Re: [bolger] birdwatcher
> craig o'donnell <dadadata@...> wrote:Google doesn't immediately reveal how
> >Are there other better options for moving
> >a tiller inboard with a pointy stern?
>
> Norwegian tiller.
a Norwegian tiller works, but it tells
enough to suggest that it is very similar
to the Birdwatcher 1 tiller linkage. ???
Everything is a compromise. The addition of foam in the floor and the bottom of the deck reduces the space inside by a couple of inches. The big rig on BW II moves the center of effort forward and necessitates a longer centerboard to move the center of lateral resistance forward (and the longer centerboard trunk chops up the open space which exists forward of the cb trunk in BW I). The new tiller gains a little room to swing (you can put the helm over farther) but intrudes a little bit more into the main part of the cabin/cockpit. The new rudder probably has a better feel, but the first time you run aground with it, its geometry will cause the stern to jump up or "polevault" which can't be good for the gudgeons and pintles. Trade offs, trade offs, trade offs! As an example of Phil Bolger pursuing a unique design to its logical conclusions (regardless of the consequences), BW I is classic. Birdwatcher simultaneously addresses the problems of getting a useable cockpit and cabin in a small, shallow draft boat and the problems of providing some assurance against the peril of capsize. Of course it does look kinda funny...
John T
John T
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hallman
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] birdwatcher
John B. Trussell wrote:
> I think that, with the possible exception of the new tiller arrangement (which offers a l> little more swing than the original) and the self draining anchor compartment, I prefer > the lightness and simplicity of the "stark" Birdwatcher I with the solent rig.
Yes, though, the more I consider Bolger's recent refinements, the more
I appreciate his design(s).
The insulation on the floor would certainly be cozy.
If you like the solent lug rig over the original sprit rig,
I don't see much more hassle adding the bowsprit spar.
You probably noticed the Birdwatcher in the article had
the more simple sprit sail [with an added polytarp jib].
I bet that the ballast of the steel in the new centerboard
improves the sailing power of the boat. Do you think it
is simply a solid piece if 1/4" steel plate?
The afterdeck certainly would make a great swimming
or decent fishing platform.
I have reservations about the hard hatches for the slot,
but maybe Bolger has some clever idea how to stow them.
I am not convinced that the rounded bow appendage would
be needed with the 1 1/2 foam on the bottom acting as
sound deadening..
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>Are there other better options for movingNorwegian tiller.
>a tiller inboard with a pointy stern?
>This configuration is interesting to me becauseCheap perhaps but complexity is bad.
>it is 'new' to Bolger. Over time, one can see
>Bolger re-using ideas, cookie cutter, on his
>design and this idea is new. With home made
>UHWM pullies this tiller arrangement might just
>work and be cheap too!
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>I know of no other boats with this afterdeck, but theA bugeye patent stern was a rectangular addition to a sharp-sterned boat.
>text calls it "a modified patent stern or pinked stern,
>depending on your geography".
Chesapeake Bay.
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Bruce,
You'll soon find a few examples of the Pinky hull by using Google. Or
you could start here:
http://www.thomasecolvin.com/pinkies.htm
Chapelle favoured the Pinky stern. Jay R. Benford used to live aboard
a 34' Pinky ketch to his own design. There are 13 pages about it in
his book "Cruising Yachts". There is much discussion of its "Great
Pyramid Rig" -- a way of splitting up a square sail into smaller more
manageable units.
Howard
You'll soon find a few examples of the Pinky hull by using Google. Or
you could start here:
http://www.thomasecolvin.com/pinkies.htm
Chapelle favoured the Pinky stern. Jay R. Benford used to live aboard
a 34' Pinky ketch to his own design. There are 13 pages about it in
his book "Cruising Yachts". There is much discussion of its "Great
Pyramid Rig" -- a way of splitting up a square sail into smaller more
manageable units.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> The afterdeck shows in this partial image
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/Birdwatcher/linkage.gif
>
> as the dashed-dot line. It just lays on top of the
> gunnel, and has a cutout for the off-center mounted
> outboard motor. There is also a cutout in the side
> of the boat for the motor clearance. The lexan
> side windows extend aft, and form the sides
> of the afterdeck which is probably only 1/4" plywood
> edged with 3/4"x 1/ 1/2" strips. The new rudder has
> climbing rungs installed on the trailing edge, so you
> could climb up after a dip, and stand on the afterdeck
> while drying off and before entering the cabin. The
> afterdeck also serves as a place to fasten the
> underhanging motor bracket.
>
> I know of no other boats with this afterdeck, but the
> text calls it "a modified patent stern or pinked stern,
> depending on your geography".
>
> Paul wrote:
> >
> > I'm still trying to visualize the afterdeck.
The afterdeck shows in this partial image
http://hallman.org/bolger/Birdwatcher/linkage.gif
as the dashed-dot line. It just lays on top of the
gunnel, and has a cutout for the off-center mounted
outboard motor. There is also a cutout in the side
of the boat for the motor clearance. The lexan
side windows extend aft, and form the sides
of the afterdeck which is probably only 1/4" plywood
edged with 3/4"x 1/ 1/2" strips. The new rudder has
climbing rungs installed on the trailing edge, so you
could climb up after a dip, and stand on the afterdeck
while drying off and before entering the cabin. The
afterdeck also serves as a place to fasten the
underhanging motor bracket.
I know of no other boats with this afterdeck, but the
text calls it "a modified patent stern or pinked stern,
depending on your geography".
Paul wrote:
http://hallman.org/bolger/Birdwatcher/linkage.gif
as the dashed-dot line. It just lays on top of the
gunnel, and has a cutout for the off-center mounted
outboard motor. There is also a cutout in the side
of the boat for the motor clearance. The lexan
side windows extend aft, and form the sides
of the afterdeck which is probably only 1/4" plywood
edged with 3/4"x 1/ 1/2" strips. The new rudder has
climbing rungs installed on the trailing edge, so you
could climb up after a dip, and stand on the afterdeck
while drying off and before entering the cabin. The
afterdeck also serves as a place to fasten the
underhanging motor bracket.
I know of no other boats with this afterdeck, but the
text calls it "a modified patent stern or pinked stern,
depending on your geography".
Paul wrote:
>
> I'm still trying to visualize the afterdeck.
I'm still trying to visualize the afterdeck. Are there any other
boats out there this size that have an afterdeck? I kind of liked how
the original Birdwatcher sides angled down.
thanks,
Paul
boats out there this size that have an afterdeck? I kind of liked how
the original Birdwatcher sides angled down.
thanks,
Paul
> 20) Lexan sides extend as 'low rail' panels of after deck.
Howard Stephenson wrote:
because I meant "Phil Bolger & Friends".
Most everything in the last decade (+/-), I believe, is collaborative.
Yeah, the cams could be cut from 3/4" CDX plywood scrap,
edge routed with a 5/8" half round routerbit, and then edge
sealed with epoxy. The 'cables' could be galvanized cable
or dacron rope. The pulleys could be home made from
UHMW, I just made dozens of them, averaging perhaps
15 minutes each. The tension springs sell at my local
hardware store for $5 or so.
> It's more than possible Mrs Bolger is responsible for it.You may have noticed I wrote "Bolger" not "Phil Bolger"
because I meant "Phil Bolger & Friends".
Most everything in the last decade (+/-), I believe, is collaborative.
Yeah, the cams could be cut from 3/4" CDX plywood scrap,
edge routed with a 5/8" half round routerbit, and then edge
sealed with epoxy. The 'cables' could be galvanized cable
or dacron rope. The pulleys could be home made from
UHMW, I just made dozens of them, averaging perhaps
15 minutes each. The tension springs sell at my local
hardware store for $5 or so.
It's more than possible Mrs Bolger is responsible for it. I think it
could provide a solution to another common design problem: how to
steer a boat with a a rudder-post aft of the mizzen-mast, but too
close to provide room for a tiller mounted on the rudder post. The
port and starboard lengths of connecting cable would have to be
separated enough to clear the mast.
Howard
could provide a solution to another common design problem: how to
steer a boat with a a rudder-post aft of the mizzen-mast, but too
close to provide room for a tiller mounted on the rudder post. The
port and starboard lengths of connecting cable would have to be
separated enough to clear the mast.
Howard
> This configuration is interesting to me because
> it is 'new' to Bolger. Over time, one can see
> Bolger re-using ideas, cookie cutter, on his
> design and this idea is new. With home made
> UHWM pullies this tiller arrangement might just
> work and be cheap too!
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/Birdwatcher/linkage.gif
craig o'donnell wrote:
of his creativity has yet to solve the problem
of manipulating a pointy-stern mounted
rudder with an inboard tiller.
Are there other better options for moving
a tiller inboard with a pointy stern?
This configuration is interesting to me because
it is 'new' to Bolger. Over time, one can see
Bolger re-using ideas, cookie cutter, on his
design and this idea is new. With home made
UHWM pullies this tiller arrangement might just
work and be cheap too!
http://hallman.org/bolger/Birdwatcher/linkage.gif
> >11) Cable, cam and pulley linkage from tiller to rudder.Bolger probably would agree, but a lifetime
> >[a new Bolger configuration to my knowledge.]
>
> Ahhh, still too complicated.
of his creativity has yet to solve the problem
of manipulating a pointy-stern mounted
rudder with an inboard tiller.
Are there other better options for moving
a tiller inboard with a pointy stern?
This configuration is interesting to me because
it is 'new' to Bolger. Over time, one can see
Bolger re-using ideas, cookie cutter, on his
design and this idea is new. With home made
UHWM pullies this tiller arrangement might just
work and be cheap too!
http://hallman.org/bolger/Birdwatcher/linkage.gif
>On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:00:41 -0000, pvanderwaart =After repeated trips to the newstand, I finally found the new
> Hell, here I am in the US of A and my July/Aug issue has not
> arrived. I'm waiting for a return e-mail from WB.
issue only four days ago, and the newstand guy explained that
his deliveries of Wooden Boat are often erratic.
> Is there anyone who could scan the birdwatcher article and post itHell, here I am in the US of A and my July/Aug issue has not
> for us salivating but information-starved non-americans?
arrived. I'm waiting for a return e-mail from WB.
>Old one needs better cleat such as Jonesport cleat or a samson post.
>3) Two mooring cleats forward instead of one.
>4) Self draining wells, w/ hatches, both forwardI thought about adding a well to mine when rebuilding.
>and aft. Below these compartments is added
>about 4 CF of foam.
>
>7) Pair of 55W solar panels.Makes sense on top of the side "deck/roofs" on an old one too.
>11) Cable, cam and pulley linkage from tiller to rudder.Ahhh, still too complicated.
>[a new Bolger configuration to my knowledge.]
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hello everybody,
had no success trying to get my hands on a copy of WoodenBoat here in
Austria.
Is there anyone who could scan the birdwatcher article and post it
for us salivating but information-starved non-americans?
hannes
had no success trying to get my hands on a copy of WoodenBoat here in
Austria.
Is there anyone who could scan the birdwatcher article and post it
for us salivating but information-starved non-americans?
hannes
On 12 Jul 2004 at 10:45, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:39:10 -0000, dnjost wrote:
> > Has everyone read the latest Wooden Boat? It has a wonderful
> > article on Birdwatcher with the Birdwatcher II modifications. It
> > was very enlightening for me.
>
John B. Trussell wrote:
I appreciate his design(s).
The insulation on the floor would certainly be cozy.
If you like the solent lug rig over the original sprit rig,
I don't see much more hassle adding the bowsprit spar.
You probably noticed the Birdwatcher in the article had
the more simple sprit sail [with an added polytarp jib].
I bet that the ballast of the steel in the new centerboard
improves the sailing power of the boat. Do you think it
is simply a solid piece if 1/4" steel plate?
The afterdeck certainly would make a great swimming
or decent fishing platform.
I have reservations about the hard hatches for the slot,
but maybe Bolger has some clever idea how to stow them.
I am not convinced that the rounded bow appendage would
be needed with the 1 1/2 foam on the bottom acting as
sound deadening..
> I think that, with the possible exception of the new tiller arrangement (which offers a l> little more swing than the original) and the self draining anchor compartment, I prefer > the lightness and simplicity of the "stark" Birdwatcher I with the solent rig.Yes, though, the more I consider Bolger's recent refinements, the more
I appreciate his design(s).
The insulation on the floor would certainly be cozy.
If you like the solent lug rig over the original sprit rig,
I don't see much more hassle adding the bowsprit spar.
You probably noticed the Birdwatcher in the article had
the more simple sprit sail [with an added polytarp jib].
I bet that the ballast of the steel in the new centerboard
improves the sailing power of the boat. Do you think it
is simply a solid piece if 1/4" steel plate?
The afterdeck certainly would make a great swimming
or decent fishing platform.
I have reservations about the hard hatches for the slot,
but maybe Bolger has some clever idea how to stow them.
I am not convinced that the rounded bow appendage would
be needed with the 1 1/2 foam on the bottom acting as
sound deadening..
Bruce--Your analysis tracks with mine, except that the Birdwatcher II weighs about 200 lbs more than Birdwatcher I. I think that, with the possible exception of the new tiller arrangement (which offers a little more swing than the original) and the self draining anchor compartment, I prefer the lightness and simplicity of the "stark" Birdwatcher I with the solent rig. But different sailors like things a little bit different, and Bolger and Friends is responding to the requests of their customers. I note that both sets of plans continue to be available...
John T
John T
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hallman
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] birdwatcher
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:39:10 -0000, dnjost wrote:
> Has everyone read the latest Wooden Boat? It has a wonderful article
> on Birdwatcher with the Birdwatcher II modifications. It was very
> enlightening for me.
Here is my read of the Birdwatcher II modifications
1) Foot and luff dimensions of solent lug main sail are slightly changed.
2) Jib sail enlarged from 41 sf to 71 sf, with added off center
bow sprit pole for tack, and the head of the jib is fastened
higher near the top of the mast.
3) Two mooring cleats forward instead of one.
4) Self draining wells, w/ hatches, both forward
and aft. Below these compartments is added
about 4 CF of foam.
5) 1 1/2" foam overlay of the bottom and deck. (sides too?)
If bottom and deck only, adds about 10 CF buoyancy.
6) Two lead acid batteries, (probably T105's) in a port side
box in forward compartment box, seating height.
7) Pair of 55W solar panels.
8) Lengthened off-center board trunk, to about 6'2"
9) "a long steel-ballasted centerboard"
10) redesigned rudder, with boarding steps.
11) Cable, cam and pulley linkage from tiller to rudder.
[a new Bolger configuration to my knowledge.]
12) the redesigned rudder now rakes forward and pivots different.
13) 5' x 3'6" 'pinked' after deck.
14) Rowing seat is shorter, (as bottom is higher due to 1 1/2" foam)
15) Anti-phlumping plywood pad added to forward bottom.
16) Revised companionway 'doors'.
17) Hard 'Birdwatcher slot' hatches, the aftermost is hinged and
the forwardmost has a 'ventilation' hood? Where do these
hatches stow?
18) Two stern mounted, raked, flag staffs serve as termination
point of lexan windows.
19) Off center motor mount, for 2 HP outboard through
well in after deck.
20) Lexan sides extend as 'low rail' panels of after deck.
21) racks for mast and the sprit are now drawn, (but not
the gaff?)
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:39:10 -0000, dnjost wrote:
1) Foot and luff dimensions of solent lug main sail are slightly changed.
2) Jib sail enlarged from 41 sf to 71 sf, with added off center
bow sprit pole for tack, and the head of the jib is fastened
higher near the top of the mast.
3) Two mooring cleats forward instead of one.
4) Self draining wells, w/ hatches, both forward
and aft. Below these compartments is added
about 4 CF of foam.
5) 1 1/2" foam overlay of the bottom and deck. (sides too?)
If bottom and deck only, adds about 10 CF buoyancy.
6) Two lead acid batteries, (probably T105's) in a port side
box in forward compartment box, seating height.
7) Pair of 55W solar panels.
8) Lengthened off-center board trunk, to about 6'2"
9) "a long steel-ballasted centerboard"
10) redesigned rudder, with boarding steps.
11) Cable, cam and pulley linkage from tiller to rudder.
[a new Bolger configuration to my knowledge.]
12) the redesigned rudder now rakes forward and pivots different.
13) 5' x 3'6" 'pinked' after deck.
14) Rowing seat is shorter, (as bottom is higher due to 1 1/2" foam)
15) Anti-phlumping plywood pad added to forward bottom.
16) Revised companionway 'doors'.
17) Hard 'Birdwatcher slot' hatches, the aftermost is hinged and
the forwardmost has a 'ventilation' hood? Where do these
hatches stow?
18) Two stern mounted, raked, flag staffs serve as termination
point of lexan windows.
19) Off center motor mount, for 2 HP outboard through
well in after deck.
20) Lexan sides extend as 'low rail' panels of after deck.
21) racks for mast and the sprit are now drawn, (but not
the gaff?)
> Has everyone read the latest Wooden Boat? It has a wonderful articleHere is my read of the Birdwatcher II modifications
> on Birdwatcher with the Birdwatcher II modifications. It was very
> enlightening for me.
1) Foot and luff dimensions of solent lug main sail are slightly changed.
2) Jib sail enlarged from 41 sf to 71 sf, with added off center
bow sprit pole for tack, and the head of the jib is fastened
higher near the top of the mast.
3) Two mooring cleats forward instead of one.
4) Self draining wells, w/ hatches, both forward
and aft. Below these compartments is added
about 4 CF of foam.
5) 1 1/2" foam overlay of the bottom and deck. (sides too?)
If bottom and deck only, adds about 10 CF buoyancy.
6) Two lead acid batteries, (probably T105's) in a port side
box in forward compartment box, seating height.
7) Pair of 55W solar panels.
8) Lengthened off-center board trunk, to about 6'2"
9) "a long steel-ballasted centerboard"
10) redesigned rudder, with boarding steps.
11) Cable, cam and pulley linkage from tiller to rudder.
[a new Bolger configuration to my knowledge.]
12) the redesigned rudder now rakes forward and pivots different.
13) 5' x 3'6" 'pinked' after deck.
14) Rowing seat is shorter, (as bottom is higher due to 1 1/2" foam)
15) Anti-phlumping plywood pad added to forward bottom.
16) Revised companionway 'doors'.
17) Hard 'Birdwatcher slot' hatches, the aftermost is hinged and
the forwardmost has a 'ventilation' hood? Where do these
hatches stow?
18) Two stern mounted, raked, flag staffs serve as termination
point of lexan windows.
19) Off center motor mount, for 2 HP outboard through
well in after deck.
20) Lexan sides extend as 'low rail' panels of after deck.
21) racks for mast and the sprit are now drawn, (but not
the gaff?)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Davis" <futabachan@y...> wrote:
Mesasbout...."
Sketches?
We don't need no stinking sketches! If you can't bring your I60, you
could at least bring a half scale working model. Why on a 4' beam it
would be like a folding TIMS. You should be able to slap it together
in a day or so.
Bruce Hector
Who'll happily drool over whatever PB&F sketch up anyday.
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Susan Davis wrote: "the Insolent 60sketches will definitely put in an appearance at the Kingston
Mesasbout...."
Sketches?
We don't need no stinking sketches! If you can't bring your I60, you
could at least bring a half scale working model. Why on a 4' beam it
would be like a folding TIMS. You should be able to slap it together
in a day or so.
Bruce Hector
Who'll happily drool over whatever PB&F sketch up anyday.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, hal <hal@c...> wrote:
the sketches will definitely put in an appearance at the Kingston
Mesasbout....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>I'll try to post some digital camera photos when I get a chance. And
> On Jun 15, 2004, at 5:21 PM, David Ryan wrote:
> >
> >> And David, we haven't quit our begging to see scans from
> >> the latest 'blue tube' you got from PB&F. <g>
> >
> > Sorry, I don't have a scanner that does 24"x36" sheets.
>
> Take a good picture of the 24x36 sheets and post them?!
the sketches will definitely put in an appearance at the Kingston
Mesasbout....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
I was surprised that they said "You have to sit on the mast head to keep her
on her beam's ends." I thought being stable on its side was one of the
"features" for watching fish. Seems like I remember the book's write-up as
saying they would capsize it for fun, but felt guilty because so many people
rushed to their rescue.
Roger
derbyrm@...
derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
on her beam's ends." I thought being stable on its side was one of the
"features" for watching fish. Seems like I remember the book's write-up as
saying they would capsize it for fun, but felt guilty because so many people
rushed to their rescue.
Roger
derbyrm@...
derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
> >Has everyone read the latest Wooden Boat? It has a wonderful article
> >on Birdwatcher with the Birdwatcher II modifications. It was very
> >enlightening for me.
Tape 'em on the wall and use a digital camera. (Have enough ambient light
that the auto-focus works.)
Roger
derbyrm@...
derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
that the auto-focus works.)
Roger
derbyrm@...
derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
<snip>
> >And David, we haven't quit our begging to see scans from
> >the latest 'blue tube' you got from PB&F. <g>
>
> Sorry, I don't have a scanner that does 24"x36" sheets.
<snip>
On Jun 15, 2004, at 5:21 PM, David Ryan wrote:
We are really curious.
hal
>Take a good picture of the 24x36 sheets and post them?!
>> And David, we haven't quit our begging to see scans from
>> the latest 'blue tube' you got from PB&F. <g>
>
> Sorry, I don't have a scanner that does 24"x36" sheets.
We are really curious.
hal
>David, you are holding out, what else did Phil and SusanneDuring our conversation, I confessed to Phil and Suzanne that if I
>tell you?
had it to do over again I'd build the Birdwatcher instead of the
Light Scooner. In response, Phil told me about a happy Birdwatcher
owner who found himself beating out on Lake Champlain on a blustery
day. The whitecaps were tall enough to be breaking against the
windows, but his daughter (who didn't really like sailing and was
afraid of the water) never looked up from her book.
>And David, we haven't quit our begging to see scans fromSorry, I don't have a scanner that does 24"x36" sheets.
>the latest 'blue tube' you got from PB&F. <g>
>How do you measure freeboard in a Birdwatcher-typeI think to the top of the window, unless you're on beam ends, in
>boat, up from the water *plus* across to the edge of
>the slot?
which case to the edge of the slot. Fortunately at that point the
slot is on the lee side of the boat.
>Isn't the main criticism: keeping the slot watertight from rain?I believe the slot on the Jochem's is described as weather tight with
>
>Is a leaky slot a problem in my imagination only, or is it
>a problem in practice too?
hatches closed. Hopefully whatever lessons were learned from that
design have found there way into the I60. No slot/hatch details on
the drawings fill sent last Winter.
YIBB,
David
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David, you are holding out, what else did Phil and Susanne
tell you?
And David, we haven't quit our begging to see scans from
the latest 'blue tube' you got from PB&F. <g>
Must be the July issue of Wooden Boat, because I just came
back from the West Marine store [sticker shock all around]
and their magazine rack only has the May/June issue,
which doesn't have the Birdwatcher article.
I covet a new 4 stroke outboard, but I hate to pay more
for the motor than I did for my boat! [or my car's bluebook $]
How do you measure freeboard in a Birdwatcher-type
boat, up from the water *plus* across to the edge of
the slot?
Isn't the main criticism: keeping the slot watertight from rain?
Is a leaky slot a problem in my imagination only, or is it
a problem in practice too?
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:44:37 -0400, David Ryan
<david@...> wrote:
tell you?
And David, we haven't quit our begging to see scans from
the latest 'blue tube' you got from PB&F. <g>
Must be the July issue of Wooden Boat, because I just came
back from the West Marine store [sticker shock all around]
and their magazine rack only has the May/June issue,
which doesn't have the Birdwatcher article.
I covet a new 4 stroke outboard, but I hate to pay more
for the motor than I did for my boat! [or my car's bluebook $]
How do you measure freeboard in a Birdwatcher-type
boat, up from the water *plus* across to the edge of
the slot?
Isn't the main criticism: keeping the slot watertight from rain?
Is a leaky slot a problem in my imagination only, or is it
a problem in practice too?
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:44:37 -0400, David Ryan
<david@...> wrote:
>
> >Has everyone read the latest Wooden Boat? It has a wonderful article
> >on Birdwatcher with the Birdwatcher II modifications. It was very
> >enlightening for me.
> >
> >I love the vertical reefing arrangement depicted.
>
> When I spoke with Phil and Susan several months ago they were very
> excited about the upcoming Birdwatcher article in wooden boat. From
> Phil's comments on the Jochem's Schooner tape, he regards the
> birdwatcher type as his one truly unique contribution to boat design,
> born of his willingness to embrace and explore the possibilities
> offered by sheet materials, both transparent and opaque. Indeed the
> Insolent60 can be viewed as an extravagant extension of the
> Birdwater's simple theme.
>
> Which reminds me, time to send another query. The Birdwatcher mods
> out of the way, the I60 should be finished soon!
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
> --
>Has everyone read the latest Wooden Boat? It has a wonderful articleWhen I spoke with Phil and Susan several months ago they were very
>on Birdwatcher with the Birdwatcher II modifications. It was very
>enlightening for me.
>
>I love the vertical reefing arrangement depicted.
excited about the upcoming Birdwatcher article in wooden boat. From
Phil's comments on the Jochem's Schooner tape, he regards the
birdwatcher type as his one truly unique contribution to boat design,
born of his willingness to embrace and explore the possibilities
offered by sheet materials, both transparent and opaque. Indeed the
Insolent60 can be viewed as an extravagant extension of the
Birdwater's simple theme.
Which reminds me, time to send another query. The Birdwatcher mods
out of the way, the I60 should be finished soon!
YIBB,
David
--
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
Has everyone read the latest Wooden Boat? It has a wonderful article
on Birdwatcher with the Birdwatcher II modifications. It was very
enlightening for me.
I love the vertical reefing arrangement depicted.
David Jost
on Birdwatcher with the Birdwatcher II modifications. It was very
enlightening for me.
I love the vertical reefing arrangement depicted.
David Jost
$250, design number 496
I, too, am curious about the PB&F price for these plans.
I, too, am curious about the PB&F price for these plans.
>
> Also, the database is missing the "Design #" for Birdwatcher.
>(Someone in the group could look up Birdwatcher in their copyI could easily be wrong [but based on my recent read of the MAIB
> of Messing About In Boats and post the price.)
index], it looks like Birdwatcher has never been a "Bolger on Design"
article in MAIB, though I know that a "cartoon" was in the Small Boat
Journal long ago.
The database shows that plans are also available from HH Payson for
$60. I, too, am curious about the PB&F price for these plans.
Also, the database is missing the "Design #" for Birdwatcher.
Perfect opportunity to check the database listing on the web site!
$60 from Payson. $250 from Mr. Bolger. Your call. I got mine from
Payson. Note: you get the designers support from Mr Bolger. Here is
Payson's site:
http://www.instantboats.com/pricetxt.html
$60 from Payson. $250 from Mr. Bolger. Your call. I got mine from
Payson. Note: you get the designers support from Mr Bolger. Here is
Payson's site:
http://www.instantboats.com/pricetxt.html
--- In bolger@y..., "carlson762557" <carlson7@m...> wrote:
> I'm looking for plans for "Birdwatcher". Does anyone know where
they
> may be found, obtained, or purchased?????????
I have a set I'd sell you mine for what I paid. Never built from so they are legal.
If interested, let me know off line.
Jeff
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If interested, let me know off line.
Jeff
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- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
No kidding, this really works.
Send Phil a fax. He'll tell you how much. (Someone in the group could look
up Birdwatcher in their copy of Messing About In Boats and post the price.)
Phil will fax you back with the price.
Send a check to Phil Bolger & Friends. Include your return address. If you
live in the US, you will get the plans rolled in a tube sent to you via
Priority Mail, usually arriving within the next two or three days.
If you don't have a fax, and you are in a really big hurry, then Express
Mail will get your request for information to Phil the next day. Include
your phone number, if you are in a big hurry, and Phil will probably call
you up to tell you how much.
The plans really do show up Pretty Da(rn) Quick. I've ordered plans myself.
Phil Smith
At 09:54 PM 2/7/02 +0000, you wrote:
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
No kidding, this really works.
Send Phil a fax. He'll tell you how much. (Someone in the group could look
up Birdwatcher in their copy of Messing About In Boats and post the price.)
Phil will fax you back with the price.
Send a check to Phil Bolger & Friends. Include your return address. If you
live in the US, you will get the plans rolled in a tube sent to you via
Priority Mail, usually arriving within the next two or three days.
If you don't have a fax, and you are in a really big hurry, then Express
Mail will get your request for information to Phil the next day. Include
your phone number, if you are in a big hurry, and Phil will probably call
you up to tell you how much.
The plans really do show up Pretty Da(rn) Quick. I've ordered plans myself.
Phil Smith
At 09:54 PM 2/7/02 +0000, you wrote:
>I'm looking for plans for "Birdwatcher". Does anyone know where they
>may be found, obtained, or purchased?????????
I'm looking for plans for "Birdwatcher". Does anyone know where they
may be found, obtained, or purchased?????????
may be found, obtained, or purchased?????????