Re: info on "missing" Bolger designs
Gerry,
My secret? I have the old (circa 1993) Common Sense Catalog. I never
throw anything away, which is why I also have at least five home-made
boats scattered around my property. I did finally get rid of my 1964
Volkswagon Beetle a few years ago, but it broke my heart....
porky
My secret? I have the old (circa 1993) Common Sense Catalog. I never
throw anything away, which is why I also have at least five home-made
boats scattered around my property. I did finally get rid of my 1964
Volkswagon Beetle a few years ago, but it broke my heart....
porky
--- In bolger@y..., "Gerry" <ghinkle@h...> wrote:
> David,
> You knocked this pitch out of the park! Thanks to you (and the
> others) for the info. Should this be posted (with full credits to
> posters) in the "Files" section, at least until an all-in-one list
> gets made?
>
> By the way, where did you find these? I have no local access to
Small
> Boat Journal or Wooden Boat. I admit Samuel Clyde was an oversight,
> should have found that one in BWAOM. I had suspected some of these
> were known under other names. In light of "Clyde" being directly in
> BWAOM, I'd remove it from this list (certainly not missing...)
>
> - Gerry
>
> PS - I would add Bob Chamberland's "refined by" reference (Thanks!)
> along with the other tidbits...
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "david galvin" <porcupine@d...> wrote:
> > Gerry,
> >
> > Bateau #517 is a 25'6"x4'10" flat bottomed plywood rowboat. It is
> > designed for three oarsman and a cockswain, and requires seven
> sheets
> > of 1/2" plywood to build. I don't know if it's the "Budjet Bateau"
> to
> > which you refer.
> >
> > Houseboat has been commented on by others. Bolger definitely no
> > longer offers plans for this one.
> >
> > Blackbird #443 is a 23'4"x7'8" cabin cruiser designed for a
fifteen
> > to ninety horsepower outboard. It is a round bottomed boat with
vee
> > berths and a minimal head and galley. Intended for cold-molded
wood
> > construction, it would be a long time building, but it is a lovely
> > boat of the type.
> >
> > Dugong #365 is a 26'x5'4" cold-molded cruising canoe. It displaces
>
> { ... cut for brevity ... }
David,
You knocked this pitch out of the park! Thanks to you (and the
others) for the info. Should this be posted (with full credits to
posters) in the "Files" section, at least until an all-in-one list
gets made?
By the way, where did you find these? I have no local access to Small
Boat Journal or Wooden Boat. I admit Samuel Clyde was an oversight,
should have found that one in BWAOM. I had suspected some of these
were known under other names. In light of "Clyde" being directly in
BWAOM, I'd remove it from this list (certainly not missing...)
- Gerry
PS - I would add Bob Chamberland's "refined by" reference (Thanks!)
along with the other tidbits...
You knocked this pitch out of the park! Thanks to you (and the
others) for the info. Should this be posted (with full credits to
posters) in the "Files" section, at least until an all-in-one list
gets made?
By the way, where did you find these? I have no local access to Small
Boat Journal or Wooden Boat. I admit Samuel Clyde was an oversight,
should have found that one in BWAOM. I had suspected some of these
were known under other names. In light of "Clyde" being directly in
BWAOM, I'd remove it from this list (certainly not missing...)
- Gerry
PS - I would add Bob Chamberland's "refined by" reference (Thanks!)
along with the other tidbits...
--- In bolger@y..., "david galvin" <porcupine@d...> wrote:
> Gerry,
>
> Bateau #517 is a 25'6"x4'10" flat bottomed plywood rowboat. It is
> designed for three oarsman and a cockswain, and requires seven
sheets
> of 1/2" plywood to build. I don't know if it's the "Budjet Bateau"
to
> which you refer.
>
> Houseboat has been commented on by others. Bolger definitely no
> longer offers plans for this one.
>
> Blackbird #443 is a 23'4"x7'8" cabin cruiser designed for a fifteen
> to ninety horsepower outboard. It is a round bottomed boat with vee
> berths and a minimal head and galley. Intended for cold-molded wood
> construction, it would be a long time building, but it is a lovely
> boat of the type.
>
> Dugong #365 is a 26'x5'4" cold-molded cruising canoe. It displaces
{ ... cut for brevity ... }
Blackbird #443 is a 23'4"x7'8" cabin cruiser designed for a fifteen
"Blackbird". The design is by Ken Bassett drawn and refined by Mr Bolger.
Bob Chamberland
> to ninety horsepower outboard. It is a round bottomed boat with veeSee Small Boat Journal #41, March 1985 for an article about
> berths and a minimal head and galley. Intended for cold-molded wood
> construction, it would be a long time building, but it is a lovely
> boat of the type.
>
"Blackbird". The design is by Ken Bassett drawn and refined by Mr Bolger.
Bob Chamberland
Gerry,
Bateau #517 is a 25'6"x4'10" flat bottomed plywood rowboat. It is
designed for three oarsman and a cockswain, and requires seven sheets
of 1/2" plywood to build. I don't know if it's the "Budjet Bateau" to
which you refer.
Houseboat has been commented on by others. Bolger definitely no
longer offers plans for this one.
Blackbird #443 is a 23'4"x7'8" cabin cruiser designed for a fifteen
to ninety horsepower outboard. It is a round bottomed boat with vee
berths and a minimal head and galley. Intended for cold-molded wood
construction, it would be a long time building, but it is a lovely
boat of the type.
Dugong #365 is a 26'x5'4" cold-molded cruising canoe. It displaces
1400 lbs. and sleeps two--minimally. I think of it as a sort of "rich
man's Birdwatcher". It has a boomed sprit rig and can also be rowed
by one person. With its leeboards up it draws five inches of water.
Gale #492 is a plywood-on-frame center-console power boat. It
reportedly does eighteen knots with a fifteen horsepower outboard.
Semi-Vee bottomed and 29'x5'2", it would be fairly challenging to
build.
Your guess is correct concerning Samuel Clyde, a business-like live-
aboard cruiser for two to four. It needs a 100-200 hp I/O for power.
Steel Trawler is a 39'x14'x3'9" draft ocean-capable, uh, steel
trawler. The interior is laid out for four (or five or six). You
could, of course, install a baby grand piano in the forpeak in leau
of two of the berths, or an upright in the saloon instead of the
sofa. It requires an eighty horsepower diesel inboard and displaces
40,000 lbs, all up. This is a very serious boat for very serious
cruising.
Sybil's Yawl #507, a rich man's Tortoise, is 7'6"x3'11". A flat-
bottomed lapstrake dinghy designed for oars or a two horsepower
outboard, if used as a yawl boat she can use up to six horsepower.
Tartar, 25'6"x6'8", is a cold-molded outboard cruiser with two berths
under a convertible top. There are no other accomodations. It had
a "semi-vee" hull and is designed for a seventy horsepower outboard.
Bateau #517 is a 25'6"x4'10" flat bottomed plywood rowboat. It is
designed for three oarsman and a cockswain, and requires seven sheets
of 1/2" plywood to build. I don't know if it's the "Budjet Bateau" to
which you refer.
Houseboat has been commented on by others. Bolger definitely no
longer offers plans for this one.
Blackbird #443 is a 23'4"x7'8" cabin cruiser designed for a fifteen
to ninety horsepower outboard. It is a round bottomed boat with vee
berths and a minimal head and galley. Intended for cold-molded wood
construction, it would be a long time building, but it is a lovely
boat of the type.
Dugong #365 is a 26'x5'4" cold-molded cruising canoe. It displaces
1400 lbs. and sleeps two--minimally. I think of it as a sort of "rich
man's Birdwatcher". It has a boomed sprit rig and can also be rowed
by one person. With its leeboards up it draws five inches of water.
Gale #492 is a plywood-on-frame center-console power boat. It
reportedly does eighteen knots with a fifteen horsepower outboard.
Semi-Vee bottomed and 29'x5'2", it would be fairly challenging to
build.
Your guess is correct concerning Samuel Clyde, a business-like live-
aboard cruiser for two to four. It needs a 100-200 hp I/O for power.
Steel Trawler is a 39'x14'x3'9" draft ocean-capable, uh, steel
trawler. The interior is laid out for four (or five or six). You
could, of course, install a baby grand piano in the forpeak in leau
of two of the berths, or an upright in the saloon instead of the
sofa. It requires an eighty horsepower diesel inboard and displaces
40,000 lbs, all up. This is a very serious boat for very serious
cruising.
Sybil's Yawl #507, a rich man's Tortoise, is 7'6"x3'11". A flat-
bottomed lapstrake dinghy designed for oars or a two horsepower
outboard, if used as a yawl boat she can use up to six horsepower.
Tartar, 25'6"x6'8", is a cold-molded outboard cruiser with two berths
under a convertible top. There are no other accomodations. It had
a "semi-vee" hull and is designed for a seventy horsepower outboard.
--- In bolger@y..., "Gerry" <ghinkle@h...> wrote:
> While doing a random search on Bolger in Google, I came across an
> archived sale notice from Common Sense Designs back in 1996.
> Apparently they used to carry many more (approx 50) Bolger plans
than
> they do now.
>
> It took some digging, but I managed to cross-reference most of them
to
> the various books and MAIB index (thru Dec 2000). I
> haven't found a Small Boat Journal (SBJ) index yet (pointers,
> anyone?). There are a few left that I couldn't find, or were not
> definatively matched up in MAIB.
>
> I'd like to get at least a length and hull/class/family description
on
> these. Hopefully they'll get added into the indexes here and
> elsewhere as a result. I suppose I may have just volunteered to
> create the "not found in print" list for Bolger designs...
>
> Bateau #517 -> is this the "Budget Bateau" in the MAIB index ?
> Houseboat #481 -> several hits in MAIB, dunno which one?
> Blackbird #443
> Dugong #365
> Gale #492
> Samuel Clyde #544 -> maybe? 32' Plywood Motorboat, MAIB v13 i-4 p10
> Steel Trawler #409
> Sybil's Yawl #507
> Tartar #424
>
> I suppose I could write to Mr. Bolger, but I figured the group might
> have fun with this in light of the discussion about indexing the
> designs.
| Gale #492 - Surely this is "Slicer" in BWAOM.
| Tartar #424 - I've got an old Nautical Quarterly that I found in Powell's
books in Portland, OR with a few photos and a brief write-up. The prototype
was built by Zimmerman Marine in VA. She is a very pretty and useful looking
outboard dayboat.
JB in Kennesaw.
| Tartar #424 - I've got an old Nautical Quarterly that I found in Powell's
books in Portland, OR with a few photos and a brief write-up. The prototype
was built by Zimmerman Marine in VA. She is a very pretty and useful looking
outboard dayboat.
JB in Kennesaw.
Probably same design as done for veteran beachcruisers Ida Little &
Michael Walsh, 26' strip-plank, sprit-rig, leeboard cruiser. They
describe it's plusses (and minuses) in their book: Beachcruising and
Coastal Camping, ISBN 0918752159. They eventually sold it and moved
on to a bigger FG vessel (for living aboard, I think).
Michael Walsh, 26' strip-plank, sprit-rig, leeboard cruiser. They
describe it's plusses (and minuses) in their book: Beachcruising and
Coastal Camping, ISBN 0918752159. They eventually sold it and moved
on to a bigger FG vessel (for living aboard, I think).
--- In bolger@y..., "Gerry" <ghinkle@h...> wrote:
>snip>
Dugong #365
> Samuel Clyde #544 -> maybe? 32' Plywood Motorboat, MAIB v13 i-4 p10in BWAOM, 31' plywood cruiser.
On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Gerry wrote:
they are insufficiently seaworthy for the water people take them out on.
They can ship water over the bow (onto the foredeck, that is to say, onto
the porch, and hence into the cabin).
I have the plans, and like its looks.
> Houseboat #481 -> several hits in MAIB, dunno which one?BTW, Bolger doesn't sell these anymore. I believe that he thinks that
they are insufficiently seaworthy for the water people take them out on.
They can ship water over the bow (onto the foredeck, that is to say, onto
the porch, and hence into the cabin).
I have the plans, and like its looks.
Samuel Clyde #544 is a hard-chine plywood I/O cruiser, 31'0" x 8'3" x
1'0". It is described in BWAOM p. 3229.
Steel Trawler #409 is a steel box-keel diesel trawler, 39'0" x
14'0"x3'9". It is described in BWAOM p. 392, is called "Shady Lady".
1'0". It is described in BWAOM p. 3229.
Steel Trawler #409 is a steel box-keel diesel trawler, 39'0" x
14'0"x3'9". It is described in BWAOM p. 392, is called "Shady Lady".
--- In bolger@y..., "Gerry" <ghinkle@h...> wrote:
> While doing a random search on Bolger in Google, I came across an
> archived sale notice from Common Sense Designs back in 1996.
> Apparently they used to carry many more (approx 50) Bolger plans
than
> they do now.
>
> It took some digging, but I managed to cross-reference most of them
to
> the various books and MAIB index (thru Dec 2000). I
> haven't found a Small Boat Journal (SBJ) index yet (pointers,
> anyone?). There are a few left that I couldn't find, or were not
> definatively matched up in MAIB.
>
> I'd like to get at least a length and hull/class/family description
on
> these. Hopefully they'll get added into the indexes here and
> elsewhere as a result. I suppose I may have just volunteered to
> create the "not found in print" list for Bolger designs...
>
> Bateau #517 -> is this the "Budget Bateau" in the MAIB index ?
> Houseboat #481 -> several hits in MAIB, dunno which one?
> Blackbird #443
> Dugong #365
> Gale #492
> Samuel Clyde #544 -> maybe? 32' Plywood Motorboat, MAIB v13 i-4 p10
> Steel Trawler #409
> Sybil's Yawl #507
> Tartar #424
>
> I suppose I could write to Mr. Bolger, but I figured the group might
> have fun with this in light of the discussion about indexing the
> designs.
My price list indicates that they were carrying 29
boxes, and 24 "complex plans" during that period.
I have the HouseBoat plans. They were prepared for
Elrow LaRowe, as design 481. She is 19'9"x7'10". She
is flat in crossection, and curved fore and aft.
--- Gerry <ghinkle@...> wrote:
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While doing a random search on Bolger in Google, I
came across an<BR>
archived sale notice from Common Sense Designs back in
1996. <BR>
Apparently they used to carry many more (approx 50)
Bolger plans than<BR>
they do now.<BR>
<BR>
It took some digging, but I managed to cross-reference
most of them to<BR>
the various books and MAIB index (thru Dec
2000). I<BR>
haven't found a Small Boat Journal (SBJ) index yet
(pointers,<BR>
anyone?). There are a few left that I couldn't
find, or were not<BR>
definatively matched up in MAIB.<BR>
<BR>
I'd like to get at least a length and
hull/class/family description on<BR>
these. Hopefully they'll get added into the
indexes here and<BR>
elsewhere as a result. I suppose I may have just
volunteered to<BR>
create the "not found in print" list for
Bolger designs...<BR>
<BR>
Bateau #517 -> is this the "Budget
Bateau" in the MAIB index ?<BR>
Houseboat #481 -> several hits in MAIB, dunno
which one?<BR>
Blackbird #443<BR>
Dugong #365<BR>
Gale #492<BR>
Samuel Clyde #544 -> maybe? 32' Plywood Motorboat,
MAIB v13 i-4 p10<BR>
Steel Trawler #409<BR>
Sybil's Yawl #507<BR>
Tartar #424<BR>
<BR>
I suppose I could write to Mr. Bolger, but I figured
the group might<BR>
have fun with this in light of the discussion about
indexing the<BR>
designs.<BR>
<BR>
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boxes, and 24 "complex plans" during that period.
I have the HouseBoat plans. They were prepared for
Elrow LaRowe, as design 481. She is 19'9"x7'10". She
is flat in crossection, and curved fore and aft.
--- Gerry <ghinkle@...> wrote:
<HR>
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<tt>
While doing a random search on Bolger in Google, I
came across an<BR>
archived sale notice from Common Sense Designs back in
1996. <BR>
Apparently they used to carry many more (approx 50)
Bolger plans than<BR>
they do now.<BR>
<BR>
It took some digging, but I managed to cross-reference
most of them to<BR>
the various books and MAIB index (thru Dec
2000). I<BR>
haven't found a Small Boat Journal (SBJ) index yet
(pointers,<BR>
anyone?). There are a few left that I couldn't
find, or were not<BR>
definatively matched up in MAIB.<BR>
<BR>
I'd like to get at least a length and
hull/class/family description on<BR>
these. Hopefully they'll get added into the
indexes here and<BR>
elsewhere as a result. I suppose I may have just
volunteered to<BR>
create the "not found in print" list for
Bolger designs...<BR>
<BR>
Bateau #517 -> is this the "Budget
Bateau" in the MAIB index ?<BR>
Houseboat #481 -> several hits in MAIB, dunno
which one?<BR>
Blackbird #443<BR>
Dugong #365<BR>
Gale #492<BR>
Samuel Clyde #544 -> maybe? 32' Plywood Motorboat,
MAIB v13 i-4 p10<BR>
Steel Trawler #409<BR>
Sybil's Yawl #507<BR>
Tartar #424<BR>
<BR>
I suppose I could write to Mr. Bolger, but I figured
the group might<BR>
have fun with this in light of the discussion about
indexing the<BR>
designs.<BR>
<BR>
</tt>
<br>
<tt>
Bolger rules!!!<BR>
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging
dead horses<BR>
- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on
topic, and punctuate<BR>
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts,
snip all you like<BR>
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349<BR>
- Unsubscribe:
bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com</tt>
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While doing a random search on Bolger in Google, I came across an
archived sale notice from Common Sense Designs back in 1996.
Apparently they used to carry many more (approx 50) Bolger plans than
they do now.
It took some digging, but I managed to cross-reference most of them to
the various books and MAIB index (thru Dec 2000). I
haven't found a Small Boat Journal (SBJ) index yet (pointers,
anyone?). There are a few left that I couldn't find, or were not
definatively matched up in MAIB.
I'd like to get at least a length and hull/class/family description on
these. Hopefully they'll get added into the indexes here and
elsewhere as a result. I suppose I may have just volunteered to
create the "not found in print" list for Bolger designs...
Bateau #517 -> is this the "Budget Bateau" in the MAIB index ?
Houseboat #481 -> several hits in MAIB, dunno which one?
Blackbird #443
Dugong #365
Gale #492
Samuel Clyde #544 -> maybe? 32' Plywood Motorboat, MAIB v13 i-4 p10
Steel Trawler #409
Sybil's Yawl #507
Tartar #424
I suppose I could write to Mr. Bolger, but I figured the group might
have fun with this in light of the discussion about indexing the
designs.
archived sale notice from Common Sense Designs back in 1996.
Apparently they used to carry many more (approx 50) Bolger plans than
they do now.
It took some digging, but I managed to cross-reference most of them to
the various books and MAIB index (thru Dec 2000). I
haven't found a Small Boat Journal (SBJ) index yet (pointers,
anyone?). There are a few left that I couldn't find, or were not
definatively matched up in MAIB.
I'd like to get at least a length and hull/class/family description on
these. Hopefully they'll get added into the indexes here and
elsewhere as a result. I suppose I may have just volunteered to
create the "not found in print" list for Bolger designs...
Bateau #517 -> is this the "Budget Bateau" in the MAIB index ?
Houseboat #481 -> several hits in MAIB, dunno which one?
Blackbird #443
Dugong #365
Gale #492
Samuel Clyde #544 -> maybe? 32' Plywood Motorboat, MAIB v13 i-4 p10
Steel Trawler #409
Sybil's Yawl #507
Tartar #424
I suppose I could write to Mr. Bolger, but I figured the group might
have fun with this in light of the discussion about indexing the
designs.