Re: Chebacco sea keeping
> Did you have any close calls with your Cynthia J? Did you have anyflotation installed? What do you think the chances of righting her
would be in case of capsize?
Good questions. Understand that the Cynthia J. is really just a flat-
bottom sailing skiff with very high sides and a foredeck. It's not
a "real" cabin catboat like, say the Charles Whittholz Sapphire. (see
www.boatdesigns.com)
I never did capsize her. The closest call was probably while trying
to raise sail and get underway while from anchor. It was very windy
and we were close to a windward shore, a combination that leads to
violent puffs from varied directions. We were spun around once or
twice. Matters aboard were too chaotic to have an opinion about how
close to a capsize we got.
Incidently, I disagree with PCB's write up where he suggests that she
might take water over the side without capsizing. I think that if she
ever got that far over, the weight of the crew, hanging on for dear
life, would take her all the way over.
I only sailed her once singlehanded, and I was surprised how much
quicker she heeled. In any real breeze the ballast of two or three
crew is welcome.
My boat had the flotation shown on the plans. As mentioned, it was
never tested. I bought additional foam, and I had the idea of
installing a block about 10" x 15" x3', standing on end on each side
of the cabin more or less around the frame and between the windows.
The idea was to help her float higher on her side to reduce the
amount of water that would be in her when rotated back onto her
bottom.
No question: She would have been a major problem in a capsize.
Peter
Peter,
Did you have any close calls with your Cynthia J? Did you have any flotation
installed? What do you think the chances of righting her would be in case of
capsize?
Stuart Crawford
New Zealand
on 10/1/02 10:42 AM, pvanderwaart atpvanderwaart@...wrote:
Did you have any close calls with your Cynthia J? Did you have any flotation
installed? What do you think the chances of righting her would be in case of
capsize?
Stuart Crawford
New Zealand
on 10/1/02 10:42 AM, pvanderwaart atpvanderwaart@...wrote:
>> Traditional catboats had a beam at least half their length. I
> would assume that adds to their stability.
>
> Traditional catboats of Chebacco length (not weight) also had
> substantial ballast. The type was refined in the choppy but protected
> water of Natucket Sound where the shallow water often kicks up 2'-3'
> waves. I never heard of a cabin catboat being capsized and it is hard
> to imagine it happening from wind alone. The boat would become
> uncontrolable and need reefing long before it capsized. (Of course,
> I'm sure it must have happened somewhere, sometime.)
>
> Any boat can be capsized by a combination of wind and sea, especially
> a breaking sea.
>
> Peter
--- In bolger@y..., "ymaapub" <tcomrie@y...> wrote:
wood, no?
>about this design-- the small rudder and large transom strike me as
> It seems like my ideal boat, but the two things that bother me
> being troublesome with a following sea, and difficulty of rightingin case of a capsize. If capsized, could it be righted? (By running
> some lifejackets down the halyard and standing on the bottom forinstance (how many people would it take?)) I have no
> experience with that sort of predicament and I would like to knowwhat to do if I ever find myself in that situation with a Chebacco.
> I'd love to hear from any catboat sailors who have had close calls.Would seem a good incentive to make the gaff and mast out of a light
wood, no?
Bill, didn't you make a model before you built your Chebacco? Can you
dunk it in the tub, and see how easy it is to get it to float ala
turtle?
dunk it in the tub, and see how easy it is to get it to float ala
turtle?
--- In bolger@y..., "ymaapub" <tcomrie@y...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., "Jeff Blunck" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> > Cat boats, they don't turtle very easy but when upside down, they
are usually more stable in that position than right side up. Unless
the are very heavily ballasted. That wide beam with shallow draft
just creates a stable platform to float upside down, at least until
the cabin fills............
>
> Late in the nineteenth century catboats were taken up by the
watered gentry as racing boats. That one sail became larger and
> larger until the boats were so overcanvased they became extremely
difficult to sail and the whole class got the reputaion as killers.
> Catboats of that type could and often did turn turtle. The Chebacco
is a modified catboat in that it has a sensible sailing rig and is
> not as wide as a traditional catboat (for easy trailering). My
concern is; if a Chebacco does turtle, how can it be righted? Perhaps
> some sort of self inflating flatulence bag on the mast.
--- In bolger@y..., "Jeff Blunck" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
larger until the boats were so overcanvased they became extremely difficult to sail and the whole class got the reputaion as killers.
Catboats of that type could and often did turn turtle. The Chebacco is a modified catboat in that it has a sensible sailing rig and is
not as wide as a traditional catboat (for easy trailering). My concern is; if a Chebacco does turtle, how can it be righted? Perhaps
some sort of self inflating flatulence bag on the mast.
> Cat boats, they don't turtle very easy but when upside down, they are usually more stable in that position than right side up. Unless the are very heavily ballasted. That wide beam with shallow draft just creates a stable platform to float upside down, at least until the cabin fills............Late in the nineteenth century catboats were taken up by the watered gentry as racing boats. That one sail became larger and
larger until the boats were so overcanvased they became extremely difficult to sail and the whole class got the reputaion as killers.
Catboats of that type could and often did turn turtle. The Chebacco is a modified catboat in that it has a sensible sailing rig and is
not as wide as a traditional catboat (for easy trailering). My concern is; if a Chebacco does turtle, how can it be righted? Perhaps
some sort of self inflating flatulence bag on the mast.
Cat boats, they don't turtle very easy but when upside down, they are usually more stable in that position than right side up. Unless the are very heavily ballasted. That wide beam with shallow draft just creates a stable platform to float upside down, at least until the cabin fills............
A book I have says they evolved as a work boat for their ease of handling ( 1 sail ), mast out of the way of the cargo, load carrying ability, and shallower draft under load. Usually in the 10 to 15 foot range for deliveries via water. One picture shows one loaded with ice blocks, another in use by a local butcher delivering along the shore.
I don't believe they where ever intended for open water.
Jeff
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A book I have says they evolved as a work boat for their ease of handling ( 1 sail ), mast out of the way of the cargo, load carrying ability, and shallower draft under load. Usually in the 10 to 15 foot range for deliveries via water. One picture shows one loaded with ice blocks, another in use by a local butcher delivering along the shore.
I don't believe they where ever intended for open water.
Jeff
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> Traditional catboats had a beam at least half their length. Iwould assume that adds to their stability.
Traditional catboats of Chebacco length (not weight) also had
substantial ballast. The type was refined in the choppy but protected
water of Natucket Sound where the shallow water often kicks up 2'-3'
waves. I never heard of a cabin catboat being capsized and it is hard
to imagine it happening from wind alone. The boat would become
uncontrolable and need reefing long before it capsized. (Of course,
I'm sure it must have happened somewhere, sometime.)
Any boat can be capsized by a combination of wind and sea, especially
a breaking sea.
Peter
> I'm under the impression the air caught in the pilot house would makeIf I build one it would be the open-cockpit lapstrake version.
> it really difficult to turtle the boat. And, if it did turtle, the
> next wave would knock it back on it's feet.
>That's good to know. I don't plan on burning my house down, but it's good to know the number for the Fire Department just in
> This is all academic, the models and computer simulations are self
> righting, but as far as I know, noone has capsized a Chebacco. A
> contributing factor to that might be the weather helm that pulls the
> boat into the wind when the sail is to leeward, and the rudder is out
> of the water...
case.
Traditional catboats had a beam at least half their length. I would assume that adds to their stability. I know of a man that had a catboat. His biggest critisism was that they are better suited to large open bodies of water where you dont have to do a lot of tacking...since they dont point to wind as well as a boat with a separate head sail. And you better reef earlier do to the large sail area.
Joe Nelson
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From: ymaapub <tcomrie@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:38 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Chebacco sea keeping
to have enough space to haul a few lobster pots around should I ever feel the need.
It seems like my ideal boat, but the two things that bother me about this design-- the small rudder and large transom strike me as
being troublesome with a following sea, and difficulty of righting in case of a capsize. If capsized, could it be righted? (By running
some lifejackets down the halyard and standing on the bottom for instance (how many people would it take?)) I have no
experience with that sort of predicament and I would like to know what to do if I ever find myself in that situation with a Chebacco.
I'd love to hear from any catboat sailors who have had close calls.
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Date: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:38 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Chebacco sea keeping
> So, the ballast might help, but probably wouldn't add much rightingNo, one of the things I like about the Chebacco is that nice big cockpit. Catboats developed as working boats and it would be nice
> moment in case of a knockdown. Have you considered building a CLC?
to have enough space to haul a few lobster pots around should I ever feel the need.
It seems like my ideal boat, but the two things that bother me about this design-- the small rudder and large transom strike me as
being troublesome with a following sea, and difficulty of righting in case of a capsize. If capsized, could it be righted? (By running
some lifejackets down the halyard and standing on the bottom for instance (how many people would it take?)) I have no
experience with that sort of predicament and I would like to know what to do if I ever find myself in that situation with a Chebacco.
I'd love to hear from any catboat sailors who have had close calls.
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--- In bolger@y..., "ymaapub" <tcomrie@y...> wrote:
If capsized, could it be righted? (By running
> some lifejackets down the halyard and standing on the bottom for
instance (how many people would it take?)) I have no
> experience with that sort of predicament and I would like to know
what to do if I ever find myself in that situation with a Chebacco.
> I'd love to hear from any catboat sailors who have had close calls.
I'm under the impression the air caught in the pilot house would make
it really difficult to turtle the boat. And, if it did turtle, the
next wave would knock it back on it's feet.
This is all academic, the models and computer simulations are self
righting, but as far as I know, noone has capsized a Chebacco. A
contributing factor to that might be the weather helm that pulls the
boat into the wind when the sail is to leeward, and the rudder is out
of the water...
Sorry, Chebacco Light Cruiser.
http://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/chebac18.htm
http://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/chebac18.htm
--- In bolger@y..., "Joe Nelson" <jonelson@q...> wrote:
> What is the "CLC" you are referring to?
>
> Joe Nelson
> C22 #4570
> jonelson@q...
> "Those who have abandoned their dreams will discourage yours".
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I see there's been considerable discussion since I opened Richard's posting
(I had to go do some work there, in the interim!) I think the theory has
been adequately covered by now so I'll try to stick to my own actual
experience, for what its worth.
My bad weather trip is already on Richard's page, so I won't go into that --
just say the boat got me home and while I wouldn't do it again by choice, it
was a useful experience and gave me great confidence in the design.
Day one of our week-long cruise last summer had us bucking headwinds and a
steep chop in Discovery Channel -- easily the two feet specified. We had to
reef, and made some progress to windward, but it was hard work. We jammed
out in the end and motored so as to beat the turn of the tide -- I don't
think we could have made much progress against both.
My only sight of the Oregon coast was visiting Depoe Bay (by road!) last
spring. I wouldn't have wanted to be out in the storm that we saw that
weekend -- I believe that coast is pretty exposed at the best of times.
While I have a lot of faith in the Chebacco, she isn't designed to be an
offshore cruiser. If she did go over, she wouldn't self-right and she does
have a large cockpit -- the footwell alone would hold close to 30 cubic feet
of water.
Bottom line, I would say that for summertime use as specified, absolutely no
problem. I plan to visit the west coast of Vancouver Island next summer,
and we'll be sailing in the same open ocean that fronts Oregon. I'll carry
the usual safety gear, watch the weather and have some sort of Plan B in
mind in case we get caught out, but I won't be losing sleep over it. (We
drove to Prince Rupert and briefly sailed Wayward Lass out of there last
summer, now I have delusions of sailing to the Queen Charlottes -- but I'll
be very careful picking the weather on that one!)
I hope to get down to Depoe Bay again this April, with Wayward Lass. If I
do, and if the weather will allow us to get out of the harbour I'll be happy
to take Joe and anyone else out for a test drive.
Cheers,
Jamie Orr
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From: rlspell2000 [mailto:richard@...]
Sent: January 8, 2002 10:05 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Chebacco sea keeping
Just got an email from from a fella interested in building a
Chebacco. He asked "What is your oppinion for using the Chebacco for
bluewater day trips? I am seeking a design in its size range that
can handle typical summer ocean conditions here. (Oregon, USA) 6-8'
swells and 2' seas."
I have recommended he join this group and post his question here, but
I was wondering what you'all Chebacco owners thought she could
handle? Jamie Orr had his Wayward Lass out in 5ft seas, and she
seemed to deal with it without to many problems.
Also, how common are 5ft seas? Or, whatever you think you Chebacco
will handle? How often have you seen scary conditions, when, where?
Thanks guys
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(I had to go do some work there, in the interim!) I think the theory has
been adequately covered by now so I'll try to stick to my own actual
experience, for what its worth.
My bad weather trip is already on Richard's page, so I won't go into that --
just say the boat got me home and while I wouldn't do it again by choice, it
was a useful experience and gave me great confidence in the design.
Day one of our week-long cruise last summer had us bucking headwinds and a
steep chop in Discovery Channel -- easily the two feet specified. We had to
reef, and made some progress to windward, but it was hard work. We jammed
out in the end and motored so as to beat the turn of the tide -- I don't
think we could have made much progress against both.
My only sight of the Oregon coast was visiting Depoe Bay (by road!) last
spring. I wouldn't have wanted to be out in the storm that we saw that
weekend -- I believe that coast is pretty exposed at the best of times.
While I have a lot of faith in the Chebacco, she isn't designed to be an
offshore cruiser. If she did go over, she wouldn't self-right and she does
have a large cockpit -- the footwell alone would hold close to 30 cubic feet
of water.
Bottom line, I would say that for summertime use as specified, absolutely no
problem. I plan to visit the west coast of Vancouver Island next summer,
and we'll be sailing in the same open ocean that fronts Oregon. I'll carry
the usual safety gear, watch the weather and have some sort of Plan B in
mind in case we get caught out, but I won't be losing sleep over it. (We
drove to Prince Rupert and briefly sailed Wayward Lass out of there last
summer, now I have delusions of sailing to the Queen Charlottes -- but I'll
be very careful picking the weather on that one!)
I hope to get down to Depoe Bay again this April, with Wayward Lass. If I
do, and if the weather will allow us to get out of the harbour I'll be happy
to take Joe and anyone else out for a test drive.
Cheers,
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: rlspell2000 [mailto:richard@...]
Sent: January 8, 2002 10:05 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Chebacco sea keeping
Just got an email from from a fella interested in building a
Chebacco. He asked "What is your oppinion for using the Chebacco for
bluewater day trips? I am seeking a design in its size range that
can handle typical summer ocean conditions here. (Oregon, USA) 6-8'
swells and 2' seas."
I have recommended he join this group and post his question here, but
I was wondering what you'all Chebacco owners thought she could
handle? Jamie Orr had his Wayward Lass out in 5ft seas, and she
seemed to deal with it without to many problems.
Also, how common are 5ft seas? Or, whatever you think you Chebacco
will handle? How often have you seen scary conditions, when, where?
Thanks guys
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> So, the ballast might help, but probably wouldn't add much rightingNo, one of the things I like about the Chebacco is that nice big cockpit. Catboats developed as working boats and it would be nice
> moment in case of a knockdown. Have you considered building a CLC?
to have enough space to haul a few lobster pots around should I ever feel the need.
It seems like my ideal boat, but the two things that bother me about this design-- the small rudder and large transom strike me as
being troublesome with a following sea, and difficulty of righting in case of a capsize. If capsized, could it be righted? (By running
some lifejackets down the halyard and standing on the bottom for instance (how many people would it take?)) I have no
experience with that sort of predicament and I would like to know what to do if I ever find myself in that situation with a Chebacco.
I'd love to hear from any catboat sailors who have had close calls.
Its funny in a way because I like self-righting, and
unsinkeable, and pilot houses, but the moment someone
comes along with all those things, I start thinking
about objections. So sorry in advance.
As a multihuller, bowing deeply to those of you with
greater single hull experience, are we really supposed
to seriously consider seaworthy a boat whose righting
moment is at its best when she bangs over at 90
degrees? Is that equivalent to lead ballast really?
These new boats that depend on their windows for final
stability have a real purpose, which is well described
in PCB's writings about his "best" design Birdwatcher
(which could just as easily be called Fishwatcher, for
her controlled ability to nock down). There seems to
me to be a huge difference between a technology that
provides some useful features along with a big safety
margin should you not spot a gust etc... and the
technology that is required when the sea state is such
that the chaotic weather can't be avoided. If its
unpleasant to go about with the odd wave bagging on
the bottom, how pleasant can it be to be the subject
of serial nockdowms?
It strikes me as simillar to the problem of capsize
recovery in a Kayak. A particular individual's roll
may work great in a pool, or in a river where the
heavy water is intersperced with flat runs, but if you
capsized because you couldn't handle the class IV
rapid, good luck rolling back up in the Class V rapid
that follows.
moment in case of a knockdown. Have you considered
building a CLC?<BR>
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unsinkeable, and pilot houses, but the moment someone
comes along with all those things, I start thinking
about objections. So sorry in advance.
As a multihuller, bowing deeply to those of you with
greater single hull experience, are we really supposed
to seriously consider seaworthy a boat whose righting
moment is at its best when she bangs over at 90
degrees? Is that equivalent to lead ballast really?
These new boats that depend on their windows for final
stability have a real purpose, which is well described
in PCB's writings about his "best" design Birdwatcher
(which could just as easily be called Fishwatcher, for
her controlled ability to nock down). There seems to
me to be a huge difference between a technology that
provides some useful features along with a big safety
margin should you not spot a gust etc... and the
technology that is required when the sea state is such
that the chaotic weather can't be avoided. If its
unpleasant to go about with the odd wave bagging on
the bottom, how pleasant can it be to be the subject
of serial nockdowms?
It strikes me as simillar to the problem of capsize
recovery in a Kayak. A particular individual's roll
may work great in a pool, or in a river where the
heavy water is intersperced with flat runs, but if you
capsized because you couldn't handle the class IV
rapid, good luck rolling back up in the Class V rapid
that follows.
>>So, the ballast might help, but probably wouldn'tadd much righting <BR>
moment in case of a knockdown. Have you considered
building a CLC?<BR>
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What is the "CLC" you are referring to?
Joe Nelson
C22 #4570
jonelson@...
"Those who have abandoned their dreams will discourage yours".
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Joe Nelson
C22 #4570
jonelson@...
"Those who have abandoned their dreams will discourage yours".
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 06:04:59 -0000, you wrote:
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Many a man has fallen in love with a girl in light so dim
he would not have chosen a suit by it. <Maurice Chevalier>
> Just got an email from from a fella interested in building a--
> Chebacco. He asked "What is your oppinion for using the Chebacco for
> bluewater day trips? I am seeking a design in its size range that
> can handle typical summer ocean conditions here. (Oregon, USA) 6-8'
> swells and 2' seas."
>
>
> I have recommended he join this group and post his question here, but
> I was wondering what you'all Chebacco owners thought she could
> handle? Jamie Orr had his Wayward Lass out in 5ft seas, and she
> seemed to deal with it without to many problems.
>
> Also, how common are 5ft seas? Or, whatever you think you Chebacco
> will handle? How often have you seen scary conditions, when, where?
>
> Thanks guys
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
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>
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Many a man has fallen in love with a girl in light so dim
he would not have chosen a suit by it. <Maurice Chevalier>
--- In bolger@y..., "ymaapub" <tcomrie@y...> wrote:
thought was funny.
Re: ballast on a Chebacoo. Yes, the added weight will make the boat
steadier, stiffer, and slower. The boat is self righting without
ballast, so the need for it is debatable.
The added weight of the cruising gear and superstructure on the
Chebacco light cruiser according to SA:
"With all the proposed details installed, and the necessary goods
aboard, the CRUISING CHEBACCO in full cruising trim will draw a few
more inches of water when you first step aboard her, thus will feel a
bit more solid underfoot, should be able to stand up to her rig a
little longer before reefing, while conceivably giving up some light-
air performance.:
Also:
"- The Deckhouse -
This is where the Cruising Chebacco really differs from her older
sisters. With a three-panel/center-hatch front, two-panel sides, four-
panel/two door aft bulkhead and two hatches overhead, there is dry,
comfortable and airy shelter for two, including a 'hard' dodger
overhand in the actual cockpit to get out of the wind, rain or sun
while at the tiller. Without any openings in it except the hatches
and double-doors on centerline her reserve stability is greatly
enhanced to easily recover from a knock-down making a jump across a
bay 'off-shore'."
So, the ballast might help, but probably wouldn't add much righting
moment in case of a knockdown. Have you considered building a CLC?
>to buy -=
> The discussion quickly spun out of control (see the thread 'wanted
> Chebacco water ballast') with proposals for flatulance-now do I d=
> assisted blowing of tanks, and other unhelpful suggestions. Only
> are posting to this board again.Don't take it personaly. It was the "wanted to buy" that everyone
thought was funny.
Re: ballast on a Chebacoo. Yes, the added weight will make the boat
steadier, stiffer, and slower. The boat is self righting without
ballast, so the need for it is debatable.
The added weight of the cruising gear and superstructure on the
Chebacco light cruiser according to SA:
"With all the proposed details installed, and the necessary goods
aboard, the CRUISING CHEBACCO in full cruising trim will draw a few
more inches of water when you first step aboard her, thus will feel a
bit more solid underfoot, should be able to stand up to her rig a
little longer before reefing, while conceivably giving up some light-
air performance.:
Also:
"- The Deckhouse -
This is where the Cruising Chebacco really differs from her older
sisters. With a three-panel/center-hatch front, two-panel sides, four-
panel/two door aft bulkhead and two hatches overhead, there is dry,
comfortable and airy shelter for two, including a 'hard' dodger
overhand in the actual cockpit to get out of the wind, rain or sun
while at the tiller. Without any openings in it except the hatches
and double-doors on centerline her reserve stability is greatly
enhanced to easily recover from a knock-down making a jump across a
bay 'off-shore'."
So, the ballast might help, but probably wouldn't add much righting
moment in case of a knockdown. Have you considered building a CLC?
I've been in the consideration phase for most of the last year (I have to w=
ait for a few years before I build my Chebacco). I've been
mulling this subject over as well, and have been thinking that I can set it=
up with four water ballast tanks under the floorboards
under the cockpit and cabin. It should add about 500 pounds (60 gallons) wi=
thout taking up too much space. I could use the
existing hull and structural elements for the bottom and sides wih a minimu=
m of modification, and a screws-and-caulking top that
can be pried up if necessary. At most it would mean raising the floor a few=
inches. I had toyed with putting in a SIMPLE plumbing
system to connect it with a bilge pump to empty the tanks while at sea shou=
ld I feel the need, but a bilge pump with a hose to
'vacuum' the tanks could serve the purpose just as well.
I brought this up for discussion on this board in August. Opinions were mix=
ed as to the necessity of ballast at all--that's why I
wanted to try a simple water ballast system, I might end up not using it at=
all, or only when the wind is strong. From 'Chebacco
Sailing 101' page of www.chebacco.com: "You may want to reef earlier (by on=
e Beaufort number) if sailing single handed. The
body weight of a crew can make a great difference to how the boat handles."=
The discussion quickly spun out of control (see the thread 'wanted to buy -=
Chebacco water ballast') with proposals for flatulance-
assisted blowing of tanks, and other unhelpful suggestions. Only now do I d=
are posting to this board again.
ait for a few years before I build my Chebacco). I've been
mulling this subject over as well, and have been thinking that I can set it=
up with four water ballast tanks under the floorboards
under the cockpit and cabin. It should add about 500 pounds (60 gallons) wi=
thout taking up too much space. I could use the
existing hull and structural elements for the bottom and sides wih a minimu=
m of modification, and a screws-and-caulking top that
can be pried up if necessary. At most it would mean raising the floor a few=
inches. I had toyed with putting in a SIMPLE plumbing
system to connect it with a bilge pump to empty the tanks while at sea shou=
ld I feel the need, but a bilge pump with a hose to
'vacuum' the tanks could serve the purpose just as well.
I brought this up for discussion on this board in August. Opinions were mix=
ed as to the necessity of ballast at all--that's why I
wanted to try a simple water ballast system, I might end up not using it at=
all, or only when the wind is strong. From 'Chebacco
Sailing 101' page of www.chebacco.com: "You may want to reef earlier (by on=
e Beaufort number) if sailing single handed. The
body weight of a crew can make a great difference to how the boat handles."=
The discussion quickly spun out of control (see the thread 'wanted to buy -=
Chebacco water ballast') with proposals for flatulance-
assisted blowing of tanks, and other unhelpful suggestions. Only now do I d=
are posting to this board again.
I was the person that asked the orignal question. I went ahead and
joined the group. Hello all!
I am looking for a boat that will handle seas. The covered front
deck and cabin is generally the first prerequisite. This limits
green water from coming over the bow and into the boat. Next need is
a self bailing or covered cockpit. I read that ballist is possible
to add. I assume that it would be appropriate for rougher water
use. The last thing that concerns me is the keel mechanism. Many
swing keel boats cant handle the pounding and rolling in rougher
water use.
Any input would be appreciated!
Joe
joined the group. Hello all!
I am looking for a boat that will handle seas. The covered front
deck and cabin is generally the first prerequisite. This limits
green water from coming over the bow and into the boat. Next need is
a self bailing or covered cockpit. I read that ballist is possible
to add. I assume that it would be appropriate for rougher water
use. The last thing that concerns me is the keel mechanism. Many
swing keel boats cant handle the pounding and rolling in rougher
water use.
Any input would be appreciated!
Joe
--- In bolger@y..., "rlspell2000" <richard@s...> wrote:
> Just got an email from from a fella interested in building a
> Chebacco. He asked "What is your oppinion for using the Chebacco
for
> bluewater day trips? I am seeking a design in its size range that
> can handle typical summer ocean conditions here. (Oregon, USA) 6-
8'
> swells and 2' seas."
>
>
> I have recommended he join this group and post his question here,
but
> I was wondering what you'all Chebacco owners thought she could
> handle? Jamie Orr had his Wayward Lass out in 5ft seas, and she
> seemed to deal with it without to many problems.
>
> Also, how common are 5ft seas? Or, whatever you think you Chebacco
> will handle? How often have you seen scary conditions, when, where?
>
> Thanks guys
Just got an email from from a fella interested in building a
Chebacco. He asked "What is your oppinion for using the Chebacco for
bluewater day trips? I am seeking a design in its size range that
can handle typical summer ocean conditions here. (Oregon, USA) 6-8'
swells and 2' seas."
I have recommended he join this group and post his question here, but
I was wondering what you'all Chebacco owners thought she could
handle? Jamie Orr had his Wayward Lass out in 5ft seas, and she
seemed to deal with it without to many problems.
Also, how common are 5ft seas? Or, whatever you think you Chebacco
will handle? How often have you seen scary conditions, when, where?
Thanks guys
Chebacco. He asked "What is your oppinion for using the Chebacco for
bluewater day trips? I am seeking a design in its size range that
can handle typical summer ocean conditions here. (Oregon, USA) 6-8'
swells and 2' seas."
I have recommended he join this group and post his question here, but
I was wondering what you'all Chebacco owners thought she could
handle? Jamie Orr had his Wayward Lass out in 5ft seas, and she
seemed to deal with it without to many problems.
Also, how common are 5ft seas? Or, whatever you think you Chebacco
will handle? How often have you seen scary conditions, when, where?
Thanks guys