Re: [bolger] Re: Chine Channel

I don't know, But I'll contact the sales rep monday and
find out.

James Fuller

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From: "dr01allen" <davidallen@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 11:04 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Chine Channel

>
>
> > I am a distributor for Strongwell traffic boxes and had
> > no Idea that they made other products.
> >
> > James Fuller
>
> can you get us a discount on grating?
>
> da
>
>
>
>
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> I am a distributor for Strongwell traffic boxes and had
> no Idea that they made other products.
>
> James Fuller

can you get us a discount on grating?

da

Strange!!
I am a distributor for Strongwell traffic boxes and had
no Idea that they made other products.

James Fuller

----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry W. James" <welshman@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Chine Channel

> Basically he shows that almost anything that is made in metal, such as
> angles, I beams, rods etc., are made in fiberglass also. He also goes
> into fiberglass gratings. He has used it in a bunch of neat ways
> including boat seats.
>
> The company he favors the most is Strongwell, but also mentions Creative
> Pultrusions (great name), Fibergrate, Seasafe, US Plastic Corp. and IKG
> Borden.
>
> I did a google on Strongwell and got www.strongwell.com . A quick peek
> at the site, and I find another whole world of manufacturing I never
> knew about. It will take you a while to get through this one. Lots of
> stuff to give you ideas on different ways to solve engineering
> challenges on your Bolger boat (there, back to topic).
>
> We are such a rich country, if you get back far enough and try to be
> objective, it is truly mind boggling.
>
>
> HJ
>
>
>
> Mark Albanese wrote:
> >
> > Harry,
> > Thanks for picking up on this.
> >
> > What is meant by, "Structurals?" Anything adaptable to chine
> > channel? Lay up your own, or supplied?
> > Have hopes for an easy life distorted my perception?
> >
> >
>
>
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>

Basically he shows that almost anything that is made in metal, such as
angles, I beams, rods etc., are made in fiberglass also. He also goes
into fiberglass gratings. He has used it in a bunch of neat ways
including boat seats.

The company he favors the most is Strongwell, but also mentions Creative
Pultrusions (great name), Fibergrate, Seasafe, US Plastic Corp. and IKG
Borden.

I did a google on Strongwell and got www.strongwell.com . A quick peek
at the site, and I find another whole world of manufacturing I never
knew about. It will take you a while to get through this one. Lots of
stuff to give you ideas on different ways to solve engineering
challenges on your Bolger boat (there, back to topic).

We are such a rich country, if you get back far enough and try to be
objective, it is truly mind boggling.

HJ

Mark Albanese wrote:

>
> Harry,
> Thanks for picking up on this.
>
> What is meant by, "Structurals?" Anything adaptable to chine
> channel? Lay up your own, or supplied?
> Have hopes for an easy life distorted my perception?
>
>

Harry,
Thanks for picking up on this.

What is meant by, "Structurals?" Anything adaptable to chine
channel? Lay up your own, or supplied?
Have hopes for an easy life distorted my perception?

Mark

"Harry W. James" wrote:

>
> I have it, watcha need to know?
>
> HJ
>
> Mark Albanese wrote:
> >
> > Boatbuilder magazine Nov / Dec
> > on "Preformed FRP Structurals."

I have it, what's watcha need to know?

HJ

Mark Albanese wrote:

>
> At the Boatbuilder magazine web page i see the Nov / Dec
> number has an article on "Preformed FRP Structurals." Has
> anyone seen the issue?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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At the Boatbuilder magazine web page i see the Nov / Dec
number has an article on "Preformed FRP Structurals." Has
anyone seen the issue?

Thanks,
Mark

Try:

http://hometown.aol.com/polysail/index.htm

Mike Westfield

--- In bolger@y..., "sneakeasy2000" <sneakeasy2000@y...> wrote:
> Sorry Thomas
> I forgot to give you Dave's address!
>http://hometown.aol.com/polysail/html/index.htm
>
> Steve Bosquette
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "sneakeasy2000" <sneakeasy2000@y...> wrote:
> > Thomas
> > Check out Dave Gray's site, he sells white polytarp sail material
> and
> > kits. I have purchased his material for my 23 ft schooner. It is
> > great stuff to work with and of good quality. I highly recommend
> > it. His kits call for double sided tape for construction but I
> > stitched mine.
> >
> > Steve Bosquette
> >
> > --- In bolger@y..., thomas dalzell <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
> > > Been looking for white tarp for sails, found this:
> > >
> > >http://tarps.com/white.htm
> > >
> > > Its about twice the thickness of "blue tarp" If I
> > > could get it up here in Can., all the better.
> > >
> > > Any other sources for cheap white tarp?
> > >
> > > ______________________________________________________
> > > Send your holiday cheer withhttp://greetings.yahoo.ca

Thanks Steve,

This stuff is a lot cheaper. Some of these polytarp
sails are being made as stand-ins for dacron sails,
where the quality etc of the Polytarp kits makes
sense. But in my case I am just doing some minor
trials, it isn't worth any expense, though the
pictures would look nicer with white tarp sails. In
my case if I could find a Canadian source for white
tarp, it would be a lot cheaper.
-- sneakeasy2000 <sneakeasy2000@...> wrote:

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Thomas 
Check out Dave Gray's site, he sells white polytarp
sail material

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To any one who has not used these white tarps I have not used it for
sails but I have used it for every thing else it is the very best very
heavy and very tough.

WillO
will@...
503-805-8421

-----Original Message-----
From: thomas dalzell [mailto:proaconstrictor@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:45 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: White Tarp

Been looking for white tarp for sails, found this:

http://tarps.com/white.htm

Its about twice the thickness of "blue tarp" If I
could get it up here in Can., all the better.

Any other sources for cheap white tarp?

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Sorry Thomas
I forgot to give you Dave's address!
http://hometown.aol.com/polysail/html/index.htm

Steve Bosquette

--- In bolger@y..., "sneakeasy2000" <sneakeasy2000@y...> wrote:
> Thomas
> Check out Dave Gray's site, he sells white polytarp sail material
and
> kits. I have purchased his material for my 23 ft schooner. It is
> great stuff to work with and of good quality. I highly recommend
> it. His kits call for double sided tape for construction but I
> stitched mine.
>
> Steve Bosquette
>
> --- In bolger@y..., thomas dalzell <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
> > Been looking for white tarp for sails, found this:
> >
> >http://tarps.com/white.htm
> >
> > Its about twice the thickness of "blue tarp" If I
> > could get it up here in Can., all the better.
> >
> > Any other sources for cheap white tarp?
> >
> > ______________________________________________________
> > Send your holiday cheer withhttp://greetings.yahoo.ca

Thomas
Check out Dave Gray's site, he sells white polytarp sail material and
kits. I have purchased his material for my 23 ft schooner. It is
great stuff to work with and of good quality. I highly recommend
it. His kits call for double sided tape for construction but I
stitched mine.

Steve Bosquette

--- In bolger@y..., thomas dalzell <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
> Been looking for white tarp for sails, found this:
>
>http://tarps.com/white.htm
>
> Its about twice the thickness of "blue tarp" If I
> could get it up here in Can., all the better.
>
> Any other sources for cheap white tarp?
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Send your holiday cheer withhttp://greetings.yahoo.ca

Been looking for white tarp for sails, found this:

http://tarps.com/white.htm

Its about twice the thickness of "blue tarp" If I
could get it up here in Can., all the better.

Any other sources for cheap white tarp?

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Hi.

thomas dalzell wrote:

>
> Cool,
>
> All other things being equal that forefoot design
> could have even less stability than the one on Anhinga
> - the very thing we are looking for ;o)

Uh_oh.

> Also one wonders how it would work. Nothing all that
> odd about it of course, but at 41000# it may not be
> intended to sail as layed over as he obviously intends
> with his smaller sharpies.

Slicing waves while relying on the upper body for providing
extra bouancy as needed, I guess.
Jim Michalak reports on his Jewel Box series that the bigger
your boat, the less these enhancements may be worth it. But
he doesn't like a flattie in any kind of rough at all.

With electric power in my own boat I'll be going upright,
but smaller than the canoe beneath the Antispray alone. More
back in re: Anhinga later.

Mark

Cool,

All other things being equal that forefoot design
could have even less stability than the one on Anhinga
- the very thing we are looking for ;o)

Also one wonders how it would work. Nothing all that
odd about it of course, but at 41000# it may not be
intended to sail as layed over as he obviously intends
with his smaller sharpies.

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/AntiSpray/
This had been removed. Sorry, I don't have the body plan.
John, if you're listening, may we have it again?

Mark

wmrpage@...wrote:

> "rl&w veneers". (???)

Sorry, Bill. That's gobledeguke for random lengths and
widths. Nice for your own perfect plywood.

>
> - What on earth are you guys chatting about?

Re: Chine Channel has gotten a bit stretched here, but

Please stand by

In a message dated 12/12/01 4:04:47 AM Central Standard Time,
marka@...writes:

> Yes, or even rl&w veneers; but sans void.

Duh!? - "rl&w veneers". (???) What on earth are you guys chatting about?

Bill in MN

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Mark, I can't find Antispray, where is it?

--- Mark Albanese <marka@...> wrote:

I've never seen glued lap with anything but first
rate. It 
could be worth a try, but did i mention this boat
could be a 
thousand pounds all up? 

You mean too heavy, laps are just going to strengthen
whatever dimension of ply you consider adaquate
otherwise.

I found the Mockingull article I refered to and the
wood in question was "All the 5mm plywood used in M is
the ordinary cheap luan from korea, available in
Lumberyards. It's wonderful stuff for experiments."
I didn't guess Luan, since the insides look quite
blonde, though I have seen blonde Luan, but only on
occasion.

<When Philip Bolger wrote me on Anhinga, I wrote
back 
unworried: If it didn't work, we might convert
to the 
world's most unusual trimaran. I've never known if he
laughed. 
 
Mark 
</tt>

Probably not, considering his experience with Tarantula.

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Hi.

thomas dalzell wrote:

>
> I don't think they depend on mahogany.

I've never seen glued lap with anything but first rate. It
could be worth a try, but did i mention this boat could be a
thousand pounds all up?

This could also be a great place for bagged

> doorskins, if you just want the cheap ply, but need no
> voids etc.

Yes, or even rl&w veneers; but sans void. The ply i'd like
to use is pretty decent marine fir from the local coop. 1/4
and 3/8 averages $30. You spend a lot on finish to make it
look like anything but plywood, but i'm following the 'boat
soup' persuasion on this myself.

I am pretty skeptical of the ability to

> seal your channel.

Think epoxy and some some extruded plastic flange... To be
cheaper than ol' polyester and bondo, the channel would have
to be a real bargain.

It's the time for me, and up to a point would pay it. I can
only work in snatches. Snapping something shapely up in an
afternoon, fast as nailing would be great. Can't let the
panel sizes get too large, though.

> I have the glass on the outside of Fat Eeek!.

Oh, goody. That's what your sander was for...

>
> What do you mean a better hull shape! Traitor! ;o)

Just the bow:
The only cloud on a flat bottomed boat in any water i'm
likely to pursue.

It might be true that a finer the entry helps in the rough
-up to a point, and that finer ends suit the very low power
purpose of the boats I'm thinking about in general. But my
Windsprint takes the motor boat wake best from under the
stern, for example.

So Philip Bolger has something else in the box keel
forefoot. There's a drawing of his 'Antispray' in the group
files, a 50' sailboat that's even with it. I've thought of
applying one to the boat later without much penalty if
needed ( unless you were talking about the Sneakeasy type
which seems to go waaay back ) ; but while getting a little
used to the many pleasures of Hull Designer on the 18'6
canoe, I saw that the bow curve needs to plan for it.

> Actually I do think of an Eeek deal in a trimaran.

When Philip Bolger wrote me on Anhinga, I wrote back
unworried: If it didn't work, we might convert to the
world's most unusual trimaran. I've never known if he laughed.

Mark

I don't think they depend on mahogany. Probably my
favorite Wooden Boat cover story article was for a
sailing rowing boat called something like the
Picataqua Wherry, by somebody Martin. He did glued
laps in some weird grade of non 1088. Did you see
that? This could also be a great place for bagged
doorskins, if you just want the cheap ply, but need no
voids etc. I am pretty skeptical of the ability to
seal your channel. If we are talking 5200 and a bunch
of aluminum channel, I am not sure where the cost
savings are. You would also get a lot of drag from
outside channel.

I have the glass on the outside of Fat Eeek!. Not a
great job the epoxy was a little thick in the cold and
wouldn't level properly, but an Ok job.

What do you mean a better hull shape! Traitor! ;o)

Actually I do think of an Eeek deal in a trimaran,
At those speeds you might need a real rudder, or one
like Economy (so far no return word from PCB a little
early yet).

--- Mark Albanese <marka@...> wrote:

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Thomas, ( don't you have anything more worth doing
than 
this? :) 
 

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Thomas, ( don't you have anything more worth doing than
this? :)

I haven't seen RKL's ad for a very long time. Photos of his
Rangelys stick in the mind.

The glued lap boats depend on #1 mahogany for holding fast,
don't they? The channels might save an ugly feather edge in
fir.

I'm thinking about replacing a schedule like
-putty and two layers 3" tape inside
-putty, 6 oz. cloth and one layer tape the outside

Mark ( been making up .huls for an 18' 6" x 4' Eeek!, but
looking hard at 'better' shape )

thomas dalzell wrote:

>
> I remember RKL, are they still around?
>
> I am not sure I understand the question. The strategy
> of edge glued laps works great for multichine hulls,
> whether they have a lot of chines (think Hill or
> Outreight boats) or whether they have but a few, think
> of the Nutshell pram. You can finish them like wood
> boats with just paint, or smooth off the chines, and
> glass the whole mess.

I remember RKL, are they still around?

I am not sure I understand the question. The strategy
of edge glued laps works great for multichine hulls,
whether they have a lot of chines (think Hill or
Outreight boats) or whether they have but a few, think
of the Nutshell pram. You can finish them like wood
boats with just paint, or smooth off the chines, and
glass the whole mess.

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Thanks!
http://www.mcmaster.com/
has the following channels:
aluminum, brass, festoon, plastic, polypropylene, pvc,
structural, strut and trim & molding.

Who knows what a 'festoon' channel is, but polypropylene
should stick with epoxy.

I'm getting some blank pages and java errors from them right
now ( will try again later ),
but you've given me much to go on.

The idea is to accelerate from stitch and glue taping by 10 x.

Mark

David Allen wrote:

>
> there are a number of different 'H' channels used to join
> panels. both
> rigid aluminum extrusions and flexible vinyl. check out
> McMaster-Carr.
> I've seen some as trim in the local H.D.
>
> da

there are a number of different 'H' channels used to join panels. both
rigid aluminum extrusions and flexible vinyl. check out McMaster-Carr.
I've seen some as trim in the local H.D.

da

> From: Mark Albanese [mailto:marka@...]
> About 20 years ago, Robert K. Lincoln at RKL Boatworks in
> Maine built a few pseudo-lapstrake Rangely Boats using some
> kind of channel to hold the plank edges.
>
> These might be great, glued in for modern multichine craft.
> Does anyone have an idea what kind of plastic or metal
> extrusion could work?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark

About 20 years ago, Robert K. Lincoln at RKL Boatworks in
Maine built a few pseudo-lapstrake Rangely Boats using some
kind of channel to hold the plank edges.

These might be great, glued in for modern multichine craft.
Does anyone have an idea what kind of plastic or metal
extrusion could work?

Thanks,
Mark