Re: [bolger] Re: Bigger Brick...? Opinions, please...
I built my Brick of 2" foam, figuring that epoxy and glass would provide rigidity. It did. It just
took a lot more of it than I expected and I can't lift the boat by myself. I think it cost more than
simple okoume ply and generally not a good idea. Clyde
podowitz wrote:
took a lot more of it than I expected and I can't lift the boat by myself. I think it cost more than
simple okoume ply and generally not a good idea. Clyde
podowitz wrote:
> Thanks, Sam -- and to all others -- for your considered replies.
> Consensus has it that the idea of a boxed skeg on a Brick stern is
> ill-advised. Got it. Thanks for all the other scow references, too,
> BTW.
>
> Will therefore try the Brick larger and with decked ends and a
> centered mast. Here's a wrinkle: I may build her out of doubled up
> 3/4" sheets of pink insulation foam (stuff called Foamular, by Owens
> Corning. Closed cell water resistant extruded polystyrene) covered
> with a epoxy/glass(or dynel) skin; 1x2 wood chines, gunwales, bottom
> strips, stiffener for those bluff sides, mast support and step,
> rudder pintles.
>
> Hmmmmm..." said my alter-ego. "I'm sensing a death wish here. Why
> not just build the thing the way PCB drew it!!!???!!!"
>
> Either way, will keep y'all apprised.
>
> --- In bolger@y..., Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Bolger's old Skimmer design is essentially a brick
> > with the aft rocker eliminated, with scantlings beefed
> > up to take power. Even with all that bearing surface
> > aft, the boat is relectant to plane with a heavy load
> > on the designed 10hp, so I am not sure a box
> > keel-Brick would plane at all with reasonable power.
> >
> > As for rowing and sailing, a Skimmer rows not like a
> > Bolger Brick but more like, well, a brick. Can't
> > imagine sailing one.
> >
> > My Skimmer was built as a quick-and dirty project for
> > use with my ten-horse motor. Not pretty, but
> > servicable. My 10 horse is now defunct, and my
> > Skimmer is now available, free-for-nothing, to anybody
> > who would like to fool around with her--located in
> > southern Delaware.
> > >
> > > The beauty of this design, in my opinion, is its
> > > simplicity and ease of
> > > building. Decking the ends for flotation and storage
> > > doesn't add much
> > > complexity, but a box keel and trying to get up on
> > > plane with an
> > > outboard in this design is a whole new ball game. If
> > > you really want to
> > > plane with an outboard, why not just eliminate the
> > > aft rocker
> > > altogether. I believe that Bolger discussed doing
> > > that in one of his
> > > books. Of course, then it might not sail or row as
> > > well.
> > >
> >
> >
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Thanks, Sam -- and to all others -- for your considered replies.
Consensus has it that the idea of a boxed skeg on a Brick stern is
ill-advised. Got it. Thanks for all the other scow references, too,
BTW.
Will therefore try the Brick larger and with decked ends and a
centered mast. Here's a wrinkle: I may build her out of doubled up
3/4" sheets of pink insulation foam (stuff called Foamular, by Owens
Corning. Closed cell water resistant extruded polystyrene) covered
with a epoxy/glass(or dynel) skin; 1x2 wood chines, gunwales, bottom
strips, stiffener for those bluff sides, mast support and step,
rudder pintles.
Hmmmmm..." said my alter-ego. "I'm sensing a death wish here. Why
not just build the thing the way PCB drew it!!!???!!!"
Either way, will keep y'all apprised.
Consensus has it that the idea of a boxed skeg on a Brick stern is
ill-advised. Got it. Thanks for all the other scow references, too,
BTW.
Will therefore try the Brick larger and with decked ends and a
centered mast. Here's a wrinkle: I may build her out of doubled up
3/4" sheets of pink insulation foam (stuff called Foamular, by Owens
Corning. Closed cell water resistant extruded polystyrene) covered
with a epoxy/glass(or dynel) skin; 1x2 wood chines, gunwales, bottom
strips, stiffener for those bluff sides, mast support and step,
rudder pintles.
Hmmmmm..." said my alter-ego. "I'm sensing a death wish here. Why
not just build the thing the way PCB drew it!!!???!!!"
Either way, will keep y'all apprised.
--- In bolger@y..., Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...> wrote:
>
> Bolger's old Skimmer design is essentially a brick
> with the aft rocker eliminated, with scantlings beefed
> up to take power. Even with all that bearing surface
> aft, the boat is relectant to plane with a heavy load
> on the designed 10hp, so I am not sure a box
> keel-Brick would plane at all with reasonable power.
>
> As for rowing and sailing, a Skimmer rows not like a
> Bolger Brick but more like, well, a brick. Can't
> imagine sailing one.
>
> My Skimmer was built as a quick-and dirty project for
> use with my ten-horse motor. Not pretty, but
> servicable. My 10 horse is now defunct, and my
> Skimmer is now available, free-for-nothing, to anybody
> who would like to fool around with her--located in
> southern Delaware.
> >
> > The beauty of this design, in my opinion, is its
> > simplicity and ease of
> > building. Decking the ends for flotation and storage
> > doesn't add much
> > complexity, but a box keel and trying to get up on
> > plane with an
> > outboard in this design is a whole new ball game. If
> > you really want to
> > plane with an outboard, why not just eliminate the
> > aft rocker
> > altogether. I believe that Bolger discussed doing
> > that in one of his
> > books. Of course, then it might not sail or row as
> > well.
> >
>
>
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Bolger's old Skimmer design is essentially a brick
with the aft rocker eliminated, with scantlings beefed
up to take power. Even with all that bearing surface
aft, the boat is relectant to plane with a heavy load
on the designed 10hp, so I am not sure a box
keel-Brick would plane at all with reasonable power.
As for rowing and sailing, a Skimmer rows not like a
Bolger Brick but more like, well, a brick. Can't
imagine sailing one.
My Skimmer was built as a quick-and dirty project for
use with my ten-horse motor. Not pretty, but
servicable. My 10 horse is now defunct, and my
Skimmer is now available, free-for-nothing, to anybody
who would like to fool around with her--located in
southern Delaware.
Do You Yahoo!?
Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings!
http://greetings.yahoo.com
with the aft rocker eliminated, with scantlings beefed
up to take power. Even with all that bearing surface
aft, the boat is relectant to plane with a heavy load
on the designed 10hp, so I am not sure a box
keel-Brick would plane at all with reasonable power.
As for rowing and sailing, a Skimmer rows not like a
Bolger Brick but more like, well, a brick. Can't
imagine sailing one.
My Skimmer was built as a quick-and dirty project for
use with my ten-horse motor. Not pretty, but
servicable. My 10 horse is now defunct, and my
Skimmer is now available, free-for-nothing, to anybody
who would like to fool around with her--located in
southern Delaware.
>__________________________________________________
> The beauty of this design, in my opinion, is its
> simplicity and ease of
> building. Decking the ends for flotation and storage
> doesn't add much
> complexity, but a box keel and trying to get up on
> plane with an
> outboard in this design is a whole new ball game. If
> you really want to
> plane with an outboard, why not just eliminate the
> aft rocker
> altogether. I believe that Bolger discussed doing
> that in one of his
> books. Of course, then it might not sail or row as
> well.
>
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If you just increase the distance between stations and keep the same
offsets, it will result in less rocker. Trying to duplicate the rocker
of the original, thus increasing the depth, will result in a lot of
material waste. You would no longer be able to get two sides from a
sheet. I think that part of the reason for the deep rocker in the
original was PCB's effort to get the biggest boat possible out of three
sheets of ply.
The beauty of this design, in my opinion, is its simplicity and ease of
building. Decking the ends for flotation and storage doesn't add much
complexity, but a box keel and trying to get up on plane with an
outboard in this design is a whole new ball game. If you really want to
plane with an outboard, why not just eliminate the aft rocker
altogether. I believe that Bolger discussed doing that in one of his
books. Of course, then it might not sail or row as well.
offsets, it will result in less rocker. Trying to duplicate the rocker
of the original, thus increasing the depth, will result in a lot of
material waste. You would no longer be able to get two sides from a
sheet. I think that part of the reason for the deep rocker in the
original was PCB's effort to get the biggest boat possible out of three
sheets of ply.
The beauty of this design, in my opinion, is its simplicity and ease of
building. Decking the ends for flotation and storage doesn't add much
complexity, but a box keel and trying to get up on plane with an
outboard in this design is a whole new ball game. If you really want to
plane with an outboard, why not just eliminate the aft rocker
altogether. I believe that Bolger discussed doing that in one of his
books. Of course, then it might not sail or row as well.