Re: [bolger] Re: Random Orbital Sanders
I agree, I use a makita belt sander I found in an industrial bin outside of
a powertool repair shop. Apart from a missing drive belt cover the thing
runs like a charm and mows down anything in its way. A gentle touch is
required though, and its never a good idea to start it while it is sitting
on the job . I use 40 grit belts.
Luke S
a powertool repair shop. Apart from a missing drive belt cover the thing
runs like a charm and mows down anything in its way. A gentle touch is
required though, and its never a good idea to start it while it is sitting
on the job . I use 40 grit belts.
Luke S
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Abrahams" <abrahams@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 3:11 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Random Orbital Sanders
> To take off material such as epoxy runs, paint, etc, etc, don't fool
around with orbital sanders. I use 3 in X 18 in. Skil belt sander. This
makes short work of tough jobs. It leaves a good surface that can be fine
finished with an orbital sander. Use the roughest belt you can find, 50 or
60.
>
> For orbital sanders, I prefer the quarter sheet pad sander over the round.
>
> Ken Abrahams
Mike, interesting that as usual, when you ask a question, you get as
many opinions as you receive answers. My experiences are opposite to
some of your replies, but I guess each is giving a correct opinion!
This sander will be a relatively expensive item. Have you thought of
looking around and hiring a couple to see which suits best before
purchase?
DonB
many opinions as you receive answers. My experiences are opposite to
some of your replies, but I guess each is giving a correct opinion!
This sander will be a relatively expensive item. Have you thought of
looking around and hiring a couple to see which suits best before
purchase?
DonB
--- In bolger@y..., "dvacanti" <mike_vacanti@h...> wrote:
> I want to glass the bottom of my Junebug so I need to strip all the
> paint from the bottom first. I currently have a Makita palm sander
> and an old Craftsman 1/3 sheet sander. Neither are all that great
for
> removing large amounts of wood or coatings. I've heard that a
random
> orbital sander is better at this task. Does anyone have any
> recommendations on a model? I'm willing to spend the extra money to
> get a sander that is up to the job and will last a while. Thanks.
>
> Mike
I got a whole bunch of belts from Harbor Freight, very cheap, seem to
last fairly well for the price. They had double ought buck 36 grit, but
I can't imagine using it on any thing that would end in finish work. I
used it on leveling out sub floor seams, 36 grit will rip up some Fix
All.
HJ
Ken Abrahams wrote:
last fairly well for the price. They had double ought buck 36 grit, but
I can't imagine using it on any thing that would end in finish work. I
used it on leveling out sub floor seams, 36 grit will rip up some Fix
All.
HJ
Ken Abrahams wrote:
>
> To take off material such as epoxy runs, paint, etc, etc, don't fool around with orbital sanders. I use 3 in X 18 in. Skil belt sander. This makes short work of tough jobs. It leaves a good surface that can be fine finished with an orbital sander. Use the roughest belt you can find, 50 or 60.
>
> For orbital sanders, I prefer the quarter sheet pad sander over the round.
>
> Ken Abrahams
>
To take off material such as epoxy runs, paint, etc, etc, don't fool around with orbital sanders. I use 3 in X 18 in. Skil belt sander. This makes short work of tough jobs. It leaves a good surface that can be fine finished with an orbital sander. Use the roughest belt you can find, 50 or 60.
For orbital sanders, I prefer the quarter sheet pad sander over the round.
Ken Abrahams
When I first got my ROS I ruined the pad by...don't ask. I had to get a new one, but first I looked at it as an opportunity to switch to the less expensive PSA disks. I polished the pad smooth, then I attached a PSA disk and started sanding. It was not long before it came off. You are right, Jamie, the hook and loop disks are much better.
Chuck
Yes, it does. I believe the sanding discs are a bit more expensive, but for
me, the convenience more than made up for it. And so far (after sanding a
20 foot boat glassed all over outside and coated inside) the hooks are still
in like new shape -- ready for another boat.
I expect there are other opinions out there on the best attachment system,
but I like this one.
Jamie
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For orbital sanders, I prefer the quarter sheet pad sander over the round.
Ken Abrahams
When I first got my ROS I ruined the pad by...don't ask. I had to get a new one, but first I looked at it as an opportunity to switch to the less expensive PSA disks. I polished the pad smooth, then I attached a PSA disk and started sanding. It was not long before it came off. You are right, Jamie, the hook and loop disks are much better.
Chuck
Yes, it does. I believe the sanding discs are a bit more expensive, but for
me, the convenience more than made up for it. And so far (after sanding a
20 foot boat glassed all over outside and coated inside) the hooks are still
in like new shape -- ready for another boat.
I expect there are other opinions out there on the best attachment system,
but I like this one.
Jamie
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Hi, Ken:
I have a stash of 36 grit belts for my 3x24 Makita belt sander. I found a package of them once and bought them, but I have never seen them again. I use them sparingly. The only problem with belt sanders is you have to be careful not to cut grooves. Other than that they are very fast.
Chuck
To take off material such as epoxy runs, paint, etc, etc, don't fool around with orbital sanders. I use 3 in X 18 in. Skil belt sander. This makes short work of tough jobs. It leaves a good surface that can be fine finished with an orbital sander. Use the roughest belt you can find, 50 or 60.
For orbital sanders, I prefer the quarter sheet pad sander over the round.
Ken Abrahams
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I have a stash of 36 grit belts for my 3x24 Makita belt sander. I found a package of them once and bought them, but I have never seen them again. I use them sparingly. The only problem with belt sanders is you have to be careful not to cut grooves. Other than that they are very fast.
Chuck
To take off material such as epoxy runs, paint, etc, etc, don't fool around with orbital sanders. I use 3 in X 18 in. Skil belt sander. This makes short work of tough jobs. It leaves a good surface that can be fine finished with an orbital sander. Use the roughest belt you can find, 50 or 60.
For orbital sanders, I prefer the quarter sheet pad sander over the round.
Ken Abrahams
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When I first got my ROS I ruined the pad by...don't ask. I had to get a new one, but first I looked at it as an opportunity to switch to the less expensive PSA disks. I polished the pad smooth, then I attached a PSA disk and started sanding. It was not long before it came off. You are right, Jamie, the hook and loop disks are much better.
Chuck
Yes, it does. I believe the sanding discs are a bit more expensive, but for
me, the convenience more than made up for it. And so far (after sanding a
20 foot boat glassed all over outside and coated inside) the hooks are still
in like new shape -- ready for another boat.
I expect there are other opinions out there on the best attachment system,
but I like this one.
Jamie
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Chuck
Yes, it does. I believe the sanding discs are a bit more expensive, but for
me, the convenience more than made up for it. And so far (after sanding a
20 foot boat glassed all over outside and coated inside) the hooks are still
in like new shape -- ready for another boat.
I expect there are other opinions out there on the best attachment system,
but I like this one.
Jamie
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Yes, it does. I believe the sanding discs are a bit more expensive, but for
me, the convenience more than made up for it. And so far (after sanding a
20 foot boat glassed all over outside and coated inside) the hooks are still
in like new shape -- ready for another boat.
I expect there are other opinions out there on the best attachment system,
but I like this one.
Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Leinweber [mailto:chuck@...]
Sent: February 6, 2002 4:22 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Random Orbital Sanders
Jamie:
Does the Makita use the hook and loop attachment system?
Chuck
me, the convenience more than made up for it. And so far (after sanding a
20 foot boat glassed all over outside and coated inside) the hooks are still
in like new shape -- ready for another boat.
I expect there are other opinions out there on the best attachment system,
but I like this one.
Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Leinweber [mailto:chuck@...]
Sent: February 6, 2002 4:22 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Random Orbital Sanders
Jamie:
Does the Makita use the hook and loop attachment system?
Chuck
Jamie:
Does the Makita use the hook and loop attachment system?
Chuck
I used a Makita orbital for most of the sanding on my Chebacco. I found it
took off lots of material when I wanted it to, but was very easy to control
when a delicate touch was needed. I used up lots of 60 grit discs, got some
use out of the 80s, but anything finer was a waste of money.
I tried a larger disc sander to smooth the hull after glassing, but the
stick-on discs didn't stick -- they flew off at the first opportunity, so I
went back to the Makita, never regretted it.
Jamie Orr
P.S. Both the Makita and my Black and Decker 1/4 sheet palm sander quit
working on this job. After I spent some $ for "servicing", they quit again
-- When I checked myself, I found it was only dust getting in after the
little rubber switch covers disintegrated. Cleaned them up and they're both
still going strong.
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Does the Makita use the hook and loop attachment system?
Chuck
I used a Makita orbital for most of the sanding on my Chebacco. I found it
took off lots of material when I wanted it to, but was very easy to control
when a delicate touch was needed. I used up lots of 60 grit discs, got some
use out of the 80s, but anything finer was a waste of money.
I tried a larger disc sander to smooth the hull after glassing, but the
stick-on discs didn't stick -- they flew off at the first opportunity, so I
went back to the Makita, never regretted it.
Jamie Orr
P.S. Both the Makita and my Black and Decker 1/4 sheet palm sander quit
working on this job. After I spent some $ for "servicing", they quit again
-- When I checked myself, I found it was only dust getting in after the
little rubber switch covers disintegrated. Cleaned them up and they're both
still going strong.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I used a Makita orbital for most of the sanding on my Chebacco. I found it
took off lots of material when I wanted it to, but was very easy to control
when a delicate touch was needed. I used up lots of 60 grit discs, got some
use out of the 80s, but anything finer was a waste of money.
I tried a larger disc sander to smooth the hull after glassing, but the
stick-on discs didn't stick -- they flew off at the first opportunity, so I
went back to the Makita, never regretted it.
Jamie Orr
P.S. Both the Makita and my Black and Decker 1/4 sheet palm sander quit
working on this job. After I spent some $ for "servicing", they quit again
-- When I checked myself, I found it was only dust getting in after the
little rubber switch covers disintegrated. Cleaned them up and they're both
still going strong.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Leinweber [mailto:chuck@...]
Sent: February 6, 2002 10:28 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Random Orbital Sanders
Richard:
I have a Porter Cable ROS too and after not much more than a year, the
bearings are going out on mine too. I was thinking I would have to get a
new one, but maybe I should do what you did. Did you send it to PC, or take
it back to the retailer?
I read a review of these handy machines that said the Makita was the most
aggressive of the bunch. The reviewer did not like it for that reason. I
don't think you could get too aggressive for boat building.
Chuck
I have a Porter Cable one. I had to recently return it for
replacement due to the bearings going out.
took off lots of material when I wanted it to, but was very easy to control
when a delicate touch was needed. I used up lots of 60 grit discs, got some
use out of the 80s, but anything finer was a waste of money.
I tried a larger disc sander to smooth the hull after glassing, but the
stick-on discs didn't stick -- they flew off at the first opportunity, so I
went back to the Makita, never regretted it.
Jamie Orr
P.S. Both the Makita and my Black and Decker 1/4 sheet palm sander quit
working on this job. After I spent some $ for "servicing", they quit again
-- When I checked myself, I found it was only dust getting in after the
little rubber switch covers disintegrated. Cleaned them up and they're both
still going strong.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Leinweber [mailto:chuck@...]
Sent: February 6, 2002 10:28 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Random Orbital Sanders
Richard:
I have a Porter Cable ROS too and after not much more than a year, the
bearings are going out on mine too. I was thinking I would have to get a
new one, but maybe I should do what you did. Did you send it to PC, or take
it back to the retailer?
I read a review of these handy machines that said the Makita was the most
aggressive of the bunch. The reviewer did not like it for that reason. I
don't think you could get too aggressive for boat building.
Chuck
I have a Porter Cable one. I had to recently return it for
replacement due to the bearings going out.
--- In bolger@y..., "dvacanti" <mike_vacanti@h...> wrote:
> I want to glass the bottom of my Junebug so I need to strip all the
> paint from the bottom first. I currently have a Makita palm sander
> and an old Craftsman 1/3 sheet sander. Neither are all that great
for
> removing large amounts of wood or coatings. I've heard that a
random
> orbital sander is better at this task. Does anyone have any
> recommendations on a model? I'm willing to spend the extra money to
> get a sander that is up to the job and will last a while. Thanks.
>
> Mike
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Richard:
I have a Porter Cable ROS too and after not much more than a year, the bearings are going out on mine too. I was thinking I would have to get a new one, but maybe I should do what you did. Did you send it to PC, or take it back to the retailer?
I read a review of these handy machines that said the Makita was the most aggressive of the bunch. The reviewer did not like it for that reason. I don't think you could get too aggressive for boat building.
Chuck
I have a Porter Cable one. I had to recently return it for
replacement due to the bearings going out.
I have a Porter Cable ROS too and after not much more than a year, the bearings are going out on mine too. I was thinking I would have to get a new one, but maybe I should do what you did. Did you send it to PC, or take it back to the retailer?
I read a review of these handy machines that said the Makita was the most aggressive of the bunch. The reviewer did not like it for that reason. I don't think you could get too aggressive for boat building.
Chuck
I have a Porter Cable one. I had to recently return it for
replacement due to the bearings going out.
--- In bolger@y..., "dvacanti" <mike_vacanti@h...> wrote:
> I want to glass the bottom of my Junebug so I need to strip all the
> paint from the bottom first. I currently have a Makita palm sander
> and an old Craftsman 1/3 sheet sander. Neither are all that great
for
> removing large amounts of wood or coatings. I've heard that a
random
> orbital sander is better at this task. Does anyone have any
> recommendations on a model? I'm willing to spend the extra money to
> get a sander that is up to the job and will last a while. Thanks.
>
> Mike
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I have a Porter Cable one. I had to recently return it for
replacement due to the bearings going out.
replacement due to the bearings going out.
--- In bolger@y..., "dvacanti" <mike_vacanti@h...> wrote:
> I want to glass the bottom of my Junebug so I need to strip all the
> paint from the bottom first. I currently have a Makita palm sander
> and an old Craftsman 1/3 sheet sander. Neither are all that great
for
> removing large amounts of wood or coatings. I've heard that a
random
> orbital sander is better at this task. Does anyone have any
> recommendations on a model? I'm willing to spend the extra money to
> get a sander that is up to the job and will last a while. Thanks.
>
> Mike
Harbor Freight often has an Air driven one, if you have a compressor.
HJ
dbaldnz wrote:
HJ
dbaldnz wrote:
>
> Hi Mike, I have 3 types of sanders, and use the random orbital 90% of
> the time. I bought an Italian Rupes about 15 years ago. They were
> the original I believe. Stripped a 30ft trimaran back to bare
> wood...no trouble. It is quite hard to damage your timber with this
> type, yet using coarse disks you can cut real quickly. And they are
> good for finishing as well.
> I have heard Makita and Hitachi are just as good as Rupes,
> DonB
>
>
I have a Metabo SXE450 Duo and love it. The 'Duo' means it has two
radii of movement, 3mm and 6mm if I remember correctly, which I've
found very useful; most ROS's only have one. It also has variable
speed and a dust port. The only drawback I've found to date is
that it stops rather slowly.
That said, the last time I had to remove paint I used a scraper.
The paint was so soft it would clog sandpaper in no time.
Sakari Aaltonen
radii of movement, 3mm and 6mm if I remember correctly, which I've
found very useful; most ROS's only have one. It also has variable
speed and a dust port. The only drawback I've found to date is
that it stops rather slowly.
That said, the last time I had to remove paint I used a scraper.
The paint was so soft it would clog sandpaper in no time.
Sakari Aaltonen
Hi Mike, I have 3 types of sanders, and use the random orbital 90% of
the time. I bought an Italian Rupes about 15 years ago. They were
the original I believe. Stripped a 30ft trimaran back to bare
wood...no trouble. It is quite hard to damage your timber with this
type, yet using coarse disks you can cut real quickly. And they are
good for finishing as well.
I have heard Makita and Hitachi are just as good as Rupes,
DonB
the time. I bought an Italian Rupes about 15 years ago. They were
the original I believe. Stripped a 30ft trimaran back to bare
wood...no trouble. It is quite hard to damage your timber with this
type, yet using coarse disks you can cut real quickly. And they are
good for finishing as well.
I have heard Makita and Hitachi are just as good as Rupes,
DonB
--- In bolger@y..., "dvacanti" <mike_vacanti@h...> wrote:
> I want to glass the bottom of my Junebug so I need to strip all the
> paint from the bottom first. I currently have a Makita palm sander
> and an old Craftsman 1/3 sheet sander. Neither are all that great
for
> removing large amounts of wood or coatings. I've heard that a
random
> orbital sander is better at this task. Does anyone have any
> recommendations on a model? I'm willing to spend the extra money to
> get a sander that is up to the job and will last a while. Thanks.
>
> Mike
I want to glass the bottom of my Junebug so I need to strip all the
paint from the bottom first. I currently have a Makita palm sander
and an old Craftsman 1/3 sheet sander. Neither are all that great for
removing large amounts of wood or coatings. I've heard that a random
orbital sander is better at this task. Does anyone have any
recommendations on a model? I'm willing to spend the extra money to
get a sander that is up to the job and will last a while. Thanks.
Mike
paint from the bottom first. I currently have a Makita palm sander
and an old Craftsman 1/3 sheet sander. Neither are all that great for
removing large amounts of wood or coatings. I've heard that a random
orbital sander is better at this task. Does anyone have any
recommendations on a model? I'm willing to spend the extra money to
get a sander that is up to the job and will last a while. Thanks.
Mike