Re: The "New" Wyoming
Actually I'm looking at 100 sheets of plywood to build the Wyo.
Thats from staring at the plans for more than a just few hours. 80
sheets will do the hull, bulkheads, roof, intracoastals, etc.
Another 20 sheets are needed for bunks, settees, etc. I figured good
ACX will work where it's not glued down and interior. Since the base
for all cabnets, bunks, etc. are based on the intracoastals or hull
sides which are built with quality materials, it shouldn't be a
problem.
30 gallons should be close for epoxy. I would put any epoxy on the
interior. I using MDO with resin coating it should provide a
beautiful finish with paint. I figured a quart per side for glassing
and another 5 gallons for gluing. 40 may be needed.
I would think the Wyo would build a lot faster than a AS39.
Seriously, the Wyo is fairly simple to assemble as far as
technically. Mechanically, a lot of work ahead for the wife and
myself.
Jeff
Thats from staring at the plans for more than a just few hours. 80
sheets will do the hull, bulkheads, roof, intracoastals, etc.
Another 20 sheets are needed for bunks, settees, etc. I figured good
ACX will work where it's not glued down and interior. Since the base
for all cabnets, bunks, etc. are based on the intracoastals or hull
sides which are built with quality materials, it shouldn't be a
problem.
30 gallons should be close for epoxy. I would put any epoxy on the
interior. I using MDO with resin coating it should provide a
beautiful finish with paint. I figured a quart per side for glassing
and another 5 gallons for gluing. 40 may be needed.
I would think the Wyo would build a lot faster than a AS39.
Seriously, the Wyo is fairly simple to assemble as far as
technically. Mechanically, a lot of work ahead for the wife and
myself.
Jeff
There are obviously a lot of factors tied up in epoxy
use, but 20-30 gallons is about right for boats in the
Tremolino - Martha Jane range, a fifty footer seems
unlikely out of the same amount.
Time to build is always tough to predict, it can often
be just one little part that is responsible for large
blocks of time, often in ways that were not expected.
Motor boats are simpler in a lot of ways, but finish
time is a big factor also, and that is related fairly
directly to surface area.
If they were the same boat, in the sense that Wyoming
is a bigger Sneakeasy, which is to say speaking of the
scalable factors, not the stuff like more furniture,
then Wyo, would be 2.4 times bigger than LMII. Since,
in most regards she is only stretched for length, then
you could probably look at her being as little as only
35% larger, still not inconsequential.
$2000; 10 gallons of <BR>
porch paint, $200; the Loose Moose II was built in 6
months of <BR>
full-time work, this boat doesn't seem to be any more
complicated.<BR>
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use, but 20-30 gallons is about right for boats in the
Tremolino - Martha Jane range, a fifty footer seems
unlikely out of the same amount.
Time to build is always tough to predict, it can often
be just one little part that is responsible for large
blocks of time, often in ways that were not expected.
Motor boats are simpler in a lot of ways, but finish
time is a big factor also, and that is related fairly
directly to surface area.
If they were the same boat, in the sense that Wyoming
is a bigger Sneakeasy, which is to say speaking of the
scalable factors, not the stuff like more furniture,
then Wyo, would be 2.4 times bigger than LMII. Since,
in most regards she is only stretched for length, then
you could probably look at her being as little as only
35% larger, still not inconsequential.
>>80 sheets of 1/2 AC, <BR>$2000; 30 gallons epoxy and glass to go with it,
$2000; 10 gallons of <BR>
porch paint, $200; the Loose Moose II was built in 6
months of <BR>
full-time work, this boat doesn't seem to be any more
complicated.<BR>
<BR>
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FBBB --
Well guys, I've just seen the aft cabin Wyoming and this is a pretty
exciting looking drawing!
I've been dreaming of something me, my wife daughter and dog might
spend a few comfortable weeks aboard out on Gardner's Bay. In
exchange for a dedicated inshore boat, hoped we'd have something big
enough to be comfortable, cheap enough to actually build, simple
enough to be build fast, and stylish enough to enjoy looking back at
when rowing to shore.
Various scenarios of doubled light schooners, break-down schooner,
Parker sharpies, and even the LMII were considered. My wife's dream
trip is a cruise through the canal system, and that seemed to point
at a tabernacle masted boat, but the DBS is just a wee bit small and
the LMII is just too brutally functional (why pay for a passage maker
with ugly if you're not going to sea) to suit me. On top of that,
their sailing gear would be stowed most, if not all of the trip!
From the first time I read the chapter, the Wyoming had my attention.
Big, fast and cheap, with enough room aboard to stay awhile. In spite
of her lack of sails, the idea of building her just for the "go to
hell" factor was at least a little tempting. But as she appears in
BWOM she's a little spare for a family of three with a big dog to
boot. And besides, I'm a sailor! Three sheets to wind, damn the
torpedos! The only powerboat I'm interested in is a fishboat, and the
only fishing I can't do out of the Lil'winnie needs a boat able to
make the 40 mile run to the canyon in an hour and then stay out in
whatever weather might happen along. Not a boat anywhere in my near
future.
Then the Illinois. Big, roomy, stylish, buildable. In my mind's eye I
instantly saw us snugged up on Cartwright shoals, or tucked into
Napegue Harbor, or staggering back from the Saranac Brewery to the
comfort of our phoney millionaire's yacht.
"Am I really dreaming of a sailboat?" the question reared up like an
outside wave, ready to clean the line up of my expectation and
preconceptions and the answer may well be "no."
I would seem that perhaps what I truly crave is romance, and it may
not matter so much whether that romance takes the form of a
gaff-rigged schooner, or a 30's style cruiser. I have long imagined
floating neck-deep in a warm lagoon, looking back at my wife reading
to my daughter under a canopy on our boat. I imagine diving down and
swimming silently underwater, admiring the underside of the long,
sleak hull. I imagine pulling myself aboard, water running down my
tanned body as my daughter cries out "Daddy!" and then settling in
for another quiet evening aboard.
The Illinois might in fact be too much boat -- enough time and money
demanded to kill the project even before it's begun. But this "new"
Wyoming comes pretty close to seeming doable. 80 sheets of 1/2 AC,
$2000; 30 gallons epoxy and glass to go with it, $2000; 10 gallons of
porch paint, $200; the Loose Moose II was built in 6 months of
full-time work, this boat doesn't seem to be any more complicated.
So it's tantalizingly within reach. All it would require is the doing.
YIBB, and dreaming about it too!
David
C.E.P.
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
Well guys, I've just seen the aft cabin Wyoming and this is a pretty
exciting looking drawing!
I've been dreaming of something me, my wife daughter and dog might
spend a few comfortable weeks aboard out on Gardner's Bay. In
exchange for a dedicated inshore boat, hoped we'd have something big
enough to be comfortable, cheap enough to actually build, simple
enough to be build fast, and stylish enough to enjoy looking back at
when rowing to shore.
Various scenarios of doubled light schooners, break-down schooner,
Parker sharpies, and even the LMII were considered. My wife's dream
trip is a cruise through the canal system, and that seemed to point
at a tabernacle masted boat, but the DBS is just a wee bit small and
the LMII is just too brutally functional (why pay for a passage maker
with ugly if you're not going to sea) to suit me. On top of that,
their sailing gear would be stowed most, if not all of the trip!
From the first time I read the chapter, the Wyoming had my attention.
Big, fast and cheap, with enough room aboard to stay awhile. In spite
of her lack of sails, the idea of building her just for the "go to
hell" factor was at least a little tempting. But as she appears in
BWOM she's a little spare for a family of three with a big dog to
boot. And besides, I'm a sailor! Three sheets to wind, damn the
torpedos! The only powerboat I'm interested in is a fishboat, and the
only fishing I can't do out of the Lil'winnie needs a boat able to
make the 40 mile run to the canyon in an hour and then stay out in
whatever weather might happen along. Not a boat anywhere in my near
future.
Then the Illinois. Big, roomy, stylish, buildable. In my mind's eye I
instantly saw us snugged up on Cartwright shoals, or tucked into
Napegue Harbor, or staggering back from the Saranac Brewery to the
comfort of our phoney millionaire's yacht.
"Am I really dreaming of a sailboat?" the question reared up like an
outside wave, ready to clean the line up of my expectation and
preconceptions and the answer may well be "no."
I would seem that perhaps what I truly crave is romance, and it may
not matter so much whether that romance takes the form of a
gaff-rigged schooner, or a 30's style cruiser. I have long imagined
floating neck-deep in a warm lagoon, looking back at my wife reading
to my daughter under a canopy on our boat. I imagine diving down and
swimming silently underwater, admiring the underside of the long,
sleak hull. I imagine pulling myself aboard, water running down my
tanned body as my daughter cries out "Daddy!" and then settling in
for another quiet evening aboard.
The Illinois might in fact be too much boat -- enough time and money
demanded to kill the project even before it's begun. But this "new"
Wyoming comes pretty close to seeming doable. 80 sheets of 1/2 AC,
$2000; 30 gallons epoxy and glass to go with it, $2000; 10 gallons of
porch paint, $200; the Loose Moose II was built in 6 months of
full-time work, this boat doesn't seem to be any more complicated.
So it's tantalizingly within reach. All it would require is the doing.
YIBB, and dreaming about it too!
David
C.E.P.
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296