RE: [bolger] I don't make idle threats
OK, I was going to do that later on today, if no one else had. Thanks.
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> -----Original Message-------
> From: vexatious2001 [mailto:cadbury@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:31 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] I don't make idle threats
>
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> If one of you computer genuses (genusie?) don't start
> up a Michalak group soon, I may have to.
>
>
> Max
Whoah! That's the end of calling them Bolger Boxes.
At first I thought 30hrs, that's pretty good. Dho!
He said thirty days! Well every day shows.
There are several at<BR>
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At first I thought 30hrs, that's pretty good. Dho!
He said thirty days! Well every day shows.
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In a message dated 1/8/02 4:30:43 PM Central Standard Time,vicskiff@...
writes:
Nice link, nice boat.
Ciao for Niao,
Bill in MN
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writes:
> I gather that lots in this Group aren'tInternet access at work - the secret of "New Economy" productivity!
> very far from their computers during the day.
Nice link, nice boat.
Ciao for Niao,
Bill in MN
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On the plans the Cabin Clam Skiff hatch is aproximately 6'3" long by
3'3" wide and slides aft over the rear third of the cabin, extending
out over the engine when fully open. Headroom in the cabin is about
4'9" but the wheel can pivot into the doorway (from in front of the
starboard settee), allowing the skipper to stand upright when the
hatch is open and look over the top of the door frame. However, one
must step through a 1'10" (wide) by 3"6" (high) doorway over a 1'3"-
high sill to move from the cabin to the forward cockpit. Come to
think of it, it seems a little tight for a guy like me who's 6'3" and
220 pounds!
John E.
3'3" wide and slides aft over the rear third of the cabin, extending
out over the engine when fully open. Headroom in the cabin is about
4'9" but the wheel can pivot into the doorway (from in front of the
starboard settee), allowing the skipper to stand upright when the
hatch is open and look over the top of the door frame. However, one
must step through a 1'10" (wide) by 3"6" (high) doorway over a 1'3"-
high sill to move from the cabin to the forward cockpit. Come to
think of it, it seems a little tight for a guy like me who's 6'3" and
220 pounds!
John E.
--- In bolger@y..., "sctree" <sctree@d...> wrote:
>
> John and Sakari,
>
> Sorry about the confusion. You have the plans John, a sliding sun
> roof
> hatch it must be.....
>
> It was my guess from sketches I've seen that led me to call it
> birdwatcher like. It seems to me like it would make standing at the
> helm easier, as well as walking forward if it was open all the way
> like Birdwatcher? I never thought about the strength issue.
>
> Or do I really have it wrong, does the hatch slide to the rear????
>
> However, on that point, how much does the hatch slide open, say
what
> percentage of the roof is open with the hatch all the way open?
>
> John, save me here, please un-confuse me. What's the roof on Cabin
> Clam Skiff #606-II really like?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick B.
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., vicskiff <vicskiff@s...> wrote:
> > Rick, I have plans from Bolger for the Cabin Clam Skiff (#606-
II),
> with a
> > large sliding 'sun roof'. Is the 'Birdwatcher Cabin' Version a
> builder's
> > alteration or a partial redesign from Bolger himself?
> > John E.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "sctree" <sctree@d...>
> > To: <bolger@y...>
> > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 3:51 PM
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: 16'-24' Cruiser
> >
> >
> > > Pat,
> > >
> > > If you could live with the fishing cockpit forward, and come up
> with
> > > something creative for the forward hull "door" or ramp for your
> wife's
> > > access, Bolger's "Clam Skiff 'Birdwatcher Cabin' Version" hits
the
> > > most of your wants. If stretched, you could even get the head
and
> > > 'sauna/hot tub' space.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > >
--- In bolger@y..., vicskiff <vicskiff@s...> wrote:
thoroughly discussed. It must have seemed incongrouous but, after two
days away, I faced a formidable Bolger List inbox when I got to the
computer last night, and reacted to that particular posting before
seeing if others already had. I gather that lots in this Group aren't
very far from their computers during the day. As for me, I usually
don't get to check my e-mail until well into the evening and, being
here on the Pacfic Wet Coast (sic), that often means most others
already have had a good go at any particular topic and gone off to
bed.
John E.
P.S. During Christnmas, while many of you were otherwise preoccupied,
I put together a PhotoWorks album on the launching of my Surf last
fall. Here is the link if you're interested:
http://photomail.photoworks.com/sharing/album.asp?Key=1423022593490606
> Have you checked out Sow's Ear? It's a new Jim Michalak designthat's much
> like a cross between his AF4 power sharpie and Bolger's Micro.Sorry I chimed in to recommend the Sow's Ear after it had been so
> John E.
thoroughly discussed. It must have seemed incongrouous but, after two
days away, I faced a formidable Bolger List inbox when I got to the
computer last night, and reacted to that particular posting before
seeing if others already had. I gather that lots in this Group aren't
very far from their computers during the day. As for me, I usually
don't get to check my e-mail until well into the evening and, being
here on the Pacfic Wet Coast (sic), that often means most others
already have had a good go at any particular topic and gone off to
bed.
John E.
P.S. During Christnmas, while many of you were otherwise preoccupied,
I put together a PhotoWorks album on the launching of my Surf last
fall. Here is the link if you're interested:
http://photomail.photoworks.com/sharing/album.asp?Key=1423022593490606
John and Sakari,
Sorry about the confusion. You have the plans John, a sliding sun
roof
hatch it must be.....
It was my guess from sketches I've seen that led me to call it
birdwatcher like. It seems to me like it would make standing at the
helm easier, as well as walking forward if it was open all the way
like Birdwatcher? I never thought about the strength issue.
Or do I really have it wrong, does the hatch slide to the rear????
However, on that point, how much does the hatch slide open, say what
percentage of the roof is open with the hatch all the way open?
John, save me here, please un-confuse me. What's the roof on Cabin
Clam Skiff #606-II really like?
Thanks,
Rick B.
Sorry about the confusion. You have the plans John, a sliding sun
roof
hatch it must be.....
It was my guess from sketches I've seen that led me to call it
birdwatcher like. It seems to me like it would make standing at the
helm easier, as well as walking forward if it was open all the way
like Birdwatcher? I never thought about the strength issue.
Or do I really have it wrong, does the hatch slide to the rear????
However, on that point, how much does the hatch slide open, say what
percentage of the roof is open with the hatch all the way open?
John, save me here, please un-confuse me. What's the roof on Cabin
Clam Skiff #606-II really like?
Thanks,
Rick B.
--- In bolger@y..., vicskiff <vicskiff@s...> wrote:
> Rick, I have plans from Bolger for the Cabin Clam Skiff (#606-II),
with a
> large sliding 'sun roof'. Is the 'Birdwatcher Cabin' Version a
builder's
> alteration or a partial redesign from Bolger himself?
> John E.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sctree" <sctree@d...>
> To: <bolger@y...>
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 3:51 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: 16'-24' Cruiser
>
>
> > Pat,
> >
> > If you could live with the fishing cockpit forward, and come up
with
> > something creative for the forward hull "door" or ramp for your
wife's
> > access, Bolger's "Clam Skiff 'Birdwatcher Cabin' Version" hits the
> > most of your wants. If stretched, you could even get the head and
> > 'sauna/hot tub' space.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
It seems someone, most probably the person whose name is on the
plans, requested a cabin and PB&F added it. The result has been
described at least twice in MAIB's "Bolger on Design" (Oct 1 2001
and Apr 1 2000.)
I wouldn't say the cabin is of the Birdwatcher type, as the after
1/3 of the roof is closed. One view in the plans (that I have)
suggests an open 'slot' all the way, but that is an error, confirmed
by PB&F a month ago.
Sakari Aaltonen
plans, requested a cabin and PB&F added it. The result has been
described at least twice in MAIB's "Bolger on Design" (Oct 1 2001
and Apr 1 2000.)
I wouldn't say the cabin is of the Birdwatcher type, as the after
1/3 of the roof is closed. One view in the plans (that I have)
suggests an open 'slot' all the way, but that is an error, confirmed
by PB&F a month ago.
Sakari Aaltonen
> Rick, I have plans from Bolger for the Cabin Clam Skiff (#606-II), with a
> large sliding 'sun roof'. Is the 'Birdwatcher Cabin' Version a builder's
> alteration or a partial redesign from Bolger himself?
> John E.
>
There are several at
http://www.instantboats.com/skiff18ml.htm
Sakari Aaltonen
http://www.instantboats.com/skiff18ml.htm
Sakari Aaltonen
> Any pictures of the Bolger Clam Skiff anywhere? I searched the
> archives and there were some posted, but no longer there.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, John Bell wrote:
to the bow deck, and vice versa.
Egress is a low point of the design--not a problem for me at all, but I
wouldn't want anyone with limited mobility trying to get out of my
Harmonica too quickly.
I 2nd John's idea of asking for Jim to work up a design for you.
> Jim's shanty boats Harmonica and Chanteuse may fit bill as simplifiedWhile simpler, one must be fairly agile to make the step up from the cabin
> versions of Betts' GP-16.
to the bow deck, and vice versa.
Egress is a low point of the design--not a problem for me at all, but I
wouldn't want anyone with limited mobility trying to get out of my
Harmonica too quickly.
I 2nd John's idea of asking for Jim to work up a design for you.
If a Jim Michalak design group starts up I would like to know. I'm surprised
there isnt one .
there isnt one .
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: 16'-24' Cruiser
> Go for it, Max.
>
> CTD
> If one of you computer genuses (genusie?) don't start
> up a Michalak group soon, I may have to.
>
>
> Max
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
Rick, I have plans from Bolger for the Cabin Clam Skiff (#606-II), with a
large sliding 'sun roof'. Is the 'Birdwatcher Cabin' Version a builder's
alteration or a partial redesign from Bolger himself?
John E.
large sliding 'sun roof'. Is the 'Birdwatcher Cabin' Version a builder's
alteration or a partial redesign from Bolger himself?
John E.
----- Original Message -----
From: "sctree" <sctree@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 3:51 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: 16'-24' Cruiser
> Pat,
>
> If you could live with the fishing cockpit forward, and come up with
> something creative for the forward hull "door" or ramp for your wife's
> access, Bolger's "Clam Skiff 'Birdwatcher Cabin' Version" hits the
> most of your wants. If stretched, you could even get the head and
> 'sauna/hot tub' space.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "antec007" <pateson@c...> wrote:
> > Well, I'm back again, still looking for my "Perfect Cruiser"
> > for my Wife and me.
> >
>
> >
> > I am looking for an easy to build, Power Cruiser that my wife
> > and I can use to "Cruise" sheltered Lakes and Rivers in the
> > NW US. A few days, maybe a week at a time.
> > I would like to initially power it with my Old 15 HP Sea Horse,
> > so it Must be light, and easily driven.
> > I would like to keep the Length to well under 24 feet.
> > I know there are "Tennessee" type owners who will tell me
> > that 30 feet is OK, but I really don't want a boat that long.
> > 18-22 would be best in My mind, tending toward the 18.
> > The trick here is that I would Like to have more than just
> > displacement speed. 15 MPH would be Very nice.
> >
> > It needs to have a Large Fishing Area aft, as we spend most
> > of our "Cruising" trying to catch dinner and Lounging.
> > Plastic Lawn Chairs for cockpit seating.
> > It Needs a weather proof sleeping "Cabin" for two to sleep side
> > by side.
> > Sitting room in the cabin. Slot top "Birdwatcher" type
> > top would be nice for "Standing headroom, and "No-bend"
> > access through out the boat.
> > A head of some sort, that is Not under the berth, or under
> > my Nose at night.
> > Most cooking will be done in the Roomy Fishing area.
> > Some storage for clothing, provisions, and a dedicated place
> > for a large Ice chest or small Fridge.
> > Tiller steering would be OK, but I have thought
> > of a "Side Tiller". "Captain's Wheel" not required.
> >
> > Shower, hot tub, and sauna optional, but not required.
> >
>
>
> > Thanks
> > Pat Patteson
> > Molalla, Oregon
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
Have you checked out Sow's Ear? It's a new Jim Michalak design that's much
like a cross between his AF4 power sharpie and Bolger's Micro.
John E.
like a cross between his AF4 power sharpie and Bolger's Micro.
John E.
----- Original Message -----
From: "antec007" <pateson@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 2:55 PM
Subject: [bolger] 16'-24' Cruiser
> Well, I'm back again, still looking for my "Perfect Cruiser"
> for my Wife and me.
>
> I Know this Is the Bolger Group.
> I have been a Bolger fan since Small Boat Journal was in
> large format, and it actually wrote about Bolger Boats.
> I have built two Bolger boats.
> I hope to make this discussion and decision short and sweet.
> Please don't get upset when I mention other designers boats.
> I am asking because I know there are a lot of folks
> with experience and knowledge of small boats here.
>
> I asked a similar question back in March of last year.
> After hearing from you, I bought plans for a GP-16.
> My mistake.
> That was not the boat I wanted. Too complicated and too
> expensive, requiring a 50 HP motor.
> Soo No GP-16 or GP anything and No Cruiser, Yet.
> Some of My "Needs" were "Wants" and have changed.
> The one Requirement that Our Cruiser Must have is easy boarding
> for my Wife. She had double hip surgery a few years ago,
> and can't crawl into a boat like she used to.
> That was The Main reason I chose the GP-16.
> It has a Very Cool "Landing Craft" ramp.
> I fell in love with the "Ramp" and ignored the rest of the boat.
> Some sort of Bow Ramp/Door or something to allow her to get
> into and out of the boat when we pull up on a Nice Beach.
> It must be in the Bow, as that is where She usually has
> to get in and out of a boat in our Poking around.
>
> I am looking for an easy to build, Power Cruiser that my wife
> and I can use to "Cruise" sheltered Lakes and Rivers in the
> NW US. A few days, maybe a week at a time.
> I would like to initially power it with my Old 15 HP Sea Horse,
> so it Must be light, and easily driven.
> I would like to keep the Length to well under 24 feet.
> I know there are "Tennessee" type owners who will tell me
> that 30 feet is OK, but I really don't want a boat that long.
> 18-22 would be best in My mind, tending toward the 18.
> The trick here is that I would Like to have more than just
> displacement speed. 15 MPH would be Very nice.
>
> It needs to have a Large Fishing Area aft, as we spend most
> of our "Cruising" trying to catch dinner and Lounging.
> Plastic Lawn Chairs for cockpit seating.
> It Needs a weather proof sleeping "Cabin" for two to sleep side
> by side.
> Sitting room in the cabin. Slot top "Birdwatcher" type
> top would be nice for "Standing headroom, and "No-bend"
> access through out the boat.
> A head of some sort, that is Not under the berth, or under
> my Nose at night.
> Most cooking will be done in the Roomy Fishing area.
> Some storage for clothing, provisions, and a dedicated place
> for a large Ice chest or small Fridge.
> Tiller steering would be OK, but I have thought
> of a "Side Tiller". "Captain's Wheel" not required.
>
> Shower, hot tub, and sauna optional, but not required.
>
> I have looked at a lot of Bolger Designs and not yet
> found what I am looking for.
>
> Right now, I think I have a couple of Jim Michalak designs.
> Both modified AF4's.
> A widened 18'AF4 to give me a Bow Ramp, or an AF4 Grande
> with bow chopped off back to width of Bow Ramp.
> He also has a new design he call "Sow's Ear" which suits
> requirements pretty well, but doesn't have the nice lines
> of the AF4 or the SkiffAmreica.
> Another similar design is the SkiffAmerica 20 with either
> a chopped off nose, or door in the side of the bow.
>
> If anyone can think of a Bolger Boat that might work,
> please let me know.
> I would rather Not have anything that comes apart,
> or folds up. (Just my druthers)
> I have seen Microtrawler. Nice, but not enough "fishing" room,
> it too takes a big motor.
>
> The Loooong boats Are tempting but just Too long for a
> lot of the place we like to go.
>
> Thanks
> Pat Patteson
> Molalla, Oregon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
Just add that
What Jim Michalak did for me was to meet a very demanding
nautical requirement with utter competence and style.
Mark
What Jim Michalak did for me was to meet a very demanding
nautical requirement with utter competence and style.
Mark
Jim is fabulous to work with. He makes himself very
accessible. He's very patient, informative and precise in
those long emails that parse your every word.
Most people would say the electric boat he finally drew with
me is better in every way than what I had in mind. It turned
out to cost more than I could handle, and was maybe a tad
too heavy for less than 2 hp. So I haven't built it. I was
glad to see there's one in the works in California.
Designer's hell must be to never see it built.
At the time, a narrower 18 footer otherwise similar to Sow's
Ear would have suit me fine. ( For now, I'm sticking with a
75% scale of the Anhinga. )
Mark
vexatious2001 wrote:
accessible. He's very patient, informative and precise in
those long emails that parse your every word.
Most people would say the electric boat he finally drew with
me is better in every way than what I had in mind. It turned
out to cost more than I could handle, and was maybe a tad
too heavy for less than 2 hp. So I haven't built it. I was
glad to see there's one in the works in California.
Designer's hell must be to never see it built.
At the time, a narrower 18 footer otherwise similar to Sow's
Ear would have suit me fine. ( For now, I'm sticking with a
75% scale of the Anhinga. )
Mark
vexatious2001 wrote:
>
> - A year or more ago, he wasn't much
> > interested in talking with me about the plumb sided
> models.
> > What about asking for the box cutwater now?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
>
> Jim is "expanding his horizons." Right now, he is working
> on a 14 ft, twin-cockpit outboard runabout with a lot
> of "tumblehome" in the sides back by the transom.
>
> He's not real sure how that will work out in taped-seam-
> construction, but I have already said that I will try
> to build it as next winters project if he thinks it will
> work.
> That would be my third Michalak boat.
>
> He also has a design for a folding dinghy coming out,
> and some other projects that he won't tell me about 'cause
> he knows I'll go blab about it on the internet.
>
> If one of you computer genuses (genusie?) don't start
> up a Michalak group soon, I may have to.
>
> Max
>
Go for it, Max.
CTD
If one of you computer genuses (genusie?) don't start
up a Michalak group soon, I may have to.
Max
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CTD
If one of you computer genuses (genusie?) don't start
up a Michalak group soon, I may have to.
Max
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I've almost done it a time or two, but feel that his designs are so much in
the Bolger spirit that creating a separate group would dilute the goings on
here.
It's not hard to create a group, though. Takes about two minutes.
JB
the Bolger spirit that creating a separate group would dilute the goings on
here.
It's not hard to create a group, though. Takes about two minutes.
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "vexatious2001" <cadbury@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:09 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: 16'-24' Cruiser
- A year or more ago, he wasn't much
on a 14 ft, twin-cockpit outboard runabout with a lot
of "tumblehome" in the sides back by the transom.
He's not real sure how that will work out in taped-seam-
construction, but I have already said that I will try
to build it as next winters project if he thinks it will work.
That would be my third Michalak boat.
He also has a design for a folding dinghy coming out,
and some other projects that he won't tell me about 'cause
he knows I'll go blab about it on the internet.
If one of you computer genuses (genusie?) don't start
up a Michalak group soon, I may have to.
Max
> interested in talking with me about the plumb sided models.Jim is "expanding his horizons." Right now, he is working
> What about asking for the box cutwater now?
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
on a 14 ft, twin-cockpit outboard runabout with a lot
of "tumblehome" in the sides back by the transom.
He's not real sure how that will work out in taped-seam-
construction, but I have already said that I will try
to build it as next winters project if he thinks it will work.
That would be my third Michalak boat.
He also has a design for a folding dinghy coming out,
and some other projects that he won't tell me about 'cause
he knows I'll go blab about it on the internet.
If one of you computer genuses (genusie?) don't start
up a Michalak group soon, I may have to.
Max
-
form that crosses the cockpit:
My thoughts had been to make that a walk-through bulkhead,
eliminate the short bulkhead at the forward end of the
motorwell, and add a slotted roof from the new bulkhead
back to the transom, creating an "aft cabin". In order
to make the aft cabin long enough to sleep in, I would
add a raised cockpit deck in the now very short amidships
cockpit, allowing leg room underneath for the aft cabin,
and also making the cockpit self bailing. This mod.
would provide two completly seperate sleeping areas in
a boat less than 16 feet long, although greatly reducing
cockpit space.
The outboard would be mounted on a bracket, with a large
opening door in the transom to provide access. Remote
controls required.
I told Jim that the sow's Ear was like a kid playing with
a big cardboard box- it could be anything you wanted it
to be. I figured he thought I was nuts- glad to see
someone else has been pestering him about this design.
As far as the standard Sow's Ear goes, I think curving the
"cockpit coamings" down, as done on the AF4, would help
the looks a bit, and the lower coamings might be better
for fishing.
Max
> In an email sent directly to you I attached a picture of a model ofa
> stretched Sow's Ear (17 ft.) with standing height cabin, the walklooking
> through bow. a reasonable amount of open area aft (5.5 ft) and room
> for helm, potti, galley, etc. in an area separate from the sleeping
> area. The cabin is along the lines of Bolger's Micro Navigator.
>
> As to ugliness, I showed the lines of the original Sow's Ear to my
> wife and she gagged. She does, however, like the appearance of the
> completed model. The narrow bow entrance is nice (much better
> than Betts' designs) and it definitely makes entry from shore easy.You will note on the Sow's Ear drawings, the temporary
>
> I'm definitely going to make the modified Sow, perhaps with an
> additional stretch to about 18 ft.
>
form that crosses the cockpit:
My thoughts had been to make that a walk-through bulkhead,
eliminate the short bulkhead at the forward end of the
motorwell, and add a slotted roof from the new bulkhead
back to the transom, creating an "aft cabin". In order
to make the aft cabin long enough to sleep in, I would
add a raised cockpit deck in the now very short amidships
cockpit, allowing leg room underneath for the aft cabin,
and also making the cockpit self bailing. This mod.
would provide two completly seperate sleeping areas in
a boat less than 16 feet long, although greatly reducing
cockpit space.
The outboard would be mounted on a bracket, with a large
opening door in the transom to provide access. Remote
controls required.
I told Jim that the sow's Ear was like a kid playing with
a big cardboard box- it could be anything you wanted it
to be. I figured he thought I was nuts- glad to see
someone else has been pestering him about this design.
As far as the standard Sow's Ear goes, I think curving the
"cockpit coamings" down, as done on the AF4, would help
the looks a bit, and the lower coamings might be better
for fishing.
Max
Oops. I just found them in the Bolger photo section. I looked in the
files section, and Bolger2 files and photos, keep forgetting about
Bolger photo section. Maybe its only short term memory loss.
files section, and Bolger2 files and photos, keep forgetting about
Bolger photo section. Maybe its only short term memory loss.
> Any pictures of the Bolger Clam Skiff anywhere? I searched thethe
> archives and there were some posted, but no longer there.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
>
> > access, Bolger's "Clam Skiff 'Birdwatcher Cabin' Version" hits
> > most of your wants. If stretched, you could even get the head and
> > 'sauna/hot tub' space.
> >
> > Rick
Look in photos section of this group or over in the files and photos in the
WoodenPowerboats group. I've posted them a couple of times, at least.
JB
WoodenPowerboats group. I've posted them a couple of times, at least.
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "kayaker37" <kayaker37@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:38 PM
Subject: [bolger] Bolger Clam Skiff? Re: 16'-24' Cruiser
| Any pictures of the Bolger Clam Skiff anywhere? I searched the
| archives and there were some posted, but no longer there.
|
| Thanks,
| Paul
|
|
| > access, Bolger's "Clam Skiff 'Birdwatcher Cabin' Version" hits the
| > most of your wants. If stretched, you could even get the head and
| > 'sauna/hot tub' space.
| >
| > Rick
|
|
|
|
| Bolger rules!!!
| - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
| - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
| - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
| - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
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Any pictures of the Bolger Clam Skiff anywhere? I searched the
archives and there were some posted, but no longer there.
Thanks,
Paul
archives and there were some posted, but no longer there.
Thanks,
Paul
> access, Bolger's "Clam Skiff 'Birdwatcher Cabin' Version" hits the
> most of your wants. If stretched, you could even get the head and
> 'sauna/hot tub' space.
>
> Rick
Those square boats do grow on you.
Jim Michalak is always dubious about the rough water
handling of flat bottomed boats, and was so specifically in
his piece on Sow's Ear. A year or more ago, he wasn't much
interested in talking with me about the plumb sided models.
What about asking for the box cutwater now?
Mark
pseudospark wrote:
Jim Michalak is always dubious about the rough water
handling of flat bottomed boats, and was so specifically in
his piece on Sow's Ear. A year or more ago, he wasn't much
interested in talking with me about the plumb sided models.
What about asking for the box cutwater now?
Mark
pseudospark wrote:
>snips
>Jim Michalak's Sow's Ear struck me at first as
> very ugly but it sort of grew on me and it's so basic that
> it is quite amenable to changes, some of which I've already run
> past Jim.
>
> In an email sent directly to you I attached a picture of a
> model of a
> stretched Sow's Ear (17 ft.) with standing height cabin,
> the walk
> through bow. a reasonable amount of open area aft (5.5 ft)
> and room
> for helm, potti, galley, etc. in an area separate from the
> sleeping
> area. The cabin is along the lines of Bolger's Micro
> Navigator.
>
> As to ugliness, I showed the lines of the original Sow's
> Ear to my
> wife and she gagged. She does, however, like the
> appearance of the
> completed model. The narrow bow entrance is nice (much
> better looking
> than Betts' designs) and it definitely makes entry from
> shore easy.
>
> I'm definitely going to make the modified Sow, perhaps
> with an
> additional stretch to about 18 ft.
>
> Also, Betts is in the midst of announcing his 12x6 ft (?)
> River Rat.
>
> Steve Hansen
>
>
It was the Idaho
http://www.common-sense-boats.com/boats/Power_Boats/idaho.htm
You could maybe put a side ramp up front that would seal when lifted and
with some kind of fittings and pins in the sheer that would provide
structural integrity across.
HJ
pvanderwaart wrote:
http://www.common-sense-boats.com/boats/Power_Boats/idaho.htm
You could maybe put a side ramp up front that would seal when lifted and
with some kind of fittings and pins in the sheer that would provide
structural integrity across.
HJ
pvanderwaart wrote:
>
> > Well, I'm back again, still looking for my "Perfect Cruiser"
> > for my Wife and me.
>
> Which was the power boat that PCB designed to accomodate Bernie
> Wolford's wheelchair?
>
>
John,
Done. In the photos area under Sow's Ear (2 photos and one line
drawing).
Steve Hansen
Done. In the photos area under Sow's Ear (2 photos and one line
drawing).
Steve Hansen
--- In bolger@y..., "John Bell" <jmbell@m...> wrote:
> I'd like to see that one. How about posting it in the Photos
section of this
> group?
>
> JB
I'd like to see that one. How about posting it in the Photos section of this
group?
JB
group?
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "pseudospark" <shansen@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 8:29 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: 16'-24' Cruiser
| Pat,
|
| In an email sent directly to you I attached a picture of a model of a
| stretched Sow's Ear (17 ft.) with standing height cabin, the walk
| through bow. a reasonable amount of open area aft (5.5 ft) and room
| for helm, potti, galley, etc. in an area separate from the sleeping
| area. The cabin is along the lines of Bolger's Micro Navigator.
|
|
Pat,
Your desires echo mine quite closely. I too had been looking at GP-16
and its derivatives (Po White Trash and Gypsy's Poke), the Cabin Clam
Skiff of Bolger, etc. Jim Michalak's Sow's Ear struck me at first as
very ugly but it sort of grew on me and it's so basic that it is
quite amenable to changes, some of which I've already run past Jim.
In an email sent directly to you I attached a picture of a model of a
stretched Sow's Ear (17 ft.) with standing height cabin, the walk
through bow. a reasonable amount of open area aft (5.5 ft) and room
for helm, potti, galley, etc. in an area separate from the sleeping
area. The cabin is along the lines of Bolger's Micro Navigator.
As to ugliness, I showed the lines of the original Sow's Ear to my
wife and she gagged. She does, however, like the appearance of the
completed model. The narrow bow entrance is nice (much better looking
than Betts' designs) and it definitely makes entry from shore easy.
I'm definitely going to make the modified Sow, perhaps with an
additional stretch to about 18 ft.
Also, Betts is in the midst of announcing his 12x6 ft (?) River Rat.
Steve Hansen
Your desires echo mine quite closely. I too had been looking at GP-16
and its derivatives (Po White Trash and Gypsy's Poke), the Cabin Clam
Skiff of Bolger, etc. Jim Michalak's Sow's Ear struck me at first as
very ugly but it sort of grew on me and it's so basic that it is
quite amenable to changes, some of which I've already run past Jim.
In an email sent directly to you I attached a picture of a model of a
stretched Sow's Ear (17 ft.) with standing height cabin, the walk
through bow. a reasonable amount of open area aft (5.5 ft) and room
for helm, potti, galley, etc. in an area separate from the sleeping
area. The cabin is along the lines of Bolger's Micro Navigator.
As to ugliness, I showed the lines of the original Sow's Ear to my
wife and she gagged. She does, however, like the appearance of the
completed model. The narrow bow entrance is nice (much better looking
than Betts' designs) and it definitely makes entry from shore easy.
I'm definitely going to make the modified Sow, perhaps with an
additional stretch to about 18 ft.
Also, Betts is in the midst of announcing his 12x6 ft (?) River Rat.
Steve Hansen
Jim's shanty boats Harmonica and Chanteuse may fit bill as simplified
versions of Betts' GP-16.
Why not commission a design from Jim? He my be sympathetic to your needs.
JB
versions of Betts' GP-16.
Why not commission a design from Jim? He my be sympathetic to your needs.
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "antec007" <pateson@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 5:55 PM
Subject: [bolger] 16'-24' Cruiser
| Well, I'm back again, still looking for my "Perfect Cruiser"
| for my Wife and me.
|
| I Know this Is the Bolger Group.
| I have been a Bolger fan since Small Boat Journal was in
| large format, and it actually wrote about Bolger Boats.
| I have built two Bolger boats.
| I hope to make this discussion and decision short and sweet.
| Please don't get upset when I mention other designers boats.
| I am asking because I know there are a lot of folks
| with experience and knowledge of small boats here.
|
| I asked a similar question back in March of last year.
| After hearing from you, I bought plans for a GP-16.
| My mistake.
| That was not the boat I wanted. Too complicated and too
| expensive, requiring a 50 HP motor.
| Soo No GP-16 or GP anything and No Cruiser, Yet.
| Some of My "Needs" were "Wants" and have changed.
| The one Requirement that Our Cruiser Must have is easy boarding
| for my Wife. She had double hip surgery a few years ago,
| and can't crawl into a boat like she used to.
| That was The Main reason I chose the GP-16.
| It has a Very Cool "Landing Craft" ramp.
| I fell in love with the "Ramp" and ignored the rest of the boat.
| Some sort of Bow Ramp/Door or something to allow her to get
| into and out of the boat when we pull up on a Nice Beach.
| It must be in the Bow, as that is where She usually has
| to get in and out of a boat in our Poking around.
|
| I am looking for an easy to build, Power Cruiser that my wife
| and I can use to "Cruise" sheltered Lakes and Rivers in the
| NW US. A few days, maybe a week at a time.
| I would like to initially power it with my Old 15 HP Sea Horse,
| so it Must be light, and easily driven.
| I would like to keep the Length to well under 24 feet.
| I know there are "Tennessee" type owners who will tell me
| that 30 feet is OK, but I really don't want a boat that long.
| 18-22 would be best in My mind, tending toward the 18.
| The trick here is that I would Like to have more than just
| displacement speed. 15 MPH would be Very nice.
|
| It needs to have a Large Fishing Area aft, as we spend most
| of our "Cruising" trying to catch dinner and Lounging.
| Plastic Lawn Chairs for cockpit seating.
| It Needs a weather proof sleeping "Cabin" for two to sleep side
| by side.
| Sitting room in the cabin. Slot top "Birdwatcher" type
| top would be nice for "Standing headroom, and "No-bend"
| access through out the boat.
| A head of some sort, that is Not under the berth, or under
| my Nose at night.
| Most cooking will be done in the Roomy Fishing area.
| Some storage for clothing, provisions, and a dedicated place
| for a large Ice chest or small Fridge.
| Tiller steering would be OK, but I have thought
| of a "Side Tiller". "Captain's Wheel" not required.
|
| Shower, hot tub, and sauna optional, but not required.
|
| I have looked at a lot of Bolger Designs and not yet
| found what I am looking for.
|
| Right now, I think I have a couple of Jim Michalak designs.
| Both modified AF4's.
| A widened 18'AF4 to give me a Bow Ramp, or an AF4 Grande
| with bow chopped off back to width of Bow Ramp.
| He also has a new design he call "Sow's Ear" which suits
| requirements pretty well, but doesn't have the nice lines
| of the AF4 or the SkiffAmreica.
| Another similar design is the SkiffAmerica 20 with either
| a chopped off nose, or door in the side of the bow.
|
| If anyone can think of a Bolger Boat that might work,
| please let me know.
| I would rather Not have anything that comes apart,
| or folds up. (Just my druthers)
| I have seen Microtrawler. Nice, but not enough "fishing" room,
| it too takes a big motor.
|
| The Loooong boats Are tempting but just Too long for a
| lot of the place we like to go.
|
| Thanks
| Pat Patteson
| Molalla, Oregon
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Bolger rules!!!
| - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
| - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
| - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
| - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
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|
|
|
Peter, are you thinking of one shown in the Bolger article,
WB #92, pp 48?
" Intended for sailors with disabilities, this bow steering
keel sharpie, ( 39' x 8' x 3' 7 )
might be wheelchair compatible. A power yawl, docked in the
open stern, will allow boarding with a minimum of agility."
Nice. This is worth the disk space if you have a scanner.
Mark
pvanderwaart wrote:
WB #92, pp 48?
" Intended for sailors with disabilities, this bow steering
keel sharpie, ( 39' x 8' x 3' 7 )
might be wheelchair compatible. A power yawl, docked in the
open stern, will allow boarding with a minimum of agility."
Nice. This is worth the disk space if you have a scanner.
Mark
pvanderwaart wrote:
>
> > Well, I'm back again, still looking for my "Perfect
> Cruiser"
> > for my Wife and me.
>
> Which was the power boat that PCB designed to accomodate
> Bernie
> Wolford's wheelchair?
>
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Pat,
If you could live with the fishing cockpit forward, and come up with
something creative for the forward hull "door" or ramp for your wife's
access, Bolger's "Clam Skiff 'Birdwatcher Cabin' Version" hits the
most of your wants. If stretched, you could even get the head and
'sauna/hot tub' space.
Rick
If you could live with the fishing cockpit forward, and come up with
something creative for the forward hull "door" or ramp for your wife's
access, Bolger's "Clam Skiff 'Birdwatcher Cabin' Version" hits the
most of your wants. If stretched, you could even get the head and
'sauna/hot tub' space.
Rick
--- In bolger@y..., "antec007" <pateson@c...> wrote:
> Well, I'm back again, still looking for my "Perfect Cruiser"
> for my Wife and me.
>
>
> I am looking for an easy to build, Power Cruiser that my wife
> and I can use to "Cruise" sheltered Lakes and Rivers in the
> NW US. A few days, maybe a week at a time.
> I would like to initially power it with my Old 15 HP Sea Horse,
> so it Must be light, and easily driven.
> I would like to keep the Length to well under 24 feet.
> I know there are "Tennessee" type owners who will tell me
> that 30 feet is OK, but I really don't want a boat that long.
> 18-22 would be best in My mind, tending toward the 18.
> The trick here is that I would Like to have more than just
> displacement speed. 15 MPH would be Very nice.
>
> It needs to have a Large Fishing Area aft, as we spend most
> of our "Cruising" trying to catch dinner and Lounging.
> Plastic Lawn Chairs for cockpit seating.
> It Needs a weather proof sleeping "Cabin" for two to sleep side
> by side.
> Sitting room in the cabin. Slot top "Birdwatcher" type
> top would be nice for "Standing headroom, and "No-bend"
> access through out the boat.
> A head of some sort, that is Not under the berth, or under
> my Nose at night.
> Most cooking will be done in the Roomy Fishing area.
> Some storage for clothing, provisions, and a dedicated place
> for a large Ice chest or small Fridge.
> Tiller steering would be OK, but I have thought
> of a "Side Tiller". "Captain's Wheel" not required.
>
> Shower, hot tub, and sauna optional, but not required.
>
> Thanks
> Pat Patteson
> Molalla, Oregon
I believe that's the IDAHO. 30' X 5' cruiser.
----- Original Message -----
From: pvanderwaart
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 4:24 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: 16'-24' Cruiser
> Well, I'm back again, still looking for my "Perfect Cruiser"
> for my Wife and me.
Which was the power boat that PCB designed to accomodate Bernie
Wolford's wheelchair?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Well, I'm back again, still looking for my "Perfect Cruiser"Which was the power boat that PCB designed to accomodate Bernie
> for my Wife and me.
Wolford's wheelchair?
Well, I'm back again, still looking for my "Perfect Cruiser"
for my Wife and me.
I Know this Is the Bolger Group.
I have been a Bolger fan since Small Boat Journal was in
large format, and it actually wrote about Bolger Boats.
I have built two Bolger boats.
I hope to make this discussion and decision short and sweet.
Please don't get upset when I mention other designers boats.
I am asking because I know there are a lot of folks
with experience and knowledge of small boats here.
I asked a similar question back in March of last year.
After hearing from you, I bought plans for a GP-16.
My mistake.
That was not the boat I wanted. Too complicated and too
expensive, requiring a 50 HP motor.
Soo No GP-16 or GP anything and No Cruiser, Yet.
Some of My "Needs" were "Wants" and have changed.
The one Requirement that Our Cruiser Must have is easy boarding
for my Wife. She had double hip surgery a few years ago,
and can't crawl into a boat like she used to.
That was The Main reason I chose the GP-16.
It has a Very Cool "Landing Craft" ramp.
I fell in love with the "Ramp" and ignored the rest of the boat.
Some sort of Bow Ramp/Door or something to allow her to get
into and out of the boat when we pull up on a Nice Beach.
It must be in the Bow, as that is where She usually has
to get in and out of a boat in our Poking around.
I am looking for an easy to build, Power Cruiser that my wife
and I can use to "Cruise" sheltered Lakes and Rivers in the
NW US. A few days, maybe a week at a time.
I would like to initially power it with my Old 15 HP Sea Horse,
so it Must be light, and easily driven.
I would like to keep the Length to well under 24 feet.
I know there are "Tennessee" type owners who will tell me
that 30 feet is OK, but I really don't want a boat that long.
18-22 would be best in My mind, tending toward the 18.
The trick here is that I would Like to have more than just
displacement speed. 15 MPH would be Very nice.
It needs to have a Large Fishing Area aft, as we spend most
of our "Cruising" trying to catch dinner and Lounging.
Plastic Lawn Chairs for cockpit seating.
It Needs a weather proof sleeping "Cabin" for two to sleep side
by side.
Sitting room in the cabin. Slot top "Birdwatcher" type
top would be nice for "Standing headroom, and "No-bend"
access through out the boat.
A head of some sort, that is Not under the berth, or under
my Nose at night.
Most cooking will be done in the Roomy Fishing area.
Some storage for clothing, provisions, and a dedicated place
for a large Ice chest or small Fridge.
Tiller steering would be OK, but I have thought
of a "Side Tiller". "Captain's Wheel" not required.
Shower, hot tub, and sauna optional, but not required.
I have looked at a lot of Bolger Designs and not yet
found what I am looking for.
Right now, I think I have a couple of Jim Michalak designs.
Both modified AF4's.
A widened 18'AF4 to give me a Bow Ramp, or an AF4 Grande
with bow chopped off back to width of Bow Ramp.
He also has a new design he call "Sow's Ear" which suits
requirements pretty well, but doesn't have the nice lines
of the AF4 or the SkiffAmreica.
Another similar design is the SkiffAmerica 20 with either
a chopped off nose, or door in the side of the bow.
If anyone can think of a Bolger Boat that might work,
please let me know.
I would rather Not have anything that comes apart,
or folds up. (Just my druthers)
I have seen Microtrawler. Nice, but not enough "fishing" room,
it too takes a big motor.
The Loooong boats Are tempting but just Too long for a
lot of the place we like to go.
Thanks
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon
for my Wife and me.
I Know this Is the Bolger Group.
I have been a Bolger fan since Small Boat Journal was in
large format, and it actually wrote about Bolger Boats.
I have built two Bolger boats.
I hope to make this discussion and decision short and sweet.
Please don't get upset when I mention other designers boats.
I am asking because I know there are a lot of folks
with experience and knowledge of small boats here.
I asked a similar question back in March of last year.
After hearing from you, I bought plans for a GP-16.
My mistake.
That was not the boat I wanted. Too complicated and too
expensive, requiring a 50 HP motor.
Soo No GP-16 or GP anything and No Cruiser, Yet.
Some of My "Needs" were "Wants" and have changed.
The one Requirement that Our Cruiser Must have is easy boarding
for my Wife. She had double hip surgery a few years ago,
and can't crawl into a boat like she used to.
That was The Main reason I chose the GP-16.
It has a Very Cool "Landing Craft" ramp.
I fell in love with the "Ramp" and ignored the rest of the boat.
Some sort of Bow Ramp/Door or something to allow her to get
into and out of the boat when we pull up on a Nice Beach.
It must be in the Bow, as that is where She usually has
to get in and out of a boat in our Poking around.
I am looking for an easy to build, Power Cruiser that my wife
and I can use to "Cruise" sheltered Lakes and Rivers in the
NW US. A few days, maybe a week at a time.
I would like to initially power it with my Old 15 HP Sea Horse,
so it Must be light, and easily driven.
I would like to keep the Length to well under 24 feet.
I know there are "Tennessee" type owners who will tell me
that 30 feet is OK, but I really don't want a boat that long.
18-22 would be best in My mind, tending toward the 18.
The trick here is that I would Like to have more than just
displacement speed. 15 MPH would be Very nice.
It needs to have a Large Fishing Area aft, as we spend most
of our "Cruising" trying to catch dinner and Lounging.
Plastic Lawn Chairs for cockpit seating.
It Needs a weather proof sleeping "Cabin" for two to sleep side
by side.
Sitting room in the cabin. Slot top "Birdwatcher" type
top would be nice for "Standing headroom, and "No-bend"
access through out the boat.
A head of some sort, that is Not under the berth, or under
my Nose at night.
Most cooking will be done in the Roomy Fishing area.
Some storage for clothing, provisions, and a dedicated place
for a large Ice chest or small Fridge.
Tiller steering would be OK, but I have thought
of a "Side Tiller". "Captain's Wheel" not required.
Shower, hot tub, and sauna optional, but not required.
I have looked at a lot of Bolger Designs and not yet
found what I am looking for.
Right now, I think I have a couple of Jim Michalak designs.
Both modified AF4's.
A widened 18'AF4 to give me a Bow Ramp, or an AF4 Grande
with bow chopped off back to width of Bow Ramp.
He also has a new design he call "Sow's Ear" which suits
requirements pretty well, but doesn't have the nice lines
of the AF4 or the SkiffAmreica.
Another similar design is the SkiffAmerica 20 with either
a chopped off nose, or door in the side of the bow.
If anyone can think of a Bolger Boat that might work,
please let me know.
I would rather Not have anything that comes apart,
or folds up. (Just my druthers)
I have seen Microtrawler. Nice, but not enough "fishing" room,
it too takes a big motor.
The Loooong boats Are tempting but just Too long for a
lot of the place we like to go.
Thanks
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon