Re: don't look down toilet
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...> wrote:
for?
Peter Lenihan,still stalling........
>What a novel use for coffee filters! I wonder what the crank handle is
> If still looking for toilet options, check this out.
>
>http://www.airheadtoilet.com/Air_Headx.html
>
> Peter
for?
Peter Lenihan,still stalling........
If still looking for toilet options, check this out.
http://www.airheadtoilet.com/Air_Headx.html
Peter
http://www.airheadtoilet.com/Air_Headx.html
Peter
Now that sounds like a Great idea.
A Toilet and a constant supply of Bait.
Pat
http://www.wormdigest.org/
A Toilet and a constant supply of Bait.
Pat
http://www.wormdigest.org/
--- In bolger@y..., "m_doles" <m_doles@y...> wrote:
> I've been looking for an answer to this problem for a while. One
> possiblity I've come up with is vermiculture. Vermiculture is the
> use of red wiggler worms to aid in composting. There are > looks
like granular soil. I only know of one person doing this in a
> compost toilet. He was written up in "worm digest" and i found the
> article on the net. > > > > Mike
Hi Mike
A possible source of info may be
http//clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/energyrenewables
WILLO
WillO
will@...
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-----Original Message-----
From: m_doles [mailto:m_doles@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:04 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: don't look down toilet
I've been looking for an answer to this problem for a while. One
possiblity I've come up with is vermiculture. Vermiculture is the
use of red wiggler worms to aid in composting. There are commercial
under-the-sink vermiculture composters for kitchen scraps. I know
someone with one. In six months it hasn't needed emptying yet. It
is only 2 cubic feet in size and is divided in half. You fill one
half and then let the worms crawl to the other side and then empty
the first half. In a boat a single chamber would maybe be enough for
a week or two for one-two people. The biggest problem as with some
of the other solutions mentioned is too much liquid. Urinating in a
separate container would be a good idea. The worms eat up to their
own weight a day. the average person is supposed to drop about a
pound a day. So one person,one pound of worms. Food scraps can be
added but seem to work best if left out to partially dry before
adding. The one pound deposit is about 70% water,so propper
ventilation might reduce most of it. What is left is worn cast which
looks like granular soil. I only know of one person doing this in a
compost toilet. He was written up in "worm digest" and i found the
article on the net. This might not be biologically safe but would be
easily handled and could be flushed when getting home. In the worm
digest article the guy just added it to his compost pile for another
6 months. About Urine,I have been told it is safe to dump. A nurse
told me that nothing can get through the kidneys. Even with blood in
the urine the ammonia kills anything. Other information or opinions
welcome. Milton
A possible source of info may be
http//clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/energyrenewables
WILLO
WillO
will@...
503-805-8421
-----Original Message-----
From: m_doles [mailto:m_doles@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:04 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: don't look down toilet
I've been looking for an answer to this problem for a while. One
possiblity I've come up with is vermiculture. Vermiculture is the
use of red wiggler worms to aid in composting. There are commercial
under-the-sink vermiculture composters for kitchen scraps. I know
someone with one. In six months it hasn't needed emptying yet. It
is only 2 cubic feet in size and is divided in half. You fill one
half and then let the worms crawl to the other side and then empty
the first half. In a boat a single chamber would maybe be enough for
a week or two for one-two people. The biggest problem as with some
of the other solutions mentioned is too much liquid. Urinating in a
separate container would be a good idea. The worms eat up to their
own weight a day. the average person is supposed to drop about a
pound a day. So one person,one pound of worms. Food scraps can be
added but seem to work best if left out to partially dry before
adding. The one pound deposit is about 70% water,so propper
ventilation might reduce most of it. What is left is worn cast which
looks like granular soil. I only know of one person doing this in a
compost toilet. He was written up in "worm digest" and i found the
article on the net. This might not be biologically safe but would be
easily handled and could be flushed when getting home. In the worm
digest article the guy just added it to his compost pile for another
6 months. About Urine,I have been told it is safe to dump. A nurse
told me that nothing can get through the kidneys. Even with blood in
the urine the ammonia kills anything. Other information or opinions
welcome. Milton
--- In bolger@y..., "mikestockstill" <mkstocks@b...> wrote:
> Hi -
>
> Has anyone used / seen / installed one of these?
>
> If you don't know what it is, then likely the answer is 'no.'
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike
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I've been looking for an answer to this problem for a while. One
possiblity I've come up with is vermiculture. Vermiculture is the
use of red wiggler worms to aid in composting. There are commercial
under-the-sink vermiculture composters for kitchen scraps. I know
someone with one. In six months it hasn't needed emptying yet. It
is only 2 cubic feet in size and is divided in half. You fill one
half and then let the worms crawl to the other side and then empty
the first half. In a boat a single chamber would maybe be enough for
a week or two for one-two people. The biggest problem as with some
of the other solutions mentioned is too much liquid. Urinating in a
separate container would be a good idea. The worms eat up to their
own weight a day. the average person is supposed to drop about a
pound a day. So one person,one pound of worms. Food scraps can be
added but seem to work best if left out to partially dry before
adding. The one pound deposit is about 70% water,so propper
ventilation might reduce most of it. What is left is worn cast which
looks like granular soil. I only know of one person doing this in a
compost toilet. He was written up in "worm digest" and i found the
article on the net. This might not be biologically safe but would be
easily handled and could be flushed when getting home. In the worm
digest article the guy just added it to his compost pile for another
6 months. About Urine,I have been told it is safe to dump. A nurse
told me that nothing can get through the kidneys. Even with blood in
the urine the ammonia kills anything. Other information or opinions
welcome. Milton
possiblity I've come up with is vermiculture. Vermiculture is the
use of red wiggler worms to aid in composting. There are commercial
under-the-sink vermiculture composters for kitchen scraps. I know
someone with one. In six months it hasn't needed emptying yet. It
is only 2 cubic feet in size and is divided in half. You fill one
half and then let the worms crawl to the other side and then empty
the first half. In a boat a single chamber would maybe be enough for
a week or two for one-two people. The biggest problem as with some
of the other solutions mentioned is too much liquid. Urinating in a
separate container would be a good idea. The worms eat up to their
own weight a day. the average person is supposed to drop about a
pound a day. So one person,one pound of worms. Food scraps can be
added but seem to work best if left out to partially dry before
adding. The one pound deposit is about 70% water,so propper
ventilation might reduce most of it. What is left is worn cast which
looks like granular soil. I only know of one person doing this in a
compost toilet. He was written up in "worm digest" and i found the
article on the net. This might not be biologically safe but would be
easily handled and could be flushed when getting home. In the worm
digest article the guy just added it to his compost pile for another
6 months. About Urine,I have been told it is safe to dump. A nurse
told me that nothing can get through the kidneys. Even with blood in
the urine the ammonia kills anything. Other information or opinions
welcome. Milton
--- In bolger@y..., "mikestockstill" <mkstocks@b...> wrote:
> Hi -
>
> Has anyone used / seen / installed one of these?
>
> If you don't know what it is, then likely the answer is 'no.'
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike
Ya it may not be legal here now the last one we had was 4 years ago.
WILLO
WillO
will@...
503-805-8421
-----Original Message-----
From: Vince and Mary Ann Chew [mailto:vachew@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:02 PM
To: Bolger Group
Subject: [bolger] Re: don't look down toilet
Great Lakes and many other areas the rule is absolutely zero discharge.
You'd better have a holding tank up our way if you don't want to run
afoul of the law.
The advantage of the DLD toilet appears to be that there is no actually
flushing involved and therefore no flush water in the holding tank. It
should go much longer before it needs emptying. I am not sure how easy
it would be to pump such a thick effluent with the equipment found at
marinas. Perhaps one can add more liquid via the dock hose to dilute it
as one pumps.
Vince Chew
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-----Original Message-----
From: Vince and Mary Ann Chew [mailto:vachew@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:02 PM
To: Bolger Group
Subject: [bolger] Re: don't look down toilet
> ...Cedar chips and a little peat moss theMaybe in some parts of the country you can get away with it, but in the
> liquid runs out to a smaller tank
> mine was 1 gal where the liquid is
> chlorinated then it runs out to the
> river or what ever your floating in...
Great Lakes and many other areas the rule is absolutely zero discharge.
You'd better have a holding tank up our way if you don't want to run
afoul of the law.
The advantage of the DLD toilet appears to be that there is no actually
flushing involved and therefore no flush water in the holding tank. It
should go much longer before it needs emptying. I am not sure how easy
it would be to pump such a thick effluent with the equipment found at
marinas. Perhaps one can add more liquid via the dock hose to dilute it
as one pumps.
Vince Chew
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> ...Cedar chips and a little peat moss theMaybe in some parts of the country you can get away with it, but in the
> liquid runs out to a smaller tank
> mine was 1 gal where the liquid is
> chlorinated then it runs out to the
> river or what ever your floating in...
Great Lakes and many other areas the rule is absolutely zero discharge.
You'd better have a holding tank up our way if you don't want to run
afoul of the law.
The advantage of the DLD toilet appears to be that there is no actually
flushing involved and therefore no flush water in the holding tank. It
should go much longer before it needs emptying. I am not sure how easy
it would be to pump such a thick effluent with the equipment found at
marinas. Perhaps one can add more liquid via the dock hose to dilute it
as one pumps.
Vince Chew
Hi Pat
There is such a unit I don't remember the right spelling but it's called
the"MICRO FORE 2" they are a northern Calif. Co they make them for cruse
ships.
But they also make small ones to I have had them in 2 boats.
It's a 2 tank system you could make one your self every thing flushes in
to the big tank mine was 12 gal the solids are held 4 in off the bottom
by a wire screen
Cedar chips and a little peat moss the liquid runs out to a smaller tank
mine was 1 gal where the liquid is chlorinated then it runs out to the
river or what ever your floating in I ask the EPA about it they said it
was ok the unit would stop when not in use but would re start with new
martial and a little friendly bacteria .
West Marine didn't sell me these units but they sold me all the parts.
Strange how the bacteria takes care of it all there is just nothing in
there.
WILLO
WillO
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-----Original Message-----
From: antec007 [mailto:pateson@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:38 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: don't look down toilet
Take it from one who has had experience.
A small composting toilet will not work.
It must have a minimum volume to work properly,
plus lots of green vegitable material.
I don't know exactly what that volume is, but I
do know it is more than would be available on a
small boat.
(Altho my Dog's "Leavings" seem to grow lots of strange
hairy things and then just disappear in a very short while.
Maybe if the "Leavings" could be kept dryer, and not part
of a big soupy mess. I think I'm getting a little ill.)
We had a small composting toilet in our cabin for a couple
of years, and it was a failure.
Too much "Liquid" was the problem there too.
The large ones are Great.
Pat
There is such a unit I don't remember the right spelling but it's called
the"MICRO FORE 2" they are a northern Calif. Co they make them for cruse
ships.
But they also make small ones to I have had them in 2 boats.
It's a 2 tank system you could make one your self every thing flushes in
to the big tank mine was 12 gal the solids are held 4 in off the bottom
by a wire screen
Cedar chips and a little peat moss the liquid runs out to a smaller tank
mine was 1 gal where the liquid is chlorinated then it runs out to the
river or what ever your floating in I ask the EPA about it they said it
was ok the unit would stop when not in use but would re start with new
martial and a little friendly bacteria .
West Marine didn't sell me these units but they sold me all the parts.
Strange how the bacteria takes care of it all there is just nothing in
there.
WILLO
WillO
will@...
503-805-8421
-----Original Message-----
From: antec007 [mailto:pateson@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:38 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: don't look down toilet
Take it from one who has had experience.
A small composting toilet will not work.
It must have a minimum volume to work properly,
plus lots of green vegitable material.
I don't know exactly what that volume is, but I
do know it is more than would be available on a
small boat.
(Altho my Dog's "Leavings" seem to grow lots of strange
hairy things and then just disappear in a very short while.
Maybe if the "Leavings" could be kept dryer, and not part
of a big soupy mess. I think I'm getting a little ill.)
We had a small composting toilet in our cabin for a couple
of years, and it was a failure.
Too much "Liquid" was the problem there too.
The large ones are Great.
Pat
--- In bolger@y..., "Geren W. Mortensen, Jr." <gerenm@h...> wrote:
> That reminds me of the time in Boy Scouts that we lit fire to the
latreen......
>
> At 12/13/01 03:40 PM, you wrote:
> >--- In bolger@y..., "jmbell1" <jmbell@m...> wrote:
> >
> > > I've been reading about at the composting toilets on the
market. A
> > > very interesting concept, but too large and expensive for the
kinds
> > > of boats most of us use. They are probably better suited to
> > > houseboat, RV, or household use.
> >
> >There is also an incinerating toilet:
> >
> >http://www.incinolet.com/
> >
>
>
> Geren W. Mortensen, Jr.
> Columbia, Maryland, USA
>
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Hello Mike,
I've never used a DLD head but have had a number of exchanges
with our HERO about them especially as relates to his WINDERMERE
design.
PCB&Friends have used the SUN-MAR composting toilette with
somewhat limited success.For anyone using this unit in cool
climates,it is essential that heat be present.......lots of heat which
translates into big time electric consumption.Not exactly what one
needs as a live-a-board.It was originally my intention to use the
SUN-MAR on board WINDERMERE but they have convinced me to go with
their DLD.
Its operation is rather straight forward.The key to successful
management of human waste is to provide plenty of ventilation for good
and proper decompostion.The seat is designed to be air-tight when
closed.Also,there is a"chimney" with a built-in fan which helps to
draw air into the holding tank,creat a partial(slight)vacuum and
finally exhaust odorous gasses.This fan is similar to one used on
computers and draws precious little current.
This constant presence of oxygen flowing through the holding-tank
ensures healthy biological breakdown resulting in a virtually
ordorless residue to be extracted through conventional pump-out
stations.
The holding tank itself is baffled and well sealed except for the
extraction pipes(waste and gasses).There is no flushing nor is there
any need to add chemicals to aid in de-composition or ordor control.
So far,this is all I can relate to the group regarding this
shitty business of waste management via the DLD but I have been
assured by our HERO that the DLD will work just fine and I look
forward to giving it a run for its money in a year or two when
WINDERMERE is launched.
Micro"BANTY" owner and Antispray builder John MacDaniels(sp) will
also have one on his boat.He may be a whole lot closer to actually
putting his to the test.
On the home page of the boatbuilding
community(www.boatbuilding.com) there is/was an excellent article on
the whole business of caca control and it supports the whole premiss
of PCBs DLD.
Anyhow,hope this helps without spoiling your supper............
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,just about to eat,from the shores of the
St.Lawrence......
I've never used a DLD head but have had a number of exchanges
with our HERO about them especially as relates to his WINDERMERE
design.
PCB&Friends have used the SUN-MAR composting toilette with
somewhat limited success.For anyone using this unit in cool
climates,it is essential that heat be present.......lots of heat which
translates into big time electric consumption.Not exactly what one
needs as a live-a-board.It was originally my intention to use the
SUN-MAR on board WINDERMERE but they have convinced me to go with
their DLD.
Its operation is rather straight forward.The key to successful
management of human waste is to provide plenty of ventilation for good
and proper decompostion.The seat is designed to be air-tight when
closed.Also,there is a"chimney" with a built-in fan which helps to
draw air into the holding tank,creat a partial(slight)vacuum and
finally exhaust odorous gasses.This fan is similar to one used on
computers and draws precious little current.
This constant presence of oxygen flowing through the holding-tank
ensures healthy biological breakdown resulting in a virtually
ordorless residue to be extracted through conventional pump-out
stations.
The holding tank itself is baffled and well sealed except for the
extraction pipes(waste and gasses).There is no flushing nor is there
any need to add chemicals to aid in de-composition or ordor control.
So far,this is all I can relate to the group regarding this
shitty business of waste management via the DLD but I have been
assured by our HERO that the DLD will work just fine and I look
forward to giving it a run for its money in a year or two when
WINDERMERE is launched.
Micro"BANTY" owner and Antispray builder John MacDaniels(sp) will
also have one on his boat.He may be a whole lot closer to actually
putting his to the test.
On the home page of the boatbuilding
community(www.boatbuilding.com) there is/was an excellent article on
the whole business of caca control and it supports the whole premiss
of PCBs DLD.
Anyhow,hope this helps without spoiling your supper............
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,just about to eat,from the shores of the
St.Lawrence......
--- In bolger@y..., "mikestockstill" <mkstocks@b...> wrote:
> Hi -
>
> Has anyone used / seen / installed one of these?
>
> If you don't know what it is, then likely the answer is 'no.'
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike
Take it from one who has had experience.
A small composting toilet will not work.
It must have a minimum volume to work properly,
plus lots of green vegitable material.
I don't know exactly what that volume is, but I
do know it is more than would be available on a
small boat.
(Altho my Dog's "Leavings" seem to grow lots of strange
hairy things and then just disappear in a very short while.
Maybe if the "Leavings" could be kept dryer, and not part
of a big soupy mess. I think I'm getting a little ill.)
We had a small composting toilet in our cabin for a couple
of years, and it was a failure.
Too much "Liquid" was the problem there too.
The large ones are Great.
Pat
A small composting toilet will not work.
It must have a minimum volume to work properly,
plus lots of green vegitable material.
I don't know exactly what that volume is, but I
do know it is more than would be available on a
small boat.
(Altho my Dog's "Leavings" seem to grow lots of strange
hairy things and then just disappear in a very short while.
Maybe if the "Leavings" could be kept dryer, and not part
of a big soupy mess. I think I'm getting a little ill.)
We had a small composting toilet in our cabin for a couple
of years, and it was a failure.
Too much "Liquid" was the problem there too.
The large ones are Great.
Pat
--- In bolger@y..., "Geren W. Mortensen, Jr." <gerenm@h...> wrote:
> That reminds me of the time in Boy Scouts that we lit fire to the
latreen......
>
> At 12/13/01 03:40 PM, you wrote:
> >--- In bolger@y..., "jmbell1" <jmbell@m...> wrote:
> >
> > > I've been reading about at the composting toilets on the
market. A
> > > very interesting concept, but too large and expensive for the
kinds
> > > of boats most of us use. They are probably better suited to
> > > houseboat, RV, or household use.
> >
> >There is also an incinerating toilet:
> >
> >http://www.incinolet.com/
> >
>
>
> Geren W. Mortensen, Jr.
> Columbia, Maryland, USA
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
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http://gerenm.tripod.com
> The On30Guy On30 Web Site
http://on30guy.tripod.com
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http://gerenphoto.tripod.com
> Geren's Boating Site
http://gerenboat.tripod.com
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http://www.ugotawanit.com
> Four County Society of Model Engineers (UPDATED 12/13/01)
http://www.fcsme.org
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
This being a Bolger list, missing yet from this thread is Phil
Bolger's opinion on boat toilets. Can anybody round here tell us
what he thinks on this topic?
On pg 256 of BWAOM, he writes briefly about how wonderful the modern
portable toilets are. He also has written quite a bit about the
Herreshoff "cedar bucket", but I can't remember where. Those modern
portable toilets he writes about are sold at West Marine where I
live, and they control the stink with the blue bottle additive which
has formaldehyde. You haul the thing up to the flush toilet on shore
and dump it. Watervan, being a weekender type of boat has a portable
toilet, and Champlain being long term has a holding tank.
Bolger's opinion on boat toilets. Can anybody round here tell us
what he thinks on this topic?
On pg 256 of BWAOM, he writes briefly about how wonderful the modern
portable toilets are. He also has written quite a bit about the
Herreshoff "cedar bucket", but I can't remember where. Those modern
portable toilets he writes about are sold at West Marine where I
live, and they control the stink with the blue bottle additive which
has formaldehyde. You haul the thing up to the flush toilet on shore
and dump it. Watervan, being a weekender type of boat has a portable
toilet, and Champlain being long term has a holding tank.
--- In bolger@y..., "jmbell1" <jmbell@m...> wrote:
http://www.incinolet.com/
> I've been reading about at the composting toilets on the market. AThere is also an incinerating toilet:
> very interesting concept, but too large and expensive for the kinds
> of boats most of us use. They are probably better suited to
> houseboat, RV, or household use.
http://www.incinolet.com/
All the ones I've seen are made out of blue polyethylene and are
found at outdoor festivals, rock concerts, and construction sites.
The other type consists of a wooden shack placed over a hole in the
earth. There's usually a crescent moon cut in the door, too. Based on
those experiences, I can't see why I would want one in my boat!
I'm only half-joking,here. Like you, I'd like to hear about how well
they work out in actual practice. The closest I've come to what you
are describing is on wilderness whitewater kayaking and rafting trips.
We were required to pack out EVERYTHING (excepting pee-pee.) We've
used both military surplus rocket boxes and plastic 5 gallon buckets
each lined with heavy polyethylene bags. They were for solid waste
only. Not everybody remembered at first and some of the women
(usually) on the trips had to be re-educated. Any liquid waste made
it a lot worse. They were ok for about two days, after which opening
them after a long day in the sun could release a small but potent
cloud. Privy set-up at the end of each day was rotating job that now
one relished. On one trip, the organizer had some sort of goo they
put in the bucket to mitigate much of the outgassing. But I don't
know what it was. I wonder if the old outhouse practice of putting a
scoopful of lime on the top after each use would help?
The other problem with them is what to do with the waste? In most
places landfills will not accept untreated human waste. So, to get
rid of it, you need to get it into a sewage treatment system. The
easiest access most of us have to a sewage treatment system is the
toilet, but what you'll have in the bucket will not be very toilet
friendly. So how do you get it to the right place? Or do you just
break the law and toss it in the trash? (I know, baby diapers have
pretty much the same problem and it's generally ignored. So maybe it
is really a moot point.)
I've been reading about at the composting toilets on the market. A
very interesting concept, but too large and expensive for the kinds
of boats most of us use. They are probably better suited to
houseboat, RV, or household use.
JB
found at outdoor festivals, rock concerts, and construction sites.
The other type consists of a wooden shack placed over a hole in the
earth. There's usually a crescent moon cut in the door, too. Based on
those experiences, I can't see why I would want one in my boat!
I'm only half-joking,here. Like you, I'd like to hear about how well
they work out in actual practice. The closest I've come to what you
are describing is on wilderness whitewater kayaking and rafting trips.
We were required to pack out EVERYTHING (excepting pee-pee.) We've
used both military surplus rocket boxes and plastic 5 gallon buckets
each lined with heavy polyethylene bags. They were for solid waste
only. Not everybody remembered at first and some of the women
(usually) on the trips had to be re-educated. Any liquid waste made
it a lot worse. They were ok for about two days, after which opening
them after a long day in the sun could release a small but potent
cloud. Privy set-up at the end of each day was rotating job that now
one relished. On one trip, the organizer had some sort of goo they
put in the bucket to mitigate much of the outgassing. But I don't
know what it was. I wonder if the old outhouse practice of putting a
scoopful of lime on the top after each use would help?
The other problem with them is what to do with the waste? In most
places landfills will not accept untreated human waste. So, to get
rid of it, you need to get it into a sewage treatment system. The
easiest access most of us have to a sewage treatment system is the
toilet, but what you'll have in the bucket will not be very toilet
friendly. So how do you get it to the right place? Or do you just
break the law and toss it in the trash? (I know, baby diapers have
pretty much the same problem and it's generally ignored. So maybe it
is really a moot point.)
I've been reading about at the composting toilets on the market. A
very interesting concept, but too large and expensive for the kinds
of boats most of us use. They are probably better suited to
houseboat, RV, or household use.
JB
--- In bolger@y..., "mikestockstill" <mkstocks@b...> wrote:
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>
> Has anyone used / seen / installed one of these?
>
> If you don't know what it is, then likely the answer is 'no.'
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike
Sam Rabl's boatbuilding book (don't recall title) describes these.
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Has anyone used / seen / installed one of these?
If you don't know what it is, then likely the answer is 'no.'
Thanks!
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Has anyone used / seen / installed one of these?
If you don't know what it is, then likely the answer is 'no.'
Thanks!
Mike