 
climbing equipment slings and such, I have
installed 
reefing points using just the cheappest household 
sewing machine. Here in toronto there is a bit
of a 
clothing industry, enough so that there are a few 
industrial sewing supply houses. I know that
sail 
making is a pretty specific business, none the
less, 
industrial quality sewing machines are cheap in
the 
second hand market, and even new they are about
half 
the price of the Sailrite units. We followed 
Sailrite's advice and just siliconed our standard 
sears unit, and it worked fine for the reefing
point 
job. 
 
Just a few thoughts in case your use is expected to
be 
very infrequent. 
 
 
--- mkstocks@... wrote: 
 
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<tt> 
Hi - 
 
Anybody have any experiences with the Sailrite 
Ultrafeed LSZ-1, with 
Upgrade Package?  I am considering investing
in 
one. 
 
<a 
href="<a
href="http://secure.sailrite.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=687&variation=&aitem=1&m">http://secure.sailrite.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=687&variation=&aitem=1&m</a> 
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I was probably overenthusiastic when I bought my machine. I've made
backpacks and suchlike on my wife's old portable Singer, but it took quite a
toll -- the machine had to be serviced/repaired frequently. When I decided
to make a sail, I bought a used industrial Pfaff 138, one of the machines
mentioned in "The Sailmaker's Apprentice". It's also common in commercial
sail lofts. It will pound right through as much material as I can cram
under the foot, without breathing hard.

I found that when pushing the sail through the machine it was difficult to
keep it feeding smoothly so the stitches were more or less the same size. I
had the rolled up sail supported on tables front and back, and even then the
feed would slip. A walking foot would have been very useful, although I
expect it would still have needed help to move the two 12 foot sausages of
sailcloth.

My machine has a hair trigger clutch, although I think that's just because
it's old. However, it makes it harder to sew smoothly, so if you look at
used machines, get one that you can control easily at slow speeds. Also try
it out, if you can, with the thread you plan to use in your sail -- some
threads run more easily, and make the machine look better, although they may
not be suitable for sails (nylon, for example).

Sailrite has been around quite a while, and I'm sure their machines will do
a great job. If I had the bucks, I would probably have bought one.

Good luck in your choice.

Jamie Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: thomas dalzell [mailto:proaconstrictor@...]
Sent: October 25, 2001 10:40 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Sailrite sewing machine

The answer from me would have to be no.

I did used to design for a company that made gore-tex
outerware, and during younger years used to sew my own
climbing equipment slings and such, I have installed
reefing points using just the cheappest household
sewing machine. Here in toronto there is a bit of a
clothing industry, enough so that there are a few
industrial sewing supply houses. I know that sail
making is a pretty specific business, none the less,
industrial quality sewing machines are cheap in the
second hand market, and even new they are about half
the price of the Sailrite units. We followed
Sailrite's advice and just siliconed our standard
sears unit, and it worked fine for the reefing point
job.

Just a few thoughts in case your use is expected to be
very infrequent.

---mkstocks@...wrote:

<HR>
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<tt>
Hi - 
 
Anybody have any experiences with the Sailrite
Ultrafeed LSZ-1, with 
Upgrade Package? I am considering investing in
one. 
 
<a
href="http://secure.sailrite.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=687&variation=&aitem=1&m
">http://secure.sailrite.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=687&variation=&aitem
=1&m</a> 
item=4 
 
Thanks. 
 
Mike 
 
 
 
 
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Nor was I advocating not purchasing a SailRite. I just wanted to express my
experience. The walking foot would have a big advantage on large sails. My
experience is on a 100 sq ft sail. On a large one, your comment on having a
sensitive output hand is very true with a machine like I purchased. On
heavier material that is not slick like sail cloth such as Sunbrella, the
walking foot is not as big a deal and I purchased mine with the idea of
making cushion covers, etc.

Now if I could find the time to make those covers. I have only used mine
for the sail and weather cover on the boat. For what I have used it for, I
think I've spent a lot of money and labor. Probably would have been as well
off ordering from a sail maker and talking to my "mother in law". Well
maybe...... :>)

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas dalzell" <proaconstrictor@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Sailrite sewing machine

> Oops, I just noticed while reading Jeff's interesting
> comments that what I appeared to have said was don't
> buy it. I'm not that presumptuous. I ment I don't
> have sailrite experience!
>
> It is sort of a dollars decision. Where tools are
> concerned I can think of a lot of worse things to
> spend a few hundred dollars on than a sailrite sewing
> machine. My experience is that the walking foot is
> useful, you need to develop a sensitive outfeed hand
> without it. My coments were just ment to relieve you
> from feeling that nothing short of this would work.
>
> TD
> --- Jeff Blunck <boatbuilding@...> wrote:
>
> <HR>
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> <tt>
> Agreed. I purchased a sewing machine several
> years ago to build my sail. I 
> went to sewing store and told them what I
> wanted. Since I needed to go 
> through 6 layers of tarp, they demonstrated a simple
> machine with only a few 
> stitch patterns including zigzag that went through 8
> layers of denim 
> material about 3/16" thick. Sold me on the
> power and only cost $169 US. 
> 
> If you stick to the basic models you can get a lot of
> power cheap. 
> 
> I zigzag stitched through 6 layers of poly tarp that
> had two layers of 
> sticky tape and other than having to spray some WD40
> along the seam to keep 
> it from getting to hot, it worked like a champ.
> You may have to help along 
> a slick sail material so your stitches are nice and
> even but generally it 
> works fine either way. 
> 
> Jeff 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "thomas dalzell"
> <proaconstrictor@...> 
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:40 AM 
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Sailrite sewing machine 
> 
> 
> > The answer from me would have to be no. 
> > 
> > I did used to design for a company that made
> gore-tex 
> > outerware, and during younger years used to sew
> my own 
> > climbing equipment slings and such, I have
> installed 
> > reefing points using just the cheappest
> household 
> > sewing machine. Here in toronto there is a
> bit of a 
> > clothing industry, enough so that there are a
> few 
> > industrial sewing supply houses. I know
> that sail 
> > making is a pretty specific business, none the
> less, 
> > industrial quality sewing machines are cheap in
> the 
> > second hand market, and even new they are
> about half 
> > the price of the Sailrite units. We
> followed 
> > Sailrite's advice and just siliconed our
> standard 
> > sears unit, and it worked fine for the reefing
> point 
> > job. 
> > 
> > Just a few thoughts in case your use is expected
> to be 
> > very infrequent. 
> > 
> > 
> > --- mkstocks@... wrote: 
> > 
> > <HR> 
> > <html><body> 
> > <tt> 
> > Hi - 
> > 
> > Anybody have any experiences with the
> Sailrite 
> > Ultrafeed LSZ-1, with 
> > Upgrade Package?  I am considering
> investing in 
> > one. 
> > 
> > <a 
> > 
> href="<a
>
href="http://secure.sailrite.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=687&variation=&aitem=1&m
">http://secure.sailrite.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=687&variation=&aitem
=1&m</a> 
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item">http://secure.sailrite.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=687&variation=&a
mp;amp;aitem</a> 
> =1&m</a> 
> > item=4 
> > 
> > Thanks. 
> > 
> > Mike 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Oops, I just noticed while reading Jeff's interesting
comments that what I appeared to have said was don't
buy it. I'm not that presumptuous. I ment I don't
have sailrite experience!

It is sort of a dollars decision. Where tools are
concerned I can think of a lot of worse things to
spend a few hundred dollars on than a sailrite sewing
machine. My experience is that the walking foot is
useful, you need to develop a sensitive outfeed hand
without it. My coments were just ment to relieve you
from feeling that nothing short of this would work.

TD
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Agreed. I purchased a sewing machine several
years ago to build my sail. I 
went to sewing store and told them what I
wanted. Since I needed to go 
through 6 layers of tarp, they demonstrated a simple
machine with only a few 
stitch patterns including zigzag that went through 8
layers of denim 
material about 3/16" thick. Sold me on the
power and only cost $169 US. 
 
If you stick to the basic models you can get a lot of
power cheap. 
 
I zigzag stitched through 6 layers of poly tarp that
had two layers of 
sticky tape and other than having to spray some WD40
along the seam to keep 
it from getting to hot, it worked like a champ.
You may have to help along 
a slick sail material so your stitches are nice and
even but generally it 
works fine either way. 
 
Jeff

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "thomas dalzell"
<proaconstrictor@...> 
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:40 AM 
Subject: Re: [bolger] Sailrite sewing machine 
 
 
> The answer from me would have to be no. 
> 
> I did used to design for a company that made
gore-tex 
> outerware, and during younger years used to sew
my own 
> climbing equipment slings and such, I have
installed 
> reefing points using just the cheappest
household 
> sewing machine. Here in toronto there is a
bit of a 
> clothing industry, enough so that there are a
few 
> industrial sewing supply houses. I know
that sail 
> making is a pretty specific business, none the
less, 
> industrial quality sewing machines are cheap in
the 
> second hand market, and even new they are
about half 
> the price of the Sailrite units. We
followed 
> Sailrite's advice and just siliconed our
standard 
> sears unit, and it worked fine for the reefing
point 
> job. 
> 
> Just a few thoughts in case your use is expected
to be 
> very infrequent. 
> 
> 
> --- mkstocks@... wrote: 
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> 
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Try your nearest sailmaker. As a rule, I find they are interested in
home-grown projects. Be prepared to make some compromises, and they'll be
even more helpful. By taking some coloured cloth they had had around for a
long time, I got a great price on 54 inch wide, 4 ounce dacron. I offered
my son his choice of pale blue, international orange or white (more
expensive), and he chose the orange. At the same time, I was given the
lower price on a small amount of white, plus I got the end of another roll
of orange for nothing. (Just as well, since I must have done the math wrong
-- we needed all the extra before we finished cutting.)

I don't much like the wide cloth, but if you split it or use a false seam,
you get a good looking 27 inch panel, with lots of opportunity for shaping
the sail.

I forget the exact price, but it was a lot better than Sailrite or other web
sources.

Jamie Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: thomas dalzell [mailto:proaconstrictor@...]
Sent: October 25, 2001 10:48 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Sail cloth?

By the way, does anyone have any ideas where to buy
sail cloth at a reasonable price?

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Agreed. I purchased a sewing machine several years ago to build my sail. I
went to sewing store and told them what I wanted. Since I needed to go
through 6 layers of tarp, they demonstrated a simple machine with only a few
stitch patterns including zigzag that went through 8 layers of denim
material about 3/16" thick. Sold me on the power and only cost $169 US.

If you stick to the basic models you can get a lot of power cheap.

I zigzag stitched through 6 layers of poly tarp that had two layers of
sticky tape and other than having to spray some WD40 along the seam to keep
it from getting to hot, it worked like a champ. You may have to help along
a slick sail material so your stitches are nice and even but generally it
works fine either way.

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas dalzell" <proaconstrictor@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Sailrite sewing machine

> The answer from me would have to be no.
>
> I did used to design for a company that made gore-tex
> outerware, and during younger years used to sew my own
> climbing equipment slings and such, I have installed
> reefing points using just the cheappest household
> sewing machine. Here in toronto there is a bit of a
> clothing industry, enough so that there are a few
> industrial sewing supply houses. I know that sail
> making is a pretty specific business, none the less,
> industrial quality sewing machines are cheap in the
> second hand market, and even new they are about half
> the price of the Sailrite units. We followed
> Sailrite's advice and just siliconed our standard
> sears unit, and it worked fine for the reefing point
> job.
>
> Just a few thoughts in case your use is expected to be
> very infrequent.
>
>
> ---mkstocks@...wrote:
>
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> <tt>
> Hi - 
> 
> Anybody have any experiences with the Sailrite
> Ultrafeed LSZ-1, with 
> Upgrade Package? I am considering investing in
> one. 
> 
> <a
>
href="http://secure.sailrite.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=687&variation=&aitem=1&m
">http://secure.sailrite.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=687&variation=&aitem
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Hi - 
 
Anybody have any experiences with the Sailrite
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Upgrade Package? I am considering investing in
one. 
 
<a
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The answer from me would have to be no.

I did used to design for a company that made gore-tex
outerware, and during younger years used to sew my own
climbing equipment slings and such, I have installed
reefing points using just the cheappest household
sewing machine. Here in toronto there is a bit of a
clothing industry, enough so that there are a few
industrial sewing supply houses. I know that sail
making is a pretty specific business, none the less,
industrial quality sewing machines are cheap in the
second hand market, and even new they are about half
the price of the Sailrite units. We followed
Sailrite's advice and just siliconed our standard
sears unit, and it worked fine for the reefing point
job.

Just a few thoughts in case your use is expected to be
very infrequent.

---mkstocks@...wrote:

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<tt>
Hi - 
 
Anybody have any experiences with the Sailrite
Ultrafeed LSZ-1, with 
Upgrade Package? I am considering investing in
one. 
 
<a
href="http://secure.sailrite.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=687&variation=&aitem=1&m">http://secure.sailrite.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=687&variation=&aitem=1&m</a> 
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Hi -

Anybody have any experiences with the Sailrite Ultrafeed LSZ-1, with
Upgrade Package? I am considering investing in one.

http://secure.sailrite.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=687&variation=&aitem=1&m
item=4

Thanks.

Mike