[bolger] Tanton question
Hi folks, just a thought: perhaps Tanton was asked to do the different rig
shown, and the hull, slightly modified as it was, didn't get credited
properly? There
is no doubt that it is basically the same hull, though a little wider at the
stern, but not much, plus a little drop-board on the rudder.
There may be a story behind all this, so we should hear Tanton out, I
imagine.
As an aside, I remember buying a copy of some Trawler Yacht magazine
(Passagemaker?), and the boat on the cover was, to my eyes, definitely a Jay
Benford Florida Bay Coaster type. Yet it turned out to be another designer
who had most of the credit in the article. Just one little sentence early
on
mentioned Benford's boat as a starting point, then spoke of him no more. The
new designer had done a few modifications to the original, including hull
material, but nothing extreme. I was puzzled. The only link was Ruben Trane,
who has built Benford boats in the past of the same type, and also built
this one.
I don't know what Benford thought of this new boat, but it appeared to be
okay with him (or maybe not?). I still thought it odd, but it is evidently
not uncommon.
Tanton's design in question is alot closer to Bolger's, down to some fairly
minute details. Let's ask him what this is all about!
Alex Christie
shown, and the hull, slightly modified as it was, didn't get credited
properly? There
is no doubt that it is basically the same hull, though a little wider at the
stern, but not much, plus a little drop-board on the rudder.
There may be a story behind all this, so we should hear Tanton out, I
imagine.
As an aside, I remember buying a copy of some Trawler Yacht magazine
(Passagemaker?), and the boat on the cover was, to my eyes, definitely a Jay
Benford Florida Bay Coaster type. Yet it turned out to be another designer
who had most of the credit in the article. Just one little sentence early
on
mentioned Benford's boat as a starting point, then spoke of him no more. The
new designer had done a few modifications to the original, including hull
material, but nothing extreme. I was puzzled. The only link was Ruben Trane,
who has built Benford boats in the past of the same type, and also built
this one.
I don't know what Benford thought of this new boat, but it appeared to be
okay with him (or maybe not?). I still thought it odd, but it is evidently
not uncommon.
Tanton's design in question is alot closer to Bolger's, down to some fairly
minute details. Let's ask him what this is all about!
Alex Christie
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> 1599. Carlos Byars Re: Windsprint Progress
> 1600. Richard Re: Windsprint Progress
> 1601. Belenky, Peter Patrick O'Brian appreciation.
> 1602. david Re: Windsprint Progress
> 1603. Robert N. Lundy Re: Windsprint Progress
> 1604. Richard sharpie catamaran
> 1605. Fraser Howell cold weather epoxy
> 1606. tjfatchen@... Re: Windsprint Progress
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> 1608. Giuseppe 'Pippo' Bianco Epoxy: shelf life and cold weather
> 1609. Giuseppe 'Pippo' Bianco ...forgot to add
> 1610. Robert N. Lundy Re: cold weather epoxy
> 1611. Hwal@... Re: Martha Jane/Birdwatcher cross.
> 1612. peter lenihan cold cure epoxy
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> From: "Carlos Byars" <c_byars@...>
> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:58:00 CST
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> I hope you arranged for a temperature high enough, or used a fast hardner.
I
> used slow setting stuff that 6 weeks later is still is not cured. Since I
> can't scrape it off, I'm trashing those sheets and starting over. With
> another epoxy, to be sure. Far as I can tell, epoxy work is strictly a
> summer-time occupation.
> ______________________________________________________
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:08:15 -0600
> From: Richard <richard@...>
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> You can apply it in cold weather, but you need to use the proper hardener
and/or
> heat the work.
>
> I've put Raka on with fast hardener, and two days later it was still soft.
The
> instructions say "must be 50 degrees for 12 hours". I turned the heat up
in the
> shop overnight and all was well.
>
> Carlos Byars wrote:
>
> > I hope you arranged for a temperature high enough, or used a fast
hardner. I
> > used slow setting stuff that 6 weeks later is still is not cured. Since
I
> > can't scrape it off, I'm trashing those sheets and starting over. With
> > another epoxy, to be sure. Far as I can tell, epoxy work is strictly a
> > summer-time occupation.
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> From: "Belenky, Peter" <Peter.Belenky@...>
> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:41:02 -0500
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> A personal memoir of encounters with Patrick O'Brian by Washington Post
> reporter Ken Ringle, who wrote an article headlined "Is This the Greatest
> Writer You've Never Heard Of?" which introduced O'Brian to a wider
American
> public.
>
>
http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-01/08/089l-010800-idx.ht
> ml
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:55:21 -0800
> From: david <galvind@...>
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> Carlos:
> It has been my experience (limited to West System products, mostly, but
> chemistry is chemistry) that epoxy will set and cure, eventually. Either
you
> have to raise the ambient temperature in the workshop artificially or you
have
> to wait for Springtime to do it naturally. I discovered this during the
three
> year construction of a 22' Benford Gunkholer in a poorly heated, poorly
> insulated shop in the Catskill Mountains. Winter temps outside were
about -10 to
> 30 F (-24 to -1 C), and inside temps were seldom above 40 F (5 C). None
the
> less, the epoxy all went off, although it sometimes took weeks and the
resulting
> amine blush was like snow on a mountain. The construction delays were
great
> opportunities to hunker down by the fire and hibernate (vegetate?),
> david
>
> Carlos Byars wrote:
>
> > I hope you arranged for a temperature high enough, or used a fast
hardner. I
> > used slow setting stuff that 6 weeks later is still is not cured. Since
I
> > can't scrape it off, I'm trashing those sheets and starting over. With
> > another epoxy, to be sure. Far as I can tell, epoxy work is strictly a
> > summer-time occupation.
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> From: "Robert N. Lundy" <robert@...>
> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:42:12 -0500
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> Living in florida has advantages. Especially when it comes to epoxy. At
> the same time, the cure time for the stem/sternpost has been about twice
as
> long as for the other work I did in warmer weather, with only about a 15
> degree (72 degrees vs 87 degrees) difference in daily highs.
>
> For Carlos' and everone's benefit, has anyone tried any of the "cold"
> weather epoxies? some of these purport to cure at anything above 32
> degrees. Reports appreciated.
>
> Robert & Amy Lundy
> St. Petersburg, fla.
> robert@...
> amy@...
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Carlos Byars [mailto:c_byars@...]
> > Sent: January 10, 2000 9:58 AM
> > To: bolger@egroups.com
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: Windsprint Progress
> >
> >
> > I hope you arranged for a temperature high enough, or used a fast
> > hardner. I
> > used slow setting stuff that 6 weeks later is still is not cured. Since
I
> > can't scrape it off, I'm trashing those sheets and starting over. With
> > another epoxy, to be sure. Far as I can tell, epoxy work is strictly a
> > summer-time occupation.
> > ______________________________________________________
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > FreeLotto.com is the only internet site to offer three free chances
> > a day to win $1,000,000.00. We've already had two $1,000,000.00
> > jackpot winners and thousands of other cash prizes. You could be
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> >
> >
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:48:16 -0600
> From: Richard <richard@...>
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> Subject: [bolger] sharpie catamaran
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> Ran accross a picture of a Bolger designed 16' catamaran....
>
> The ones I know of are this 16 footer, the single handed one, and the
> auckland cat.
>
> Are there more? Anybody built one? Any sailing reports?
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:14:10 -0400
> From: fraser.howell@... (Fraser Howell)
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> The temperature here in Halifax has been a few degrees either side of
> freezing. I am making a mast for my chebacco, using the "birdsmouth"
> cutout technique recently described in WOODENBOAT. All joints are with
> "cold cure" epoxy. The epoxy joints are set up and workable with edge
> tools in 72 hr, but probably take a couple of weeks to reach total cure.
> The plus side is the long working life of a pot of mixed epoxy. It took
> me about two hours, working by myself, to apply the glue, and get the
> strakes lined up and clamped. The stuff is made by Industrial
> Formulators of Canada Ltd., and it is fairly expensive.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------ message 1606 ------------------------------
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> From: tjfatchen@...
> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:40:06 -93000
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> BO>For Carlos' and everone's benefit, has anyone tried any of the "cold"
> BO>weather epoxies? some of these purport to cure at anything above 32
> BO>degrees. Reports appreciated.
>
> BO>Robert & Amy Lundy
>
> As this product is unavailable in the US (only its imitators :-) this is
> perhaps not a great deal of help -- however, BoteCote epoxy using its
> fast hardener cures in a period of about a day with temperatures below
> 40F tho' not below the magic 32F (our little mountain is a cold hole in
> winter). WEST system or system three must surely carry an equivalent.
>
> Flip side is that it goes off in half an hour in the height of summer...
>
> Tim & Flying Tadpole
>
>
>
>
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> From: "Ryan, Larry" <ryanld@...>
> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:16:11 -0500
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> Please remove my name from the distribution list. Thanks.
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:02:26 -0800
> From: "Giuseppe 'Pippo' Bianco" <pippobianco@...>
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> Subject: [bolger] Epoxy: shelf life and cold weather
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> Hi all - yesterday I used again my epoxy, more than 2 years old. It
> worked without any problem. Another good surprise was that, in spite of
> the low temperature in my garage (10 degs C), it set up tack free in 24
> hours. The only "tricks" I used was to worm up the plywood and the
> resin before mixing. Now I have my two test butt joints (one is a
> classical ply butt, the other is the Carnell/Payson fiberglass splice)
> in my apartment to allow for full cure before breaking them...
> Regarding the FG splice, well, it's much simpler than I expected, and
> the finish is almost perfect already...
> Keep in touch
>
> Pippo
>
>
>
> ------------------------------ message 1609 ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:09:06 -0800
> From: "Giuseppe 'Pippo' Bianco" <pippobianco@...>
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> Hi again - I forgot to add that my epoxy is a no-brand one. It's made
> by an Italian company (no web site), and costs, say, about 1/6th w.r.t.
> to famous Italian or foreign brands. It mixes with a 3:1 ratio (in
> weight) and has a long pot life (even in summer it remains workable for
> 30 minutes). It's very fluid because it's specifically designed for
> ambient temperature use on wood.
> Best, Pippo
>
>
>
> ------------------------------ message 1610 ------------------------------
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>
> From: "Robert N. Lundy" <robert@...>
> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:49:01 -0500
> In-reply-to: <387A59B2.5996D93F@...>
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> Hi Fraser, thanks for the input. Especially the part about pot life and
> birds mouth spar making. As I start to contemplate my Windsprint mast,
this
> info will be handy, as I had planned to use the birds mouth method as
well.
> I know I can get 45 minutes of pot life out of the stuff I'm using and
> Windsprint's mast is smaller (16') but not that much less work.
>
> Why the replacement for your current Chebacco mast? Just going for
> lightness or did you have a failure?
>
> Robert & Amy Lundy
> St. Petersburg, fla.
> robert@...
> amy@...
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fraser Howell [mailto:fraser.howell@...]
> > Sent: January 10, 2000 5:14 PM
> > To: bolger@egroups.com
> > Subject: [bolger] cold weather epoxy
> >
> >
> > The temperature here in Halifax has been a few degrees either side of
> > freezing. I am making a mast for my chebacco, using the "birdsmouth"
> > cutout technique recently described in WOODENBOAT. All joints are with
> > "cold cure" epoxy. The epoxy joints are set up and workable with edge
> > tools in 72 hr, but probably take a couple of weeks to reach total cure.
> > The plus side is the long working life of a pot of mixed epoxy. It took
> > me about two hours, working by myself, to apply the glue, and get the
> > strakes lined up and clamped. The stuff is made by Industrial
> > Formulators of Canada Ltd., and it is fairly expensive.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > FreeLotto.com is the only internet site to offer three free chances
> > a day to win $1,000,000.00. We've already had two $1,000,000.00
> > jackpot winners and thousands of other cash prizes. You could be
> > a $1,000,000.00 winner tonight!
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> From: Hwal@...
> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:26:37 EST
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> Subject: [bolger] Re: Martha Jane/Birdwatcher cross.
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> In a message dated 1/9/2000 6:09:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pcb@...
> writes:
>
> << In a little while there will be a comprehensive upgrade of MARTHA JANE
> covering
> new leeboard geometry, rudder alternative, and 'house'.
> >>
>
> Being just about done with my martha jane - I'm wondering if any of these
> upgrades - the leeboards in particular - will be able to be adapted for
> existing martha janes?? Steve Anderson
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:06:02 -0800
> From: "peter lenihan" <widsith@...>
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> To Fraser and co.,
> Cold Cure epoxy is indeed great stuff for when things get a bit
> nippy outside especially for us Canucks!Industrial Formulators of
> Canada was recently purchased by the folks at System Three Epoxies and
> I have been assured that the product line will not be changed!I now
> pray nightly that the only change will be a lowering of the price of
> their excellent products!
> Regards,
> Peter L.
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 01:02:22 -0800
> From: "peter lenihan" <widsith@...>
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> Subject: [bolger] as 29
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> I am not sure what is going on here but I would invite one and all to
> take a look at the following sight(www.tantonyachts.com) and go to the
> designs section.Once there,look at design number 980.Now,unless I have
> missed something during the Y2K partying,this is a AS 29.Perhaps
> Mr.Bolger should be informed of this especially as he appears to have
> been"ripped off"in the past with alot of his copyrighted work.
> At any rate,I sure would like to here an explaination for this apparent
> copy of the venerable AS 29.
> Regards,
> Peter L.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------ message 1614 ------------------------------
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> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:43:11 -0600
> From: Richard <richard@...>
> References: <85eriu$odk8@...>
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> http://www.tantonyachts.com/images10.htm#No. 980
> Sure looks like one to me.
>
> peter lenihan wrote:
>
> > I am not sure what is going on here but I would invite one and all to
> > take a look at the following sight(www.tantonyachts.com) and go to the
> > designs section.Once there,look at design number 980.Now,unless I have
> > missed something during the Y2K partying,this is a AS 29.Perhaps
> > Mr.Bolger should be informed of this especially as he appears to have
> > been"ripped off"in the past with alot of his copyrighted work.
> > At any rate,I sure would like to here an explaination for this apparent
> > copy of the venerable AS 29.
> > Regards,
> > Peter L.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
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> >
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HREF="http://www.tantonyachts.com/images10.htm#No">http://www.tantonyachts.c
om/images10.htm#No</A>. 980
> <br>Sure looks like one to me.
> <p>peter lenihan wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I am not sure what is going on here but I would
invite
> one and all to
> <br>take a look at the following sight(www.tantonyachts.com) and go to
> the
> <br>designs section.Once there,look at design number 980.Now,unless I have
> <br>missed something during the Y2K partying,this is a AS 29.Perhaps
> <br>Mr.Bolger should be informed of this especially as he appears to have
> <br>been"ripped off"in the past with alot of his copyrighted work.
> <br>At any rate,I sure would like to here an explaination for this
apparent
> <br>copy of the venerable AS 29.
>
<br>
&nbs
p; &n
bsp;
> Regards,
>
<br>
&nbs
p; &n
bsp;
> Peter L.
>
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> From: tjfatchen@...
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 01:16:00 -93000
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> BO>I am not sure what is going on here but I would invite one and all to
> BO>take a look at the following sight(www.tantonyachts.com) and go to the
> BO>designs section.Once there,look at design number 980.Now,unless I have
> BO>missed something during the Y2K partying,this is a AS 29.Perhaps
> BO>Mr.Bolger should be informed of this especially as he appears to have
> BO>been"ripped off"in the past with alot of his copyrighted work.
> BO>At any rate,I sure would like to here an explaination for this apparent
> BO>copy of the venerable AS 29.
> BO> Regards,
> BO> Peter L.
> You're dead right Peter. The only differences are the rig, the extended
> bow (to a point) and the slightly extended dog-house. From their
> diagram, there are even the same number of shelves next to the head, the
> cockpit has exactly the same slope (I know, cos mine was built without
> it, grrr), double berth's the same shape, identical bulkheads etc etc.
>
> Tim & Lady Kate
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:47:09 -0600
> From: Richard <richard@...>
> References: <85eriu$odk8@...>
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> http://www.tantonyachts.com/images10.htm
>
>
> Richard wrote:
>
> > http://www.tantonyachts.com/images10.htm#No. 980
> > Sure looks like one to me.
> >
> > peter lenihan wrote:
> >
> >> I am not sure what is going on here but I would invite one and all
> >> to
> >> take a look at the following sight(www.tantonyachts.com) and go to
> >> the
> >> designs section.Once there,look at design number 980.Now,unless I
> >> have
> >> missed something during the Y2K partying,this is a AS 29.Perhaps
> >> Mr.Bolger should be informed of this especially as he appears to
> >> have
> >> been"ripped off"in the past with alot of his copyrighted work.
> >> At any rate,I sure would like to here an explaination for this
> >> apparent
> >> copy of the venerable AS 29.
> >> Regards,
> >> Peter L.
> >>
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> <br>
> <p>Richard wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE><a
href="http://www.tantonyachts.com/images10.htm#No">http://www.tantonyachts.c
om/images10.htm#No</a>.
> 980
> <br>Sure looks like one to me.
> <p>peter lenihan wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I am not sure what is going on here but I would
invite
> one and all to
> <br>take a look at the following sight(www.tantonyachts.com) and go to
> the
> <br>designs section.Once there,look at design number 980.Now,unless I have
> <br>missed something during the Y2K partying,this is a AS 29.Perhaps
> <br>Mr.Bolger should be informed of this especially as he appears to have
> <br>been"ripped off"in the past with alot of his copyrighted work.
> <br>At any rate,I sure would like to here an explaination for this
apparent
> <br>copy of the venerable AS 29.
>
<br>
&nbs
p; &n
bsp;
> Regards,
>
<br>
&nbs
p; &n
bsp;
> Peter L.
>
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> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:47:28 -0600
> From: Richard <richard@...>
> References: <85eriu$odk8@...>
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>
> Richard wrote:
>
> > http://www.tantonyachts.com/images10.htm#No. 980
> > Sure looks like one to me.
> >
> > peter lenihan wrote:
> >
> >> I am not sure what is going on here but I would invite one and all
> >> to
> >> take a look at the following sight(www.tantonyachts.com) and go to
> >> the
> >> designs section.Once there,look at design number 980.Now,unless I
> >> have
> >> missed something during the Y2K partying,this is a AS 29.Perhaps
> >> Mr.Bolger should be informed of this especially as he appears to
> >> have
> >> been"ripped off"in the past with alot of his copyrighted work.
> >> At any rate,I sure would like to here an explaination for this
> >> apparent
> >> copy of the venerable AS 29.
> >> Regards,
> >> Peter L.
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> ---------------
> >> FreeLotto.com is the only internet site to offer three free chances
> >>
> >> a day to win $1,000,000.00. We've already had two $1,000,000.00
> >>
> >> jackpot winners and thousands of other cash prizes. You could be
> >>
> >> a $1,000,000.00 winner tonight!
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> <br>
> <p>Richard wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE><a
href="http://www.tantonyachts.com/images10.htm#No">http://www.tantonyachts.c
om/images10.htm#No</a>.
> 980
> <br>Sure looks like one to me.
> <p>peter lenihan wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I am not sure what is going on here but I would
invite
> one and all to
> <br>take a look at the following sight(www.tantonyachts.com) and go to
> the
> <br>designs section.Once there,look at design number 980.Now,unless I have
> <br>missed something during the Y2K partying,this is a AS 29.Perhaps
> <br>Mr.Bolger should be informed of this especially as he appears to have
> <br>been"ripped off"in the past with alot of his copyrighted work.
> <br>At any rate,I sure would like to here an explaination for this
apparent
> <br>copy of the venerable AS 29.
>
<br>
&nbs
p; &n
bsp;
> Regards,
>
<br>
&nbs
p; &n
bsp;
> Peter L.
>
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> ------------------------------ message 1618 ------------------------------
> http://www.eGroups.com/list/bolger/?start=1618
>
> From: "Chuck Merrell" <chuckmerrell@...>
> References: <85eriu$odk8@...>
> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:25:49 -0800
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> Subject: [bolger] Re: as 29
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> Peter,
>
> Lemme do a little tidying up here for a minute . . .
>
> Yves Marie is NOT "ripping" Bolger off any more than two designers who do
> America's Cup boats or IOR designs can be accused of "ripping" each other
> off just because the boats have a similar look. I've known Yves for
thirty
> years. He's about as legit as you can get and probably has about twice
the
> design practice that Phil Bolger has. Bottom line, he doesn't need to rip
> anyone off, least of all Phil.
>
> What the story is about Tanton's similar looking boat (to the AS29) I
don't
> know, but you might want to email Yves Marie himself and ask him before
> accusing him of plagiarism. He'll tell you, I'm sure. He's a nice,
> forthcoming guy, and one of the better designers working these days.
>
> If you're on a scavenger hunt for smoking guns and similar designs, you
> might want to review Jim Michalak's catalog and web site and report back
to
> the list what you find there.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
> ***********************************
> CHUCK MERRELL
> MERRELL WATERCRAFT
> P. O. Box 80264
> Seattle, WA 98108-0264
> (206) 764-1298
> Email: chuck@...
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> **********************************
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter lenihan" <widsith@...>
> To: <bolger@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 1:02 AM
> Subject: [bolger] as 29
>
>
> > I am not sure what is going on here but I would invite one and all to
> > take a look at the following sight(www.tantonyachts.com) and go to the
> > designs section.Once there,look at design number 980.Now,unless I have
> > missed something during the Y2K partying,this is a AS 29.Perhaps
> > Mr.Bolger should be informed of this especially as he appears to have
> > been"ripped off"in the past with alot of his copyrighted work.
> > At any rate,I sure would like to here an explaination for this apparent
> > copy of the venerable AS 29.
> > Regards,
> > Peter L.
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------ message 1619 ------------------------------
> http://www.eGroups.com/list/bolger/?start=1619
>
> From: tjfatchen@...
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 02:02:16 -93000
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> Subject: [bolger] Re: as 29
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> BO>Lemme do a little tidying up here for a minute . . .
>
> BO>Yves Marie is NOT "ripping" Bolger off any more than two designers who
do
> BO>America's Cup boats or IOR designs can be accused of "ripping" each
other
> BO>off just because the boats have a similar look.
>
> Chuck, in defence of Peter, the study plans appear to go beyond similar
> looks to major concordance in details. Michalak's boats on the other
> hand have a similar look'n'feel, but are clearly their own boats. I
> don't know the person but on the face of it the two designs are so
> similar that Peter's query would seem entirely justifiable.
>
> Tim Fatchen
>
>
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