Re: Kilz Total One?
if the paint ever froze, that explains it right there. latex paint becomes junk when it freezes. i
tried to use some latex house paint that had frozen (it was brand new) and it didn't get hard. 1 week at
70 degrees and it never got so i couldn't scrape it off with a fingernail.....
Richard
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:47:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@...>
Subject: Re: Kilz Total One?
Thanks, Cris--that was my first thought, too, but it
didn't stick on a small previously-painted surface, or
even on one small area of bare white oak. I have
scraped and repainted two small portions with Kilz II
(the standard Kilz latex), one with and one without
scubing the epoxy suface, and it has stuck well to
both. I guess there is nothing for it but to
scap/sand the whole area and repaint. The Kilz Total
One had been in its half-empty gallon can for at least
a year, maybe two, and maybe that explains
it--nevertheless, I'll stick to Kills II from now on.
Sam
--- Chris Crandall <crandall@...> wrote:
tried to use some latex house paint that had frozen (it was brand new) and it didn't get hard. 1 week at
70 degrees and it never got so i couldn't scrape it off with a fingernail.....
Richard
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:47:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@...>
Subject: Re: Kilz Total One?
Thanks, Cris--that was my first thought, too, but it
didn't stick on a small previously-painted surface, or
even on one small area of bare white oak. I have
scraped and repainted two small portions with Kilz II
(the standard Kilz latex), one with and one without
scubing the epoxy suface, and it has stuck well to
both. I guess there is nothing for it but to
scap/sand the whole area and repaint. The Kilz Total
One had been in its half-empty gallon can for at least
a year, maybe two, and maybe that explains
it--nevertheless, I'll stick to Kills II from now on.
Sam
--- Chris Crandall <crandall@...> wrote:
>
>
> I don't know this primer, but I've used both the
> shellac-based and the
> water-based versions of KILZ, and verymuchliked them
> both, and had very
> good experience with them.
>
> I am wondering if you left some blush on underneath?
> Doesn't sound like
> it, but it's possible--and nothing can stick on
> blush.
>
>
On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Sam Glasscock wrote:
> One had been in its half-empty gallon can for at least a year, maybeThanks for the heads-up. I'll let others experiment with this one.
> two, and maybe that explains it--nevertheless, I'll stick to Kills II
> from now on.
Thanks, Cris--that was my first thought, too, but it
didn't stick on a small previously-painted surface, or
even on one small area of bare white oak. I have
scraped and repainted two small portions with Kilz II
(the standard Kilz latex), one with and one without
scubing the epoxy suface, and it has stuck well to
both. I guess there is nothing for it but to
scap/sand the whole area and repaint. The Kilz Total
One had been in its half-empty gallon can for at least
a year, maybe two, and maybe that explains
it--nevertheless, I'll stick to Kills II from now on.
Sam
--- Chris Crandall <crandall@...> wrote:
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didn't stick on a small previously-painted surface, or
even on one small area of bare white oak. I have
scraped and repainted two small portions with Kilz II
(the standard Kilz latex), one with and one without
scubing the epoxy suface, and it has stuck well to
both. I guess there is nothing for it but to
scap/sand the whole area and repaint. The Kilz Total
One had been in its half-empty gallon can for at least
a year, maybe two, and maybe that explains
it--nevertheless, I'll stick to Kills II from now on.
Sam
--- Chris Crandall <crandall@...> wrote:
>__________________________________________________
>
> I don't know this primer, but I've used both the
> shellac-based and the
> water-based versions of KILZ, and verymuchliked them
> both, and had very
> good experience with them.
>
> I am wondering if you left some blush on underneath?
> Doesn't sound like
> it, but it's possible--and nothing can stick on
> blush.
>
>
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On 25 Nov 2001, at 15:30, Harry James wrote:
you are absolutely right, the big catamaran coming together in
alaska does deserve further comment.
why dont you make it the point of your next posting? ;-)
otherwise, I agree 100%.
hannes
>harry,
> I had previously arranged to visit Fritz
> K. to take a look at the Double Eagle, the Bolger Catamaran that he is building. He is doing an
> excellent job, and deserves further comment, but that is not the point of this posting.
>
you are absolutely right, the big catamaran coming together in
alaska does deserve further comment.
why dont you make it the point of your next posting? ;-)
otherwise, I agree 100%.
hannes
On Sat, 24 Nov 2001, Sam Glasscock wrote:
water-based versions of KILZ, and verymuchliked them both, and had very
good experience with them.
I am wondering if you left some blush on underneath? Doesn't sound like
it, but it's possible--and nothing can stick on blush.
> I recently applied a latex primer, "KILZ Total One" water based, onI don't know this primer, but I've used both the shellac-based and the
> the topsides of a new hull, on fir ply covered with glass in epoxy
> (horizontal surfaces) and epoxy alone (vertical surfaces) sanded w/ 60
> grit. This is suposed to be a "same-day topcoat" primer. It is still
> slightly tacky after seven days. Worse, I can scape it off with a
> fingernail.
water-based versions of KILZ, and verymuchliked them both, and had very
good experience with them.
I am wondering if you left some blush on underneath? Doesn't sound like
it, but it's possible--and nothing can stick on blush.
This next little rave has been building for a while. Peter was the trigger.
A year or so ago I was sitting on the ground for a while at Gustavus airport (HQ for Glacier Bay
National Park). I knew that I would have some time there so I had previously arranged to visit Fritz
K. to take a look at the Double Eagle, the Bolger Catamaran that he is building. He is doing an
excellent job, and deserves further comment, but that is not the point of this posting.
As I thumbed through Fritz's plans, page after page of Bolger's art, I looked at the plan number
#646. I have, as have many in this group, dabbled at boat design. I have drafting tools, and I also
play with a couple of CAD programs. It would take me a long time to generate just one of those pages,
and the artistry would not be now, nor would it ever be in the same league. Not in a multitude of
lifetimes could I get to #646.
Yet Bolger in one life time has gotten close to #700. Most of the time he has been a one man show. In
addition to this unbelievable output of boat art, he has written 5 books on design, and one novel.
The books on design, are some of the best reading on the subject available. The only books that I
have that I have reread as much are my Arthur Ransome books, and CS Forester's Hornblower series.
In the Preface for Different Boats, Mr. Bolger gives a short discussion of his design process. On
the way to a finished design there has been an incredible number of sketches and more complete
proposals that have been abandoned by either Mr. Bolger or a customer. A design doesn't get a number
until he has done the offsets. PCB's waste basket contains an output that most would be proud to
claim as their finished work.
And that's not all. Mr. Bolger is a prolific letter writer. His communications with his customer's
reflect the same intelligence and humor that his book's do. Many of those near 700 designs have a
voluminous correspondence to go with them. His collected letters would probably take up more room on
the bookshelf than the Encyclopedia Britannica.
So in one lifetime, still going strong,, Mr. Bolger has poured forth this creative waterfall. From
the Brick to the Rose, his output in both quality and quantity are hard to comprehend from a normal
life. I view him the same way as I viewed Michael Jordan in an NBA Championship Game. I know I am
seeing greatness and I know I can't duplicate what I am seeing, but still
I want to be like Phil
HJ
ellengaest@...wrote:
A year or so ago I was sitting on the ground for a while at Gustavus airport (HQ for Glacier Bay
National Park). I knew that I would have some time there so I had previously arranged to visit Fritz
K. to take a look at the Double Eagle, the Bolger Catamaran that he is building. He is doing an
excellent job, and deserves further comment, but that is not the point of this posting.
As I thumbed through Fritz's plans, page after page of Bolger's art, I looked at the plan number
#646. I have, as have many in this group, dabbled at boat design. I have drafting tools, and I also
play with a couple of CAD programs. It would take me a long time to generate just one of those pages,
and the artistry would not be now, nor would it ever be in the same league. Not in a multitude of
lifetimes could I get to #646.
Yet Bolger in one life time has gotten close to #700. Most of the time he has been a one man show. In
addition to this unbelievable output of boat art, he has written 5 books on design, and one novel.
The books on design, are some of the best reading on the subject available. The only books that I
have that I have reread as much are my Arthur Ransome books, and CS Forester's Hornblower series.
In the Preface for Different Boats, Mr. Bolger gives a short discussion of his design process. On
the way to a finished design there has been an incredible number of sketches and more complete
proposals that have been abandoned by either Mr. Bolger or a customer. A design doesn't get a number
until he has done the offsets. PCB's waste basket contains an output that most would be proud to
claim as their finished work.
And that's not all. Mr. Bolger is a prolific letter writer. His communications with his customer's
reflect the same intelligence and humor that his book's do. Many of those near 700 designs have a
voluminous correspondence to go with them. His collected letters would probably take up more room on
the bookshelf than the Encyclopedia Britannica.
So in one lifetime, still going strong,, Mr. Bolger has poured forth this creative waterfall. From
the Brick to the Rose, his output in both quality and quantity are hard to comprehend from a normal
life. I view him the same way as I viewed Michael Jordan in an NBA Championship Game. I know I am
seeing greatness and I know I can't duplicate what I am seeing, but still
I want to be like Phil
HJ
ellengaest@...wrote:
>
> To the best of my knowledge,there is as yet no complete list of
> his work published.Shame really,especially when one considers the
> rather narrow opinion some have of him ie;he only designs ugly square
> freak boats.
> The web site,when it arrives,is going to be something else.Bolger
> has over 600 designs to his credit! I do not recall where I read/heard
> this,but he may be the only living/working designer around with so
> many designs! Not everyone necessarily likes ALL of his designs
> but,then again,they were not designed for anyone but the person who
> commissioned the design.
>
Hi Steve,
Unless you have spent at least the last quarter century reading
boating magazines like The National Fisherman,Small Boat
Journal(RIP),Messing About In Boats and own Phils 5 books on designs
and some of Dynamite Paysons books,well.........I can appreciate how
you feel.Don't worry about it.No one is really born obsessive,we just
become that way ;-)
To the best of my knowledge,there is as yet no complete list of
his work published.Shame really,especially when one considers the
rather narrow opinion some have of him ie;he only designs ugly square
freak boats.
The web site,when it arrives,is going to be something else.Bolger
has over 600 designs to his credit! I do not recall where I read/heard
this,but he may be the only living/working designer around with so
many designs! Not everyone necessarily likes ALL of his designs
but,then again,they were not designed for anyone but the person who
commissioned the design.
He is almost a living legend within the relatively obscure realm
of boat designers.I suspect too that he has contributed alot to the
rendering of boatbuilding,however simple,accessible for the masses.
We can only speculate now whether all his designs will appear on
their future webpage but until then we have this diverse group which
always pops up something"new",including scans of study prints.........
Welcome to the madness!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,proud builder of a few Bolger designs,from the shores of
the St.Lawrence..........
P.S. I like your Sneakeasy project.......gotta come to Lake Champlain
next year for the 2nd Annual Lake Champlain Bolger Messabout
Unless you have spent at least the last quarter century reading
boating magazines like The National Fisherman,Small Boat
Journal(RIP),Messing About In Boats and own Phils 5 books on designs
and some of Dynamite Paysons books,well.........I can appreciate how
you feel.Don't worry about it.No one is really born obsessive,we just
become that way ;-)
To the best of my knowledge,there is as yet no complete list of
his work published.Shame really,especially when one considers the
rather narrow opinion some have of him ie;he only designs ugly square
freak boats.
The web site,when it arrives,is going to be something else.Bolger
has over 600 designs to his credit! I do not recall where I read/heard
this,but he may be the only living/working designer around with so
many designs! Not everyone necessarily likes ALL of his designs
but,then again,they were not designed for anyone but the person who
commissioned the design.
He is almost a living legend within the relatively obscure realm
of boat designers.I suspect too that he has contributed alot to the
rendering of boatbuilding,however simple,accessible for the masses.
We can only speculate now whether all his designs will appear on
their future webpage but until then we have this diverse group which
always pops up something"new",including scans of study prints.........
Welcome to the madness!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,proud builder of a few Bolger designs,from the shores of
the St.Lawrence..........
P.S. I like your Sneakeasy project.......gotta come to Lake Champlain
next year for the 2nd Annual Lake Champlain Bolger Messabout
--- In bolger@y..., sneakeasy2000@y... wrote:
> I am new to the group and have wanted to ask the members a question!
> Is there anywhere published a complete list of Bolger designs???
> Some of the designs mentioned here I have not heard of. When I last
> communicated with PCB I expressed my frustration in this regard. He
> said he was also frustrated with it, apparently there is a Bolger
and
> Friends web site coming. I'm not sure what a "Fishcat" is!! Help!!
> Steve Bosquette
I am new to the group and have wanted to ask the members a question!
Is there anywhere published a complete list of Bolger designs???
Some of the designs mentioned here I have not heard of. When I last
communicated with PCB I expressed my frustration in this regard. He
said he was also frustrated with it, apparently there is a Bolger and
Friends web site coming. I'm not sure what a "Fishcat" is!! Help!!
Steve Bosquette
Is there anywhere published a complete list of Bolger designs???
Some of the designs mentioned here I have not heard of. When I last
communicated with PCB I expressed my frustration in this regard. He
said he was also frustrated with it, apparently there is a Bolger and
Friends web site coming. I'm not sure what a "Fishcat" is!! Help!!
Steve Bosquette
--- In bolger@y..., bgbeck55@y... wrote:
> Since BoD has come up, what Bolger Design that hasn't been
covered
> in a Bolger book or in BoD would you like to see given the
> BoD "treatment"? My vote is for the "Fishcat" design. I haven't
seen
> anything by Bolger in print regarding this design.
I recently applied a latex primer, "KILZ Total One"
water based, on the topsides of a new hull, on fir ply
covered with glass in epoxy (horizontal surfaces) and
epoxy alone (vertical surfaces) sanded w/ 60 grit. I
have not used this primer before. It was applied in
borderline conditions (the can calls for 60 degrees
plus, and it was applied about 60. The paint has been
on about a week, in both cooler weather and
temperatures up to the mid sixties.
This is suposed to be a "same-day topcoat" primer. It
is still slightly tacky after seven days. Worse, I
can scape it off with a fingernail. I have painted
several ply/epoxy boats with latex primers (other
brands) and never had this problem.
Has anyone been there before? Is this stuff likely to
harden up/ stick given time? If not, is there a fix
other than the obvious?
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water based, on the topsides of a new hull, on fir ply
covered with glass in epoxy (horizontal surfaces) and
epoxy alone (vertical surfaces) sanded w/ 60 grit. I
have not used this primer before. It was applied in
borderline conditions (the can calls for 60 degrees
plus, and it was applied about 60. The paint has been
on about a week, in both cooler weather and
temperatures up to the mid sixties.
This is suposed to be a "same-day topcoat" primer. It
is still slightly tacky after seven days. Worse, I
can scape it off with a fingernail. I have painted
several ply/epoxy boats with latex primers (other
brands) and never had this problem.
Has anyone been there before? Is this stuff likely to
harden up/ stick given time? If not, is there a fix
other than the obvious?
>__________________________________________________
>
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Since BoD has come up, what Bolger Design that hasn't been covered
in a Bolger book or in BoD would you like to see given the
BoD "treatment"? My vote is for the "Fishcat" design. I haven't seen
anything by Bolger in print regarding this design.
in a Bolger book or in BoD would you like to see given the
BoD "treatment"? My vote is for the "Fishcat" design. I haven't seen
anything by Bolger in print regarding this design.