[bolger] Re: Clones
It may interest those on the list that Selway Fisher has a "Loose Moose"
design...we actually commissioned two designs for our Loose Moose 2...Both
designs had the identical design brief yet are two completly different
boats.
We chose Phils design as it more closely followed our wants and costed out
at about 50% less to build. A very interesting but expensive excercise.
Bob & Sheila
Paradise Connections
St Thomas USVI
340 774 1111
http://www.paradiseconnections.com
design...we actually commissioned two designs for our Loose Moose 2...Both
designs had the identical design brief yet are two completly different
boats.
We chose Phils design as it more closely followed our wants and costed out
at about 50% less to build. A very interesting but expensive excercise.
Bob & Sheila
Paradise Connections
St Thomas USVI
340 774 1111
http://www.paradiseconnections.com
> ...how many chances are there that, startingPippo,
> from the same design baseline, two designers independently end up with
> two almost identical designs? I don't think the answer would be
> "zero"...
> Best, Pippo
Remember the discussion on the Wooden Boat Perfect Skiff a little
while ago? All were given the same set of requirements, they did not
produce pees in a pod, they made individual craft.
Any designer is influenced by other designers. I design electrical
stuff myself so I know this well. But there is a difference between
"copying" a sheer or chine line that pleases you (or even better,
works) and lifting an entire set of cabin accomodations right down to
the count of shelves.
Lots of chatter on this one. Just my 2 cents. Enough.
Enjoy!
Half seriously: years ago the Russians built their own version of the
Space Shuttle, called "Buran" (guess it means "snow storm"), which was,
well, kind of a carbon copy of the former. Their answer to the jokes
made about the "resemblance" was that "laws of aerodynamics are the
same either in the URSS and in the USA".
More seriously, and specifically relating to boats, I don't want to
enter the AS29 clone saga, but, as a non-expert, I'm still amazed to
see how many identical (from hull lines to interiors arragements,
rigging, appendages, etc.) plastic production boats, coming from
different yards, have their market niche regardless.
My question here would be: how many chances are there that, starting
from the same design baseline, two designers independently end up with
two almost identical designs? I don't think the answer would be
"zero"...
Best, Pippo
"samson family" <bill.samso-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1656
sailplan view, but I remember thinking at the time that the profile
looked somewhat Bolgeresque - but then so many boats are, nowadays.
of the master, though none of them is what could remotely be termed a
'rip-off'. The principles seem to be followed, but the designs
themselves are original.
Space Shuttle, called "Buran" (guess it means "snow storm"), which was,
well, kind of a carbon copy of the former. Their answer to the jokes
made about the "resemblance" was that "laws of aerodynamics are the
same either in the URSS and in the USA".
More seriously, and specifically relating to boats, I don't want to
enter the AS29 clone saga, but, as a non-expert, I'm still amazed to
see how many identical (from hull lines to interiors arragements,
rigging, appendages, etc.) plastic production boats, coming from
different yards, have their market niche regardless.
My question here would be: how many chances are there that, starting
from the same design baseline, two designers independently end up with
two almost identical designs? I don't think the answer would be
"zero"...
Best, Pippo
"samson family" <bill.samso-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1656
> Hi,year or more ago. Of course, all that would have been shown was the
>
> I seem to remember seeing a small ad for #980 in some mag (MAIB?) a
sailplan view, but I remember thinking at the time that the profile
looked somewhat Bolgeresque - but then so many boats are, nowadays.
>a number of designs that have clearly evolved following the inspiration
> For instance, looking through the Selway Fisher catalogue, there are
of the master, though none of them is what could remotely be termed a
'rip-off'. The principles seem to be followed, but the designs
themselves are original.
>
> Bill
>
Hi,
I seem to remember seeing a small ad for #980 in
some mag (MAIB?) a year or more ago. Of course, all that would have been
shown was the sailplan view, but I remember thinking at the time that the
profile looked somewhat Bolgeresque - but then so many boats are,
nowadays.
For instance, looking through the Selway Fisher
catalogue, there are a number of designs that have clearly evolved following the
inspiration of the master, though none of them is what could remotely be termed
a 'rip-off'. The principles seem to be followed, but the designs
themselves are original.
Bill