Re: [bolger] Re: Suitable Bolger design suggestions?
Do you know of anyone that has actually built the
Superbrick? My understanding is that it's a concept
design that was never carried to completion, and that
the pictures in BWAOM are all the more desining he did
on that boat. Can anyone edumacate me otherwise?
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Superbrick? My understanding is that it's a concept
design that was never carried to completion, and that
the pictures in BWAOM are all the more desining he did
on that boat. Can anyone edumacate me otherwise?
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> You may consider 3 boats in "Boats with an open__________________________________________________
> Mind", Superbrick,
> Fast Motorsailor and Barge Houseboat.
>
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I think it is because there is no place to put your feet...other than
stretched out, that is.
stretched out, that is.
--- In bolger@y..., "rlspell2000" <richard@s...> wrote:
> Hey Mike. I find your comment saying that no-one wants to sit
> under "the area in the cockpit under the roof overhang" very
> interesting.
Hi Steve, et al. -
Stop torturing yourself!
All of the boats you describe are TRAILERABLE - and all of the
sailboats have motors. You can always operate a sailboat with just
the motor if you want to cruise. Not fast enough that way? Well,
get a buddy to help you trailer the boat someplace and then make your
trip 1 way back - it takes half the time. Don't want to trailer?
Ok, one weekend you go THERE, leave the boat, drive a car back. The
next time you go boating, start THERE and boat home, shuffle cars,
etc.
Here is my advice regarding how to make up one's mind on a design.
GO VISIT BOATS! I spent time checking out an AS-19 in VA, then AS-29
in NC, and AS-39 in FL. Yes there is some travel, but so what? You
get to go play boats. Everyone I visited was quite happy to demo
their boat. I'm happy to do the same for anyone interested in
visiting a Martha Jane. This way you get a real feel for the design -
plans are only a 2 dimensional representation of the 3 dimensional
object.
Here is another piece of wisdom - no matter which boat you make you
will learn to enjoy it for what it has to offer. What it does NOT
offer will not be so important once you get to know it.
Happy Flotation.
Mike
Stop torturing yourself!
All of the boats you describe are TRAILERABLE - and all of the
sailboats have motors. You can always operate a sailboat with just
the motor if you want to cruise. Not fast enough that way? Well,
get a buddy to help you trailer the boat someplace and then make your
trip 1 way back - it takes half the time. Don't want to trailer?
Ok, one weekend you go THERE, leave the boat, drive a car back. The
next time you go boating, start THERE and boat home, shuffle cars,
etc.
Here is my advice regarding how to make up one's mind on a design.
GO VISIT BOATS! I spent time checking out an AS-19 in VA, then AS-29
in NC, and AS-39 in FL. Yes there is some travel, but so what? You
get to go play boats. Everyone I visited was quite happy to demo
their boat. I'm happy to do the same for anyone interested in
visiting a Martha Jane. This way you get a real feel for the design -
plans are only a 2 dimensional representation of the 3 dimensional
object.
Here is another piece of wisdom - no matter which boat you make you
will learn to enjoy it for what it has to offer. What it does NOT
offer will not be so important once you get to know it.
Happy Flotation.
Mike
Thanks for all the suggestions! -- though I was afraid yawl would
do this to me. Too many possibilities, too many decisions.
Forgive me for the ramble, but I'm still in dreaming stage, and I'm
hoping to spark some interesting discussion.
Before I shelved the liveaboard idea, I had visions of living on
TWO trailerable boats parked in adjacent 25-foot slips. Boat 1
would have been a power boat with good standing headroom, a
shower, a nice galley, and a sitting area that would convert to a
spare "bedroom" for guests. Boat 2 would have been a cruising
sailboat, to be used as the master bedroom when in port.
Though building the combination would have been more time
and money than a single 40' boat, think of the possibilities. Want
to spend the weekend cruising the Potomac? Take the
powerboat. Want to sail for a week in the Carolina sounds?
Load up the sailboat. Two boats, no compromises.
Ah, compromise. Should my weekend retreat be power or sail?
Some of you may be thinking I should simply scale the whole
concept down, build Micro Trawler and Micro Navigator, and keep
the pair in a single 30 foot slip. It's a thought.
Consider, for example, Champlain versus a good sailing boat
(Jochems, Martha Jane, the Chebacco motorsailor, etc.)
Champlain would have more room and more headroom, and
could cover more river on a long weekend cruise. The other
boats, of course, can be sailed. Would the urge to sail be
satisfied by carrying a light sailing boat on the roof of Champlain,
something that could also serve as a rowing tender?
Around and around and around I go . . .
Steve
do this to me. Too many possibilities, too many decisions.
Forgive me for the ramble, but I'm still in dreaming stage, and I'm
hoping to spark some interesting discussion.
Before I shelved the liveaboard idea, I had visions of living on
TWO trailerable boats parked in adjacent 25-foot slips. Boat 1
would have been a power boat with good standing headroom, a
shower, a nice galley, and a sitting area that would convert to a
spare "bedroom" for guests. Boat 2 would have been a cruising
sailboat, to be used as the master bedroom when in port.
Though building the combination would have been more time
and money than a single 40' boat, think of the possibilities. Want
to spend the weekend cruising the Potomac? Take the
powerboat. Want to sail for a week in the Carolina sounds?
Load up the sailboat. Two boats, no compromises.
Ah, compromise. Should my weekend retreat be power or sail?
Some of you may be thinking I should simply scale the whole
concept down, build Micro Trawler and Micro Navigator, and keep
the pair in a single 30 foot slip. It's a thought.
Consider, for example, Champlain versus a good sailing boat
(Jochems, Martha Jane, the Chebacco motorsailor, etc.)
Champlain would have more room and more headroom, and
could cover more river on a long weekend cruise. The other
boats, of course, can be sailed. Would the urge to sail be
satisfied by carrying a light sailing boat on the roof of Champlain,
something that could also serve as a rowing tender?
Around and around and around I go . . .
Steve
Steve,
Have you considered the Microtrawler?
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/articles/microtrawler/
Vince
Have you considered the Microtrawler?
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/articles/microtrawler/
Vince
You may consider 3 boats in "Boats with an open Mind", Superbrick,
Fast Motorsailor and Barge Houseboat.
Steve Bosquette
Fast Motorsailor and Barge Houseboat.
Steve Bosquette
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...> wrote:
> > As > far as I know, the only smaller "birdwatcher" types he's
> designed are > the two designs intended for oar auxilliary:
> Birdwatcher itself and the Camper (#640).
>
> For completeness, you should include the Amherst Galley. It's 27',
> and meant for Outward Bound-type expeditions. It's also oar aux,
and
> floor sleeping though.
>
> Also, the "motorsailor" version of Chebacco. A house version of
> Supermouse. Micro Navigator. "Navigator" version of Seabird '86.
> Champlain.
>
> PHV
> As > far as I know, the only smaller "birdwatcher" types he'sdesigned are > the two designs intended for oar auxilliary:
Birdwatcher itself and the Camper (#640).
For completeness, you should include the Amherst Galley. It's 27',
and meant for Outward Bound-type expeditions. It's also oar aux, and
floor sleeping though.
Also, the "motorsailor" version of Chebacco. A house version of
Supermouse. Micro Navigator. "Navigator" version of Seabird '86.
Champlain.
PHV
Hey Mike. I find your comment saying that no-one wants to sit
under "the area in the cockpit under the roof overhang" very
interesting.
As you know, I'm building the Chebacco light cruiser, which has a
permanent hard dodger similar to what you are talking about on your
MJ.
I have imagined that people would like sitting there out of of the
wind when it is chilly, and out of the sun when it's hot.
Why do you figure no-one want's to sit there?
under "the area in the cockpit under the roof overhang" very
interesting.
As you know, I'm building the Chebacco light cruiser, which has a
permanent hard dodger similar to what you are talking about on your
MJ.
I have imagined that people would like sitting there out of of the
wind when it is chilly, and out of the sun when it's hot.
Why do you figure no-one want's to sit there?
--- In bolger@y..., "mikestockstill" <mkstocks@b...> wrote:
> In particular, I have noticed that the area in the cockpit under
the
> roof overhang tends to go unused - nobody sits there. It would be
> then reasonable to move the aft wall with the windows back to the
aft
> end of the roof. This makes the inside much larger and does not
> degrade the safety or balance of the boat. It increases the
standing
> headroom area, and allows for a porta-pottie room. Change the
hatch
> to a Jochem's type roof hatch from the center bulkhead aft for
> unlimited head room. If you don't want to sail it, then don't
bother
> with building the sailing gear and have a motor-only version. The
> cockpit is roomy, and you would not need the ballast tank space.
>
> Mike
Hi Steve -
certainly meets your design requirements, appears to be readily
trailerable, quick to build, and easy on the eye.
Another option in this smaller size is to modify the cabin version of
the Martha Jane.
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/martha_jane/
In particular, I have noticed that the area in the cockpit under the
roof overhang tends to go unused - nobody sits there. It would be
then reasonable to move the aft wall with the windows back to the aft
end of the roof. This makes the inside much larger and does not
degrade the safety or balance of the boat. It increases the standing
headroom area, and allows for a porta-pottie room. Change the hatch
to a Jochem's type roof hatch from the center bulkhead aft for
unlimited head room. If you don't want to sail it, then don't bother
with building the sailing gear and have a motor-only version. The
cockpit is roomy, and you would not need the ballast tank space.
Mike
> Hi Mike: I like the "shantyboat" design as well, but I've readI believe that something like this would be open to negotiation. It
>that
> Bolger no longer sells the plans. (I don't know why.)
certainly meets your design requirements, appears to be readily
trailerable, quick to build, and easy on the eye.
Another option in this smaller size is to modify the cabin version of
the Martha Jane.
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/martha_jane/
In particular, I have noticed that the area in the cockpit under the
roof overhang tends to go unused - nobody sits there. It would be
then reasonable to move the aft wall with the windows back to the aft
end of the roof. This makes the inside much larger and does not
degrade the safety or balance of the boat. It increases the standing
headroom area, and allows for a porta-pottie room. Change the hatch
to a Jochem's type roof hatch from the center bulkhead aft for
unlimited head room. If you don't want to sail it, then don't bother
with building the sailing gear and have a motor-only version. The
cockpit is roomy, and you would not need the ballast tank space.
Mike
Hi Mike: I like the "shantyboat" design as well, but I've read that
Bolger no longer sells the plans. (I don't know why.) Why 25 feet?
The marina I have in mind has 25 foot slips, and I'd prefer not to go
to a 30-footer if I can find something suitable that will fit in the
25. Plus, the time and expense involved in building would be less.
The Jochems schooner is fabulous: I've read and reread Bolger's
discussion of her (and St. Valery) in WoodenBoat. That said, I
wouldn't mind something a bit smaller, for the reasons just noted.
I've toyed with the idea of commissioning a boat from Bolger, in the
same vein as Jochems but smaller. (Not necessarily a schooner.) As
far as I know, the only smaller "birdwatcher" types he's designed are
the two designs intended for oar auxilliary: Birdwatcher itself and
the Camper (#640), both of which involve sleeping on the sole. I'd
like something with real bunks for two adults and an outboard.
Steve
Bolger no longer sells the plans. (I don't know why.) Why 25 feet?
The marina I have in mind has 25 foot slips, and I'd prefer not to go
to a 30-footer if I can find something suitable that will fit in the
25. Plus, the time and expense involved in building would be less.
The Jochems schooner is fabulous: I've read and reread Bolger's
discussion of her (and St. Valery) in WoodenBoat. That said, I
wouldn't mind something a bit smaller, for the reasons just noted.
I've toyed with the idea of commissioning a boat from Bolger, in the
same vein as Jochems but smaller. (Not necessarily a schooner.) As
far as I know, the only smaller "birdwatcher" types he's designed are
the two designs intended for oar auxilliary: Birdwatcher itself and
the Camper (#640), both of which involve sleeping on the sole. I'd
like something with real bunks for two adults and an outboard.
Steve
--- In bolger@y..., "mikestockstill" <mkstocks@b...> wrote:
I like this design and it certainly fits the bill...
http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat.jpg
For more work, the Jochems Schooner offers more flexibility
underway.
Beautiful! You know, I've seen that photograph online before, but
had forgotten about it. Thanks!
Steve
had forgotten about it. Thanks!
Steve
> Suggestions? Sure.....how about this:
>http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/champlain/index.htm
>
> Peter Lenihan
David: Thanks for the suggestion about Champlain -- it's one of
the designs I don't know much about. Mainland marinas near
Annapolis are probably about a 45 minute drive in light traffic.
(That's what it takes to get to my girlfriend's Starwind 19, which is
near Mayo just south of Annapolis.) Unfortunately, I work in
downtown DC, which means making the trip during rush hour . . .
There are people who do it, but I'm not eager to try.
Steve
the designs I don't know much about. Mainland marinas near
Annapolis are probably about a 45 minute drive in light traffic.
(That's what it takes to get to my girlfriend's Starwind 19, which is
near Mayo just south of Annapolis.) Unfortunately, I work in
downtown DC, which means making the trip during rush hour . . .
There are people who do it, but I'm not eager to try.
Steve
--- In bolger@y..., "David Romasco" <dromasco@g...> wrote:
> Steve, you're pretty much describing 'Champlain'. But have you
looked around Annapolis? I live aboard on Kent Island, and
we're about 1 hr out of DC. Marinas on the mainland US around
Annapolis would seem to be closer than that.
I like this design and it certainly fits the bill...
http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat.jpg
For more work, the Jochems Schooner offers more flexibility underway.
Mike
ps - why 25?
http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat.jpg
For more work, the Jochems Schooner offers more flexibility underway.
Mike
ps - why 25?
--- In bolger@y..., "s_paskey" <stephen@p...> wrote:
> My thoughts of living aboard have been scuttled (there's no
> longer a marina within an hour's drive of Washington DC that
> accepts new liveaboards), so I'm fishing for other ideas. My
> initial thought is to build a little floating "retreat" that I could
> keep on the Potomac River south of DC.
>
> Length, 25 feet overall max, shorter is fine. An efficient hull
> underwater, a nice little cabin above, with big windows (lexan)
> and room for two adults to comfortably spend a long weekend
> poking around the river in any weather. "Camping"
> accommodations would be fine.
>
> Any suggestions? Thanks! Steve
--- In bolger@y..., "s_paskey" <stephen@p...> wrote:
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/champlain/index.htm
Peter Lenihan
> Length, 25 feet overall max, shorter is fine. An efficient hullSuggestions? Sure.....how about this:
> underwater, a nice little cabin above, with big windows (lexan)
> and room for two adults to comfortably spend a long weekend
> poking around the river in any weather. "Camping"
> accommodations would be fine.
>
> Any suggestions? Thanks! Steve
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/champlain/index.htm
Peter Lenihan
Steve, you're pretty much describing 'Champlain'. But have you looked
around Annapolis? I live aboard on Kent Island, and we're about 1 hr
out of DC. Marinas on the mainland US around Annapolis would seem to be
closer than that.
David Romasco
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Kent Island, MD
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From: s_paskey [mailto:stephen@...]
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Subject: [bolger] Suitable Bolger design suggestions?
My thoughts of living aboard have been scuttled (there's no
longer a marina within an hour's drive of Washington DC that
accepts new liveaboards), so I'm fishing for other ideas. My
initial thought is to build a little floating "retreat" that I could
keep on the Potomac River south of DC.
Length, 25 feet overall max, shorter is fine. An efficient hull
underwater, a nice little cabin above, with big windows (lexan)
and room for two adults to comfortably spend a long weekend
poking around the river in any weather. "Camping"
accommodations would be fine.
Any suggestions? Thanks! Steve
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-----Original Message-----
From: s_paskey [mailto:stephen@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 1:05 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Suitable Bolger design suggestions?
My thoughts of living aboard have been scuttled (there's no
longer a marina within an hour's drive of Washington DC that
accepts new liveaboards), so I'm fishing for other ideas. My
initial thought is to build a little floating "retreat" that I could
keep on the Potomac River south of DC.
Length, 25 feet overall max, shorter is fine. An efficient hull
underwater, a nice little cabin above, with big windows (lexan)
and room for two adults to comfortably spend a long weekend
poking around the river in any weather. "Camping"
accommodations would be fine.
Any suggestions? Thanks! Steve
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My thoughts of living aboard have been scuttled (there's no
longer a marina within an hour's drive of Washington DC that
accepts new liveaboards), so I'm fishing for other ideas. My
initial thought is to build a little floating "retreat" that I could
keep on the Potomac River south of DC.
Length, 25 feet overall max, shorter is fine. An efficient hull
underwater, a nice little cabin above, with big windows (lexan)
and room for two adults to comfortably spend a long weekend
poking around the river in any weather. "Camping"
accommodations would be fine.
Any suggestions? Thanks! Steve
longer a marina within an hour's drive of Washington DC that
accepts new liveaboards), so I'm fishing for other ideas. My
initial thought is to build a little floating "retreat" that I could
keep on the Potomac River south of DC.
Length, 25 feet overall max, shorter is fine. An efficient hull
underwater, a nice little cabin above, with big windows (lexan)
and room for two adults to comfortably spend a long weekend
poking around the river in any weather. "Camping"
accommodations would be fine.
Any suggestions? Thanks! Steve