Re: oceangoing with bolger
Great list of boats you've got there Peter!Prancing Pony provided many
a fine daydream for me until I saw Thomas Gilmers Blue Moon and
Fenwick Williams 24'yawl(aka Annie),that's when madness set in along
with alot of wasted time..........
Wolf Trap has been a constant reminder of just how stupid I was when I
chose long ago not to take"shop" classes in welding.I dream of her
outfitted with a pilothouse,a slightly shorter cockpit and built of
steel,instead of aluminum,to charge through the ice up here.
Red Zinger looks supremely elegant for a panel boat although I would
look into building a more robust pilothouse on her.........
Oh my,the memories you have stirred up! This is usually where I start
wondering what it would be like if I were filthy,stinking rich with
all the time in the world!No more sardine and garlic sandwiches for
me!No sirree! And no more freezing temperatures either as I would
re-locate a good ways south,close to the water and absolutely
never-ever-grow-up.Oh the delirium and sweet madness of it all!!
Thanks for the list!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,looking for any excuse to put off Christmas
shopping,from the shores of the St.Lawrence.............
a fine daydream for me until I saw Thomas Gilmers Blue Moon and
Fenwick Williams 24'yawl(aka Annie),that's when madness set in along
with alot of wasted time..........
Wolf Trap has been a constant reminder of just how stupid I was when I
chose long ago not to take"shop" classes in welding.I dream of her
outfitted with a pilothouse,a slightly shorter cockpit and built of
steel,instead of aluminum,to charge through the ice up here.
Red Zinger looks supremely elegant for a panel boat although I would
look into building a more robust pilothouse on her.........
Oh my,the memories you have stirred up! This is usually where I start
wondering what it would be like if I were filthy,stinking rich with
all the time in the world!No more sardine and garlic sandwiches for
me!No sirree! And no more freezing temperatures either as I would
re-locate a good ways south,close to the water and absolutely
never-ever-grow-up.Oh the delirium and sweet madness of it all!!
Thanks for the list!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,looking for any excuse to put off Christmas
shopping,from the shores of the St.Lawrence.............
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...> wrote:
>
> Now that I am home with my Bolger library, let me compile a list of
> boats that would seem suitable for a group of five to take on a
> moderately ambitious coastal passage, say Cape Ann to Monhegan, or
> Montauk to Newport, Va. Many of these boats have 4 berths, but on a
> long passage someone has to be on deck. I also assume that for a
> custom built boat, interiors could be changed a little.
>
> From "Small Boats," Prancing Pony and Nahant are probably tecnically
> possible, but really too small.
>
> From "The Folding Schooner:"
> Black Gauntlet II and possibly the Economy Motor Sailer.
>
> From "Different Boats":
> Whaler Ketch (really too small), Romp, Manatee, Sweet Chariot,
> WolfTrap, Shearwater (39' ft schooner, a good choice), Sedish
> Cruiser, Solution 48, Bird of Dawning.
>
> From "30-Odd Boats:"
> Lion's Paw, Apogee, Hesperus, Titania, Tonweya. Also the Rose, if
> your crew is large enough.
>
> From "Boats With An Open Mind:"
> Benergaria, Breakdown Schooner, Red Zinger, Volunteer, Advanced
> Sharpie 29, Loose Moose, Ataraxia, Offshore Leeboarder (39', a very
> good choice), Barn Owl.
>
> From a quick look through just one stack of "Messing About In
Boats:"
> 55' Keel Sharpie Live-on-board Concept, Baltic Sea Cruiser Racer,
> Jack Hannah, 50' Fast Cruising Schooner, 65' Pinky Schooner (48'
> alternate mentioned but not described), 48' Auxiliary Lugger.
>
> My choice? Sweet Chariot has to rank high, and the Offshore
> Leeboarder and the 50' Fast Cruising Schooner look very fine.
>
> Peter
Now that I am home with my Bolger library, let me compile a list of
boats that would seem suitable for a group of five to take on a
moderately ambitious coastal passage, say Cape Ann to Monhegan, or
Montauk to Newport, Va. Many of these boats have 4 berths, but on a
long passage someone has to be on deck. I also assume that for a
custom built boat, interiors could be changed a little.
From "Small Boats," Prancing Pony and Nahant are probably tecnically
possible, but really too small.
From "The Folding Schooner:"
Black Gauntlet II and possibly the Economy Motor Sailer.
From "Different Boats":
Whaler Ketch (really too small), Romp, Manatee, Sweet Chariot,
WolfTrap, Shearwater (39' ft schooner, a good choice), Sedish
Cruiser, Solution 48, Bird of Dawning.
From "30-Odd Boats:"
Lion's Paw, Apogee, Hesperus, Titania, Tonweya. Also the Rose, if
your crew is large enough.
From "Boats With An Open Mind:"
Benergaria, Breakdown Schooner, Red Zinger, Volunteer, Advanced
Sharpie 29, Loose Moose, Ataraxia, Offshore Leeboarder (39', a very
good choice), Barn Owl.
From a quick look through just one stack of "Messing About In Boats:"
55' Keel Sharpie Live-on-board Concept, Baltic Sea Cruiser Racer,
Jack Hannah, 50' Fast Cruising Schooner, 65' Pinky Schooner (48'
alternate mentioned but not described), 48' Auxiliary Lugger.
My choice? Sweet Chariot has to rank high, and the Offshore
Leeboarder and the 50' Fast Cruising Schooner look very fine.
Peter
boats that would seem suitable for a group of five to take on a
moderately ambitious coastal passage, say Cape Ann to Monhegan, or
Montauk to Newport, Va. Many of these boats have 4 berths, but on a
long passage someone has to be on deck. I also assume that for a
custom built boat, interiors could be changed a little.
From "Small Boats," Prancing Pony and Nahant are probably tecnically
possible, but really too small.
From "The Folding Schooner:"
Black Gauntlet II and possibly the Economy Motor Sailer.
From "Different Boats":
Whaler Ketch (really too small), Romp, Manatee, Sweet Chariot,
WolfTrap, Shearwater (39' ft schooner, a good choice), Sedish
Cruiser, Solution 48, Bird of Dawning.
From "30-Odd Boats:"
Lion's Paw, Apogee, Hesperus, Titania, Tonweya. Also the Rose, if
your crew is large enough.
From "Boats With An Open Mind:"
Benergaria, Breakdown Schooner, Red Zinger, Volunteer, Advanced
Sharpie 29, Loose Moose, Ataraxia, Offshore Leeboarder (39', a very
good choice), Barn Owl.
From a quick look through just one stack of "Messing About In Boats:"
55' Keel Sharpie Live-on-board Concept, Baltic Sea Cruiser Racer,
Jack Hannah, 50' Fast Cruising Schooner, 65' Pinky Schooner (48'
alternate mentioned but not described), 48' Auxiliary Lugger.
My choice? Sweet Chariot has to rank high, and the Offshore
Leeboarder and the 50' Fast Cruising Schooner look very fine.
Peter
There are any number of Bolger designs that could take a family on an
extended cruise. I'm not qualified to comment on ocean crossing
ability.
You might check out the newest issue of WoodenBoat (Jan-Feb, 2002)
which has a spread of PCB designs. The one that comes the closest is
the Hannah. It has a double bed, and is probably a couple's boat.
Barn Own would be spendid, and there are several other designs in the
line of Thames barge-inspired boats, including Romp, the junk rigged
Swedish cruiser, etc. Sweet Chariot is about the right size, and
double ended. You could ponder the pleasures of Volunteer.
There's a multi-chine leeboard cruiser meant for the Red Sea, a very
simple multi-chine 39' centerboard yawl, etc, etc.
And a schooner or two.
In your place, the first thing to do is write out your requirements
list being very detailed and realistic. For example, do you need
sleeping places for 5 without anyone having to sleep in the main
cabin? What do you really need in the way of ocean crossing ability?
Peter
extended cruise. I'm not qualified to comment on ocean crossing
ability.
You might check out the newest issue of WoodenBoat (Jan-Feb, 2002)
which has a spread of PCB designs. The one that comes the closest is
the Hannah. It has a double bed, and is probably a couple's boat.
Barn Own would be spendid, and there are several other designs in the
line of Thames barge-inspired boats, including Romp, the junk rigged
Swedish cruiser, etc. Sweet Chariot is about the right size, and
double ended. You could ponder the pleasures of Volunteer.
There's a multi-chine leeboard cruiser meant for the Red Sea, a very
simple multi-chine 39' centerboard yawl, etc, etc.
And a schooner or two.
In your place, the first thing to do is write out your requirements
list being very detailed and realistic. For example, do you need
sleeping places for 5 without anyone having to sleep in the main
cabin? What do you really need in the way of ocean crossing ability?
Peter
I mean FIJI, not TAHITI
> You are thinking of "Tahiti" - this boat is intended for 2 though.
Hi -
You are thinking of "Tahiti" - this boat is intended for 2 though.
You could make the engine room into an aft cabin if necessary, by
sliding the engine forward into the large hold amidships. You would
need then to run the prop shaft straight aft through the hull
(violating the - 'no through hulls below the waterline' sacred cow).
Tahiti is also a very heavy boat - they have other designs that would
be better suited to family cruising without the cost needed for all
that bulk.
-- info relayed via PB&F as I asked them earlier this month about
Tahiti modified to carry a family...
Mike
You are thinking of "Tahiti" - this boat is intended for 2 though.
You could make the engine room into an aft cabin if necessary, by
sliding the engine forward into the large hold amidships. You would
need then to run the prop shaft straight aft through the hull
(violating the - 'no through hulls below the waterline' sacred cow).
Tahiti is also a very heavy boat - they have other designs that would
be better suited to family cruising without the cost needed for all
that bulk.
-- info relayed via PB&F as I asked them earlier this month about
Tahiti modified to carry a family...
Mike
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> In the last issue of "Boat Design Quarterly" there was a 40'-50'
> oceaan going pilot house Sharpie by Phil Bolger, junk rigged with
> full battened gaff sails, masts in tabernacle, single off centre
> centreboard, I think dual rudders with the outboard on centreline.
> I'll scan it and post it to Bolger 2, hopefully tomorrow if I cab
> find it at home tonight.
Sorry, I got mixed up, it's called "AntiSpray", not Anhinga, an
Advanced Sharpie 48, and a sketch is in the egroup Bolger2 under the
files.
Bruce Hector
Advanced Sharpie 48, and a sketch is in the egroup Bolger2 under the
files.
Bruce Hector
In the last issue of "Boat Design Quarterly" there was a 40'-50'
oceaan going pilot house Sharpie by Phil Bolger, junk rigged with
full battened gaff sails, masts in tabernacle, single off centre
centreboard, I think dual rudders with the outboard on centreline.
I'll scan it and post it to Bolger 2, hopefully tomorrow if I cab
find it at home tonight.
Even the editor, of the rag said she would do everything well.
Also, try "Anhinga" as a search word, there's a Bolger cartoon of it
somewhere, maybe on Bolger2.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
oceaan going pilot house Sharpie by Phil Bolger, junk rigged with
full battened gaff sails, masts in tabernacle, single off centre
centreboard, I think dual rudders with the outboard on centreline.
I'll scan it and post it to Bolger 2, hopefully tomorrow if I cab
find it at home tonight.
Even the editor, of the rag said she would do everything well.
Also, try "Anhinga" as a search word, there's a Bolger cartoon of it
somewhere, maybe on Bolger2.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
Sure -
Check out Loose Moose, or 55 Foot Keel Sharpie Live-On-Board Concept
for a couple of older designs.
Maybe they would be willing to propose an AS-38 for you. I suggest
too that you write to them regarding any recent proposals - there
might be something up their sleve.
Cheers.
Mike
Check out Loose Moose, or 55 Foot Keel Sharpie Live-On-Board Concept
for a couple of older designs.
Maybe they would be willing to propose an AS-38 for you. I suggest
too that you write to them regarding any recent proposals - there
might be something up their sleve.
Cheers.
Mike
--- In bolger@y..., "r_biese" <biese.ronald@w...> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I've been in this group for a year, a lot of fun to read
> left it due to sailing and back again...
> no, please don't flame me
>
> is there a design for 4 to 5 *my family*
> really oceangoing, cruising,
> well I try to clear my head of.....
> double ended, long keel, etc......
> THERE must be something beside the plastic world
>
> should be big, fat and a real sailing home
>
> could be mono, cat or what else
> is it possible to bolger round the world ??
>
> Ronald
> \\|//
> (o o)
> ------------------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo----------------------------
> "Making the simple complicated is commonplace;
> making the complicated simple, awesomely simple,
> that's creativity." - Charles Mingus
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Hi all
I've been in this group for a year, a lot of fun to read
left it due to sailing and back again...
no, please don't flame me
is there a design for 4 to 5 *my family*
really oceangoing, cruising,
well I try to clear my head of.....
double ended, long keel, etc......
THERE must be something beside the plastic world
should be big, fat and a real sailing home
could be mono, cat or what else
is it possible to bolger round the world ??
Ronald
\\|//
(o o)
------------------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo----------------------------
"Making the simple complicated is commonplace;
making the complicated simple, awesomely simple,
that's creativity." - Charles Mingus
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I've been in this group for a year, a lot of fun to read
left it due to sailing and back again...
no, please don't flame me
is there a design for 4 to 5 *my family*
really oceangoing, cruising,
well I try to clear my head of.....
double ended, long keel, etc......
THERE must be something beside the plastic world
should be big, fat and a real sailing home
could be mono, cat or what else
is it possible to bolger round the world ??
Ronald
\\|//
(o o)
------------------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo----------------------------
"Making the simple complicated is commonplace;
making the complicated simple, awesomely simple,
that's creativity." - Charles Mingus
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