Re: [bolger] to: Jamie Orr
This was discussed last month. My view is that the
fisherman/clam skiff boats are better for the kind of
stability that modern anglers expect. you know we
aren't talking On Golden Pond anymore, where people
just stay rooted to the middle of their seats. People
move arround a boat agressively . If the boat is
going to jump if you try to operate a bow mounted
motor or whatever, it isn't ideal. I went to the
extent of designing/making a catamaran to give me the
light weight and low resistance I want, with good
stability and little noise to the fish.
On the other hand, a guy who has a Diablo said its
stability was fine - heck she firms up nicely when the
gunnel hits the water. Which, sincerely, proved both
our points. I built a Nymph (same sort of boat as
Diablo), and I would build a Diablo, but I would NOT
expect much initial stability (in any direction). I
mean to her credit, she would probably be better in
some rough water conditions etc... But people don't
talk about fishing boats anymore they talk about
fishing platforms. Keep in mind the Johnboat idea,
small and stable, and flat. In fact you can fish from
an elgant punt, a small flat bottom tender by bolger.
Mine rocks a bit fore and aft, but at least it isn't
unstable in all directions.
--- James Fuller <james@...> wrote:
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Jamie<BR>
I too have been thinking about building the Diablo to
use for<BR>
a fishing boat. Do you think that it would be
tender to walk<BR>
around on? I am also looking at Michalak's
Johnsboat. The<BR>
Johnsbat would be a lot easier to build but the Diablo
would<BR>
pbobably give far better performance on the 15 hp
motor that<BR>
I have.<BR>
james<BR>
<BR>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: Orr, Jamie <BR>
To: 'bolger@yahoogroups.com' <BR>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:30 PM<BR>
Subject: RE: [bolger] pointy skiff vs.
diablo<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Don't know about the group's, but here's my
opinion.<BR>
<BR>
These two boats are intended for quite
different use -- the pointy skiff is<BR>
better suited to rowing or a very small motor
at displacement speeds (slow).<BR>
Diablo can take more power, and will get up on
plane (fast). You should<BR>
choose the one likely to give the most
satisfaction, and learn the building<BR>
skills needed.<BR>
<BR>
Having said that, the pointy skiff can be built
without epoxy or other<BR>
resin. That means you will only have to
learn boatbuilding, instead of<BR>
boatbuilding and glass/epoxy work all at
once. It will be cheaper to build,<BR>
and non-toxic. This last thing
(non-toxic) is nice because you can build in<BR>
winter in your warm basement (be sure you can
get it out the door after) and<BR>
have small kids help, if they want.<BR>
<BR>
The nicest thing about working with glass and
epoxy is when you stop.<BR>
However, to go back to my first point, pick the
boat you want first --<BR>
you'll pick up the skills as you go, either
way. Read Payson's books,<BR>
"Instant Boats" and The New Instant
Boats", to compare methods. I've built<BR>
boats both ways, using these books.<BR>
<BR>
Good luck!<BR>
<BR>
Jamie Orr<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Reed Munson
[mailto:emailreed@...]<BR>
Sent: November 20, 2001 1:12 PM<BR>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<BR>
Subject: [bolger] pointy skiff vs. diablo<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Hey folks,<BR>
I'm psyching myself up to begin my first boat.
What would you <BR>
recommend to a first time builder? Since I'm a
beginner I <BR>
obviously need something to build my skills
with and a design to <BR>
move me up the learning curve.<BR>
<BR>
In the groups opinion what would be a better
first plan, the diablo <BR>
or the pointy skiff?<BR>
<BR>
Reed Munson<BR>
South St. Paul, MN<BR>
<BR>
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fisherman/clam skiff boats are better for the kind of
stability that modern anglers expect. you know we
aren't talking On Golden Pond anymore, where people
just stay rooted to the middle of their seats. People
move arround a boat agressively . If the boat is
going to jump if you try to operate a bow mounted
motor or whatever, it isn't ideal. I went to the
extent of designing/making a catamaran to give me the
light weight and low resistance I want, with good
stability and little noise to the fish.
On the other hand, a guy who has a Diablo said its
stability was fine - heck she firms up nicely when the
gunnel hits the water. Which, sincerely, proved both
our points. I built a Nymph (same sort of boat as
Diablo), and I would build a Diablo, but I would NOT
expect much initial stability (in any direction). I
mean to her credit, she would probably be better in
some rough water conditions etc... But people don't
talk about fishing boats anymore they talk about
fishing platforms. Keep in mind the Johnboat idea,
small and stable, and flat. In fact you can fish from
an elgant punt, a small flat bottom tender by bolger.
Mine rocks a bit fore and aft, but at least it isn't
unstable in all directions.
--- James Fuller <james@...> wrote:
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Jamie<BR>
I too have been thinking about building the Diablo to
use for<BR>
a fishing boat. Do you think that it would be
tender to walk<BR>
around on? I am also looking at Michalak's
Johnsboat. The<BR>
Johnsbat would be a lot easier to build but the Diablo
would<BR>
pbobably give far better performance on the 15 hp
motor that<BR>
I have.<BR>
james<BR>
<BR>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: Orr, Jamie <BR>
To: 'bolger@yahoogroups.com' <BR>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:30 PM<BR>
Subject: RE: [bolger] pointy skiff vs.
diablo<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Don't know about the group's, but here's my
opinion.<BR>
<BR>
These two boats are intended for quite
different use -- the pointy skiff is<BR>
better suited to rowing or a very small motor
at displacement speeds (slow).<BR>
Diablo can take more power, and will get up on
plane (fast). You should<BR>
choose the one likely to give the most
satisfaction, and learn the building<BR>
skills needed.<BR>
<BR>
Having said that, the pointy skiff can be built
without epoxy or other<BR>
resin. That means you will only have to
learn boatbuilding, instead of<BR>
boatbuilding and glass/epoxy work all at
once. It will be cheaper to build,<BR>
and non-toxic. This last thing
(non-toxic) is nice because you can build in<BR>
winter in your warm basement (be sure you can
get it out the door after) and<BR>
have small kids help, if they want.<BR>
<BR>
The nicest thing about working with glass and
epoxy is when you stop.<BR>
However, to go back to my first point, pick the
boat you want first --<BR>
you'll pick up the skills as you go, either
way. Read Payson's books,<BR>
"Instant Boats" and The New Instant
Boats", to compare methods. I've built<BR>
boats both ways, using these books.<BR>
<BR>
Good luck!<BR>
<BR>
Jamie Orr<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Reed Munson
[mailto:emailreed@...]<BR>
Sent: November 20, 2001 1:12 PM<BR>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<BR>
Subject: [bolger] pointy skiff vs. diablo<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Hey folks,<BR>
I'm psyching myself up to begin my first boat.
What would you <BR>
recommend to a first time builder? Since I'm a
beginner I <BR>
obviously need something to build my skills
with and a design to <BR>
move me up the learning curve.<BR>
<BR>
In the groups opinion what would be a better
first plan, the diablo <BR>
or the pointy skiff?<BR>
<BR>
Reed Munson<BR>
South St. Paul, MN<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Jamie
I too have been thinking about building the Diablo to use for
a fishing boat. Do you think that it would be tender to walk
around on? I am also looking at Michalak's Johnsboat. The
Johnsbat would be a lot easier to build but the Diablo would
pbobably give far better performance on the 15 hp motor that
I have.
james
I too have been thinking about building the Diablo to use for
a fishing boat. Do you think that it would be tender to walk
around on? I am also looking at Michalak's Johnsboat. The
Johnsbat would be a lot easier to build but the Diablo would
pbobably give far better performance on the 15 hp motor that
I have.
james
----- Original Message -----
From: Orr, Jamie
To: 'bolger@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: [bolger] pointy skiff vs. diablo
Don't know about the group's, but here's my opinion.
These two boats are intended for quite different use -- the pointy skiff is
better suited to rowing or a very small motor at displacement speeds (slow).
Diablo can take more power, and will get up on plane (fast). You should
choose the one likely to give the most satisfaction, and learn the building
skills needed.
Having said that, the pointy skiff can be built without epoxy or other
resin. That means you will only have to learn boatbuilding, instead of
boatbuilding and glass/epoxy work all at once. It will be cheaper to build,
and non-toxic. This last thing (non-toxic) is nice because you can build in
winter in your warm basement (be sure you can get it out the door after) and
have small kids help, if they want.
The nicest thing about working with glass and epoxy is when you stop.
However, to go back to my first point, pick the boat you want first --
you'll pick up the skills as you go, either way. Read Payson's books,
"Instant Boats" and The New Instant Boats", to compare methods. I've built
boats both ways, using these books.
Good luck!
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: Reed Munson [mailto:emailreed@...]
Sent: November 20, 2001 1:12 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] pointy skiff vs. diablo
Hey folks,
I'm psyching myself up to begin my first boat. What would you
recommend to a first time builder? Since I'm a beginner I
obviously need something to build my skills with and a design to
move me up the learning curve.
In the groups opinion what would be a better first plan, the diablo
or the pointy skiff?
Reed Munson
South St. Paul, MN
Bolger rules!!!
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Whoops! I didn't mean to mislead anyone. I didn't mean I had built both
these boats -- I used both methods, but the boats I built were the elegant
punt (same method as the pointy skiff), and chebacco (same method as
diablo.)
I don't have personal knowledge of diablo, so I'm not the best guy to ask.
(But if I had a 15 hp motor that needed a boat, diablo is what I'd build,
based on Payson's writing.)
Sorry 'bout that,
Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From: James Fuller [mailto:james@...]
Sent: November 20, 2001 2:49 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] to: Jamie Orr
Jamie
I too have been thinking about building the Diablo to use for
a fishing boat. Do you think that it would be tender to walk
around on? I am also looking at Michalak's Johnsboat. The
Johnsbat would be a lot easier to build but the Diablo would
pbobably give far better performance on the 15 hp motor that
I have.
james
these boats -- I used both methods, but the boats I built were the elegant
punt (same method as the pointy skiff), and chebacco (same method as
diablo.)
I don't have personal knowledge of diablo, so I'm not the best guy to ask.
(But if I had a 15 hp motor that needed a boat, diablo is what I'd build,
based on Payson's writing.)
Sorry 'bout that,
Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From: James Fuller [mailto:james@...]
Sent: November 20, 2001 2:49 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] to: Jamie Orr
Jamie
I too have been thinking about building the Diablo to use for
a fishing boat. Do you think that it would be tender to walk
around on? I am also looking at Michalak's Johnsboat. The
Johnsbat would be a lot easier to build but the Diablo would
pbobably give far better performance on the 15 hp motor that
I have.
james
----- Original Message -----
From: Orr, Jamie
To: 'bolger@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: [bolger] pointy skiff vs. diablo
Don't know about the group's, but here's my opinion.
These two boats are intended for quite different use -- the pointy skiff
is
better suited to rowing or a very small motor at displacement speeds
(slow).
Diablo can take more power, and will get up on plane (fast). You should
choose the one likely to give the most satisfaction, and learn the
building
skills needed.
Having said that, the pointy skiff can be built without epoxy or other
resin. That means you will only have to learn boatbuilding, instead of
boatbuilding and glass/epoxy work all at once. It will be cheaper to
build,
and non-toxic. This last thing (non-toxic) is nice because you can build
in
winter in your warm basement (be sure you can get it out the door after)
and
have small kids help, if they want.
The nicest thing about working with glass and epoxy is when you stop.
However, to go back to my first point, pick the boat you want first --
you'll pick up the skills as you go, either way. Read Payson's books,
"Instant Boats" and The New Instant Boats", to compare methods. I've
built
boats both ways, using these books.
Good luck!
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: Reed Munson [mailto:emailreed@...]
Sent: November 20, 2001 1:12 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] pointy skiff vs. diablo
Hey folks,
I'm psyching myself up to begin my first boat. What would you
recommend to a first time builder? Since I'm a beginner I
obviously need something to build my skills with and a design to
move me up the learning curve.
In the groups opinion what would be a better first plan, the diablo
or the pointy skiff?
Reed Munson
South St. Paul, MN
Bolger rules!!!
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