Re: [bolger] Re: Micro Rowing

Just got the Anhinga plans - its 7' oars, for a 5'
beam. Here is an idea, strengthen the area in
question with some doubling material, insert a pihi
deck plate, on the back of that strech two vertical,
and two horizontal courses of webing. The "hole" in
the middle would be your "lock", when you don't need
them, you just screw the deck plates back, and you
have restored your waterproof integrity. Another
option might be those stout boots they put on the
stacks that come up through roofs.


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Much thanx Bolgerados! Always gratifying to launch a
discussion. Especially<BR>
appreciate Peter's wise counsel re. definition of a
"tight spot". I'd sort<BR>
of forgotten about those. More vivid in my memory was
losing my rudder on<BR>
the Gypsy in a howling westerly last August on the Bay
of Fundy. Managed to<BR>
securely lash the sail to mast, yank the mangled
rudder assembly out of its<BR>
gudgeons, and get well under way rowing against the
wind before my water<BR>
phobic friend from Colorado even realized we were in
danger. Well ok, to be<BR>
honest he thought we were in grave danger the whole
time we were out there,<BR>
but that assessment didn't increase when the real
crisis occurred.<BR>
Admittedly, Gypsy's light weight and negligible
displacement make quick<BR>
getaways under oar very easy.<BR>
<BR>
I suspect I really better start scheming ways to have
a motor available by<BR>
launch time. However, William Gilkerson did inspire me
in his Elly article<BR>
in the Oct./ 01 WB issue. He and crew rowed Elly
(5.5-ton displacement) at<BR>
3.5 knots effortlessly, once they got her going, for
several miles into<BR>
Mahone Bay. I've spent hours paddling circles around
Elly in my kayak,<BR>
drooling onto my spray skirt. She's an awe-inspiring
boat. I figured if they<BR>
could do that with her 10.5 ft. beam, then micro would
be a cinch with her<BR>
scant 6 ft. width, even if she is rather high sided.
But Peter reminded me<BR>
of those cramped little rocky lea shore pockets I
could barely maneuver the<BR>
June Bug out of with her neat little 6 ft. oars. <BR>
<BR>
Thomas, I appreciate your respect for the Bay of
Fundy. But honestly, it's<BR>
not all salt white water. I'm convinced Micro will be
very well suited to<BR>
the environment. In fact one of my goals for the Micro
is to run the tidal<BR>
rapids through the Minas channel. Prevailing summer
south westerlies will<BR>
give perfect conditions for that adventure. But I
confess a motor will<BR>
pretty well be a necessity for getting back. Sigh!<BR>
<BR>
jeb, evoking far too many memories (and fantasies) for
a November night on<BR>
the drizzly shores of Fundy<BR>
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Much thanx Bolgerados! Always gratifying to launch a discussion. Especially
appreciate Peter's wise counsel re. definition of a "tight spot". I'd sort
of forgotten about those. More vivid in my memory was losing my rudder on
the Gypsy in a howling westerly last August on the Bay of Fundy. Managed to
securely lash the sail to mast, yank the mangled rudder assembly out of its
gudgeons, and get well under way rowing against the wind before my water
phobic friend from Colorado even realized we were in danger. Well ok, to be
honest he thought we were in grave danger the whole time we were out there,
but that assessment didn't increase when the real crisis occurred.
Admittedly, Gypsy's light weight and negligible displacement make quick
getaways under oar very easy.

I suspect I really better start scheming ways to have a motor available by
launch time. However, William Gilkerson did inspire me in his Elly article
in the Oct./ 01 WB issue. He and crew rowed Elly (5.5-ton displacement) at
3.5 knots effortlessly, once they got her going, for several miles into
Mahone Bay. I've spent hours paddling circles around Elly in my kayak,
drooling onto my spray skirt. She's an awe-inspiring boat. I figured if they
could do that with her 10.5 ft. beam, then micro would be a cinch with her
scant 6 ft. width, even if she is rather high sided. But Peter reminded me
of those cramped little rocky lea shore pockets I could barely maneuver the
June Bug out of with her neat little 6 ft. oars.

Thomas, I appreciate your respect for the Bay of Fundy. But honestly, it's
not all salt white water. I'm convinced Micro will be very well suited to
the environment. In fact one of my goals for the Micro is to run the tidal
rapids through the Minas channel. Prevailing summer south westerlies will
give perfect conditions for that adventure. But I confess a motor will
pretty well be a necessity for getting back. Sigh!

jeb, evoking far too many memories (and fantasies) for a November night on
the drizzly shores of Fundy
I think some yullohs are multi piece in concept, for
reasons other than storage. Why not store it aong the
edge of the deck in brackets, they can be quite
curved.

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Upright, in a second mizzen mast step on the port
side? ;-)<BR>
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Seems I

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Upright, in a second mizzen mast step on the port side? ;-)

Seems I remember from the photos his mizzen being in the center though.
Perhaps a ferrule in the middle, like in kayak paddles, so it comes apart
for stowage below.... But in kayak paddles, the ferrule is in a very
low-stress area, the middle. If it were in the middle of the stressed length
of an oar I don't think they'd hold up as well.

Paul L.


> From:vcgraphics@...[mailto:vcgraphics@...]
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Micro Rowing
>
> I believe Paloma Blanca, from Oz, uses a yuloh for aux
> propulsion. The boat doesn't even have a cutout for a motor.
> Don't ask me where the yuloh is stored, I've wondered that
> myself.
>
> Vance
I believe Paloma Blanca, from Oz, uses a yuloh for aux
propulsion. The boat doesn't even have a cutout for a motor.
Don't ask me where the yuloh is stored, I've wondered that
myself.

Vance

--- In bolger@y..., ellengaest@b... wrote:
> Unlike the Dovekie which was designed to be rowed (snip)
rowing is not a"practical" solution.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
Unlike the Dovekie which was designed to be rowed(lift up
rudder,leeboard and take-down mast) the Micro keeps its appendages in
the water(friction) and the boat has 2 mast.They are easy to take
down but.....its going to get awefully crowded/messy trying to
organize the stowage of these spars AND the sculling length oars
required.So the masts stay up and you get even more resistence.
Add to this the lay-out of the Micro and it quickly becomes apparent
that rowing is not a"practical" solution.Far better to have a
reliable outboard as suggested by the designer and to practice good
seamanship to avoid(as much as possible) finding yourself in risky
situations.
At least that is how I see it.Then again,I live in an area with
constant current and a ton of crazy speed boats.Oars,even on a boat
designed for them(skiff) aren't too wise for quick escapes.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan



--- In bolger@y..., "Pete Staehling" <staehpj1@h...> wrote:
>
> I am not extremely familiar with Micro (I have admired her from
> afar), but if freeboard is the main problem perhaps some ports cut
> through the sides could address the problem. This would get the
oars
> much lower and somewhat shorter as a result. The ports could be
> closed when not needed.
>
> I am not sure how feasible this would be on Micro, but I think
> Michalak has done something like this with other designs.
>
> I wouldn't want to try to row a Micro any distance or against a
> strong wind or current, but it would probably be no big deal at all
> to row down the aisle in a sheltered marina.
>
> Pete Staehling
>
> BTW: If you ask Mr. Bolger, please let us know what he said.
When one gets long enough oars, where does one keep or stow them in or on a Micro? I think Dovekie
had the solution. Clyde

"Jack E. Bearden" wrote:

> Thanx to Bob, Harry, and Thomas re. quick responce re. Micro rowing. The
> sculling idea is intriguing. However, I do question the comparitive pulling
> power, especially in a tight spot. I've frequently quickly got myself out of
> various scary situations in both Gypsy and June Bug under oar power. Frank
> Dye (Sailing to the Edge of Fear) has always used oars as aux. on his
> Wayfarer(s) (at least a foot wider than Micro) for multiple thousands of
> nautical miles. Micro is not a large boat. If Rozenante and Birdwatcher are
> designed for oar auxillary it doesn't seem a hug leap for Micro. The biggest
> challenge seems to me would be stowing 8'-10' oars on a 15'4" pocket
> cruiser. I intend to write PCB and Friends about Wandervogel. I'll add the
> question about Micro Rowing. A small outboard is inevitable, preferably a 5
> hp 4 stroke. But, having one before a spring launch of Bilbo's Pocket is a
> long shot. I plan to start in the relatively benign waters of Mahone Bay
> before venturing into the formidable Fundy waters.
>
> jeb, cursing the clouds that shrouded the heavens during the Leonid meteor
> shower in the wee hours this morning on the stormy shores of Fundy
>
>
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--- In bolger@y..., ellengaest@b... wrote:
> Jack,
> Rowing is good and rowing is fun! But,I think the Micro may be
> too high(freeboard) to make rowing practical.

I am not extremely familiar with Micro (I have admired her from
afar), but if freeboard is the main problem perhaps some ports cut
through the sides could address the problem. This would get the oars
much lower and somewhat shorter as a result. The ports could be
closed when not needed.

I am not sure how feasible this would be on Micro, but I think
Michalak has done something like this with other designs.

I wouldn't want to try to row a Micro any distance or against a
strong wind or current, but it would probably be no big deal at all
to row down the aisle in a sheltered marina.

Pete Staehling

BTW: If you ask Mr. Bolger, please let us know what he said.
Jack,
Rowing is good and rowing is fun! But,I think the Micro may be
too high(freeboard) to make rowing practical.That is,the length of
the oars will not only soon approach the LOA of the Micro which
presents its own set of stowage problems but if they are intended to
help manouver the boat in"tight spots" then the area required to
properly opperate 9',10' + oars is no longer really tight. If your
tight spot happens to be a little dead-end back water and the wind or
waves have driven you in there,oars will not be enough to safely get
you out of there.With the small outboard,you can literally turn in
your own length and have lots of power to punch your way out of the
jam.
Lots of practice with a Micro will soon have you being able to
evaluate most situations and make the right call regarding whether or
not you can extract yourself from any particular tight spot.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,Micro tight spot experienced and outboard advocate,from
the mighty St.Lawrence..........



--- In bolger@y..., "Jack E. Bearden" <jalo@i...> wrote:
> Thanx to Bob, Harry, and Thomas re. quick responce re. Micro
rowing. The
> sculling idea is intriguing. However, I do question the comparitive
pulling
> power, especially in a tight spot. I've frequently quickly got
myself out of
> various scary situations in both Gypsy and June Bug under oar
power. Frank
> Dye (Sailing to the Edge of Fear) has always used oars as aux. on
his
> Wayfarer(s) (at least a foot wider than Micro) for multiple
thousands of
> nautical miles. Micro is not a large boat. If Rozenante and
Birdwatcher are
> designed for oar auxillary it doesn't seem a hug leap for Micro.
The biggest
> challenge seems to me would be stowing 8'-10' oars on a 15'4" pocket
> cruiser. I intend to write PCB and Friends about Wandervogel. I'll
add the
> question about Micro Rowing. A small outboard is inevitable,
preferably a 5
> hp 4 stroke. But, having one before a spring launch of Bilbo's
Pocket is a
> long shot. I plan to start in the relatively benign waters of
Mahone Bay
> before venturing into the formidable Fundy waters.
>
> jeb, cursing the clouds that shrouded the heavens during the Leonid
meteor
> shower in the wee hours this morning on the stormy shores of Fundy
Fundy, the home of tidal whitewater rafting. Good
luck!

A difference between micro and say Birdwatcher is the
weight. Anyway ask PCB. He has Yulloh experience as
well, so ask a broad question if you like.

--- "Jack E. Bearden" <jalo@...> wrote:

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Thanx to Bob, Harry, and Thomas re. quick responce re.
Micro rowing. The<BR>
sculling idea is intriguing. However, I do question
the comparitive pulling<BR>
power, especially in a tight spot. I've frequently
quickly got myself out of<BR>
various scary situations in both Gypsy and June Bug
under oar power. Frank<BR>
Dye (Sailing to the Edge of Fear) has always used oars
as aux. on his<BR>
Wayfarer(s) (at least a foot wider than Micro) for
multiple thousands of<BR>
nautical miles.  Micro is not a large boat. If
Rozenante and Birdwatcher are<BR>
designed for oar auxillary it doesn't seem a hug leap
for Micro. The biggest<BR>
challenge seems to me would be stowing 8'-10' oars on
a 15'4" pocket<BR>
cruiser. I intend to write PCB and Friends about
Wandervogel. I'll add the<BR>
question about Micro Rowing. A small outboard is
inevitable, preferably a 5<BR>
hp 4 stroke. But, having one before a spring launch of
Bilbo's Pocket is a<BR>
long shot. I plan to start in the relatively benign
waters of Mahone Bay<BR>
before venturing into the formidable Fundy waters.<BR>
<BR>
jeb, cursing the clouds that shrouded the heavens
during the Leonid meteor<BR>
shower in the wee hours this morning on the stormy
shores of Fundy<BR>
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Thanx to Bob, Harry, and Thomas re. quick responce re. Micro rowing. The
sculling idea is intriguing. However, I do question the comparitive pulling
power, especially in a tight spot. I've frequently quickly got myself out of
various scary situations in both Gypsy and June Bug under oar power. Frank
Dye (Sailing to the Edge of Fear) has always used oars as aux. on his
Wayfarer(s) (at least a foot wider than Micro) for multiple thousands of
nautical miles. Micro is not a large boat. If Rozenante and Birdwatcher are
designed for oar auxillary it doesn't seem a hug leap for Micro. The biggest
challenge seems to me would be stowing 8'-10' oars on a 15'4" pocket
cruiser. I intend to write PCB and Friends about Wandervogel. I'll add the
question about Micro Rowing. A small outboard is inevitable, preferably a 5
hp 4 stroke. But, having one before a spring launch of Bilbo's Pocket is a
long shot. I plan to start in the relatively benign waters of Mahone Bay
before venturing into the formidable Fundy waters.

jeb, cursing the clouds that shrouded the heavens during the Leonid meteor
shower in the wee hours this morning on the stormy shores of Fundy