Re: [bolger] A River Cruiser? (was SuperL'Ark?)
>The alternative suggested by Phil and Susanne was surprisingI had started to think the BDS sans sailing gear might be just the
>and most appropriate: Wm. D. Jochems, sans her sailing gear!
thing to get me and my family out on Gardener's Bay a few weeks a
year. The next thing I knew, I was dreaming of building a Wyoming!
YIBB,
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Agreed! A most intriguing design. (Thanks for scanning it in.)
I faxed a letter to PCB&F this morning asking for suggestions on
a economical design for weekend cruises on the Potomac
under power with a family of four. Tennessee and the "canal
cruiser" were among the possibilities I mentioned.
The alternative suggested by Phil and Susanne was surprising
and most appropriate: Wm. D. Jochems, sans her sailing gear!
The suggested modifications are modest: eliminate the rig,
leeboards, billet head, and rudder; move the outboard to the
center; extend the cockpit seats aft; and add a cockpit awning
with standing headroom. They would keep the water ballast,
making her capable of crossing the Chesapeake Bay.
As for performance: a 9.9 HP 4-stroke outboard will power the
original Jochems at 7 knots into a strong breeze, and Judge
Jochems reports 13 mpg at reduced throttle.
A splendid idea. The only "objection" I can think of thus far is the
usual chorus: "What a nice boat. Let's sail it!"
Steve Paskey
I faxed a letter to PCB&F this morning asking for suggestions on
a economical design for weekend cruises on the Potomac
under power with a family of four. Tennessee and the "canal
cruiser" were among the possibilities I mentioned.
The alternative suggested by Phil and Susanne was surprising
and most appropriate: Wm. D. Jochems, sans her sailing gear!
The suggested modifications are modest: eliminate the rig,
leeboards, billet head, and rudder; move the outboard to the
center; extend the cockpit seats aft; and add a cockpit awning
with standing headroom. They would keep the water ballast,
making her capable of crossing the Chesapeake Bay.
As for performance: a 9.9 HP 4-stroke outboard will power the
original Jochems at 7 knots into a strong breeze, and Judge
Jochems reports 13 mpg at reduced throttle.
A splendid idea. The only "objection" I can think of thus far is the
usual chorus: "What a nice boat. Let's sail it!"
Steve Paskey
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
>
> I think that Phil Bolger's four berth canal cruiser aka "Canal
Boat Cartoon" from the Small Boat Journal #28 is genius.
>
> I scanned the article at:
>http://www.hallman.org/bolger/CanalBoat/
In my earlier post I forgot that my Brick had an extra 2" of freeboard because it was made of 2"
construction foam and I didn"t compensate when I cut the sides. I built a model of the double size Brick
but I was thinking more of a shanty type boat and the rocker was too much. Clyde
"Clyde S. Wisner" wrote:
construction foam and I didn"t compensate when I cut the sides. I built a model of the double size Brick
but I was thinking more of a shanty type boat and the rocker was too much. Clyde
"Clyde S. Wisner" wrote:
> I think the "Brick " has too much rocker to start with. I cut the bottom off my Brick to make a
> skimmer, and the remaining bottom portion still has about 4 inches of freeboard
I think the "Brick " has too much rocker to start with. I cut the bottom off my Brick to make a
skimmer, and the remaining bottom portion still has about 4 inches of freeboard above the water line,
for a sunfish type surf sailer. You can reduce the rocker with a good long batten when you draw the
side panels, but anything you do here is merely an easy to build compromise. Clyde, BTW, I think PCB
wrote an article in MAIB about enlarging and changing the rig on the Brick. My foam brick sailed
pretty well with a 75 sqft sprit sail but the experience was still like riding in the back of a small
pickup truck,spartan.
bitme1234 wrote:
skimmer, and the remaining bottom portion still has about 4 inches of freeboard above the water line,
for a sunfish type surf sailer. You can reduce the rocker with a good long batten when you draw the
side panels, but anything you do here is merely an easy to build compromise. Clyde, BTW, I think PCB
wrote an article in MAIB about enlarging and changing the rig on the Brick. My foam brick sailed
pretty well with a 75 sqft sprit sail but the experience was still like riding in the back of a small
pickup truck,spartan.
bitme1234 wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., "Clyde S. Wisner" <clydewis@c...> wrote:
> > Interesting, if you look at the "Brick" in BoatsWAOM, and change
> the station spacing from 6" to 12",
> > you come out with a 16' hull form with beam of your choice, on
> which you could build the cabin of
> > your choice. As with L'ARC, I think the key is not to try to over
> power with motor but it could take
> > a lot of sail. Clyde
> >
>
> Can you really do that?
>
> I thought you could only scale up about 10% befor the rocker gets all
> out of wack?
>
> 16' brick 5' wide raise the sides by 12''with a small walk through
> cabin or no cabin at all sounds really interesting.
> I'm looking over my plans as I write this. hmmmmmmm
>
> Todd
>
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--- In bolger@y..., "Clyde S. Wisner" <clydewis@c...> wrote:
I thought you could only scale up about 10% befor the rocker gets all
out of wack?
16' brick 5' wide raise the sides by 12''with a small walk through
cabin or no cabin at all sounds really interesting.
I'm looking over my plans as I write this. hmmmmmmm
Todd
> Interesting, if you look at the "Brick" in BoatsWAOM, and changethe station spacing from 6" to 12",
> you come out with a 16' hull form with beam of your choice, onwhich you could build the cabin of
> your choice. As with L'ARC, I think the key is not to try to overpower with motor but it could take
> a lot of sail. ClydeCan you really do that?
>
I thought you could only scale up about 10% befor the rocker gets all
out of wack?
16' brick 5' wide raise the sides by 12''with a small walk through
cabin or no cabin at all sounds really interesting.
I'm looking over my plans as I write this. hmmmmmmm
Todd
--- In bolger@y..., "s_paskey" <stephen@p...> wrote:
four berth canal cruiser aka
"Canal Boat Cartoon" from the
Small Boat Journal #28 is
genius.
I especially like the Bow
Staff, simply elegant, and
very appropriate in a
canal. Also, the low
cabin, and high pilots seat,
for visibility makes sense.
I scanned the article at:
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/CanalBoat/
> four-berth canal cruiser.I think that Phil Bolger's
four berth canal cruiser aka
"Canal Boat Cartoon" from the
Small Boat Journal #28 is
genius.
I especially like the Bow
Staff, simply elegant, and
very appropriate in a
canal. Also, the low
cabin, and high pilots seat,
for visibility makes sense.
I scanned the article at:
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/CanalBoat/
I think it would be nice if somebody just built SuperBrick as
designed, finally. Apparently no one has, although I heard that some
plans have been sold. I can't build one, as I'm too emotionally
insecure to be seen in command of such a vessel. Incidentally,
putting "SuperBrick" in a search engine just gets me page after page
of masonry supplies. Since when do masons have anything to do with
Bricks? ;o)
Btw, has anyone else seen Phil's upgrades for the AS-29 in the newest
(February 1) edition of MAIB? Intriguing. I especially like the "anti-
phlumphing" bow modification. I think it could be applied to other
designs with wave-slap problems,
porky
designed, finally. Apparently no one has, although I heard that some
plans have been sold. I can't build one, as I'm too emotionally
insecure to be seen in command of such a vessel. Incidentally,
putting "SuperBrick" in a search engine just gets me page after page
of masonry supplies. Since when do masons have anything to do with
Bricks? ;o)
Btw, has anyone else seen Phil's upgrades for the AS-29 in the newest
(February 1) edition of MAIB? Intriguing. I especially like the "anti-
phlumphing" bow modification. I think it could be applied to other
designs with wave-slap problems,
porky
--- In bolger@y..., "s_paskey" <stephen@p...> wrote:
> For those of you with an eye for shantyboats, it occurs to me that
> one could combine "SuperBrick" and "L'Arc." Start with SuperBrick,
> reduce the beam by a foot, modify the house and interior along the
> lines suggested by Thiel, and, Voila! SuperL'Ark, the SAILING
> four-berth canal cruiser.
>
> Well, yes: you can't sail on a canal. But I'm half serious here.
> The thought of seeing SuperL'Ark under sail on the Potomac River is
> enough to warm my heart on a dreary winter's day....
For those of you with an eye for shantyboats, it occurs to me that
one could combine "SuperBrick" and "L'Arc." Start with SuperBrick,
reduce the beam by a foot, modify the house and interior along the
lines suggested by Thiel, and, Voila! SuperL'Ark, the SAILING
four-berth canal cruiser.
Well, yes: you can't sail on a canal. But I'm half serious here.
The thought of seeing SuperL'Ark under sail on the Potomac River is
enough to warm my heart on a dreary winter's day.
Steve Paskey
one could combine "SuperBrick" and "L'Arc." Start with SuperBrick,
reduce the beam by a foot, modify the house and interior along the
lines suggested by Thiel, and, Voila! SuperL'Ark, the SAILING
four-berth canal cruiser.
Well, yes: you can't sail on a canal. But I'm half serious here.
The thought of seeing SuperL'Ark under sail on the Potomac River is
enough to warm my heart on a dreary winter's day.
Steve Paskey
--- In bolger@y..., "s_paskey" <stephen@p...> wrote:
> L'Ark is a somewhat enlarged (18'6" LOA by 7' beam) version of
> Thiel's pedal-driven "Escargot" canal cruiser, but is intended to
> cruise inland waters at a leisurely 4 mph with a 5-10 hp
> outboard. There are short decks fore and aft. The cabin has 2
> quarter berths forward, 2 more aft, and a galley, wc, and closet in
> between, with 6' of headroom down the center. She's truly cute
> as a bug. I've posted a scan in Bolger2.
>
> Steve
Interesting, if you look at the "Brick" in BoatsWAOM, and change the station spacing from 6" to 12",
you come out with a 16' hull form with beam of your choice, on which you could build the cabin of
your choice. As with L'ARC, I think the key is not to try to over power with motor but it could take
a lot of sail. Clyde
s_paskey wrote:
you come out with a 16' hull form with beam of your choice, on which you could build the cabin of
your choice. As with L'ARC, I think the key is not to try to over power with motor but it could take
a lot of sail. Clyde
s_paskey wrote:
> Not a Bolger boat, mind you, but she's square all the same.
>
> The 1/15 issue of MAIB includes a bit on L'Ark, a four berth "canal
> cruiser" by naval architect Phil Thiel of Seattle, Washington, who
> doesn't list a fax number, much less an e-mail address.
>
> L'Ark is a somewhat enlarged (18'6" LOA by 7' beam) version of
> Thiel's pedal-driven "Escargot" canal cruiser, but is intended to
> cruise inland waters at a leisurely 4 mph with a 5-10 hp
> outboard. There are short decks fore and aft. The cabin has 2
> quarter berths forward, 2 more aft, and a galley, wc, and closet in
> between, with 6' of headroom down the center. She's truly cute
> as a bug. I've posted a scan in Bolger2.
>
> Steve
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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--- In bolger@y..., "s_paskey" <stephen@p...> wrote:
http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Miscellaneous/Escargot.html
Bruce
> Not a Bolger boat, mind you, but she's square all the same.See:
>
> The 1/15 issue of MAIB includes a bit on L'Ark, a four berth "canal
> cruiser" by naval architect Phil Thiel of Seattle, Washington, who
> doesn't list a fax number, much less an e-mail address.
http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Miscellaneous/Escargot.html
Bruce
Not a Bolger boat, mind you, but she's square all the same.
The 1/15 issue of MAIB includes a bit on L'Ark, a four berth "canal
cruiser" by naval architect Phil Thiel of Seattle, Washington, who
doesn't list a fax number, much less an e-mail address.
L'Ark is a somewhat enlarged (18'6" LOA by 7' beam) version of
Thiel's pedal-driven "Escargot" canal cruiser, but is intended to
cruise inland waters at a leisurely 4 mph with a 5-10 hp
outboard. There are short decks fore and aft. The cabin has 2
quarter berths forward, 2 more aft, and a galley, wc, and closet in
between, with 6' of headroom down the center. She's truly cute
as a bug. I've posted a scan in Bolger2.
Steve
The 1/15 issue of MAIB includes a bit on L'Ark, a four berth "canal
cruiser" by naval architect Phil Thiel of Seattle, Washington, who
doesn't list a fax number, much less an e-mail address.
L'Ark is a somewhat enlarged (18'6" LOA by 7' beam) version of
Thiel's pedal-driven "Escargot" canal cruiser, but is intended to
cruise inland waters at a leisurely 4 mph with a 5-10 hp
outboard. There are short decks fore and aft. The cabin has 2
quarter berths forward, 2 more aft, and a galley, wc, and closet in
between, with 6' of headroom down the center. She's truly cute
as a bug. I've posted a scan in Bolger2.
Steve