Re: Surf Sailboat
Thanks for the information on the Surf sailboat. I was pleased to
hear that it rows well and could be paddled when necessary. However,
since sailing will be my primary use of Surf and you indicate that
it "sails faster than you would think" I was wondering how it
compares to other sailboats in overall speed. I'm not looking for a
rocket, but it would be nice to have a cartoppable boat the could
keep up or at least almost keep up with most of the other boats on
the lake. For example, how does it perform compared to a sunfish or
similar type sailboat. I was also wondering what is the purpose of
the board that sticks out from the bow of Surf. Is it functional or
just for looks. Thanks. Ray
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- In bolger@y..., "guitargrin" <guitargrin@a...> wrote:
hear that it rows well and could be paddled when necessary. However,
since sailing will be my primary use of Surf and you indicate that
it "sails faster than you would think" I was wondering how it
compares to other sailboats in overall speed. I'm not looking for a
rocket, but it would be nice to have a cartoppable boat the could
keep up or at least almost keep up with most of the other boats on
the lake. For example, how does it perform compared to a sunfish or
similar type sailboat. I was also wondering what is the purpose of
the board that sticks out from the bow of Surf. Is it functional or
just for looks. Thanks. Ray
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- In bolger@y..., "guitargrin" <guitargrin@a...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., "rwsiren" <rworob@h...> wrote:of
> > With the exception of the Bolger Files which show some pictures
> > Surf under construction and under sail, I haven't been able tofind
> > much info from people that have built and sailed it. If anyonehas
> > info on its sailing performance or know of any websites etc. thatif
> > might show other pictures of it and discuss it's construction and
> > performance, I would appreciate any info you can provide. Also,
> > anyone who has built one would like to provide an e-mail addressso
> > that I could discuss it with them, I would appreciate that also.it.
> > Thanks. Ray
>
> Hello Ray,
> I built Surf four years ago, and have spent many happy hours in
> The boat keeps growing on me, both in looks and performance. Iit
> transport it on top of my car, which requires two people to hoist
> up. Following are some key points about the boat:a
> 1) It sails great!!..faster than you'd think, and the simple sail
> rigging is easy and fast to set up.
> 2) I don't know how you would reef the sail, though I've never felt
> need to do it.times,..the
> 3)Definitly beef up the lee board. I've broken mine three
> first time within seconds of hoisting sail. Make it an inch thick!to
> I've also been tempted to beef up the prongs which hold the board
> the boat,..but I'd rather have them crack, than to do damage to theresult.
> center frame.
> 4)It's very easy to build. I had no experience with boat building,
> and very little experience with basic carpentry. The boat took me
> 110 hours to build,..and I'm an idiot!!(I bet twenty five of those
> hours could have been described as "staring blankly into space").
> However the project proceeded fast enough to be very
> satisfying,..with each work session producing a very noticable
> Please note that the building time included many hours running outto
> local hardware stores,..to stand in the wrong aisle staring intotrip.
> space.
> 5) Surf cost me $175.00 to build, though some of lumber came from
> material that I'd had laying around.
> 6) I've taken up to two other people camping in her, (including
> camping gear of course), but she's really only suited to taking two
> people with gear, or up to three, (maybe four) people for a day
> 7) She rows very easily, though she wanders a little in a wind.satisfying
> 8) You can stand up in her with care.
> 9) I've never flipped her.
> And finally, a quick story:
> The last time I had her out, she broke both her leeboard and her
> rudder. The dock was two miles north, and I had a southeast wind.
> With two bungee cords, I lashed an oar side to side to the rear set
> of oarlocks, then with a third bungee cord, I lashed the second oar
> to the first. Within about three minutes I had a working steering
> oar. It worked beautifully, and I ghosted home in a most
> way,..what a blast!!
> By all means, build surf, you'll love it!!
--- In bolger@y..., "rwsiren" <rworob@h...> wrote:
I built Surf four years ago, and have spent many happy hours in it.
The boat keeps growing on me, both in looks and performance. I
transport it on top of my car, which requires two people to hoist it
up. Following are some key points about the boat:
1) It sails great!!..faster than you'd think, and the simple sail
rigging is easy and fast to set up.
2) I don't know how you would reef the sail, though I've never felt a
need to do it.
3)Definitly beef up the lee board. I've broken mine three times,..the
first time within seconds of hoisting sail. Make it an inch thick!
I've also been tempted to beef up the prongs which hold the board to
the boat,..but I'd rather have them crack, than to do damage to the
center frame.
4)It's very easy to build. I had no experience with boat building,
and very little experience with basic carpentry. The boat took me
110 hours to build,..and I'm an idiot!!(I bet twenty five of those
hours could have been described as "staring blankly into space").
However the project proceeded fast enough to be very
satisfying,..with each work session producing a very noticable result.
Please note that the building time included many hours running out to
local hardware stores,..to stand in the wrong aisle staring into
space.
5) Surf cost me $175.00 to build, though some of lumber came from
material that I'd had laying around.
6) I've taken up to two other people camping in her, (including
camping gear of course), but she's really only suited to taking two
people with gear, or up to three, (maybe four) people for a day trip.
7) She rows very easily, though she wanders a little in a wind.
8) You can stand up in her with care.
9) I've never flipped her.
And finally, a quick story:
The last time I had her out, she broke both her leeboard and her
rudder. The dock was two miles north, and I had a southeast wind.
With two bungee cords, I lashed an oar side to side to the rear set
of oarlocks, then with a third bungee cord, I lashed the second oar
to the first. Within about three minutes I had a working steering
oar. It worked beautifully, and I ghosted home in a most satisfying
way,..what a blast!!
By all means, build surf, you'll love it!!
> With the exception of the Bolger Files which show some pictures ofHello Ray,
> Surf under construction and under sail, I haven't been able to find
> much info from people that have built and sailed it. If anyone has
> info on its sailing performance or know of any websites etc. that
> might show other pictures of it and discuss it's construction and
> performance, I would appreciate any info you can provide. Also, if
> anyone who has built one would like to provide an e-mail address so
> that I could discuss it with them, I would appreciate that also.
> Thanks. Ray
I built Surf four years ago, and have spent many happy hours in it.
The boat keeps growing on me, both in looks and performance. I
transport it on top of my car, which requires two people to hoist it
up. Following are some key points about the boat:
1) It sails great!!..faster than you'd think, and the simple sail
rigging is easy and fast to set up.
2) I don't know how you would reef the sail, though I've never felt a
need to do it.
3)Definitly beef up the lee board. I've broken mine three times,..the
first time within seconds of hoisting sail. Make it an inch thick!
I've also been tempted to beef up the prongs which hold the board to
the boat,..but I'd rather have them crack, than to do damage to the
center frame.
4)It's very easy to build. I had no experience with boat building,
and very little experience with basic carpentry. The boat took me
110 hours to build,..and I'm an idiot!!(I bet twenty five of those
hours could have been described as "staring blankly into space").
However the project proceeded fast enough to be very
satisfying,..with each work session producing a very noticable result.
Please note that the building time included many hours running out to
local hardware stores,..to stand in the wrong aisle staring into
space.
5) Surf cost me $175.00 to build, though some of lumber came from
material that I'd had laying around.
6) I've taken up to two other people camping in her, (including
camping gear of course), but she's really only suited to taking two
people with gear, or up to three, (maybe four) people for a day trip.
7) She rows very easily, though she wanders a little in a wind.
8) You can stand up in her with care.
9) I've never flipped her.
And finally, a quick story:
The last time I had her out, she broke both her leeboard and her
rudder. The dock was two miles north, and I had a southeast wind.
With two bungee cords, I lashed an oar side to side to the rear set
of oarlocks, then with a third bungee cord, I lashed the second oar
to the first. Within about three minutes I had a working steering
oar. It worked beautifully, and I ghosted home in a most satisfying
way,..what a blast!!
By all means, build surf, you'll love it!!
Ray, the Surf rows very nicely, skimming along the surface with a bit
of wave slap against the flat bottom at the bow. Compared to my
Tender Craft (also seen in one of the albums at PhotoWorks) you can
get to speed almost effortlessly and maintain it without pulling a
muscle. On the other hand, the Surf is pretty light and I'd rather be
rowing the Tender Craft in any kind of a blow.
The flat, rockered hull form of the Surf is somewhat reminiscent of a
nice skipping stone, and as a result the Surf will quickly spin on
its belly if you don't pay attention to your rowing. A skeg could be
added for directional stability but I suspect that it could prove
counter-productive under sail. I suspect that what would be better is
a rudder tied in line and drawing a few inches of water when in the
flip-up position. I plan to get going on just such as soon as
some 'home priorities' are taken care of.
You mentioned paddling. I'd almost forgotten that on one of my first
outings in SAMA-J I rowed to a nearby creek and then paddled up it,
looking for spawning salmon. The Surf was great -- in either
direction. To all intents and purposes it is double-ended -- a bit
like a pirogue, only wider. I sat on the aft passenger seat (my
addition to the plans) or on either deck and J-stroked away just like
in my 'glass canoe.
I'll report on sailing as soon as I can.
John
P.S. This was my first boat so I'm no expert, but contact me if you
want info on my construction that you can't glean from the photos and
captions.
of wave slap against the flat bottom at the bow. Compared to my
Tender Craft (also seen in one of the albums at PhotoWorks) you can
get to speed almost effortlessly and maintain it without pulling a
muscle. On the other hand, the Surf is pretty light and I'd rather be
rowing the Tender Craft in any kind of a blow.
The flat, rockered hull form of the Surf is somewhat reminiscent of a
nice skipping stone, and as a result the Surf will quickly spin on
its belly if you don't pay attention to your rowing. A skeg could be
added for directional stability but I suspect that it could prove
counter-productive under sail. I suspect that what would be better is
a rudder tied in line and drawing a few inches of water when in the
flip-up position. I plan to get going on just such as soon as
some 'home priorities' are taken care of.
You mentioned paddling. I'd almost forgotten that on one of my first
outings in SAMA-J I rowed to a nearby creek and then paddled up it,
looking for spawning salmon. The Surf was great -- in either
direction. To all intents and purposes it is double-ended -- a bit
like a pirogue, only wider. I sat on the aft passenger seat (my
addition to the plans) or on either deck and J-stroked away just like
in my 'glass canoe.
I'll report on sailing as soon as I can.
John
P.S. This was my first boat so I'm no expert, but contact me if you
want info on my construction that you can't glean from the photos and
captions.
John. Thanks for the photos. It looks like you did a great job on your Surf.
If you ever get to sail it, I would like to know how it performs. Also, I
wouldn't mind knowing how it rows or paddles in the event the wind dies
after I get a couple of miles out and have to row or paddle back.
Although I had already seen Dynamite's info on Surf, thanks anyway Bruce for
trying to provide some info.
Any other photos or sailing performance info is still welcome. Ray
Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger:http://messenger.msn.com
If you ever get to sail it, I would like to know how it performs. Also, I
wouldn't mind knowing how it rows or paddles in the event the wind dies
after I get a couple of miles out and have to row or paddle back.
Although I had already seen Dynamite's info on Surf, thanks anyway Bruce for
trying to provide some info.
Any other photos or sailing performance info is still welcome. Ray
>From: "vicskiff" <john.ewing@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Re: Surf Sailboat
>Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 04:37:44 -0000
>
>Ray,
>
>To view photos of my Surf under construction last summer, click on:
>http://photomail.photoworks.com/sharing/album.asp?Key=1325162883420204
>
>For a couple shots of it in the water, click on:
>http://photomail.photoworks.com/sharing/album.asp?Key=9023132853400904
>
>Sorry, but I cannot report on sailing Surf as yet.
>
>John
>
>--- In bolger@y..., "rwsiren" <rworob@h...> wrote:
> > With the exception of the Bolger Files which show some pictures of
> > Surf under construction and under sail, I haven't been able to find
> > much info from people that have built and sailed it. If anyone has
> > info on its sailing performance or know of any websites etc. that
> > might show other pictures of it and discuss it's construction and
> > performance, I would appreciate any info you can provide. Also, if
> > anyone who has built one would like to provide an e-mail address so
> > that I could discuss it with them, I would appreciate that also.
> > Thanks. Ray
>
Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger:http://messenger.msn.com
I have a teal (wish it was a surf)
Never sailed a surf, but I've sailed lots and lots of dinghies. The
teal is a good little boat. Can't imagine the surf would be anything
but better
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Never sailed a surf, but I've sailed lots and lots of dinghies. The
teal is a good little boat. Can't imagine the surf would be anything
but better
>--- In bolger@y..., "rwsiren" <rworob@h...> wrote:C.E.P.
>> might show other pictures of it and discuss it's construction and
>
>Dynamite Payson writes about Surf in his book "Instant Boats" but you
>have already probably seen this...
>
>http://www.instantboats.com/ib.htm
>
>
>
>
>
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--- In bolger@y..., "rwsiren" <rworob@h...> wrote:
have already probably seen this...
http://www.instantboats.com/ib.htm
> might show other pictures of it and discuss it's construction andDynamite Payson writes about Surf in his book "Instant Boats" but you
have already probably seen this...
http://www.instantboats.com/ib.htm
Ray,
To view photos of my Surf under construction last summer, click on:
http://photomail.photoworks.com/sharing/album.asp?Key=1325162883420204
For a couple shots of it in the water, click on:
http://photomail.photoworks.com/sharing/album.asp?Key=9023132853400904
Sorry, but I cannot report on sailing Surf as yet.
John
To view photos of my Surf under construction last summer, click on:
http://photomail.photoworks.com/sharing/album.asp?Key=1325162883420204
For a couple shots of it in the water, click on:
http://photomail.photoworks.com/sharing/album.asp?Key=9023132853400904
Sorry, but I cannot report on sailing Surf as yet.
John
--- In bolger@y..., "rwsiren" <rworob@h...> wrote:
> With the exception of the Bolger Files which show some pictures of
> Surf under construction and under sail, I haven't been able to find
> much info from people that have built and sailed it. If anyone has
> info on its sailing performance or know of any websites etc. that
> might show other pictures of it and discuss it's construction and
> performance, I would appreciate any info you can provide. Also, if
> anyone who has built one would like to provide an e-mail address so
> that I could discuss it with them, I would appreciate that also.
> Thanks. Ray
With the exception of the Bolger Files which show some pictures of
Surf under construction and under sail, I haven't been able to find
much info from people that have built and sailed it. If anyone has
info on its sailing performance or know of any websites etc. that
might show other pictures of it and discuss it's construction and
performance, I would appreciate any info you can provide. Also, if
anyone who has built one would like to provide an e-mail address so
that I could discuss it with them, I would appreciate that also.
Thanks. Ray
Surf under construction and under sail, I haven't been able to find
much info from people that have built and sailed it. If anyone has
info on its sailing performance or know of any websites etc. that
might show other pictures of it and discuss it's construction and
performance, I would appreciate any info you can provide. Also, if
anyone who has built one would like to provide an e-mail address so
that I could discuss it with them, I would appreciate that also.
Thanks. Ray