[bolger] Re: Sorry.....
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With another hat on, I've made some replicas of ancient musical
instruments.
Here the argument goes the other way. The maker of a modern replica
always
wants to have it recognised as an authentic copy, but detractors inform
him/her that it's not a proper copy (despite best efforts) but merely
'after
the style of'.
the landscape and there are, for example, Fender Stratocaster copies
which are far nicer instruments than the Fenders made in the same year.
Fender and Gibson both are notorious for having been run by large
corporations who gave not a hoot for quality at different points in the
past 50 years.
It is true, though, that certain features were patentable (the
contoured Startocaster body was, and was not 'cloned' until the patents
expired) and finally it seems that the headstock shape for both Gibson
and Fender were ruled to be trademarks.
Hence the appearance of "lawsuit" Strats and Les Pauls, which were true
clones, and which were lawyered off the market. But you can make and
sell a Stratocaster clone with a *different* headstock no problem, if
you want to.
I also bought, years ago in high school, a Yamaha FG75 folk guitar from
a friend and it was not until years later, playing an antique Martin
acoustic guitar, that I realized the Yamaha was an exact clone of that
1940s Martin model.
With another hat on, I've made some replicas of ancient musical
instruments.
Here the argument goes the other way. The maker of a modern replica
always
wants to have it recognised as an authentic copy, but detractors inform
him/her that it's not a proper copy (despite best efforts) but merely
'after
the style of'.
>>And in the world of electric guitars, "clones" are accepted as part of
the landscape and there are, for example, Fender Stratocaster copies
which are far nicer instruments than the Fenders made in the same year.
Fender and Gibson both are notorious for having been run by large
corporations who gave not a hoot for quality at different points in the
past 50 years.
It is true, though, that certain features were patentable (the
contoured Startocaster body was, and was not 'cloned' until the patents
expired) and finally it seems that the headstock shape for both Gibson
and Fender were ruled to be trademarks.
Hence the appearance of "lawsuit" Strats and Les Pauls, which were true
clones, and which were lawyered off the market. But you can make and
sell a Stratocaster clone with a *different* headstock no problem, if
you want to.
I also bought, years ago in high school, a Yamaha FG75 folk guitar from
a friend and it was not until years later, playing an antique Martin
acoustic guitar, that I realized the Yamaha was an exact clone of that
1940s Martin model.
Ditto on no apology necessary. Lively discussions are what make listserves fun... plus the suspence of never knowing when you might accidently create a monster ;-)
jeb
jeb
Peter,
Please don't apologise. It's as well to have these matters aired, just so
we know where the boundaries between 'copying', and 'after the style of'
lie.
With another hat on, I've made some replicas of ancient musical instruments.
Here the argument goes the other way. The maker of a modern replica always
wants to have it recognised as an authentic copy, but detractors inform
him/her that it's not a proper copy (despite best efforts) but merely 'after
the style of'.
Difficult to get this right, either way . . .
Bill
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-----Original Message-----
From: peter lenihan <widsith@...>
To:bolger@...<bolger@...>
Date: 13 January 2000 17:53
Subject: [bolger] Sorry.....
Please don't apologise. It's as well to have these matters aired, just so
we know where the boundaries between 'copying', and 'after the style of'
lie.
With another hat on, I've made some replicas of ancient musical instruments.
Here the argument goes the other way. The maker of a modern replica always
wants to have it recognised as an authentic copy, but detractors inform
him/her that it's not a proper copy (despite best efforts) but merely 'after
the style of'.
Difficult to get this right, either way . . .
Bill
--bill.samson@...
Chebacco News can be viewed on:
http://members.xoom.com/billsamson
-----Original Message-----
From: peter lenihan <widsith@...>
To:bolger@...<bolger@...>
Date: 13 January 2000 17:53
Subject: [bolger] Sorry.....
>To all who took offense about my simple query regarding the presence of
>what I took to be a dead-ringer for the AS-29,I apologize.I am not a
>boat designer nor a lawyer and never intended or wished harm to
>anyone's professional reputation,implied or otherwise.I
>have,however,read Mr.Bolger express in writing here and
>elsewhere(M.A.I.B?) his sincere concern regarding lost revenues(not to
>mention the harming of ones hard earned reputation) from the
>inconsiderate actions of individuals or companies who have been perhaps
>a wee bit too elastic with their morals and thus have taken certain
>"unauthorized" liberties with anothers property,while turning a profit.
>I have only very recently"discovered" this web site devoted to all
>things relating to Mr.Bolgers work and thought it appropriate,consideri
>ng the audience,to pose my question to those most familiar with his
>designs.
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan
> Montreal,Quebec
>
>
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To all who took offense about my simple query regarding the presence of
what I took to be a dead-ringer for the AS-29,I apologize.I am not a
boat designer nor a lawyer and never intended or wished harm to
anyone's professional reputation,implied or otherwise.I
have,however,read Mr.Bolger express in writing here and
elsewhere(M.A.I.B?) his sincere concern regarding lost revenues(not to
mention the harming of ones hard earned reputation) from the
inconsiderate actions of individuals or companies who have been perhaps
a wee bit too elastic with their morals and thus have taken certain
"unauthorized" liberties with anothers property,while turning a profit.
I have only very recently"discovered" this web site devoted to all
things relating to Mr.Bolgers work and thought it appropriate,consideri
ng the audience,to pose my question to those most familiar with his
designs.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
Montreal,Quebec
what I took to be a dead-ringer for the AS-29,I apologize.I am not a
boat designer nor a lawyer and never intended or wished harm to
anyone's professional reputation,implied or otherwise.I
have,however,read Mr.Bolger express in writing here and
elsewhere(M.A.I.B?) his sincere concern regarding lost revenues(not to
mention the harming of ones hard earned reputation) from the
inconsiderate actions of individuals or companies who have been perhaps
a wee bit too elastic with their morals and thus have taken certain
"unauthorized" liberties with anothers property,while turning a profit.
I have only very recently"discovered" this web site devoted to all
things relating to Mr.Bolgers work and thought it appropriate,consideri
ng the audience,to pose my question to those most familiar with his
designs.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
Montreal,Quebec