Re: pointy skiff vs. diablo - plans
I'd just keep it simple and build a teal or if the teal is not enough
boat, build a surf. Just my opinion...Good luck either way.
Todd
I'm on my second and wished my first was somthing I could sell as
only to make room for my second.
boat, build a surf. Just my opinion...Good luck either way.
Todd
I'm on my second and wished my first was somthing I could sell as
only to make room for my second.
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> Personally, if you like the designs, "Build the new
> instant boats" by Payson has all the plans or info you
> need.
>
>
>
> I would like to second Sam's reccomendation of the
> $200 sailboat. That was the first boat that I
> built.<BR>
> The plans are far more complete than the average set
> of plans and cost far less.
>
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Personally, if you like the designs, "Build the new
instant boats" by Payson has all the plans or info you
need.
I would like to second Sam's reccomendation of the
$200 sailboat. That was the first boat that I
built.<BR>
The plans are far more complete than the average set
of plans and cost far less.
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instant boats" by Payson has all the plans or info you
need.
I would like to second Sam's reccomendation of the
$200 sailboat. That was the first boat that I
built.<BR>
The plans are far more complete than the average set
of plans and cost far less.
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I would like to second Sam's reccomendation of the $200 sailboat. That was the first boat that I built.
The plans are far more complete than the average set of plans and cost far less. In addition Dave is the
nicest guy around if you need help. You can find info on his boat at:
http://home.att.net/~DaveCarnell/sailboat.html
Take a look.
James Fuller
The plans are far more complete than the average set of plans and cost far less. In addition Dave is the
nicest guy around if you need help. You can find info on his boat at:
http://home.att.net/~DaveCarnell/sailboat.html
Take a look.
James Fuller
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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] pointy skiff vs. diablo
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None of the instant boats are very hard to build,
although they will seem so the first time you stare at
a set of plans with a scale rule in hand. By far the
clearest explanations of any set of plans I have seen
are provided with the Dave Carnell version of Bolger's
Featherwind, aka $200 sailboat. This is also an easy
boat to build, in the "original" instant boat style
(that is, It can be built without epoxy). It makes a
decent, stable, good looking rowboat, and is built to
take a drop-in stock sunfish rig for sailing, and
makes a fine little sailboat and about the simplest
sailboat you can build. To my mind, it is prettier
than the pointy skiff. But it will not take a motor.
HH Payson sells plans for the stretched tortoise
"or brick" This boat is lower, and thus easier to
row, than the true Brick. It is a "Bolger box", looks
like a cement tray with a rockered bottom, can be
built in no time by an idiot (man, I'm the living
proof), and makes a surprisingly useful, stable little
rowboat, cute in a homely sort of way.
If you want a pretty rowing boat, easily built,
Common Sense Designs sells plans for Bolger's
stretched light dory, which rows like a dream, does
nothing else well, and is about the prettiest boat I
have ever seen.
Diablo is a motorboat. It appears to be a very
capable boat (I have not built or used one, but have
seen one used locally on Delaware Bay) and is
certainly attactive if you are looking for a light
outboard.
This is a long-winded way of saying that there
are many boats, and many of Bolger's boats, which are
suitable first-time projects. The first thing to
decide is how you will use the boat and how you will
get it to the water: that will narrow considerations
to suitable hulls for your purpose. If you have any
interest in a rowing/sailing boat, however, you really
ought to check out Dave Carnell's website and his $200
sailboat. You might also want to check out the Payson
website, Duckworks web-magazine, etc. for other easy
to build boats beyond what is in "New Instant Boats"
Good luck
Sam
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although they will seem so the first time you stare at
a set of plans with a scale rule in hand. By far the
clearest explanations of any set of plans I have seen
are provided with the Dave Carnell version of Bolger's
Featherwind, aka $200 sailboat. This is also an easy
boat to build, in the "original" instant boat style
(that is, It can be built without epoxy). It makes a
decent, stable, good looking rowboat, and is built to
take a drop-in stock sunfish rig for sailing, and
makes a fine little sailboat and about the simplest
sailboat you can build. To my mind, it is prettier
than the pointy skiff. But it will not take a motor.
HH Payson sells plans for the stretched tortoise
"or brick" This boat is lower, and thus easier to
row, than the true Brick. It is a "Bolger box", looks
like a cement tray with a rockered bottom, can be
built in no time by an idiot (man, I'm the living
proof), and makes a surprisingly useful, stable little
rowboat, cute in a homely sort of way.
If you want a pretty rowing boat, easily built,
Common Sense Designs sells plans for Bolger's
stretched light dory, which rows like a dream, does
nothing else well, and is about the prettiest boat I
have ever seen.
Diablo is a motorboat. It appears to be a very
capable boat (I have not built or used one, but have
seen one used locally on Delaware Bay) and is
certainly attactive if you are looking for a light
outboard.
This is a long-winded way of saying that there
are many boats, and many of Bolger's boats, which are
suitable first-time projects. The first thing to
decide is how you will use the boat and how you will
get it to the water: that will narrow considerations
to suitable hulls for your purpose. If you have any
interest in a rowing/sailing boat, however, you really
ought to check out Dave Carnell's website and his $200
sailboat. You might also want to check out the Payson
website, Duckworks web-magazine, etc. for other easy
to build boats beyond what is in "New Instant Boats"
Good luck
Sam
--- Reed Munson <emailreed@...> wrote:
> Hey folks,__________________________________________________
> I'm psyching myself up to begin my first boat. What
> would you
> recommend to a first time builder? Since I'm a
> beginner I
> obviously need something to build my skills with and
> a design to
> move me up the learning curve.
>
> In the groups opinion what would be a better first
> plan, the diablo
> or the pointy skiff?
>
> Reed Munson
> South St. Paul, MN
>
>
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You are implying that after this boat there will
likely be others which raises several points:
Do you need a tender?
Will you need to sell off your first boat, to make way
for your next, and what does the local market prefer.
I think the smalest project is best. The problem with
large projects is the agony factor. many folks will
stall at some point, as they agonize over some
unknown. This can make the first boat project take a
long time. One of the first three boats I built was a
Glen-L canoe. Not much of a boat, but unlike the
first boat I built that took almost six months, I ran
into no problems, and finished it in 2 days. That was
a tremendous confidence builder.
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I'm psyching myself up to begin my first boat. What
would you <BR>
recommend to a first time builder? Since I'm a
beginner I <BR>
obviously need something to build my skills with and a
design to <BR>
move me up the learning curve.<BR>
<BR>
In the groups opinion what would be a better first
plan, the diablo <BR>
or the pointy skiff?<BR>
<BR>
Reed Munson<BR>
South St. Paul, MN<BR>
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Do you need a tender?
Will you need to sell off your first boat, to make way
for your next, and what does the local market prefer.
I think the smalest project is best. The problem with
large projects is the agony factor. many folks will
stall at some point, as they agonize over some
unknown. This can make the first boat project take a
long time. One of the first three boats I built was a
Glen-L canoe. Not much of a boat, but unlike the
first boat I built that took almost six months, I ran
into no problems, and finished it in 2 days. That was
a tremendous confidence builder.
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Hey folks,<BR>
I'm psyching myself up to begin my first boat. What
would you <BR>
recommend to a first time builder? Since I'm a
beginner I <BR>
obviously need something to build my skills with and a
design to <BR>
move me up the learning curve.<BR>
<BR>
In the groups opinion what would be a better first
plan, the diablo <BR>
or the pointy skiff?<BR>
<BR>
Reed Munson<BR>
South St. Paul, MN<BR>
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Reed,
I have built and own both.
pointy skiff is definately used 10 times more than the diablo.
Diablo is a gas to ride in, but not appreciated by others at slow
speeds due to its wake. It is very light and has a tendency to blow
around a lot.
You could build the pointy skiff for around $250 including oars, and
it will sit on a roof rack easily.
Diablo will cost twice that, and still need a motor. I use a 10 hp
Johnson longshaft motor that gets her up on plane with two adults
aboard. The two cycle motor works better than the four. You will
also need a trailer.
In other words, in the same time that it takes you to decide what
boat to build, you could have a Pointy Skiff built and in the water!
I use a small electric trolling motor on my pointy skiff. We have
caught a lot of fish this way. The electric just does not work well
on Diablo.
If you do a lot of solo rowing, go for the Nymph. It rows better
and tracks better than Pointy.
Happy Building,
David JOst
I have built and own both.
pointy skiff is definately used 10 times more than the diablo.
Diablo is a gas to ride in, but not appreciated by others at slow
speeds due to its wake. It is very light and has a tendency to blow
around a lot.
You could build the pointy skiff for around $250 including oars, and
it will sit on a roof rack easily.
Diablo will cost twice that, and still need a motor. I use a 10 hp
Johnson longshaft motor that gets her up on plane with two adults
aboard. The two cycle motor works better than the four. You will
also need a trailer.
In other words, in the same time that it takes you to decide what
boat to build, you could have a Pointy Skiff built and in the water!
I use a small electric trolling motor on my pointy skiff. We have
caught a lot of fish this way. The electric just does not work well
on Diablo.
If you do a lot of solo rowing, go for the Nymph. It rows better
and tracks better than Pointy.
Happy Building,
David JOst
Unless you've got a ten to twenty-five horse outboard sitting around,
start with Pointy. You'll be very frustrated by Diablo if you have to
wait to purchase a suitable pre-owned motor or worse having to pay
$2000 for a new one. You'll need a trailer, too.
Pointy will get you on the water a lot faster if don't have those
things or the wherewithal to buy them right away. Instant
gratification is a good thing after all. Otherwise, why does
everybody seek it?
I built a power boat that was ready to go in July of this year. Motor
troubles kept us from using the boat until last month.
JB in Kennesaw
http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com/boatyard.htm
start with Pointy. You'll be very frustrated by Diablo if you have to
wait to purchase a suitable pre-owned motor or worse having to pay
$2000 for a new one. You'll need a trailer, too.
Pointy will get you on the water a lot faster if don't have those
things or the wherewithal to buy them right away. Instant
gratification is a good thing after all. Otherwise, why does
everybody seek it?
I built a power boat that was ready to go in July of this year. Motor
troubles kept us from using the boat until last month.
JB in Kennesaw
http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com/boatyard.htm
Don't know about the group's, but here's my opinion.
These two boats are intended for quite different use -- the pointy skiff is
better suited to rowing or a very small motor at displacement speeds (slow).
Diablo can take more power, and will get up on plane (fast). You should
choose the one likely to give the most satisfaction, and learn the building
skills needed.
Having said that, the pointy skiff can be built without epoxy or other
resin. That means you will only have to learn boatbuilding, instead of
boatbuilding and glass/epoxy work all at once. It will be cheaper to build,
and non-toxic. This last thing (non-toxic) is nice because you can build in
winter in your warm basement (be sure you can get it out the door after) and
have small kids help, if they want.
The nicest thing about working with glass and epoxy is when you stop.
However, to go back to my first point, pick the boat you want first --
you'll pick up the skills as you go, either way. Read Payson's books,
"Instant Boats" and The New Instant Boats", to compare methods. I've built
boats both ways, using these books.
Good luck!
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: Reed Munson [mailto:emailreed@...]
Sent: November 20, 2001 1:12 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] pointy skiff vs. diablo
Hey folks,
I'm psyching myself up to begin my first boat. What would you
recommend to a first time builder? Since I'm a beginner I
obviously need something to build my skills with and a design to
move me up the learning curve.
In the groups opinion what would be a better first plan, the diablo
or the pointy skiff?
Reed Munson
South St. Paul, MN
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These two boats are intended for quite different use -- the pointy skiff is
better suited to rowing or a very small motor at displacement speeds (slow).
Diablo can take more power, and will get up on plane (fast). You should
choose the one likely to give the most satisfaction, and learn the building
skills needed.
Having said that, the pointy skiff can be built without epoxy or other
resin. That means you will only have to learn boatbuilding, instead of
boatbuilding and glass/epoxy work all at once. It will be cheaper to build,
and non-toxic. This last thing (non-toxic) is nice because you can build in
winter in your warm basement (be sure you can get it out the door after) and
have small kids help, if they want.
The nicest thing about working with glass and epoxy is when you stop.
However, to go back to my first point, pick the boat you want first --
you'll pick up the skills as you go, either way. Read Payson's books,
"Instant Boats" and The New Instant Boats", to compare methods. I've built
boats both ways, using these books.
Good luck!
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: Reed Munson [mailto:emailreed@...]
Sent: November 20, 2001 1:12 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] pointy skiff vs. diablo
Hey folks,
I'm psyching myself up to begin my first boat. What would you
recommend to a first time builder? Since I'm a beginner I
obviously need something to build my skills with and a design to
move me up the learning curve.
In the groups opinion what would be a better first plan, the diablo
or the pointy skiff?
Reed Munson
South St. Paul, MN
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Hey folks,
I'm psyching myself up to begin my first boat. What would you
recommend to a first time builder? Since I'm a beginner I
obviously need something to build my skills with and a design to
move me up the learning curve.
In the groups opinion what would be a better first plan, the diablo
or the pointy skiff?
Reed Munson
South St. Paul, MN
I'm psyching myself up to begin my first boat. What would you
recommend to a first time builder? Since I'm a beginner I
obviously need something to build my skills with and a design to
move me up the learning curve.
In the groups opinion what would be a better first plan, the diablo
or the pointy skiff?
Reed Munson
South St. Paul, MN