Re: [bolger] Re: Pontoons
Training wheels aren't necessisarily a good safety device.
Standing up to cast? Sure. Daysailing? Well you're trading the chance of leaning over a bit for the chance of a cartwheel. I'd rather lean.
I remember watching a non-sailor with his brand new Hobie Cat out in the middle of the Halifax River. He managed to pitchpole three times before driving it up on the beach fast enough to bring the bow some fifteen feet from the waterline. We never saw him on the river again.
Roger
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Standing up to cast? Sure. Daysailing? Well you're trading the chance of leaning over a bit for the chance of a cartwheel. I'd rather lean.
I remember watching a non-sailor with his brand new Hobie Cat out in the middle of the Halifax River. He managed to pitchpole three times before driving it up on the beach fast enough to bring the bow some fifteen feet from the waterline. We never saw him on the river again.
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: Steven DAntonio
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 4:10 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Pontoons
I'm currently reading through 2 of PCB's books (Boats with an open
mind and the folding schooner book)and he has several designes where
the boat can be made as a single hull or optional 3 hull (trimaran)
for increased stablity.
My first PCB boat, which I haven't completed yet (actually I'm still
in the asking a lot of questions stage) will be a windsprint and I
will also make 2 additional pontoons to attach for increased
stability. I can see they would be useful if I want to fish from the
boat (standing up to cast and stuff like that) or if I want to bring
my mother out for a day of sailing.
And yes, their not boaty looking enough for a lot of folks. I
actually have jokingly refer to then in conversation as training
wheels for the boat.
Steven
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Waldo F. Odonahue" <waldofo@...> wrote:
>
> Any reason why simple pontoons (aluminum or other material) are not
used more often - rather than relying on a "standard" hull to cope
with the fact that a boat has to move through water? Although
Catamarans have proven themselves (some say) - is this all about
pontoons not being "boaty looking enough"?
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Reminds me of a small book I studied while preparing to simulate the handling of a supertanker for ESSO. The title was something like "Ship Handling in Narrow Channels," and it dealt extensively with the various ways to end up cross-wise in a cut with the bow aground on one side and the stern on the other.
It's not just pontoons that push water to the side as they displace enough to stay on the surface; and the other effect is that the prop(s) are pulling water from around the stern. Two ships passing in a narrow channel will often slam their sterns together.
A couple of our people rode a "normal" tanker (50,000 tons or so) from Houston to New Jersey. The ship couldn't use full power until it got out of the gulf and into the open ocean lest the squat from the propellers pull the stern down to the bottom.
A fun project, it died when I analyzed the display requirements. Objects large enough to show on a TV screen were too close for the pilot/captain to do anything about. We needed a 180 degree arc horizontally by 3 degrees vertically with 3 minute resolution. That's sixty normal televisions, synchronized and aligned -- too tough for 1970 technology. Most of what one sees out the bridge windows is the bow of one's own ship. ESSO went back to training skippers on their lake in Switzerland.
Roger
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It's not just pontoons that push water to the side as they displace enough to stay on the surface; and the other effect is that the prop(s) are pulling water from around the stern. Two ships passing in a narrow channel will often slam their sterns together.
A couple of our people rode a "normal" tanker (50,000 tons or so) from Houston to New Jersey. The ship couldn't use full power until it got out of the gulf and into the open ocean lest the squat from the propellers pull the stern down to the bottom.
A fun project, it died when I analyzed the display requirements. Objects large enough to show on a TV screen were too close for the pilot/captain to do anything about. We needed a 180 degree arc horizontally by 3 degrees vertically with 3 minute resolution. That's sixty normal televisions, synchronized and aligned -- too tough for 1970 technology. Most of what one sees out the bridge windows is the bow of one's own ship. ESSO went back to training skippers on their lake in Switzerland.
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: Chester Young
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Pontoons
I believe that on of the issues with standard round pontoons is that as they
accelerate they exert a force in all directions predominately pushing the
water aside instead of downward. Pushing the water aside creates the hole
that the following portions of the pontoon fall into, creating additional
draft requirements, drag to the pontoons and resultant poor performance. My
experience with a pontoon and the submarine phenomena was in Goodland
Florida, an area of extreme shallow waters with abundant cuts, channels and
rapidly appearing sandbars. We were at speed (8-10 mph) cruising along when
an unseen sandbar got itself directly in front of the pontoon boat. (cursed
sandbars) The sudden reduction in depth allowed the front end of the
pontoons to push so much water out of the way that the pontoons themselves
ran into the submerged sandbar. This all happened quickly, first the nose
dove, at which point I was easing off the throttle, then the nose made
contact with the sandbar. Had I not been easing off the throttle, not only
would we have put the 1 foot plus of water onto the deck, we would have come
to rapid stop with full forward motion. As it was we stopped with only a
small amount of bottom contact and all passengers remained in their seats,
on the boat, albeit with wet feet. With a flat bottom pontoon a lot of the
force that is generated is exerted downward, which is repelled by the
resistance of water to compress, not creating a hole for the hull to fall
into. Then when shallow water is approached the downward force transmitted
through the water is bounced back to the hull from the bottom, keeping the
boat on top.
My experience with a Tennessee reflects of lot of what I think is happening
with round pontoons.
I would like to here some comments and or corrections to the above theory.
Caloosarat ~
_____
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Waldo F. Odonahue
Four of us rented a pontoon boat on Kentucky Lake a few years ago. I sat at
the rear to maneuver while the other three put their lawn chairs at the bow.
After we cleared the marina, I opened the throttle. "Dive, dive, dive!" I
got the throttle closed before we were more than a few inches below the
surface, and the people moved back to the stern.
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I believe that on of the issues with standard round pontoons is that as they
accelerate they exert a force in all directions predominately pushing the
water aside instead of downward. Pushing the water aside creates the hole
that the following portions of the pontoon fall into, creating additional
draft requirements, drag to the pontoons and resultant poor performance. My
experience with a pontoon and the submarine phenomena was in Goodland
Florida, an area of extreme shallow waters with abundant cuts, channels and
rapidly appearing sandbars. We were at speed (8-10 mph) cruising along when
an unseen sandbar got itself directly in front of the pontoon boat. (cursed
sandbars) The sudden reduction in depth allowed the front end of the
pontoons to push so much water out of the way that the pontoons themselves
ran into the submerged sandbar. This all happened quickly, first the nose
dove, at which point I was easing off the throttle, then the nose made
contact with the sandbar. Had I not been easing off the throttle, not only
would we have put the 1 foot plus of water onto the deck, we would have come
to rapid stop with full forward motion. As it was we stopped with only a
small amount of bottom contact and all passengers remained in their seats,
on the boat, albeit with wet feet. With a flat bottom pontoon a lot of the
force that is generated is exerted downward, which is repelled by the
resistance of water to compress, not creating a hole for the hull to fall
into. Then when shallow water is approached the downward force transmitted
through the water is bounced back to the hull from the bottom, keeping the
boat on top.
My experience with a Tennessee reflects of lot of what I think is happening
with round pontoons.
I would like to here some comments and or corrections to the above theory.
Caloosarat ~
_____
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Waldo F. Odonahue
Four of us rented a pontoon boat on Kentucky Lake a few years ago. I sat at
the rear to maneuver while the other three put their lawn chairs at the bow.
After we cleared the marina, I opened the throttle. "Dive, dive, dive!" I
got the throttle closed before we were more than a few inches below the
surface, and the people moved back to the stern.
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accelerate they exert a force in all directions predominately pushing the
water aside instead of downward. Pushing the water aside creates the hole
that the following portions of the pontoon fall into, creating additional
draft requirements, drag to the pontoons and resultant poor performance. My
experience with a pontoon and the submarine phenomena was in Goodland
Florida, an area of extreme shallow waters with abundant cuts, channels and
rapidly appearing sandbars. We were at speed (8-10 mph) cruising along when
an unseen sandbar got itself directly in front of the pontoon boat. (cursed
sandbars) The sudden reduction in depth allowed the front end of the
pontoons to push so much water out of the way that the pontoons themselves
ran into the submerged sandbar. This all happened quickly, first the nose
dove, at which point I was easing off the throttle, then the nose made
contact with the sandbar. Had I not been easing off the throttle, not only
would we have put the 1 foot plus of water onto the deck, we would have come
to rapid stop with full forward motion. As it was we stopped with only a
small amount of bottom contact and all passengers remained in their seats,
on the boat, albeit with wet feet. With a flat bottom pontoon a lot of the
force that is generated is exerted downward, which is repelled by the
resistance of water to compress, not creating a hole for the hull to fall
into. Then when shallow water is approached the downward force transmitted
through the water is bounced back to the hull from the bottom, keeping the
boat on top.
My experience with a Tennessee reflects of lot of what I think is happening
with round pontoons.
I would like to here some comments and or corrections to the above theory.
Caloosarat ~
_____
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Waldo F. Odonahue
Four of us rented a pontoon boat on Kentucky Lake a few years ago. I sat at
the rear to maneuver while the other three put their lawn chairs at the bow.
After we cleared the marina, I opened the throttle. "Dive, dive, dive!" I
got the throttle closed before we were more than a few inches below the
surface, and the people moved back to the stern.
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On 9/25/06, Waldo F. Odonahue <waldofo@...> wrote:
much comparable to a pontoon boat in functionality, size and cost.
Search Google, John Bartlett built one, named 'Pelican', and was
renting it out in Florida (I recall).
> I was thinking of something in the line of a multihull coastal trawler - but I don't have $400,000 to spend on the latter.Take a look at the Bolger design 'Bantam', a tri-hull but still very
much comparable to a pontoon boat in functionality, size and cost.
Search Google, John Bartlett built one, named 'Pelican', and was
renting it out in Florida (I recall).
Well I was thinking of more of a "boat" than: a Trans Altlantic shipping container sitting on undersized pontoons shaped like a Trans Atlantic shipping containers - with undersized motor.
I was thinking of something in the line of a multihull coastal trawler - but I don't have $400,000 to spend on the latter.
Four of us rented a pontoon boat on Kentucky Lake a few years ago. I sat at the rear to maneuver while the other three put their lawn chairs at the bow. After we cleared the marina, I opened the throttle. "Dive, dive, dive!" I got the throttle closed before we were more than a few inches below the surface, and the people moved back to the stern.
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I was thinking of something in the line of a multihull coastal trawler - but I don't have $400,000 to spend on the latter.
Four of us rented a pontoon boat on Kentucky Lake a few years ago. I sat at the rear to maneuver while the other three put their lawn chairs at the bow. After we cleared the marina, I opened the throttle. "Dive, dive, dive!" I got the throttle closed before we were more than a few inches below the surface, and the people moved back to the stern.
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> From: Waldo F. OdonahuePhil Bolger probably has a dozen 'pontoon-like' boats Bantam and
>
> Any reason why simple pontoons (aluminum or other material) are not used more often - rather than relying on a "standard" hull to cope with the fact that a boat has to move through water? Although Catamarans have proven themselves (some say) - is this all about pontoons not being "boaty looking enough"?
Double Eagle come immediately to mind, and neither are 'boaty looking'
but both are 'boat functional'. I think that generally, Phil Bolger
has stayed away from the hollow pontoon, probably because he sees it
as wasted space, more often he would find some double duty use for the
volume of space in the pontoon.
Not used by whom, for what?
They're found here in the Midwest by the thousands for those who want to sit on a platform to get tan, watch the scenery, or fish. Of course, if you want to get out of a driving rainstorm, or stow your camera equipment where the waves can't get it, then you need an enclosure. Oops! If you put it on top, the added windage calls for more power, makes maneuvering tough, and people call you a houseboat. Gee, maybe we can put a hatch in the pontoon and use that empty volume. Nah. That would just make it one more aluminum hull.
Four of us rented a pontoon boat on Kentucky Lake a few years ago. I sat at the rear to maneuver while the other three put their lawn chairs at the bow. After we cleared the marina, I opened the throttle. "Dive, dive, dive!" I got the throttle closed before we were more than a few inches below the surface, and the people moved back to the stern. I guess if we wanted to use all that surface or handle any sort of waves, we'd need a higher bow, sort of a "boaty" shape.
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They're found here in the Midwest by the thousands for those who want to sit on a platform to get tan, watch the scenery, or fish. Of course, if you want to get out of a driving rainstorm, or stow your camera equipment where the waves can't get it, then you need an enclosure. Oops! If you put it on top, the added windage calls for more power, makes maneuvering tough, and people call you a houseboat. Gee, maybe we can put a hatch in the pontoon and use that empty volume. Nah. That would just make it one more aluminum hull.
Four of us rented a pontoon boat on Kentucky Lake a few years ago. I sat at the rear to maneuver while the other three put their lawn chairs at the bow. After we cleared the marina, I opened the throttle. "Dive, dive, dive!" I got the throttle closed before we were more than a few inches below the surface, and the people moved back to the stern. I guess if we wanted to use all that surface or handle any sort of waves, we'd need a higher bow, sort of a "boaty" shape.
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: Waldo F. Odonahue
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 9:39 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Pontoons
Any reason why simple pontoons (aluminum or other material) are not used more often - rather than relying on a "standard" hull to cope with the fact that a boat has to move through water? Although Catamarans have proven themselves (some say) - is this all about pontoons not being "boaty looking enough"?
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"donald hodges" <dhodge-@...> wrote:
5200-type things. I think it's 15 cents a tube more than their
polyurethane house version.
> John, I have come to love the "PL" foaming polyurethane adhesive inthe
> caulking tube. Much less expensive than 5200, and just as effectivefor
> bonding wood. I put a friend onto it recently, and he used it toglue the
> bottom on a beautiful plywood drift boat. He was every satisfiedwith the
> results. I have used lots of 5200 around big fiberglass boats, andstill
> have a fair amount of it on my hands and clothes<g>. Ah, but itmakes that
> gorgeous white line in the joint... good if you are billing for yourwork
> or going for resale value.PL Also makes a polyurethane based sealant which is much cheaper than
>
5200-type things. I think it's 15 cents a tube more than their
polyurethane house version.
Don is right on the mark here about the PL Polyurethane. It would seem
especially suited to the framing lumber on plywood mold/bulkheads. I've
heven't used the stuff in the tubes, but did use the glue in a bottle. As
long as you have good clamping and a fine joint, this stuff is great.
Robert & Amy Lundy
St. Petersburg, fla.
robert@...
amy@...
especially suited to the framing lumber on plywood mold/bulkheads. I've
heven't used the stuff in the tubes, but did use the glue in a bottle. As
long as you have good clamping and a fine joint, this stuff is great.
Robert & Amy Lundy
St. Petersburg, fla.
robert@...
amy@...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Hodges [mailto:dhodges@...]
> Sent: January 12, 2000 1:33 AM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: enough
>
>
> John, I have come to love the "PL" foaming polyurethane adhesive in the
> caulking tube. Much less expensive than 5200, and just as effective for
> bonding wood. I put a friend onto it recently, and he used it to glue the
> bottom on a beautiful plywood drift boat. He was every satisfied with the
> results. I have used lots of 5200 around big fiberglass boats,
> and still
> have a fair amount of it on my hands and clothes<g>. Ah, but it
> makes that
> gorgeous white line in the joint... good if you are billing for your work
> or going for resale value.
>
> Don Hodges
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Bell <jmbell@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 9:55 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: enough
>
>
> > You got it!
> >
> > Item number one: I've been updating my web site this week to
> include some
> > new pictures of Sportdory. Take a look and tell me what you think.
> >http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com/dory.htm
> >
> > Item number two: Little progress to report on the IMB front. Last week I
> > went to the boat show here in Atlanta instead of working on the
> boat. I've
> > come to the conclusion that the only type of boat I'll *buy* is
> a pontoon.
> > The rest of the power and sail cruiser leave me cold. The one exception
> was
> > the F-28 triamaran. That's a way cool boat. I'll need to make a lot more
> > money before I could ever afford one, though.
> >
> > I did buy a bunch of materials for IMB this week: stainless
> ring nails and
> > bronze screws and a couple tubes of 5200. I'm going to experiment with
> this
> > stuff instead of epoxy for sticking dimensional lumber to
> bulkheads, etc.
> > Reports to follow.
> >
> > 1/4" in 16'? Not bad at all! Keep us posted...
> >
> > John Bell
> > Kennesaw, GA
> >jmbell@...
> >http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com
> >
> >
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You are right - dangerous in any kind of waves, and that includes lakes,
too. Last year, some friends rented a pontoon boat for the weekend - not
novices, either - and "bumped" into a motorboat wake on the lake. The
pontoon stopped nose down, the engine came out of the water, someone went
OVER the front into the water, and then was scooped BACK onboard along with
3 feet off water. No one hurt.
The year before, a 9 year old grandson went over the front, struck dead by
the lower unit. Tragic.
Gregg Carlson
At 10:57 PM 1/11/2000 -0800, you wrote:
too. Last year, some friends rented a pontoon boat for the weekend - not
novices, either - and "bumped" into a motorboat wake on the lake. The
pontoon stopped nose down, the engine came out of the water, someone went
OVER the front into the water, and then was scooped BACK onboard along with
3 feet off water. No one hurt.
The year before, a 9 year old grandson went over the front, struck dead by
the lower unit. Tragic.
Gregg Carlson
At 10:57 PM 1/11/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>Before you buy that pontoon boat, ride in one. My opinion is that they arepontoon.
>real dogs in rough weather. Nice enough when it is calm, though.
>> went to the boat show here in Atlanta instead of working on the boat. I've
>> come to the conclusion that the only type of boat I'll *buy* is a
When you do get your cordless drill: I'm glad I happened on to a 12 volt,
which is passe with the 18 volts out there, as the little, quick charge
batteries can do a lot of things. Run bilge pumps, lights, trolling motor in
a pinch, might be able to start a car, thou I haven't tried this as it might
blow up battery, power to diagnose trailer light problems(seem endless)...
David Ryan wrote:
which is passe with the 18 volts out there, as the little, quick charge
batteries can do a lot of things. Run bilge pumps, lights, trolling motor in
a pinch, might be able to start a car, thou I haven't tried this as it might
blow up battery, power to diagnose trailer light problems(seem endless)...
David Ryan wrote:
> more about wooden
>
> more about expoxy that won't cure
>
> more idle speculation about ill advised modifications that none of us
> have the balls to try
>
> more of anything but bickering, or more especially, explanations as
> to why it really wasn't bickering.
>
> BTW
>
> I didn't get the cordless reversable drill I wanted for Christmas, so
> I haven't backed the screws out of my mast. But I did "crack" them
> with a manual.
>
> There's only about 1/4" of warp in 16 feet. I'm pretty please.
>
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John:
Great pictures of the sport dory. Looks like a lot of fun.
Before you buy that pontoon boat, ride in one. My opinion is that they are
real dogs in rough weather. Nice enough when it is calm, though.
I can't wait to see your progress on the IMB. I got a chance to ride in Tim
Webber's Scram Pram last spring, and was really impressed. These are nifty
little boats.
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg
Great pictures of the sport dory. Looks like a lot of fun.
Before you buy that pontoon boat, ride in one. My opinion is that they are
real dogs in rough weather. Nice enough when it is calm, though.
I can't wait to see your progress on the IMB. I got a chance to ride in Tim
Webber's Scram Pram last spring, and was really impressed. These are nifty
little boats.
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg
----- Original Message -----
From: John Bell <jmbell@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 7:55 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: enough
> You got it!
>
> Item number one: I've been updating my web site this week to include some
> new pictures of Sportdory. Take a look and tell me what you think.
>http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com/dory.htm
>
> Item number two: Little progress to report on the IMB front. Last week I
> went to the boat show here in Atlanta instead of working on the boat. I've
> come to the conclusion that the only type of boat I'll *buy* is a pontoon.
> The rest of the power and sail cruiser leave me cold. The one exception
was
> the F-28 triamaran. That's a way cool boat. I'll need to make a lot more
> money before I could ever afford one, though.
>
> I did buy a bunch of materials for IMB this week: stainless ring nails and
> bronze screws and a couple tubes of 5200. I'm going to experiment with
this
> stuff instead of epoxy for sticking dimensional lumber to bulkheads, etc.
> Reports to follow.
>
> 1/4" in 16'? Not bad at all! Keep us posted...
>
> John Bell
> Kennesaw, GA
>jmbell@...
>http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Ryan <david@...>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> a day to win $1,000,000.00. We've already had two $1,000,000.00
> jackpot winners and thousands of other cash prizes. You could be
> a $1,000,000.00 winner tonight!
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>
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>
>
John, I have come to love the "PL" foaming polyurethane adhesive in the
caulking tube. Much less expensive than 5200, and just as effective for
bonding wood. I put a friend onto it recently, and he used it to glue the
bottom on a beautiful plywood drift boat. He was every satisfied with the
results. I have used lots of 5200 around big fiberglass boats, and still
have a fair amount of it on my hands and clothes<g>. Ah, but it makes that
gorgeous white line in the joint... good if you are billing for your work
or going for resale value.
Don Hodges
caulking tube. Much less expensive than 5200, and just as effective for
bonding wood. I put a friend onto it recently, and he used it to glue the
bottom on a beautiful plywood drift boat. He was every satisfied with the
results. I have used lots of 5200 around big fiberglass boats, and still
have a fair amount of it on my hands and clothes<g>. Ah, but it makes that
gorgeous white line in the joint... good if you are billing for your work
or going for resale value.
Don Hodges
----- Original Message -----
From: John Bell <jmbell@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 9:55 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: enough
> You got it!
>
> Item number one: I've been updating my web site this week to include some
> new pictures of Sportdory. Take a look and tell me what you think.
>http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com/dory.htm
>
> Item number two: Little progress to report on the IMB front. Last week I
> went to the boat show here in Atlanta instead of working on the boat. I've
> come to the conclusion that the only type of boat I'll *buy* is a pontoon.
> The rest of the power and sail cruiser leave me cold. The one exception
was
> the F-28 triamaran. That's a way cool boat. I'll need to make a lot more
> money before I could ever afford one, though.
>
> I did buy a bunch of materials for IMB this week: stainless ring nails and
> bronze screws and a couple tubes of 5200. I'm going to experiment with
this
> stuff instead of epoxy for sticking dimensional lumber to bulkheads, etc.
> Reports to follow.
>
> 1/4" in 16'? Not bad at all! Keep us posted...
>
> John Bell
> Kennesaw, GA
>jmbell@...
>http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com
>
>
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You got it!
Item number one: I've been updating my web site this week to include some
new pictures of Sportdory. Take a look and tell me what you think.
http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com/dory.htm
Item number two: Little progress to report on the IMB front. Last week I
went to the boat show here in Atlanta instead of working on the boat. I've
come to the conclusion that the only type of boat I'll *buy* is a pontoon.
The rest of the power and sail cruiser leave me cold. The one exception was
the F-28 triamaran. That's a way cool boat. I'll need to make a lot more
money before I could ever afford one, though.
I did buy a bunch of materials for IMB this week: stainless ring nails and
bronze screws and a couple tubes of 5200. I'm going to experiment with this
stuff instead of epoxy for sticking dimensional lumber to bulkheads, etc.
Reports to follow.
1/4" in 16'? Not bad at all! Keep us posted...
John Bell
Kennesaw, GA
jmbell@...
http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com
Item number one: I've been updating my web site this week to include some
new pictures of Sportdory. Take a look and tell me what you think.
http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com/dory.htm
Item number two: Little progress to report on the IMB front. Last week I
went to the boat show here in Atlanta instead of working on the boat. I've
come to the conclusion that the only type of boat I'll *buy* is a pontoon.
The rest of the power and sail cruiser leave me cold. The one exception was
the F-28 triamaran. That's a way cool boat. I'll need to make a lot more
money before I could ever afford one, though.
I did buy a bunch of materials for IMB this week: stainless ring nails and
bronze screws and a couple tubes of 5200. I'm going to experiment with this
stuff instead of epoxy for sticking dimensional lumber to bulkheads, etc.
Reports to follow.
1/4" in 16'? Not bad at all! Keep us posted...
John Bell
Kennesaw, GA
jmbell@...
http://jmbell.home.mindspring.com
----- Original Message -----
From: David Ryan <david@...>
more about wooden
more about expoxy that won't cure
more idle speculation about ill advised modifications that none of us
have the balls to try
more of anything but bickering, or more especially, explanations as
to why it really wasn't bickering.
BTW
I didn't get the cordless reversable drill I wanted for Christmas, so
I haven't backed the screws out of my mast. But I did "crack" them
with a manual.
There's only about 1/4" of warp in 16 feet. I'm pretty please.
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
more about expoxy that won't cure
more idle speculation about ill advised modifications that none of us
have the balls to try
more of anything but bickering, or more especially, explanations as
to why it really wasn't bickering.
BTW
I didn't get the cordless reversable drill I wanted for Christmas, so
I haven't backed the screws out of my mast. But I did "crack" them
with a manual.
There's only about 1/4" of warp in 16 feet. I'm pretty please.
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296