Re: Puffer 40
Dave,
No text,just drawings for PUFFER if you look here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/BIG%20BOLGER%20BOATS/
Peter Lenihan
No text,just drawings for PUFFER if you look here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/BIG%20BOLGER%20BOATS/
Peter Lenihan
--- In bolger@y..., "weekender24" <weekender24@y...> wrote:
> Does Clyde or anyone else have a copy of the "Puffer 40" article
> posted where I could see it. Having just moved I am still missing
my
> back stack of MAIB...I know that they're in a box, but I don't know
> which box or which room. Thanks for the help.
>
> Dave
> --- In bolger@y..., "Clyde S. Wisner" <clydewis@c...> wrote:
> > I really like the other half of that article, the "Puffer 40".
> When my wife thought I was serious
> > about sending $2000 to finish the plans, she became much more
> interested in finding a place to retire
> > on the Eastern Shore(MD), on land; and hence, my house project.
> Clyde
> >
> > David Ryan wrote:
> >
> > > Quoting from the article:
> > >
> > > "It has to resemble a real boat! You can not risk looking like a
> > > squatter, notwithstanding the fact
> > > that you actually are sort of. Thus, no shantyboats, pretty
> Belinda
> > > hideaway, and other provocations to nautical sensitivities."
> > >
> > > I think this rules out the "Loose Moose II"
> > >
> > > What I like about the Illinois is that in exchange for forgoing
a
> > > "real sea boat" you get something that looks like a real boat!
> > > Aesthetics are a consideration in any good design. I enjoy
> the "Loose
> > > Moose II" solution, but the "Illinois" actually comes closer to
> > > answering the question I find myself asking.
> > >
> > > Last night my wife and I were speculating on the super-folding
> > > schooner as a starting point for our "Dream Bolger Boat" Big
for
> > > bigness sake (not to mention the room!) A tamer schooner rig
for
> both
> > > the romance and true handiness (after 15 months of schooner
> sailing,
> > > I'll say they have much to recommend them over sloops!) and an
> honest
> > > respect of being a inshore/near shore boat.
> > >
> > > I'm tempted to write a letter!
> > >
> > > YIBB,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > >Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have
been
> > > >built and very spacious.
> > > >
> > > >Jeff
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: David Ryan
> > > > To: bolger@y...
> > > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:18 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming or Illinois?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small
> businessmen
> > > > kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming
of
> a life
> > > > of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the
> meaning
> > > > of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building
and
> living
> > > > about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to
> learn it
> > > > again.
> > > >
> > > > At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a
> sailboat with
> > > > more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat,
> easy to
> > > > look at and easy to build?
> > > >
> > > > YIBB,
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
> > > > >I want to build!
> > > > >
> > > > >I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
> > > > >which I view as a pure act of genius.
> > > > >
> > > > >http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with
the
> > > > >increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
> > > > >twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
> > > > >
> > > > >Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
> > > > >at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
> > > > >fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
> > > > >$22,500, round up to $40K.
> > > > >
> > > > >Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
> > > > >around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
> > > > >value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Bolger rules!!!
> > > > >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging
dead
> horses
> > > > >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and
punctuate
> > > > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip
all
> you like
> > > > >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
> Gloucester,
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> > > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip
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> you like
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> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all
you
> like
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> > > New York, New York 10001
> > >http://www.crumblingempire.com
> > > (212) 247-0296
> > >
> > >
> > > Bolger rules!!!
> > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead
horses
> > > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all
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> like
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Does Clyde or anyone else have a copy of the "Puffer 40" article
posted where I could see it. Having just moved I am still missing my
back stack of MAIB...I know that they're in a box, but I don't know
which box or which room. Thanks for the help.
Dave
posted where I could see it. Having just moved I am still missing my
back stack of MAIB...I know that they're in a box, but I don't know
which box or which room. Thanks for the help.
Dave
--- In bolger@y..., "Clyde S. Wisner" <clydewis@c...> wrote:
> I really like the other half of that article, the "Puffer 40".
When my wife thought I was serious
> about sending $2000 to finish the plans, she became much more
interested in finding a place to retire
> on the Eastern Shore(MD), on land; and hence, my house project.
Clyde
>
> David Ryan wrote:
>
> > Quoting from the article:
> >
> > "It has to resemble a real boat! You can not risk looking like a
> > squatter, notwithstanding the fact
> > that you actually are sort of. Thus, no shantyboats, pretty
Belinda
> > hideaway, and other provocations to nautical sensitivities."
> >
> > I think this rules out the "Loose Moose II"
> >
> > What I like about the Illinois is that in exchange for forgoing a
> > "real sea boat" you get something that looks like a real boat!
> > Aesthetics are a consideration in any good design. I enjoy
the "Loose
> > Moose II" solution, but the "Illinois" actually comes closer to
> > answering the question I find myself asking.
> >
> > Last night my wife and I were speculating on the super-folding
> > schooner as a starting point for our "Dream Bolger Boat" Big for
> > bigness sake (not to mention the room!) A tamer schooner rig for
both
> > the romance and true handiness (after 15 months of schooner
sailing,
> > I'll say they have much to recommend them over sloops!) and an
honest
> > respect of being a inshore/near shore boat.
> >
> > I'm tempted to write a letter!
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David
> >
> > >Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have been
> > >built and very spacious.
> > >
> > >Jeff
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: David Ryan
> > > To: bolger@y...
> > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:18 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming or Illinois?
> > >
> > >
> > > This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small
businessmen
> > > kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of
a life
> > > of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the
meaning
> > > of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and
living
> > > about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to
learn it
> > > again.
> > >
> > > At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a
sailboat with
> > > more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat,
easy to
> > > look at and easy to build?
> > >
> > > YIBB,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
> > > >I want to build!
> > > >
> > > >I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
> > > >which I view as a pure act of genius.
> > > >
> > > >http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
> > > >
> > > >This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
> > > >increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
> > > >twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
> > > >
> > > >Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
> > > >at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
> > > >fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
> > > >$22,500, round up to $40K.
> > > >
> > > >Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
> > > >around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
> > > >value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Bolger rules!!!
> > > >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead
horses
> > > >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> > > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all
you like
> > > >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
Gloucester,
> > > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > > >- Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
> > > >
> > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > > C.E.P.
> > > 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
> > > New York, New York 10001
> > >http://www.crumblingempire.com
> > > (212) 247-0296
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > > ADVERTISEMENT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bolger rules!!!
> > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead
horses
> > > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all
you like
> > > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
Gloucester,
> > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > > - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Bolger rules!!!
> > >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead
horses
> > >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you
like
> > >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
Gloucester,
> > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > >- Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
> > >
> > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> > C.E.P.
> > 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
> > New York, New York 10001
> >http://www.crumblingempire.com
> > (212) 247-0296
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you
like
> > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Clyde,
Berlin, MD, is a nice little town to retire to. My parents just finished
building a house there, and there are at least three developments in
development (Henry's Mill and Henry's Green come to mind right off -
contact Bunting Realty for details). At any rate, I can highly recommend
Piney Island Builders of Berlin. They have nice designs, can do custom
designs, and the workmanship is very good.
One really nice thing about being on the shore is it puts you in closer
proximity to the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum.
Good luck!
At 1/2/02 08:54 AM, you wrote:
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Berlin, MD, is a nice little town to retire to. My parents just finished
building a house there, and there are at least three developments in
development (Henry's Mill and Henry's Green come to mind right off -
contact Bunting Realty for details). At any rate, I can highly recommend
Piney Island Builders of Berlin. They have nice designs, can do custom
designs, and the workmanship is very good.
One really nice thing about being on the shore is it puts you in closer
proximity to the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum.
Good luck!
At 1/2/02 08:54 AM, you wrote:
>I really like the other half of that article, the "Puffer 40". When myGeren W. Mortensen, Jr.
>wife thought I was serious
>about sending $2000 to finish the plans, she became much more interested
>in finding a place to retire
>on the Eastern Shore(MD), on land; and hence, my house project. Clyde
>
>David Ryan wrote:
>
> > Quoting from the article:
> >
> > "It has to resemble a real boat! You can not risk looking like a
> > squatter, notwithstanding the fact
> > that you actually are sort of. Thus, no shantyboats, pretty Belinda
> > hideaway, and other provocations to nautical sensitivities."
> >
> > I think this rules out the "Loose Moose II"
> >
> > What I like about the Illinois is that in exchange for forgoing a
> > "real sea boat" you get something that looks like a real boat!
> > Aesthetics are a consideration in any good design. I enjoy the "Loose
> > Moose II" solution, but the "Illinois" actually comes closer to
> > answering the question I find myself asking.
> >
> > Last night my wife and I were speculating on the super-folding
> > schooner as a starting point for our "Dream Bolger Boat" Big for
> > bigness sake (not to mention the room!) A tamer schooner rig for both
> > the romance and true handiness (after 15 months of schooner sailing,
> > I'll say they have much to recommend them over sloops!) and an honest
> > respect of being a inshore/near shore boat.
> >
> > I'm tempted to write a letter!
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David
> >
> > >Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have been
> > >built and very spacious.
> > >
> > >Jeff
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: David Ryan
> > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:18 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming or Illinois?
> > >
> > >
> > > This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small businessmen
> > > kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life
> > > of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the meaning
> > > of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and living
> > > about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to learn it
> > > again.
> > >
> > > At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a sailboat with
> > > more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat, easy to
> > > look at and easy to build?
> > >
> > > YIBB,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
> > > >I want to build!
> > > >
> > > >I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
> > > >which I view as a pure act of genius.
> > > >
> > > >http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
> > > >
> > > >This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
> > > >increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
> > > >twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
> > > >
> > > >Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
> > > >at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
> > > >fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
> > > >$22,500, round up to $40K.
> > > >
> > > >Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
> > > >around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
> > > >value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Bolger rules!!!
> > > >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > > >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> > > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> > > >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
> > > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > > >- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > > C.E.P.
> > > 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
> > > New York, New York 10001
> > >http://www.crumblingempire.com
> > > (212) 247-0296
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > > ADVERTISEMENT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bolger rules!!!
> > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> > > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
> > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Bolger rules!!!
> > >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > >- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> > >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
> > >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > >- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> > C.E.P.
> > 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
> > New York, New York 10001
> >http://www.crumblingempire.com
> > (212) 247-0296
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
>- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
>- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I really like the other half of that article, the "Puffer 40". When my wife thought I was serious
about sending $2000 to finish the plans, she became much more interested in finding a place to retire
on the Eastern Shore(MD), on land; and hence, my house project. Clyde
David Ryan wrote:
about sending $2000 to finish the plans, she became much more interested in finding a place to retire
on the Eastern Shore(MD), on land; and hence, my house project. Clyde
David Ryan wrote:
> Quoting from the article:
>
> "It has to resemble a real boat! You can not risk looking like a
> squatter, notwithstanding the fact
> that you actually are sort of. Thus, no shantyboats, pretty Belinda
> hideaway, and other provocations to nautical sensitivities."
>
> I think this rules out the "Loose Moose II"
>
> What I like about the Illinois is that in exchange for forgoing a
> "real sea boat" you get something that looks like a real boat!
> Aesthetics are a consideration in any good design. I enjoy the "Loose
> Moose II" solution, but the "Illinois" actually comes closer to
> answering the question I find myself asking.
>
> Last night my wife and I were speculating on the super-folding
> schooner as a starting point for our "Dream Bolger Boat" Big for
> bigness sake (not to mention the room!) A tamer schooner rig for both
> the romance and true handiness (after 15 months of schooner sailing,
> I'll say they have much to recommend them over sloops!) and an honest
> respect of being a inshore/near shore boat.
>
> I'm tempted to write a letter!
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> >Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have been
> >built and very spacious.
> >
> >Jeff
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Ryan
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming or Illinois?
> >
> >
> > This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small businessmen
> > kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life
> > of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the meaning
> > of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and living
> > about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to learn it
> > again.
> >
> > At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a sailboat with
> > more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat, easy to
> > look at and easy to build?
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
> > >I want to build!
> > >
> > >I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
> > >which I view as a pure act of genius.
> > >
> > >http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
> > >
> > >This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
> > >increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
> > >twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
> > >
> > >Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
> > >at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
> > >fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
> > >$22,500, round up to $40K.
> > >
> > >Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
> > >around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
> > >value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Thanks Peter,
Kind of a Single Eagle with traning wheels as regards
Schorpion, wonder how she sails throught he wind, that
is a lot of superstructure.
Computers can be tricky. Sometimes the simplest thing
can take longer than... building a Wyoming. Anyway
thanks on my account.
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If you paid for the aggrevation my scanner gave me
trying to get the <BR>
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here:<BR>
<BR>
<a
href="http://www.geocities.com/pvanderwaart/BolgerBoats.html">http://www.geocities.com/pvanderwaart/BolgerBoats.html</a><BR>
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I really like Arava, the hull and the interior. I
could do without <BR>
the unusual rig, the side-facing companionway ladder,
and the <BR>
apparent trouble with stability. For a new rig, we
could go with a <BR>
cutter rig much like the rig shown, or perhaps a
cat-yawl like the AS-<BR>
29. Or a more regular schooner, but we want to
minimize weight aloft.<BR>
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I don't have much comment on Schorpioen. Somewhat
outre for my tastes.<BR>
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Kind of a Single Eagle with traning wheels as regards
Schorpion, wonder how she sails throught he wind, that
is a lot of superstructure.
Computers can be tricky. Sometimes the simplest thing
can take longer than... building a Wyoming. Anyway
thanks on my account.
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If you paid for the aggrevation my scanner gave me
trying to get the <BR>
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here:<BR>
<BR>
<a
href="http://www.geocities.com/pvanderwaart/BolgerBoats.html">http://www.geocities.com/pvanderwaart/BolgerBoats.html</a><BR>
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I really like Arava, the hull and the interior. I
could do without <BR>
the unusual rig, the side-facing companionway ladder,
and the <BR>
apparent trouble with stability. For a new rig, we
could go with a <BR>
cutter rig much like the rig shown, or perhaps a
cat-yawl like the AS-<BR>
29. Or a more regular schooner, but we want to
minimize weight aloft.<BR>
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I don't have much comment on Schorpioen. Somewhat
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> could you kindly beam up the design for Schorpion.If you paid for the aggrevation my scanner gave me trying to get the
scan of Schorpioen, I'd be rich. Anyway, look here:
http://www.geocities.com/pvanderwaart/BolgerBoats.html
I really like Arava, the hull and the interior. I could do without
the unusual rig, the side-facing companionway ladder, and the
apparent trouble with stability. For a new rig, we could go with a
cutter rig much like the rig shown, or perhaps a cat-yawl like the AS-
29. Or a more regular schooner, but we want to minimize weight aloft.
I don't have much comment on Schorpioen. Somewhat outre for my tastes.
Peter
Peter,
could you kindly beam up the design for Schorpion, I
have heard of her, and asked this group before if
anyone had lines they could share.
If you are in a generous mood, Arava sounds
interesting also.
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could you kindly beam up the design for Schorpion, I
have heard of her, and asked this group before if
anyone had lines they could share.
If you are in a generous mood, Arava sounds
interesting also.
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Found the photo's, Fritz won't have his scanner hooked back up till
tomorrow. It is not the 55' sharpie, it has the most radical use of the
box keel on any of his sailboats that I have seen. It is flushed decked
with a steering box/ pilothouse, and has a rather nice sheer.
Unfortunately the photo's don't show the sheer well, when I took them a
few springs ago, I was more interested in the bow.
More anon.
HJ
David Ryan wrote:
tomorrow. It is not the 55' sharpie, it has the most radical use of the
box keel on any of his sailboats that I have seen. It is flushed decked
with a steering box/ pilothouse, and has a rather nice sheer.
Unfortunately the photo's don't show the sheer well, when I took them a
few springs ago, I was more interested in the bow.
More anon.
HJ
David Ryan wrote:
>
> Is this the legendary Keel Sharpie 55?
>
> I saw the drawing and the write up for it a year ago or so. Quite a
> project indeed!, I'd love to see the photos! I'm not sure the 55
> meets the "easy to look at" criteria, but as I recall, the occasional
> ocean passage was a part of the design spec.
>
> >My friend Ramon Gandia is building a 50' plus sharpie with box keel in
> >Nome out of Aluminum by Bolger. The sail is a Chinese Gaffer rig. He has
> >been at a standstill on construction for a number of years due to
> >business, financial and now marital problems. He has done good work so
> >far, especially considering that Nome is not the ideal building spot.
> >
> >The boat is huge!! I have some photo's kicking around and will attempt
> >to get them scanned this week. It may not happen right away, as I have a
> >lot to do in my real job which is where the scanner is. I may walk them
> >down to Fritz and talk him into scanning them if I can find them.
> >
> >Hj
> >
>
> What issue is the keel sharpie in?Volume 16, #6, aka August 1, 1998
I don't remember the name but believe that MAIB had Illinois coupled
with another Bolger boat, one with approximately the same
accomodations and advantages, but one that was shorter and wider.
Would anyone happen to have the particulars on the companion boat?
If so, could they post a link to it?
Thanks...
with another Bolger boat, one with approximately the same
accomodations and advantages, but one that was shorter and wider.
Would anyone happen to have the particulars on the companion boat?
If so, could they post a link to it?
Thanks...
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
> I want to build!
>
> I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
> which I view as a pure act of genius.
>
>http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
>
> This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
> increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
> twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
>
> Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
> at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
> fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
> $22,500, round up to $40K.
>
> Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
> around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
> value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
What issue is the keel sharpie in?
HJ
pvanderwaart wrote:
HJ
pvanderwaart wrote:
>
>
>
> And the winner is: 49'6" Gulf of Mexico Cruiser Concept. A v-bottom
> meant for double planking, it can probably be adapted for Reuel
> Parker's new cold molding, i.e. double planing with plywood.
>
> I turned up the 55' keel sharpie, and she is indeed similar in
> appearance to the Loose Moose.
>
>
I decided to spent a few minutes while waiting for the New Year
looking through my incomplete and unorganized stacks of old issues of
MAIB to see if there were any other Bolger designs that fit the brief
which I take loosely to be: sailboat or motor sailor with walking
around room, simple construction and easy to look at.
And the results are:
Honorable mention to: B-31 trimaran Scjorpioen, and the leeboard
cruiser Arava. Not really big enough.
Third Place to: the 12.8m Aluminium Lugger. The design is good, but
the construction is not really what we are looking for.
Second Place to: 45' steel auxillary sailing narrowboat Weston
Martyr. A big boat at 17,000lbs. Steel is not plywood, but the shape
is boxy.
And the winner is: 49'6" Gulf of Mexico Cruiser Concept. A v-bottom
meant for double planking, it can probably be adapted for Reuel
Parker's new cold molding, i.e. double planing with plywood.
I turned up the 55' keel sharpie, and she is indeed similar in
appearance to the Loose Moose.
Overall, I think the best bet is the live-on-board scow schooner.
She's double chine rather than a pure box, and certainly roomy. I
would be interested in PCB's opinion of whether she should try to
beat out of Buzzard's Bay against a smokey sou'wester.
Peter
looking through my incomplete and unorganized stacks of old issues of
MAIB to see if there were any other Bolger designs that fit the brief
which I take loosely to be: sailboat or motor sailor with walking
around room, simple construction and easy to look at.
And the results are:
Honorable mention to: B-31 trimaran Scjorpioen, and the leeboard
cruiser Arava. Not really big enough.
Third Place to: the 12.8m Aluminium Lugger. The design is good, but
the construction is not really what we are looking for.
Second Place to: 45' steel auxillary sailing narrowboat Weston
Martyr. A big boat at 17,000lbs. Steel is not plywood, but the shape
is boxy.
And the winner is: 49'6" Gulf of Mexico Cruiser Concept. A v-bottom
meant for double planking, it can probably be adapted for Reuel
Parker's new cold molding, i.e. double planing with plywood.
I turned up the 55' keel sharpie, and she is indeed similar in
appearance to the Loose Moose.
Overall, I think the best bet is the live-on-board scow schooner.
She's double chine rather than a pure box, and certainly roomy. I
would be interested in PCB's opinion of whether she should try to
beat out of Buzzard's Bay against a smokey sou'wester.
Peter
I think the scow schooner is a beautiful boat. I do agree with you, I
don't think I'd want to beat back from Block Island in it. However,
I've been wondering if a larger version of the same idea would be
just the thing for few weeks on Gardener's Bay, or between the forks!
YIBB,
David
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don't think I'd want to beat back from Block Island in it. However,
I've been wondering if a larger version of the same idea would be
just the thing for few weeks on Gardener's Bay, or between the forks!
YIBB,
David
>The "easy to look at" clause is the really hard one. Remember tooC.E.P.
>that these long thin powerboats may not look quite as you expect
>because the houses are build out to the sides, which is not apparent
>from the profile drawings.
>
>Aside from the Loose Moose, and the Breakdown Schooner (which I know
>you have considered and rejected largely for appearance), there are a
>couple others. I don't have a picture at hand of the big Keel Sharpie
>but I think it resembles the Moose. The Solution 48 looks different,
>but somewhat industrial, I expect. The Scow Schooner was styled by
>the artist-client and would have room per dollar, but I don't think
>the hull form is just the thing for Rhode Island Sound.
>
>Have you pondered the various forms of the Double Eagle catamaran?
>Someone said the AS-29 wasn't hard but it was intricate. That would
>go triple for Double Eagle, I suspect.
>
>I doubt that anyone with the gumption to build one of these big boats
>needs to limit himself to ply planking. If you open the door to strip
>you have a lot of additional possibilities, such as Volunteer.
>
>Peter
>
>
>
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Is this the legendary Keel Sharpie 55?
I saw the drawing and the write up for it a year ago or so. Quite a
project indeed!, I'd love to see the photos! I'm not sure the 55
meets the "easy to look at" criteria, but as I recall, the occasional
ocean passage was a part of the design spec.
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
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I saw the drawing and the write up for it a year ago or so. Quite a
project indeed!, I'd love to see the photos! I'm not sure the 55
meets the "easy to look at" criteria, but as I recall, the occasional
ocean passage was a part of the design spec.
>My friend Ramon Gandia is building a 50' plus sharpie with box keel inC.E.P.
>Nome out of Aluminum by Bolger. The sail is a Chinese Gaffer rig. He has
>been at a standstill on construction for a number of years due to
>business, financial and now marital problems. He has done good work so
>far, especially considering that Nome is not the ideal building spot.
>
>The boat is huge!! I have some photo's kicking around and will attempt
>to get them scanned this week. It may not happen right away, as I have a
>lot to do in my real job which is where the scanner is. I may walk them
>down to Fritz and talk him into scanning them if I can find them.
>
>Hj
>
>Jeff Blunck wrote:
>>
>> Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have been
>>built and very spacious.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small businessmen
>> kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life
>> of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the meaning
>> of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and living
>> about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to learn it
>> again.
>>
>> At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a sailboat with
>> more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat, easy to
>> look at and easy to build?
>>
>> YIBB,
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>
>
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My friend Ramon Gandia is building a 50' plus sharpie with box keel in
Nome out of Aluminum by Bolger. The sail is a Chinese Gaffer rig. He has
been at a standstill on construction for a number of years due to
business, financial and now marital problems. He has done good work so
far, especially considering that Nome is not the ideal building spot.
The boat is huge!! I have some photo's kicking around and will attempt
to get them scanned this week. It may not happen right away, as I have a
lot to do in my real job which is where the scanner is. I may walk them
down to Fritz and talk him into scanning them if I can find them.
Hj
Jeff Blunck wrote:
Nome out of Aluminum by Bolger. The sail is a Chinese Gaffer rig. He has
been at a standstill on construction for a number of years due to
business, financial and now marital problems. He has done good work so
far, especially considering that Nome is not the ideal building spot.
The boat is huge!! I have some photo's kicking around and will attempt
to get them scanned this week. It may not happen right away, as I have a
lot to do in my real job which is where the scanner is. I may walk them
down to Fritz and talk him into scanning them if I can find them.
Hj
Jeff Blunck wrote:
>
> Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have been built and very spacious.
>
> Jeff
>
> This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small businessmen
> kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life
> of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the meaning
> of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and living
> about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to learn it
> again.
>
> At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a sailboat with
> more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat, easy to
> look at and easy to build?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
>
The "easy to look at" clause is the really hard one. Remember too
that these long thin powerboats may not look quite as you expect
because the houses are build out to the sides, which is not apparent
from the profile drawings.
Aside from the Loose Moose, and the Breakdown Schooner (which I know
you have considered and rejected largely for appearance), there are a
couple others. I don't have a picture at hand of the big Keel Sharpie
but I think it resembles the Moose. The Solution 48 looks different,
but somewhat industrial, I expect. The Scow Schooner was styled by
the artist-client and would have room per dollar, but I don't think
the hull form is just the thing for Rhode Island Sound.
Have you pondered the various forms of the Double Eagle catamaran?
Someone said the AS-29 wasn't hard but it was intricate. That would
go triple for Double Eagle, I suspect.
I doubt that anyone with the gumption to build one of these big boats
needs to limit himself to ply planking. If you open the door to strip
you have a lot of additional possibilities, such as Volunteer.
Peter
that these long thin powerboats may not look quite as you expect
because the houses are build out to the sides, which is not apparent
from the profile drawings.
Aside from the Loose Moose, and the Breakdown Schooner (which I know
you have considered and rejected largely for appearance), there are a
couple others. I don't have a picture at hand of the big Keel Sharpie
but I think it resembles the Moose. The Solution 48 looks different,
but somewhat industrial, I expect. The Scow Schooner was styled by
the artist-client and would have room per dollar, but I don't think
the hull form is just the thing for Rhode Island Sound.
Have you pondered the various forms of the Double Eagle catamaran?
Someone said the AS-29 wasn't hard but it was intricate. That would
go triple for Double Eagle, I suspect.
I doubt that anyone with the gumption to build one of these big boats
needs to limit himself to ply planking. If you open the door to strip
you have a lot of additional possibilities, such as Volunteer.
Peter
Quoting from the article:
"It has to resemble a real boat! You can not risk looking like a
squatter, notwithstanding the fact
that you actually are sort of. Thus, no shantyboats, pretty Belinda
hideaway, and other provocations to nautical sensitivities."
I think this rules out the "Loose Moose II"
What I like about the Illinois is that in exchange for forgoing a
"real sea boat" you get something that looks like a real boat!
Aesthetics are a consideration in any good design. I enjoy the "Loose
Moose II" solution, but the "Illinois" actually comes closer to
answering the question I find myself asking.
Last night my wife and I were speculating on the super-folding
schooner as a starting point for our "Dream Bolger Boat" Big for
bigness sake (not to mention the room!) A tamer schooner rig for both
the romance and true handiness (after 15 months of schooner sailing,
I'll say they have much to recommend them over sloops!) and an honest
respect of being a inshore/near shore boat.
I'm tempted to write a letter!
YIBB,
David
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
"It has to resemble a real boat! You can not risk looking like a
squatter, notwithstanding the fact
that you actually are sort of. Thus, no shantyboats, pretty Belinda
hideaway, and other provocations to nautical sensitivities."
I think this rules out the "Loose Moose II"
What I like about the Illinois is that in exchange for forgoing a
"real sea boat" you get something that looks like a real boat!
Aesthetics are a consideration in any good design. I enjoy the "Loose
Moose II" solution, but the "Illinois" actually comes closer to
answering the question I find myself asking.
Last night my wife and I were speculating on the super-folding
schooner as a starting point for our "Dream Bolger Boat" Big for
bigness sake (not to mention the room!) A tamer schooner rig for both
the romance and true handiness (after 15 months of schooner sailing,
I'll say they have much to recommend them over sloops!) and an honest
respect of being a inshore/near shore boat.
I'm tempted to write a letter!
YIBB,
David
>Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have beenC.E.P.
>built and very spacious.
>
>Jeff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Ryan
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming or Illinois?
>
>
> This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small businessmen
> kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life
> of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the meaning
> of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and living
> about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to learn it
> again.
>
> At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a sailboat with
> more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat, easy to
> look at and easy to build?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
> >I want to build!
> >
> >I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
> >which I view as a pure act of genius.
> >
> >http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
> >
> >This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
> >increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
> >twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
> >
> >Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
> >at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
> >fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
> >$22,500, round up to $40K.
> >
> >Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
> >around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
> >value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Bolger rules!!!
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>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
>- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
>- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
>MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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New York, New York 10001
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(212) 247-0296
Maybe the AS39 aka "Loose Moose" in BWOM book. Several have been built and very spacious.
Jeff
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: David Ryan
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming or Illinois?
This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small businessmen
kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life
of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the meaning
of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and living
about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to learn it
again.
At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a sailboat with
more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat, easy to
look at and easy to build?
YIBB,
David
>I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
>I want to build!
>
>I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
>which I view as a pure act of genius.
>
>http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
>
>This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
>increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
>twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
>
>Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
>at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
>fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
>$22,500, round up to $40K.
>
>Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
>around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
>value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
>
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
>- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
>- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
>MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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(212) 247-0296
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Bolger rules!!!
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- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
This was a delightful essay to read, especially for small businessmen
kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life
of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the meaning
of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and living
about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to learn it
again.
At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a sailboat with
more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat, easy to
look at and easy to build?
YIBB,
David
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
kicked once and kicked again by recent events and dreaming of a life
of more appealing obligations. Sooner or later we learn the meaning
of "be careful what you wish for" and I suppose building and living
about "Illinois" would merely give me the opportunity to learn it
again.
At any rate, does anyone know if PCB has every drawn a sailboat with
more or less the same idea -- i.e. a god-awful huge boat, easy to
look at and easy to build?
YIBB,
David
>I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boatC.E.P.
>I want to build!
>
>I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
>which I view as a pure act of genius.
>
>http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
>
>This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
>increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
>twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
>
>Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
>at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
>fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
>$22,500, round up to $40K.
>
>Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
>around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
>value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
>
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
>- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
>- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
>MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
I, too, spend time dreaming about which Bolger boat
I want to build!
I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
which I view as a pure act of genius.
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
$22,500, round up to $40K.
Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!
I want to build!
I keep coming back to their design #630, Illinois;
which I view as a pure act of genius.
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois.htm
This boat serves all the same needs of Wyoming, but with the
increased size, especially the "top deck" it seems to be
twice the boat at only 50% increase in cost.
Estimating the time to build, 450 sheets of ply
at 4 hours per each would come to 1800 hours =
fortyfive 40hr weeks. Cost 450 sheets @ $50/sheet =
$22,500, round up to $40K.
Equivalant in living space to a studio apartment which
around San Francisco costs $1,500/month. Not counting the
value of your time, a two year payback period. No bad!