Re: cartopper
Seems like Cartopper wouldn't support much of a motor on that stern.
From the lines, it looks maybe a bit tippy for fishing? If building time
was not an object, seems like this would be perfect application for
Thomaston Galley. Instant Boat version would be nice. Not sure what best
boat would be when building time is important. Brick is great boat, but
rows slowly and I'd guess in a 2' chop it might be pretty nasty. For
boats with fine stern that you want to motor, maybe electric with
battery kept well forward?
someone wrote:
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Lincoln Ross
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From the lines, it looks maybe a bit tippy for fishing? If building time
was not an object, seems like this would be perfect application for
Thomaston Galley. Instant Boat version would be nice. Not sure what best
boat would be when building time is important. Brick is great boat, but
rows slowly and I'd guess in a 2' chop it might be pretty nasty. For
boats with fine stern that you want to motor, maybe electric with
battery kept well forward?
someone wrote:
> > I am interested in the cartopper, but have a few questions. Ifsnip
> > building for row or small motor, ie not sail, what have other's
> > build time been? how stable is the boat in a slight 1-2 chop? Can
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Lincoln Ross
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By coincidence, I'm reading your post right after just getting back
from a week in a cabin on a very small island -- amd we had Alan's
elegant punt Creamsicle along, with its sail. Winds were very
strong for this time of year, but we managed some sailing between
blows. I can report that the punt sailed very well, although she
took getting used to, responding instantly to everything. She takes
a couple of 100 pound teenagers nicely, or one 200+ pound adult.
With the whole sail, a wind of 5 to 10 knots is just right. With
the sail reefed, 10 to 15 knots is okay but not too relaxing (winds
estimated with the help of the weather reports).
Hitting a rock on the bottom will stop you dead, but does not
necessarily mean a broken leeboard or rudder. Luckily it was at the
5 knot stage and leaning the boat allowed me to spin her round and
retreat.
And finally, I learned that the longwise seat has another benefit --
when the oarlock breaks during a race, the rower falls backwards on
the seat instead of into the bilges, and the boat doesn't tip over!
Boat and gear are all according to the plans, as near as I could
make them. A lot of boat for very little outlay.
Jamie Orr
from a week in a cabin on a very small island -- amd we had Alan's
elegant punt Creamsicle along, with its sail. Winds were very
strong for this time of year, but we managed some sailing between
blows. I can report that the punt sailed very well, although she
took getting used to, responding instantly to everything. She takes
a couple of 100 pound teenagers nicely, or one 200+ pound adult.
With the whole sail, a wind of 5 to 10 knots is just right. With
the sail reefed, 10 to 15 knots is okay but not too relaxing (winds
estimated with the help of the weather reports).
Hitting a rock on the bottom will stop you dead, but does not
necessarily mean a broken leeboard or rudder. Luckily it was at the
5 knot stage and leaning the boat allowed me to spin her round and
retreat.
And finally, I learned that the longwise seat has another benefit --
when the oarlock breaks during a race, the rower falls backwards on
the seat instead of into the bilges, and the boat doesn't tip over!
Boat and gear are all according to the plans, as near as I could
make them. A lot of boat for very little outlay.
Jamie Orr
--- In bolger@y..., Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...> wrote:
> Thanks again to all who helped with my "skeg or
> shoe" question on the elegant punt. I built her as
> designed with the twin shoe keels. Since she is to be
> a house-top riding tender for my Topaz, I built her
> light--Okume ply, taped chines and cedar rails--maybe
> 50 pounds, easy to carry on one shoulder.
> I put her in this morning, and she tracks fine
> with the shoe keels. Not over a long distance, but
> then in a boat this light and short she won't carry
> far anyway without an oar or two in the water. She
> did fine with one person, and with a 400 pound
> load--she should be a nice tender. I am very please
> with her. I have built (and been talked into selling)
> a stretch tortoise, and I must say that the fuller
> ends of the tortoise make her a better boat in every
> way, except looks. The cheerful pronounced sheer and
> sweeping plan view on EP are worth the resulting
> inefficiencies, to me, and she should look great
> alongside the Topaz.
> Thanks again for the help. Sam
>
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Thanks again to all who helped with my "skeg or
shoe" question on the elegant punt. I built her as
designed with the twin shoe keels. Since she is to be
a house-top riding tender for my Topaz, I built her
light--Okume ply, taped chines and cedar rails--maybe
50 pounds, easy to carry on one shoulder.
I put her in this morning, and she tracks fine
with the shoe keels. Not over a long distance, but
then in a boat this light and short she won't carry
far anyway without an oar or two in the water. She
did fine with one person, and with a 400 pound
load--she should be a nice tender. I am very please
with her. I have built (and been talked into selling)
a stretch tortoise, and I must say that the fuller
ends of the tortoise make her a better boat in every
way, except looks. The cheerful pronounced sheer and
sweeping plan view on EP are worth the resulting
inefficiencies, to me, and she should look great
alongside the Topaz.
Thanks again for the help. Sam
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shoe" question on the elegant punt. I built her as
designed with the twin shoe keels. Since she is to be
a house-top riding tender for my Topaz, I built her
light--Okume ply, taped chines and cedar rails--maybe
50 pounds, easy to carry on one shoulder.
I put her in this morning, and she tracks fine
with the shoe keels. Not over a long distance, but
then in a boat this light and short she won't carry
far anyway without an oar or two in the water. She
did fine with one person, and with a 400 pound
load--she should be a nice tender. I am very please
with her. I have built (and been talked into selling)
a stretch tortoise, and I must say that the fuller
ends of the tortoise make her a better boat in every
way, except looks. The cheerful pronounced sheer and
sweeping plan view on EP are worth the resulting
inefficiencies, to me, and she should look great
alongside the Topaz.
Thanks again for the help. Sam
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For a more stable cartopper I suggest you look at the 10 and 12 foot
versions of the Fisherman's Skiff sold at Dynamite Payson's site.
Flat bottomed and sided, they build easily (so did Diablo though) and
have more initial stability than a 5 sider.
My Diablo, a 5 sided powerboat is seakindly, but not particularly
stable. If you must stand, for example, you must be paying attention
to the act of standing, life jackets and sobriety recommended. With
it's 2' wide flat footprint, it wants to lean whenever your weight
isn't centred. It is however "seakindly", when I'm seated she handles
any combination of wind, waves and wakes that I care to be out in
with charm and elan. She actually likes "leaping" over power boat
wakes. I have to admit it's fun too. Plus she looks great.
The flat bottom skiffs are more stable, in a standing or initial
stability regard, but don't handle the swells and wakes as easily. I
wouldn't want to leap a substantial wave in one, the landing would be
quite a jarring thump.
I guess it's a matter of choice and prefference.
versions of the Fisherman's Skiff sold at Dynamite Payson's site.
Flat bottomed and sided, they build easily (so did Diablo though) and
have more initial stability than a 5 sider.
My Diablo, a 5 sided powerboat is seakindly, but not particularly
stable. If you must stand, for example, you must be paying attention
to the act of standing, life jackets and sobriety recommended. With
it's 2' wide flat footprint, it wants to lean whenever your weight
isn't centred. It is however "seakindly", when I'm seated she handles
any combination of wind, waves and wakes that I care to be out in
with charm and elan. She actually likes "leaping" over power boat
wakes. I have to admit it's fun too. Plus she looks great.
The flat bottom skiffs are more stable, in a standing or initial
stability regard, but don't handle the swells and wakes as easily. I
wouldn't want to leap a substantial wave in one, the landing would be
quite a jarring thump.
I guess it's a matter of choice and prefference.
.
weekends, but it depends a lot on personal skill, tools, and what
level of finish you go for.
This is one of the five panel boats right? They are not very stable
in my view, but conversely they ride very nicely in a chop. They row
nicely also, often more nicely than expensive slippery looking boats.
>Build time is totaly subjective. This is a project for a few
> I am interested in the cartopper, but have a few questions. If
> building for row or small motor, ie not sail, what have other's
> build time been? how stable is the boat in a slight 1-2 chop? Can
weekends, but it depends a lot on personal skill, tools, and what
level of finish you go for.
This is one of the five panel boats right? They are not very stable
in my view, but conversely they ride very nicely in a chop. They row
nicely also, often more nicely than expensive slippery looking boats.
Welcome,
It sounds like you need a brick. The small size and tremendous load
carrying ability for an 8' boat make it a good choice for you. Yes it
is square and yes no one will steal it but it carries 875 lbs of gear
and men.
It can be built in a weekend and at a minimum cost to you. With some
exterior latex paint you can design a paint scheme that will make it
a jewel at any boat ramp. You get low cost, maximum loading ability
and short building time all in one package. This boat should not be
overlooked as one of your choices.
John
It sounds like you need a brick. The small size and tremendous load
carrying ability for an 8' boat make it a good choice for you. Yes it
is square and yes no one will steal it but it carries 875 lbs of gear
and men.
It can be built in a weekend and at a minimum cost to you. With some
exterior latex paint you can design a paint scheme that will make it
a jewel at any boat ramp. You get low cost, maximum loading ability
and short building time all in one package. This boat should not be
overlooked as one of your choices.
John
--- In bolger@y..., "lowpine" <lowpineuno@a...> wrote:
> howdy,
> I'm new to the group, but have been interested in homebuilt boats
> for quite sometime. I do have a little experience, I built a stitch
> and glue mini canoe as an experiment, as an outrigger for my canoe.
>
> I am interested in the cartopper, but have a few questions. If
> building for row or small motor, ie not sail, what have other's
> build time been? how stable is the boat in a slight 1-2 chop? Can
2
> full size adults ride in comfort? Basically, I want something to
> fish out of.
>
> Although it's not a bolger, has anyone had experience with any of
> the Tolman skiffs? I want to build one of these too, but building
> location and money constraints are causing me to scale down for the
> meantime.
>
> stevenj
howdy,
I'm new to the group, but have been interested in homebuilt boats
for quite sometime. I do have a little experience, I built a stitch
and glue mini canoe as an experiment, as an outrigger for my canoe.
I am interested in the cartopper, but have a few questions. If
building for row or small motor, ie not sail, what have other's
build time been? how stable is the boat in a slight 1-2 chop? Can 2
full size adults ride in comfort? Basically, I want something to
fish out of.
Although it's not a bolger, has anyone had experience with any of
the Tolman skiffs? I want to build one of these too, but building
location and money constraints are causing me to scale down for the
meantime.
stevenj
I'm new to the group, but have been interested in homebuilt boats
for quite sometime. I do have a little experience, I built a stitch
and glue mini canoe as an experiment, as an outrigger for my canoe.
I am interested in the cartopper, but have a few questions. If
building for row or small motor, ie not sail, what have other's
build time been? how stable is the boat in a slight 1-2 chop? Can 2
full size adults ride in comfort? Basically, I want something to
fish out of.
Although it's not a bolger, has anyone had experience with any of
the Tolman skiffs? I want to build one of these too, but building
location and money constraints are causing me to scale down for the
meantime.
stevenj
Don Elliott is doing an article on the cartopper at the moment on
Yahoos "Small Boats". He really likes it.
Rique
Yahoos "Small Boats". He really likes it.
Rique