Magic Micro Episode Re: oldshoe
Garth I wrote the below last night but couldn't post before sleep
overtook me, and now I have to fly ... It may be redundant now...
- however I'm posting it as, unless the episodes go by different titles
in the USA, I believe you may not have chosen the one you're after...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...>
wrote:
A Goorect-the worst witch boat-angle conjure-box pops out:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00022EEEO?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=dealtime-
dvd-mp-20&linkCode=asn
After reading the customers review, and from memory, I believe the
episode might be "The Dragon's Hoard" as I vaguely remember this
reptillian looking guy, and a treasure chest carried aboard Le Stat.
Of course there were brooms, and a fast flowing, rocky-bottomed
stream. Now, if Diana Rigg had been in that tv episode shown here about
5 years ago, as well as the movie, I'd likely have at least 20 of 20/20
memory. A memorable (good) ship and the star to steer her by ;-)
(DR - as Mrs Emma Peel in the 60's "Avengers", in black leather
jumpsuit, during boyhood - probably never forget anything so
associated!)
Graeme
PS Yep, "Dragon's Hoard" it is:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0871804/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0871804/plotsummary
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0179061/episodes
PPS Be nice to see it on youtube again as finding my partial taped
segment would be difficult. :-)
overtook me, and now I have to fly ... It may be redundant now...
- however I'm posting it as, unless the episodes go by different titles
in the USA, I believe you may not have chosen the one you're after...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...>
wrote:
> I do not know if the show still runs, but it is/was calledConsult within a knowital search-box.
> THE WORST WITCH.
A Goorect-the worst witch boat-angle conjure-box pops out:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00022EEEO?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=dealtime-
dvd-mp-20&linkCode=asn
After reading the customers review, and from memory, I believe the
episode might be "The Dragon's Hoard" as I vaguely remember this
reptillian looking guy, and a treasure chest carried aboard Le Stat.
Of course there were brooms, and a fast flowing, rocky-bottomed
stream. Now, if Diana Rigg had been in that tv episode shown here about
5 years ago, as well as the movie, I'd likely have at least 20 of 20/20
memory. A memorable (good) ship and the star to steer her by ;-)
(DR - as Mrs Emma Peel in the 60's "Avengers", in black leather
jumpsuit, during boyhood - probably never forget anything so
associated!)
Graeme
PS Yep, "Dragon's Hoard" it is:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0871804/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0871804/plotsummary
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0179061/episodes
PPS Be nice to see it on youtube again as finding my partial taped
segment would be difficult. :-)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "GarthAB" <garth@...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@> wrote:
> > I do not know if the show still runs, but it is/was called THE
> > WORST WITCH.
>
>
> Thanks! I found it on Netflix. It's on the 2-disc set called "The
> Worst Witch: Up in the Air." Episode name is "Carried Away." As my two
> daughters are right in the target demographic for this show, I've
> happily placed it in my Netflix queue and hope to watch it sometime
> next week. It's for the kids, you see . . .
>
> Best,
> Garth
>
Dennis, I don't have an Oldshoe, but I think John Harris at CLCBoats has
one. I started the Oldshoe thread because I"ve really liked the Nymph
Cubed but PCB says "no". I think what I like about Nymph is the Lateen
sail rig and I"ve been trying to envision a lateen on an Oldshoe. I have
to find my plans and consider. I know I want something more simple than
a yawl rig. Clyde
lancasterdennis wrote:
one. I started the Oldshoe thread because I"ve really liked the Nymph
Cubed but PCB says "no". I think what I like about Nymph is the Lateen
sail rig and I"ve been trying to envision a lateen on an Oldshoe. I have
to find my plans and consider. I know I want something more simple than
a yawl rig. Clyde
lancasterdennis wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, Clyde[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Wisner <clydewis@...> wrote:
> >
> > Has anybody used or seen an alternate sail rig for the oldshoe?
> >
> Hi Clyde,
>
> I'm currently building an OLDSHOE... no, I have not seen an alternate
> sail rig. Why would you want to change it? If I were to make a
> change, I would be tempted to go with the Junk Rig... ease in reefing,
> possibly better to weather. Personally, I'm sticking with the design
> as is... suites me. How do you like your OLDSHOE?
>
> Regards,
>
> Dennis
> Bellingham, WA.
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
Worst Witch: Up in the Air." Episode name is "Carried Away." As my two
daughters are right in the target demographic for this show, I've
happily placed it in my Netflix queue and hope to watch it sometime
next week. It's for the kids, you see . . .
Best,
Garth
> I do not know if the show still runs, but it is/was called THEThanks! I found it on Netflix. It's on the 2-disc set called "The
> WORST WITCH.
Worst Witch: Up in the Air." Episode name is "Carried Away." As my two
daughters are right in the target demographic for this show, I've
happily placed it in my Netflix queue and hope to watch it sometime
next week. It's for the kids, you see . . .
Best,
Garth
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "GarthAB" <garth@...> wrote:
I do not know if the show still runs, but it is/was called THE
WORST WITCH. It is on YOUTUBE, in various segments.
I'm at work now and the "Thought Police" have blocked access to
Youtube. When I get home, I'll go digging for the shows where my boat
is used.
Somewhere back in time, I did write about the whole experience here
on the group. I'll take a look and see if I can find it again to hold
you over until I get the Youtube link up.Hopefully it won't bore too
many to death :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
> Peter --Hi Garth,
>
> You've been holding out on us! What is the show? Do you have it on
> DVD? Can we rent it from Netflix? Can you post some of it on YouTube?
> (Within "fair-use" limits, of course -- being a critical study of
> Bolger boat design and function. . . . ) This is just the sort of
> thing to tide us over till the end of winter. . . .
>
> All best,
> Garth
I do not know if the show still runs, but it is/was called THE
WORST WITCH. It is on YOUTUBE, in various segments.
I'm at work now and the "Thought Police" have blocked access to
Youtube. When I get home, I'll go digging for the shows where my boat
is used.
Somewhere back in time, I did write about the whole experience here
on the group. I'll take a look and see if I can find it again to hold
you over until I get the Youtube link up.Hopefully it won't bore too
many to death :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
-
Asking $5K for an OldShoe is not unreasonable. I'll have more than
that into my Shoe by the time she is completed. $20K to have
professionally built is not out of line either. I like the pointed
bow.. nice modification.
Fairwinds,
Dennis
Bellingham, WA.
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
Asking $5K for an OldShoe is not unreasonable. I'll have more than
that into my Shoe by the time she is completed. $20K to have
professionally built is not out of line either. I like the pointed
bow.. nice modification.
Fairwinds,
Dennis
Bellingham, WA.
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
>to
> Asking $5k for an Oldshoe: "(replica of 18th Century Oyster Smack)(is
> that due to the pointy bow mod???)... Good luck...she's a beauty and
> build/design a new one is in excess of $20k (!!!)."
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&rd=1&item=220207704538&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012
>
>http://preview.tinyurl.com/2kpufr
>
>http://tinyurl.com/2kpufr
>
> Graeme
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
You've been holding out on us! What is the show? Do you have it on
DVD? Can we rent it from Netflix? Can you post some of it on YouTube?
(Within "fair-use" limits, of course -- being a critical study of
Bolger boat design and function. . . . ) This is just the sort of
thing to tide us over till the end of winter. . . .
All best,
Garth
> When I had my Micro, I was approached and asked if the boat could bePeter --
> used for filming in a British TV childrens series.
You've been holding out on us! What is the show? Do you have it on
DVD? Can we rent it from Netflix? Can you post some of it on YouTube?
(Within "fair-use" limits, of course -- being a critical study of
Bolger boat design and function. . . . ) This is just the sort of
thing to tide us over till the end of winter. . . .
All best,
Garth
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
I suppose that plot development could also have been magic ;-)
Graeme
> but I must say a cheque for $41,000.00 dollars would have beenPeter,
> really sweet had the boat been destroyed during the actual
> filming:-)
I suppose that plot development could also have been magic ;-)
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Grome <bagacayboatworks@...>
wrote:
used for filming in a British TV childrens series.The film company
insisted that the crew here in Canada obtain replacement insurance
for the boat. I then had to go out and find a boat shop to get a
quote on what it would cost to build a new one.
Upon reviewing the plans, along with my material list, they gave me
a written quote of $41,000.00 CAN. which broke down roughly to
$6,000.00 for materials and 1000 hrs at a shop rate of $35.00/hr.
Were they estimating too high on materials? I do not think so as
that is what it cost me in materials. Were they over estimating in
hours? Perhaps, as I would imagine a pro shop to be somewhat quicker
then myself when I built her. On the other hand, they may have
simply not been all that keen to build a Micro and figured a highj
estimate would discourage me.
In the end it didn't really matter since it was the written quote
that I was after to hand over to the film company for their
insurance papers. Sadly(or perhaps not) the boat came to no harm
during filming, but I must say a cheque for $41,000.00 dollars would
have been really sweet had the boat been destroyed during the actual
filming:-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
wrote:
>building a
> > Asking $5k for an Oldshoe ... and to build/design
> > a new one is in excess of $20k.
>
> Design fees could be any amount you feel like claiming, but
> simple boat like Old Shoe would in no way cost $20,000, even ifbuilt
> in the USA with American labor at regular rates. Sounds likeWhen I had my Micro, I was approached and asked if the boat could be
> advertising hype to me.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ken Grome
> Bagacay Boatworks
> www.bagacayboatworks.com
used for filming in a British TV childrens series.The film company
insisted that the crew here in Canada obtain replacement insurance
for the boat. I then had to go out and find a boat shop to get a
quote on what it would cost to build a new one.
Upon reviewing the plans, along with my material list, they gave me
a written quote of $41,000.00 CAN. which broke down roughly to
$6,000.00 for materials and 1000 hrs at a shop rate of $35.00/hr.
Were they estimating too high on materials? I do not think so as
that is what it cost me in materials. Were they over estimating in
hours? Perhaps, as I would imagine a pro shop to be somewhat quicker
then myself when I built her. On the other hand, they may have
simply not been all that keen to build a Micro and figured a highj
estimate would discourage me.
In the end it didn't really matter since it was the written quote
that I was after to hand over to the film company for their
insurance papers. Sadly(or perhaps not) the boat came to no harm
during filming, but I must say a cheque for $41,000.00 dollars would
have been really sweet had the boat been destroyed during the actual
filming:-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
> Asking $5k for an Oldshoe ... and to build/designDesign fees could be any amount you feel like claiming, but building a
> a new one is in excess of $20k.
simple boat like Old Shoe would in no way cost $20,000, even if built
in the USA with American labor at regular rates. Sounds like
advertising hype to me.
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
Asking $5k for an Oldshoe: "(replica of 18th Century Oyster Smack)(is
that due to the pointy bow mod???)... Good luck...she's a beauty and to
build/design a new one is in excess of $20k (!!!)."
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&rd=1&item=220207704538&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2kpufr
http://tinyurl.com/2kpufr
Graeme
that due to the pointy bow mod???)... Good luck...she's a beauty and to
build/design a new one is in excess of $20k (!!!)."
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&rd=1&item=220207704538&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2kpufr
http://tinyurl.com/2kpufr
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Clyde Wisner <clydewis@...> wrote:
I'm currently building an OLDSHOE... no, I have not seen an alternate
sail rig. Why would you want to change it? If I were to make a
change, I would be tempted to go with the Junk Rig... ease in reefing,
possibly better to weather. Personally, I'm sticking with the design
as is... suites me. How do you like your OLDSHOE?
Regards,
Dennis
Bellingham, WA.
>Hi Clyde,
> Has anybody used or seen an alternate sail rig for the oldshoe?
>
I'm currently building an OLDSHOE... no, I have not seen an alternate
sail rig. Why would you want to change it? If I were to make a
change, I would be tempted to go with the Junk Rig... ease in reefing,
possibly better to weather. Personally, I'm sticking with the design
as is... suites me. How do you like your OLDSHOE?
Regards,
Dennis
Bellingham, WA.
Has anybody used or seen an alternate sail rig for the oldshoe?
I owned an Oldshoe for about three years. Never had it out in
strenuous wind conditions, so not much to report there. Agree with
most of what you've heard about light-to-moderate. Although:
- did not notice significant leeway, but then I'm a "go-where-the-
wind-blows-you" kinda sailor.
- never bobbled "out of control" by waves or wake, although they did
tend to slam the brakes on forward progress for a moment
- I found that the mizzen is not only handy for balance and self-
steering, but also as a "reverse gear" when you grab the sprit and
yank it athwart (with the main sheeted in or furled).
strenuous wind conditions, so not much to report there. Agree with
most of what you've heard about light-to-moderate. Although:
- did not notice significant leeway, but then I'm a "go-where-the-
wind-blows-you" kinda sailor.
- never bobbled "out of control" by waves or wake, although they did
tend to slam the brakes on forward progress for a moment
- I found that the mizzen is not only handy for balance and self-
steering, but also as a "reverse gear" when you grab the sprit and
yank it athwart (with the main sheeted in or furled).
>pinched.
> Light to moderate wind: In a falling wind and motorboat chop, it
> becomes apparent that Oldshoe is a 12 foot long, flat bottom boat
> with a shallow keel. It makes a lot of leeway, especially if
> It will not sail particularly close to the wind. Short choppy wavesair,
> stop it, and it ends up bobbling around out of control. In light
> it is definitely under canvased. As the speed picks up, the shallowboat
> keel and rudder become more effective. Without the mizzen, the
> has a strong lee helm. As might be expected, the helm is easilyIt
> influenced by the mizzen and by the trim and loading of the boat.
> easily self-steers, but is very sensitive to trim, and makes a lotof
> leeway."Hmm.
>
>
> To me this is not a very glowing report. "Bobbling around".
> Anyone else have any first hand exposure?
I can't think of any 12' sail boats that do very well in light airs and
motorboat chop! We get a lot of that around here, that's one reason I've
gone to a powerboat myself. Bolger himself compared Hell having to sail with
less than 5 knots of breeze in a harbor shredded by powerboat wakes.
Oldshoe is what it is, a small, comfortable, shallow keelboat. Oldshoe makes
no pretense of being a weatherly high performance sailboat. Pop over to the
DinghyCruising group. I have a feeling you might find an Oldshoe
owner/builder there.
JB
motorboat chop! We get a lot of that around here, that's one reason I've
gone to a powerboat myself. Bolger himself compared Hell having to sail with
less than 5 knots of breeze in a harbor shredded by powerboat wakes.
Oldshoe is what it is, a small, comfortable, shallow keelboat. Oldshoe makes
no pretense of being a weatherly high performance sailboat. Pop over to the
DinghyCruising group. I have a feeling you might find an Oldshoe
owner/builder there.
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "kingfm" <king@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 4:16 PM
Subject: [bolger] oldshoe
| I have written a few people asking about OLDSHOE and no response. I
| also signed up for the group.... but no response. I wrote the
| administrator and the email bounced.
|
| Anyone want to share thoughts on OLDSHOE?
|
| On the web I have found pretty divergent views. One site says it is
| Bolger's best design. Another says...in edited form....
|
| "High Wind Performance: Oldshoe is a very tough boat. Sailing wing-
| and-wing down-wind, with full sail in a 20 knot wind & partially
| developed sea, the boat was clearly over pressed. The bow wave was
| covering the hole in the bow transom (I'd stuffed it a rags, to stop
| the flood) and stern wave slopping over the transom. The helm felt
| very light but did not lose control. In circumstances almost as bad,
| I've dived into a wave of solid water at least six inches over the
| bow. The boat does not noticeably flex, the spars do, but not so much
| as to be of concern. In a 25 knot wind, no waves (inside a
| breakwater), and one reef in the main, this boat is really fun.
| Everyone else is running for cover and I can go anywhere --
| singlehanded -- jibing and tacking with ease. If I want time to
| think, I flatten the mizzen, tie the tiller in the middle, and start
| the motor. Depending on the throttle setting, we move straight
| upwind, or slide straight backwards.
|
| Light to moderate wind: In a falling wind and motorboat chop, it
| becomes apparent that Oldshoe is a 12 foot long, flat bottom boat
| with a shallow keel. It makes a lot of leeway, especially if pinched.
| It will not sail particularly close to the wind. Short choppy waves
| stop it, and it ends up bobbling around out of control. In light air,
| it is definitely under canvased. As the speed picks up, the shallow
| keel and rudder become more effective. Without the mizzen, the boat
| has a strong lee helm. As might be expected, the helm is easily
| influenced by the mizzen and by the trim and loading of the boat. It
| easily self-steers, but is very sensitive to trim, and makes a lot of
| leeway."
|
|
| To me this is not a very glowing report. "Bobbling around". Hmm.
| Anyone else have any first hand exposure?
|
|
|
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I have written a few people asking about OLDSHOE and no response. I
also signed up for the group.... but no response. I wrote the
administrator and the email bounced.
Anyone want to share thoughts on OLDSHOE?
On the web I have found pretty divergent views. One site says it is
Bolger's best design. Another says...in edited form....
"High Wind Performance: Oldshoe is a very tough boat. Sailing wing-
and-wing down-wind, with full sail in a 20 knot wind & partially
developed sea, the boat was clearly over pressed. The bow wave was
covering the hole in the bow transom (I'd stuffed it a rags, to stop
the flood) and stern wave slopping over the transom. The helm felt
very light but did not lose control. In circumstances almost as bad,
I've dived into a wave of solid water at least six inches over the
bow. The boat does not noticeably flex, the spars do, but not so much
as to be of concern. In a 25 knot wind, no waves (inside a
breakwater), and one reef in the main, this boat is really fun.
Everyone else is running for cover and I can go anywhere --
singlehanded -- jibing and tacking with ease. If I want time to
think, I flatten the mizzen, tie the tiller in the middle, and start
the motor. Depending on the throttle setting, we move straight
upwind, or slide straight backwards.
Light to moderate wind: In a falling wind and motorboat chop, it
becomes apparent that Oldshoe is a 12 foot long, flat bottom boat
with a shallow keel. It makes a lot of leeway, especially if pinched.
It will not sail particularly close to the wind. Short choppy waves
stop it, and it ends up bobbling around out of control. In light air,
it is definitely under canvased. As the speed picks up, the shallow
keel and rudder become more effective. Without the mizzen, the boat
has a strong lee helm. As might be expected, the helm is easily
influenced by the mizzen and by the trim and loading of the boat. It
easily self-steers, but is very sensitive to trim, and makes a lot of
leeway."
To me this is not a very glowing report. "Bobbling around". Hmm.
Anyone else have any first hand exposure?
also signed up for the group.... but no response. I wrote the
administrator and the email bounced.
Anyone want to share thoughts on OLDSHOE?
On the web I have found pretty divergent views. One site says it is
Bolger's best design. Another says...in edited form....
"High Wind Performance: Oldshoe is a very tough boat. Sailing wing-
and-wing down-wind, with full sail in a 20 knot wind & partially
developed sea, the boat was clearly over pressed. The bow wave was
covering the hole in the bow transom (I'd stuffed it a rags, to stop
the flood) and stern wave slopping over the transom. The helm felt
very light but did not lose control. In circumstances almost as bad,
I've dived into a wave of solid water at least six inches over the
bow. The boat does not noticeably flex, the spars do, but not so much
as to be of concern. In a 25 knot wind, no waves (inside a
breakwater), and one reef in the main, this boat is really fun.
Everyone else is running for cover and I can go anywhere --
singlehanded -- jibing and tacking with ease. If I want time to
think, I flatten the mizzen, tie the tiller in the middle, and start
the motor. Depending on the throttle setting, we move straight
upwind, or slide straight backwards.
Light to moderate wind: In a falling wind and motorboat chop, it
becomes apparent that Oldshoe is a 12 foot long, flat bottom boat
with a shallow keel. It makes a lot of leeway, especially if pinched.
It will not sail particularly close to the wind. Short choppy waves
stop it, and it ends up bobbling around out of control. In light air,
it is definitely under canvased. As the speed picks up, the shallow
keel and rudder become more effective. Without the mizzen, the boat
has a strong lee helm. As might be expected, the helm is easily
influenced by the mizzen and by the trim and loading of the boat. It
easily self-steers, but is very sensitive to trim, and makes a lot of
leeway."
To me this is not a very glowing report. "Bobbling around". Hmm.
Anyone else have any first hand exposure?