[bolger] as 29 cloned
BO>I am not sure what is going on here but I would invite one and all to
BO>take a look at the following sight(www.tantonyachts.com) and go to the
BO>designs section.Once there,look at design number 980.Now,unless I have
BO>missed something during the Y2K partying,this is a AS 29.Perhaps
BO>Mr.Bolger should be informed of this especially as he appears to have
BO>been"ripped off"in the past with alot of his copyrighted work.
BO>At any rate,I sure would like to here an explaination for this apparent
BO>copy of the venerable AS 29.
BO> Regards,
BO> Peter L.
You're dead right Peter. The only differences are the rig, the extended
bow (to a point) and the slightly extended dog-house. From their
diagram, there are even the same number of shelves next to the head, the
cockpit has exactly the same slope (I know, cos mine was built without
it, grrr), double berth's the same shape, identical bulkheads etc etc.
Tim & Lady Kate
BO>take a look at the following sight(www.tantonyachts.com) and go to the
BO>designs section.Once there,look at design number 980.Now,unless I have
BO>missed something during the Y2K partying,this is a AS 29.Perhaps
BO>Mr.Bolger should be informed of this especially as he appears to have
BO>been"ripped off"in the past with alot of his copyrighted work.
BO>At any rate,I sure would like to here an explaination for this apparent
BO>copy of the venerable AS 29.
BO> Regards,
BO> Peter L.
You're dead right Peter. The only differences are the rig, the extended
bow (to a point) and the slightly extended dog-house. From their
diagram, there are even the same number of shelves next to the head, the
cockpit has exactly the same slope (I know, cos mine was built without
it, grrr), double berth's the same shape, identical bulkheads etc etc.
Tim & Lady Kate
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert N. Lundy
> Chuck seems to make an excellent point overall about "borrowing" that
would
> be good to keep in mind. One of the nice things about Bolger is that, in
> his published designs, if he did get an idea from another boat, he tells
you
> how, why, where, etc. I use Birdwatcher and Jim Michalak as an example-he
> took the "slot-top" concept into all sorts of boats including powerboats
and
> boats without glass cabins.
>
Jim Michalak also freely acknowledges Bolger's work as the inspiration for
some of his work. My own dory was designed by Jim to incorporate some
"improvements" to the PCB's venerable Gull. Jim clearly states this in his
promotional material. Is my boat an improvement over the Gull? I can't say
for certain without ever having been in a Gull. My boat may not be as
classically attractive as Gull, but it darn sure works well. It also offers
(theoretically*) simpler construction than PCB's boat, which was one of my
major incentives for building it.
My point is that Jim's work is his own. Where he takes inspiration from
others, it is properly attributed, whether it's from PCB or the stacks of
aluminum jon boats outside Wal-Mart.
* "Theoretically" - the idea that stitch and glue is easier is so popular
that my judgment may be clouded. I've never built a boat where you had to
line up the forms on a strongback before assembly. The extra work in
building the ladder frame may not be any worse than grinding down epoxified
seams. Who knows? It can't be that much worse! Maybe one day I'll find
out...
Clyde,
Yes, it is, but I do believe a certain N.A. put the polish on it, as he had
done something very similar before.
Mine is a bigger cat-ketch (44'), at least as far as Freedom is concerned.
Gregg
At 04:37 PM 1/11/2000 -0500, you wrote:
Yes, it is, but I do believe a certain N.A. put the polish on it, as he had
done something very similar before.
Mine is a bigger cat-ketch (44'), at least as far as Freedom is concerned.
Gregg
At 04:37 PM 1/11/2000 -0500, you wrote:
> Gregg, Your Freedom is Gary Hoyt's design isn't it? I may not have
>spelled the name right. I've always admired the small ketches. Clyde Wisner
>GHC wrote: Maybe it's my bias to my Freedom, but I've talked to and been
>thoroughly
>impressed by Tanton for a long time - he has some really, really unique big
> He wouldn't appear to need to knock anyone off, so it would be
>interesting for someone to ask him... Gregg C. At 09:00 AM 1/12/2000 +1300,
>you wrote:
>tjfatchen@...
> Wed, 12 Jan 2000 01:16:00 -93000
>bolger@...
>bolger@egroups.com
> [bolger] as 29 cloned
>>
>>
>>> You're dead right Peter. The only differences are the rig, the extended
> From their
>>> diagram, there are even the same number of shelves next to the head, the
>>> cockpit has exactly the same slope (I know, cos mine was built without
>>> it, grrr), double berth's the same shape, identical bulkheads etc etc.
>>>
>& Lady Kate
>>
>>
>>The main difference from Bolgers original plan is the use of colour!
>>
>>Don
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Chuck seems to make an excellent point overall about "borrowing" that would
be good to keep in mind. One of the nice things about Bolger is that, in
his published designs, if he did get an idea from another boat, he tells you
how, why, where, etc. I use Birdwatcher and Jim Michalak as an example-he
took the "slot-top" concept into all sorts of boats including powerboats and
boats without glass cabins.
If you've ever seen a Peep Hen, it looks an incredible amount like a Micro
copy with pointed bow (so it could be sold at boat shows). This sort of
thing has gone on for time immemorial right up to the "look and feel"
lawsuit Apple eventually lost. Don't know if there's much you can do about
it, ecept to do as PCB's done and keep coming up with original ideas.
Robert & Amy Lundy
St. Petersburg, fla.
robert@...
amy@...
be good to keep in mind. One of the nice things about Bolger is that, in
his published designs, if he did get an idea from another boat, he tells you
how, why, where, etc. I use Birdwatcher and Jim Michalak as an example-he
took the "slot-top" concept into all sorts of boats including powerboats and
boats without glass cabins.
If you've ever seen a Peep Hen, it looks an incredible amount like a Micro
copy with pointed bow (so it could be sold at boat shows). This sort of
thing has gone on for time immemorial right up to the "look and feel"
lawsuit Apple eventually lost. Don't know if there's much you can do about
it, ecept to do as PCB's done and keep coming up with original ideas.
Robert & Amy Lundy
St. Petersburg, fla.
robert@...
amy@...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GHC [mailto:ghartc@...]
> Sent: January 11, 2000 3:59 PM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: as 29 cloned
>
>
> Maybe it's my bias to my Freedom, but I've talked to and been thoroughly
> impressed by Tanton for a long time - he has some really, really
> unique big
> cruisers. He wouldn't appear to need to knock anyone off, so it would be
> interesting for someone to ask him...
>
> Gregg C.
>
>
>
> At 09:00 AM 1/12/2000 +1300, you wrote:
> >From:tjfatchen@...
> >Date sent: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 01:16:00 -93000
> >To:bolger@...
> >Send reply to:bolger@egroups.com
> >Subject: [bolger] as 29 cloned
> >
> >
> >> You're dead right Peter. The only differences are the rig, the extended
> >> bow (to a point) and the slightly extended dog-house. From their
> >> diagram, there are even the same number of shelves next to the
> head, the
> >> cockpit has exactly the same slope (I know, cos mine was built without
> >> it, grrr), double berth's the same shape, identical bulkheads etc etc.
> >>
> >> Tim & Lady Kate
> >
> >
> >The main difference from Bolgers original plan is the use of colour!
> >
> >Don
> >
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Gregg, Your Freedom is Gary Hoyt's design isn't it? I may not have spelled
the name right. I've always admired the small ketches. Clyde Wisner
GHC wrote:
Maybe it's my bias to my Freedom, but I've talked to and been thoroughly
impressed by Tanton for a long time - he has some really, really unique big
cruisers. He wouldn't appear to need to knock anyone off, so it would be
interesting for someone to ask him...
Gregg C.
At 09:00 AM 1/12/2000 +1300, you wrote:
>From:
tjfatchen@...
>Date sent:
Wed, 12 Jan 2000 01:16:00 -93000
>To:
bolger@...
>Send reply to: bolger@egroups.com
>Subject:
[bolger] as 29 cloned
>
>
>> You're dead right Peter. The only differences are the rig, the extended
>> bow (to a point) and the slightly extended dog-house. From
their
>> diagram, there are even the same number of shelves next to the head,
the
>> cockpit has exactly the same slope (I know, cos mine was built without
>> it, grrr), double berth's the same shape, identical bulkheads etc
etc.
>>
>> Tim & Lady Kate
>
>
>The main difference from Bolgers original plan is the use of colour!
>
>Don
>
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Maybe it's my bias to my Freedom, but I've talked to and been thoroughly
impressed by Tanton for a long time - he has some really, really unique big
cruisers. He wouldn't appear to need to knock anyone off, so it would be
interesting for someone to ask him...
Gregg C.
At 09:00 AM 1/12/2000 +1300, you wrote:
impressed by Tanton for a long time - he has some really, really unique big
cruisers. He wouldn't appear to need to knock anyone off, so it would be
interesting for someone to ask him...
Gregg C.
At 09:00 AM 1/12/2000 +1300, you wrote:
>From:tjfatchen@...
>Date sent: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 01:16:00 -93000
>To:bolger@...
>Send reply to:bolger@egroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] as 29 cloned
>
>
>> You're dead right Peter. The only differences are the rig, the extended
>> bow (to a point) and the slightly extended dog-house. From their
>> diagram, there are even the same number of shelves next to the head, the
>> cockpit has exactly the same slope (I know, cos mine was built without
>> it, grrr), double berth's the same shape, identical bulkheads etc etc.
>>
>> Tim & Lady Kate
>
>
>The main difference from Bolgers original plan is the use of colour!
>
>Don
>
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>a day to win $1,000,000.00. We've already had two $1,000,000.00
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Don
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Send reply to:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] as 29 cloned
> You're dead right Peter. The only differences are the rig, the extendedThe main difference from Bolgers original plan is the use of colour!
> bow (to a point) and the slightly extended dog-house. From their
> diagram, there are even the same number of shelves next to the head, the
> cockpit has exactly the same slope (I know, cos mine was built without
> it, grrr), double berth's the same shape, identical bulkheads etc etc.
>
> Tim & Lady Kate
Don