Re: Scow Scooner

For all Scow Schooner fans out there.

Bolger took one to plans avaialble stage a year or two ago. His
design #501 for a 35' live aboard Scow Schooner was featured in
Messing About In Boats on May 15, 2001.

I've posted a scan of the page to the Bolger Scans file on Bolger2.
As of May '01 plans were $400 from PB&F.

Enjoy

Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com

I wouldn't argue with that.

In the mean time I am going to continue working on
creating the nautical historical artifacts of the
future, unless the dumpster catches up on them first.

--- Stuart Crawford <scrawford@...> wrote:

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I don't dispute the value in preserving the old and I
get your point about 
different paints and tool marks etc. The areas I'm
considering are things 
like an old scow that is being restored here which
will have virtually 
nothing of the original boat left when it is finished.
I think in this type 
of case it would be better to just preserve what is
left of the hull. And 
either build a new one from scratch to show what the
old one was like, or if 
that is to expensive, build a scale model. 
Another example is the replica of captain Cook's
Endeavor that was built in 
Australia. Although they used power tools throughout
there is still 500,000 
hours of labor in her. and while they used different
wood than the original 
(to increase life expectancy) they did manage keep it
remarkably similar to 
the original and give people the chance to learn a lot
more about the 
original than would would otherwise be possible. They
do also have a number 
of original things such as books that were on the
original Endeavor. 
 
I guess every one has got different ideas about the
best way of preserving 
the past. My point is just maybe some of the originals
could be preserved 
and some built new instead of all one or the
other. 
 
Stuart Crawford 
New Zealand 
 
on 9/12/01 2:40 PM, thomas dalzell at
proaconstrictor@...wrote:

> I agree with you completely The thing

about

> preservation is that it has its purpose

regardless of

> viabiliity. Scow scooners aren't viable

anymore, so

> the question is whether the history lesson is

better

> advanced by preserving the old or creating the

new.

> In the case of the mummies for instance,

newly

> mumified bodies would not tel the same

story. IN the

> case of old boats this also true, in terms of

paint

> samples tool marks, wood dna. 
> 
> Of course I am an occasional member of the

timber

> framers guild, and think it is great fun to go

arround

> building the new all over again.

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I don't dispute the value in preserving the old and I get your point about
different paints and tool marks etc. The areas I'm considering are things
like an old scow that is being restored here which will have virtually
nothing of the original boat left when it is finished. I think in this type
of case it would be better to just preserve what is left of the hull. And
either build a new one from scratch to show what the old one was like, or if
that is to expensive, build a scale model.
Another example is the replica of captain Cook's Endeavor that was built in
Australia. Although they used power tools throughout there is still 500,000
hours of labor in her. and while they used different wood than the original
(to increase life expectancy) they did manage keep it remarkably similar to
the original and give people the chance to learn a lot more about the
original than would would otherwise be possible. They do also have a number
of original things such as books that were on the original Endeavor.

I guess every one has got different ideas about the best way of preserving
the past. My point is just maybe some of the originals could be preserved
and some built new instead of all one or the other.

Stuart Crawford
New Zealand

on 9/12/01 2:40 PM, thomas dalzell atproaconstrictor@...wrote:

> I agree with you completely The thing about
> preservation is that it has its purpose regardless of
> viabiliity. Scow scooners aren't viable anymore, so
> the question is whether the history lesson is better
> advanced by preserving the old or creating the new.
> In the case of the mummies for instance, newly
> mumified bodies would not tel the same story. IN the
> case of old boats this also true, in terms of paint
> samples tool marks, wood dna.
>
> Of course I am an occasional member of the timber
> framers guild, and think it is great fun to go arround
> building the new all over again.

I agree with you completely The thing about
preservation is that it has its purpose regardless of
viabiliity. Scow scooners aren't viable anymore, so
the question is whether the history lesson is better
advanced by preserving the old or creating the new.
In the case of the mummies for instance, newly
mumified bodies would not tel the same story. IN the
case of old boats this also true, in terms of paint
samples tool marks, wood dna.

Of course I am an occasional member of the timber
framers guild, and think it is great fun to go arround
building the new all over again.
--- Stuart Crawford <scrawford@...> wrote:

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I think it is worth noting that boats generally have a
viable lifetime 
before it becomes cheaper to build a new, one rather
than try to restore an 
old one. While I like to see restored old boats,
perhaps we might see more 
of historical boats if some of the restoration funds
were channeled into new 
boats of old designs and perhaps preserve more of the
old boat building 
skills in the process. 
 
Stuart Crawford 
New Zealand 
 
on 8/12/01 8:30 AM, thomas dalzell at
proaconstrictor@...wrote:

> What a cool site and idea. I get scared

though when I

> see this stuff. There are already so many

fine old

> boats receiving insufficient care from the

public

> purse, that I wonder about creating more knew

ones of

> no particular historic value, while letting the

old

> ones rot. Anyway, wish I was there. 
>

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I think it is worth noting that boats generally have a viable lifetime
before it becomes cheaper to build a new, one rather than try to restore an
old one. While I like to see restored old boats, perhaps we might see more
of historical boats if some of the restoration funds were channeled into new
boats of old designs and perhaps preserve more of the old boat building
skills in the process.

Stuart Crawford
New Zealand

on 8/12/01 8:30 AM, thomas dalzell atproaconstrictor@...wrote:

> What a cool site and idea. I get scared though when I
> see this stuff. There are already so many fine old
> boats receiving insufficient care from the public
> purse, that I wonder about creating more knew ones of
> no particular historic value, while letting the old
> ones rot. Anyway, wish I was there.
>

What a cool site and idea. I get scared though when I
see this stuff. There are already so many fine old
boats receiving insufficient care from the public
purse, that I wonder about creating more knew ones of
no particular historic value, while letting the old
ones rot. Anyway, wish I was there.

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Not a Bolger design, but here is the URL of the Scow Schooner Project of
the Galveston and Trinity Bay Marine Museum
http://www.scowschooner.org/project.asp

They are building a replica of the Gulf Coast scow schooner from Chapelle's
"American Small Sailing Craft."

-Peter Belenky

On Thu, 6 Dec 2001henryclann@...wrote:

> Last night i fell into a site about "Alma" the scow schooner at the
> maritime museaum in San Francisco. That recalled to mind Chp. 41 in
> "Boats With an Open Mind". Does anyone know if the scow schoner was
> ever built?

Dunno about the Bolger boat, but I've been on the Alma, and seen her sail.
She's cool.

For the sake of completeness, I will note that PCB displayed a
leeboard scow-schooner design in MAIB sometime in the last year. As I
recall, it was bigger than the one in MWAOM.
Peter

Hi Larry
I had asked PCB a couple years ago how much plans were for the Scow
Schooner he responded that the design never got out of the concept
stage. I assume one hasn't been built yet. I really wanted to build
one. I ended up designing and building a 23 ft schooner instead.

Steve Bosquette

--- In bolger@y..., henryclann@a... wrote:
> Hello All!
>
> Last night i fell into a site about "Alma" the scow schooner at the
maritime
> museaum in San Francisco. That recalled to mind Chp. 41 in "Boats
With an
> Open Mind". Does anyone know if the scow schoner was ever built?
>
> She is beyond my financial resources at the moment, but she'd be
perfect for
> sailing on the Indian River Estuary, here in Brevard County Florida.
>
> I have some kind of strange fascination for sailing scows, Working
sharpies
> from the last centuary, and jon-boats & garveys.
>
> Just wondered!
>
> Larry Henry
> Palm Bay, Florida.
> <A
HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/henryclann/Boats/amatureboats.index.htm"
>The Careenage & Blue Lagoon, A page for Home Built Boats & Owners!
</A>
>
>
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Hello All!

Last night i fell into a site about "Alma" the scow schooner at the maritime
museaum in San Francisco. That recalled to mind Chp. 41 in "Boats With an
Open Mind". Does anyone know if the scow schoner was ever built?

She is beyond my financial resources at the moment, but she'd be perfect for
sailing on the Indian River Estuary, here in Brevard County Florida.

I have some kind of strange fascination for sailing scows, Working sharpies
from the last centuary, and jon-boats & garveys.

Just wondered!

Larry Henry
Palm Bay, Florida.
<A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/henryclann/Boats/amatureboats.index.htm">The Careenage & Blue Lagoon, A page for Home Built Boats & Owners!</A>

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