[bolger] Re: AS-29 clone/Spelling
Chuck Merrell wrote:
PCB&F:Well Gang, there you have it, straight from the horses mouth (almost). I
sure hope I never accidentally walk into Susanne's Butcher Shop . . . a guy
could get killed.I do agree with one fact from the Susanne/Bolger School of Boat Design as
stated below. It ain't a good idea to submerse the bow of a sharpie (or
Dory). We all know that's the major fault of "Badger" don't we Phil?I'm quite surprised that PCB&F weren't aware of Tanton's design #980 before
today. It's been published, I've seen it in print in a magazine design
section at least a year ago but can't remember where.I also think that I don't like to see such a "mono-dialogue" as this
published on the list. For a start, it'll be around forever. Fine if you
want to call somebody up and complain, protest, or whatever but this smacks
of cheap shot and borders on defamation. It's rollicking good entertainment
for us rail birds, and classic of the Altenberger hit and run style, but if
I were Tanton and saw this, I might be tempted to ring up my lawyer--you
never know what can happen in a courtroom when everything is argued out and
goes to the jury.In my very humble opinion, this display is pretty smarmy and
characteristically mean spirited. It's something that could tend to lower
Phil's stature rather than the intended opposite effect.So, in the future it might be 1.) a decent idea to leave stuff like this to
the realm of private business 2.) Don't think this list is a Bully Pulpit
just for PCB&F use to air grievances and perceived transgressions and 3.
Limit your postings to information about Bolger designs as prompted by list
member's questions.And, oh yeah, some of Phil's masterful, inimitable, narrative talking of
marine things demonstrating his superior intellect as he used to do in SBJ
(and private letters to me) would be would be more than welcome--as opposed
to memoranda from the office staff.Respectfully submitted,
Chuck
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CHUCK MERRELL
MERRELL WATERCRAFT
P. O. Box 80264
Seattle, WA 98108-0264
(206) 764-1298
Email: chuck@...
Web Site: http://www.boatdesign.com
**********************************----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Bolger and Friends" <pcb@...>
To: <bolger@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 3:09 PM
Subject: [bolger] AS-29 clone> - Just got off the phone with the good offices of TANTON. First thing
> we hear is something .."yacht brokerage". Wished we had time for
> extra-curriculars...
> - We ask anonymously as to why the design so closely matches AS29 - we
> want to hear the standard sales pitch:
> - "I like to improve things..."
> - It needed improving? How do you know? Have you sailed an AS-29?
> - "No!"
> - Have you seen an AS-29?
> - "No!"
> - How do you know that she needs improvements.
> - "The bow needs to be submerged for longer waterline - I've done many
> chine-boats... This will keep the boat from hobby-horsing"
> - How about following seas, bow-eddymaking in general with submerged
> bow chines?
> - (no useful response) ...and Chappelle did this..."
> - Chapelle was an historian, recording the status quo as he found it.
> He did not have much time for a design practice, some - but not much.
> - It seems like the rig will degrade her sailing as well?
> - "No, I've done many of these..."
> - Do you have any other copies of Bolger's in the works?
> - "Oh no, this is not a copy at all!! She is very different. When you
> look at her bow, it's pointed, and the mast is different. And yes the
> rudder too..."
> - People on the web seem to think that this is copy of AS-29!
> - "Oh, no this design is very different."
> - Do you plan to run other copies of Bolger's work?
> - "Oh no, I don't do this, why are you attacking me? I like to improve
> things. My design looks very different... I have designed many such
> craft and I know how to do this."
> - Where would we have seen your sharpies?
> - "Oh I've done many. 70 footers and 60-footers and..."
> - It seems that you've taken the AS-29, degraded the design, offer it
> as your own, and then call it an improvement.
> - "No my design is very different... Who are you, what do you want?
> Are you a builder or something.
> - No, we design boats. This is the Office of Phil Bolger & Friends...
> - "Who?"
> - Phil Bolger and Friends. People on the web wonder what you are doing
> there. We wonder too. Do have any other copies of our work in the
> pipeline??
> - "No, I don't do this. This is a very different design!"
> - You are spending quite an effort on advertising. What to you think
> people will make of your improved AS-29?"
> - (exasperated!)"This design looks very different...!"
> - Perhaps you are the only one out there who thinks so... Let us know
> what other of our designs will be 'improved'... Good bye.
>
> Jeez, they are really out there!! One of these days we'll have it all
> together and will offer the chronological order of the work and its
> details. No, it's unlikely that Mr. Tanton's brokerage will get a
> freeby catalogue. On the other hand, one could really get to work with
> all sorts of improvements... Incidentally, only about half of our work
> has ever been published. There will be much time lost missing
> appointments with boat-buyers perusing Bolger's stuff.
>
> Do you think he'll change the sales-pitch. Well, imitation is the
> sincerest... This one is a bit close! Perhaps we'll call him again
> some day...
>
>
>
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