Re: Most boat for my bucks
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
I have concluded entering every boat (completed plan or concept) from
every PCB article going back to August 1, 1995, near as I can figure.
I still have to put in references from WoodenBoat (I only have these
going back to late '95), Boat Design Quarterly (all), and the 1994
Common Sense catalog. If anyone has collections of magazines (such as
Small Boat) with Bolger articles in them, please enter the references
in the database.
Btw, until Susan came on board, Bolger mentioned the design numbers
for his boats only sporatically. Those of Brick and Mortar are not
included in the Common Sense catalog,
porky
> Does anybody know the design # [and price] for Mortar? [Yetanother
> design missing from the database.]Bruce, et al,
I have concluded entering every boat (completed plan or concept) from
every PCB article going back to August 1, 1995, near as I can figure.
I still have to put in references from WoodenBoat (I only have these
going back to late '95), Boat Design Quarterly (all), and the 1994
Common Sense catalog. If anyone has collections of magazines (such as
Small Boat) with Bolger articles in them, please enter the references
in the database.
Btw, until Susan came on board, Bolger mentioned the design numbers
for his boats only sporatically. Those of Brick and Mortar are not
included in the Common Sense catalog,
porky
Two Bricks connected together with a Mortar would probably still cost
less than $1,000, and be much faster [and weirder].
Does anybody know the design # [and price] for Mortar? [Yet another
design missing from the database.]
Also, anybody know the design # for Brick?
less than $1,000, and be much faster [and weirder].
Does anybody know the design # [and price] for Mortar? [Yet another
design missing from the database.]
Also, anybody know the design # for Brick?
> most fun and utility per $ in a sailboat is a Brick. Very roomy,
It definitely is an open ended question, isn't it? My nomination for
most fun and utility per $ in a sailboat is a Brick. Very roomy,
carries weight, sails well but not fast, VERY simple. Lots of
freeboard for the gators.
most fun and utility per $ in a sailboat is a Brick. Very roomy,
carries weight, sails well but not fast, VERY simple. Lots of
freeboard for the gators.
--- In bolger@y..., "mikestockstill" <mkstocks@b...> wrote:
> How big are the bucks? What kind of boat do you want?
>
> > What is the most boat I can build
> > for limited bucks.
Was that a roll or half roll?
HJ
brucehector wrote:
HJ
brucehector wrote:
>
> How tippy are Bolger's pirogues? See my website for a photo of a
> frozen, wet, miserable boat builder who just completed an
> unintentional eskimo rool in fridgid Canadian spring water. As bolger
> says "best in tropical climes".
>
> Bruce Hector
> www.brucesboats.com
>
I have to differ with the comments below, which appear to apply to
the 12' pirogue, or "Peero". From many reports, this is indeed a
rather tippy, unstable little boat.
The 16' Pirogue, which I have built and own, is quite stable. My kids
and I had it over once, deliberately, to test the flotation. It took
some effort for the three of us to flip it. Of course, it's a narrow
double ender, not a catamaran, but it is considerably more stable
than a round bottom canoe of similar dimensions. I have had it in the
cold waters of the upper Susquehanna River in April, confident that I
wouldn't have to swim. The 8" wide side decks provide added security
against a dunking, assuming things ever got that far,
porky
the 12' pirogue, or "Peero". From many reports, this is indeed a
rather tippy, unstable little boat.
The 16' Pirogue, which I have built and own, is quite stable. My kids
and I had it over once, deliberately, to test the flotation. It took
some effort for the three of us to flip it. Of course, it's a narrow
double ender, not a catamaran, but it is considerably more stable
than a round bottom canoe of similar dimensions. I have had it in the
cold waters of the upper Susquehanna River in April, confident that I
wouldn't have to swim. The 8" wide side decks provide added security
against a dunking, assuming things ever got that far,
porky
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> How tippy are Bolger's pirogues? See my website for a photo of a
> frozen, wet, miserable boat builder who just completed an
> unintentional eskimo rool in fridgid Canadian spring water. As
bolger
> says "best in tropical climes".
>
> Bruce Hector
> www.brucesboats.com
Bruning's is in West End Park on the lake. There are dozens of good
seafood places within one half mile from there. I ate at the Acme
Oyster House and Deanies in Bucktown last week. We have great seafood
and the crawfish are now coming in. It promises to be a great season.
Loy
seafood places within one half mile from there. I ate at the Acme
Oyster House and Deanies in Bucktown last week. We have great seafood
and the crawfish are now coming in. It promises to be a great season.
Loy
--- In bolger@y..., Philip Smith <pbs@w...> wrote:
> Loy wrote: my office is across the street from Lake Pontchartrain
>
> Is Brunnings still at the foot of Canal Street? I remember seeing a
wire
> photo a couple of years ago and it appeared that Brunings had been
blown
> into the parking lot and smashed. I'd like to go back to N'awlins,
darlin'
> and have some more great seafood at Brunings.
>
> Phil Smith
> San Francisco where the crab season is on and the crabs are really
really
> really good this year.
My pirogue is a Louisiana pirogue. It is 14' long and is paddle only.
It has sides which flare 23 degrees and a glassed bottom. I don't
know about the Bolger one, but most pirogues are very tippy. We fish
in bayous with them.
Loy
It has sides which flare 23 degrees and a glassed bottom. I don't
know about the Bolger one, but most pirogues are very tippy. We fish
in bayous with them.
Loy
--- In bolger@y..., "petehodges" <petehodges@y...> wrote:
> Which perogue? The 16' shown on CSB is the one I am interested in
> building.
>
> Just how tippy are the Bolger Perogues?
>
> Thanks
>
> --- In bolger@y..., StepHydro@a... wrote:
> > Loy sez:>>My wife thinks we need new bedroom furniture so my plans
> for
> > building
> > a 20' boat are on hold. BUT, I have the urge to build another boat.
> I
> > have an elegant punt and a Pirogue. What is the most boat I can
> build
> > for limited bucks. Gypsy comes to mind. What is your opinion? I
> have
> > the big Lake Pontchartrain to sail in (40 miles by 25 miles.
> Thanks. >>
> >
> > Loy,
> >
How tippy are Bolger's pirogues? See my website for a photo of a
frozen, wet, miserable boat builder who just completed an
unintentional eskimo rool in fridgid Canadian spring water. As bolger
says "best in tropical climes".
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
frozen, wet, miserable boat builder who just completed an
unintentional eskimo rool in fridgid Canadian spring water. As bolger
says "best in tropical climes".
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
Which perogue? The 16' shown on CSB is the one I am interested in
building.
Just how tippy are the Bolger Perogues?
Thanks
building.
Just how tippy are the Bolger Perogues?
Thanks
--- In bolger@y..., StepHydro@a... wrote:
> Loy sez:>>My wife thinks we need new bedroom furniture so my plans
for
> building
> a 20' boat are on hold. BUT, I have the urge to build another boat.
I
> have an elegant punt and a Pirogue. What is the most boat I can
build
> for limited bucks. Gypsy comes to mind. What is your opinion? I
have
> the big Lake Pontchartrain to sail in (40 miles by 25 miles.
Thanks. >>
>
> Loy,
>
> Use luan wherever you can, throw in some inexpensivepolyurethane
> framing, tape and epoxy the seams only, use store brand
> paint and I bet you could get close to the budget.My boat was 3/8 marine fir. I wouldn't want anything much less.
PHV
I agree with Jamie on the sails, I used Dave Gray's white polytarp
material and had great success with it on my 23 ft schooner. I did
all the sails for $100. They worked very well, I did stitch them
however. I disagree with Peter however. I'm looking at the chapter
on Cynthia J. in "The Folding Schooner" and see 10 sheets of
plywood. Use luan wherever you can, throw in some inexpensive
framing, tape and epoxy the seams only, use store brand polyurethane
paint and I bet you could get close to the budget. You would end up
with a rooming stable and safe boat with camping accomodations.
Steve Bosquette
material and had great success with it on my 23 ft schooner. I did
all the sails for $100. They worked very well, I did stitch them
however. I disagree with Peter however. I'm looking at the chapter
on Cynthia J. in "The Folding Schooner" and see 10 sheets of
plywood. Use luan wherever you can, throw in some inexpensive
framing, tape and epoxy the seams only, use store brand polyurethane
paint and I bet you could get close to the budget. You would end up
with a rooming stable and safe boat with camping accomodations.
Steve Bosquette
--- In bolger@y..., "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@b...> wrote:
> Another two bits:
>
> Sorry for going off on a tangent, but if cost is a concern, the pro-
built
> sail is the first thing to dump. Sailmaking is as much fun as
boatbuilding,
> and you get to do it inside, out of the weather, without epoxy goop
all
> over!
>
> Sailcloth can be expensive, but you can reduce that by searching
out other
> sources, and maybe accepting less than the ideal -- maybe a
different
> weight, width or colour than you wanted. Or go the polytarp route?
>
> Buy your wife a new sewing machine for her birthday! Well, no,
maybe that's
> a bit obvious....
>
> Jamie Orr
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pvanderwaart [mailto:pvanderwaart@y...]
> Sent: February 19, 2002 11:07 AM
> To: bolger@y...
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Most boat for my bucks
>
>
> > It seems like Cynthia J. would meet you needs, and it is Bolger!
>
> I don't think the CJ is going to get under a $1000 budget cap. A
pro-
> built sail is going to cost almost that much.
On Tuesday 19 February 2002 23:30, loyseal1 wrote:
I have a set of plans for Michalak's Toon2, which is the multi-chined
version of the 15ft AF3. This (or the AF3) would have to be about the
most boat I can think of for your money. I figure you should easily get
the boat built for under US$1000. 7 sheets 1/4" ply, 2 sheets 1/2" ply,
taped seam construction. You will still need trailor and either a
motor or rig, but maybe these will quietly materialise while you are
building.
I didn't build Toon2 because I picked up a neglected Hartley TS16
with excellent trailor and rig for A$600 (US$300) (snigger). I am
happy to sell the plans, but they are pretty cheap and it is
probably easier to get them through duckworks.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/toon2/index.htm
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
> What a great response. My original thought before furniture was to<snip>
> build a Long Micro. I will look at AF3 and others.
> I expect I will have less than $1000 toHi Loy,
> spend initially.
I have a set of plans for Michalak's Toon2, which is the multi-chined
version of the 15ft AF3. This (or the AF3) would have to be about the
most boat I can think of for your money. I figure you should easily get
the boat built for under US$1000. 7 sheets 1/4" ply, 2 sheets 1/2" ply,
taped seam construction. You will still need trailor and either a
motor or rig, but maybe these will quietly materialise while you are
building.
I didn't build Toon2 because I picked up a neglected Hartley TS16
with excellent trailor and rig for A$600 (US$300) (snigger). I am
happy to sell the plans, but they are pretty cheap and it is
probably easier to get them through duckworks.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/toon2/index.htm
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
Loy wrote: my office is across the street from Lake Pontchartrain
Is Brunnings still at the foot of Canal Street? I remember seeing a wire
photo a couple of years ago and it appeared that Brunings had been blown
into the parking lot and smashed. I'd like to go back to N'awlins, darlin'
and have some more great seafood at Brunings.
Phil Smith
San Francisco where the crab season is on and the crabs are really really
really good this year.
Is Brunnings still at the foot of Canal Street? I remember seeing a wire
photo a couple of years ago and it appeared that Brunings had been blown
into the parking lot and smashed. I'd like to go back to N'awlins, darlin'
and have some more great seafood at Brunings.
Phil Smith
San Francisco where the crab season is on and the crabs are really really
really good this year.
I would have to agree with peter on this one. I've spent close to $3,000 on
materials already, for mine. (New Zealand dollars, so just over $1,000 US)
and I still haven't got any spars, the sail or a trailer.
Stuart Crawford
New Zealand
on 20/2/02 8:06 AM, pvanderwaart atpvanderwaart@...wrote:
materials already, for mine. (New Zealand dollars, so just over $1,000 US)
and I still haven't got any spars, the sail or a trailer.
Stuart Crawford
New Zealand
on 20/2/02 8:06 AM, pvanderwaart atpvanderwaart@...wrote:
>> It seems like Cynthia J. would meet you needs, and it is Bolger!
>
> I don't think the CJ is going to get under a $1000 budget cap. A pro-
> built sail is going to cost almost that much.
Another two bits:
Sorry for going off on a tangent, but if cost is a concern, the pro-built
sail is the first thing to dump. Sailmaking is as much fun as boatbuilding,
and you get to do it inside, out of the weather, without epoxy goop all
over!
Sailcloth can be expensive, but you can reduce that by searching out other
sources, and maybe accepting less than the ideal -- maybe a different
weight, width or colour than you wanted. Or go the polytarp route?
Buy your wife a new sewing machine for her birthday! Well, no, maybe that's
a bit obvious....
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: pvanderwaart [mailto:pvanderwaart@...]
Sent: February 19, 2002 11:07 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Most boat for my bucks
built sail is going to cost almost that much.
Sorry for going off on a tangent, but if cost is a concern, the pro-built
sail is the first thing to dump. Sailmaking is as much fun as boatbuilding,
and you get to do it inside, out of the weather, without epoxy goop all
over!
Sailcloth can be expensive, but you can reduce that by searching out other
sources, and maybe accepting less than the ideal -- maybe a different
weight, width or colour than you wanted. Or go the polytarp route?
Buy your wife a new sewing machine for her birthday! Well, no, maybe that's
a bit obvious....
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: pvanderwaart [mailto:pvanderwaart@...]
Sent: February 19, 2002 11:07 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Most boat for my bucks
> It seems like Cynthia J. would meet you needs, and it is Bolger!I don't think the CJ is going to get under a $1000 budget cap. A pro-
built sail is going to cost almost that much.
> It seems like Cynthia J. would meet you needs, and it is Bolger!I don't think the CJ is going to get under a $1000 budget cap. A pro-
built sail is going to cost almost that much.
Loy
It seems like Cynthia J. would meet you needs, and it is Bolger!
I beleive there are photos in either the Bolger files or photos
sections or maybe on Bolger2, same locations.
Steve Bosquette
It seems like Cynthia J. would meet you needs, and it is Bolger!
I beleive there are photos in either the Bolger files or photos
sections or maybe on Bolger2, same locations.
Steve Bosquette
--- In bolger@y..., "loyseal1" <loyseal1@y...> wrote:
> What a great response. My original thought before furniture was to
> build a Long Micro. I will look at AF3 and others. When I look at
> Oldshoe, I would want to go ahead and build Micro instead. Yes, I do
> need higher sides than Gypsy. I expect I will have less than $1000
to
> spend initially. Of course we all know how to acquire more boat
> building materials gradually as we go. Thank y'all for answering. By
> the way, my office is across the street from Lake Pontchartrain so I
> get to see the many sailboats on it daily.
> Loy Seal
> New Orleans
What a great response. My original thought before furniture was to
build a Long Micro. I will look at AF3 and others. When I look at
Oldshoe, I would want to go ahead and build Micro instead. Yes, I do
need higher sides than Gypsy. I expect I will have less than $1000 to
spend initially. Of course we all know how to acquire more boat
building materials gradually as we go. Thank y'all for answering. By
the way, my office is across the street from Lake Pontchartrain so I
get to see the many sailboats on it daily.
Loy Seal
New Orleans
build a Long Micro. I will look at AF3 and others. When I look at
Oldshoe, I would want to go ahead and build Micro instead. Yes, I do
need higher sides than Gypsy. I expect I will have less than $1000 to
spend initially. Of course we all know how to acquire more boat
building materials gradually as we go. Thank y'all for answering. By
the way, my office is across the street from Lake Pontchartrain so I
get to see the many sailboats on it daily.
Loy Seal
New Orleans
Have you considered "Oldshoe"? Two masts, lead keel stability, room
for an enclosed head, why,...with a little ingenuity you could add a
bolt on mini house to make it a mini-navigator.
Lots of boat for the money, size and a real conversation starter.
Bolger to boot.
Plans available from PB&F or Common Sense Designs who have a write up
and photos at their website.
Bruce Hector
for an enclosed head, why,...with a little ingenuity you could add a
bolt on mini house to make it a mini-navigator.
Lots of boat for the money, size and a real conversation starter.
Bolger to boot.
Plans available from PB&F or Common Sense Designs who have a write up
and photos at their website.
Bruce Hector
How big are the bucks? What kind of boat do you want?
> What is the most boat I can build
> for limited bucks.
What's even better is that Michalak has Bolger's approval ,and sweet
designs, sweet price.
Luke S
designs, sweet price.
Luke S
----- Original Message -----
From: "rmdeming" <bcsb@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:07 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Most boat for my bucks
> >This is not to say that Bolger hasn't any designs that would suit,
> >but it seems to me that Michalak has "out Bolgered Bolger" when it
> >comes to cheap boats :-)
>
> I agree and the AF3 sounds like an easy boat for not to much money
> and perfect for what you are looking for. I like power, so I just
> ordered the AF4 plans from Michalak (the outboard version of the AF3).
> Rich
Won't you need something a little more gator proof than a Gypsy for
the Ponchartrain? I'm thinking AF3:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/af3/index.htm
Roger S
the Ponchartrain? I'm thinking AF3:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/af3/index.htm
Roger S
--- In bolger@y..., "loyseal1" <loyseal1@y...> wrote:
> My wife thinks we need new bedroom furniture so my plans for
building
> a 20' boat are on hold. BUT, I have the urge to build another
boat. I
> have an elegant punt and a Pirogue. What is the most boat I can
build
> for limited bucks. Gypsy comes to mind. What is your opinion? I
have
> the big Lake Pontchartrain to sail in (40 miles by 25 miles.
Thanks.
> Loy Seal
> New Orleans.
>This is not to say that Bolger hasn't any designs that would suit,I agree and the AF3 sounds like an easy boat for not to much money
>but it seems to me that Michalak has "out Bolgered Bolger" when it
>comes to cheap boats :-)
and perfect for what you are looking for. I like power, so I just
ordered the AF4 plans from Michalak (the outboard version of the AF3).
Rich
Loy sez:>>My wife thinks we need new bedroom furniture so my plans for
building
a 20' boat are on hold. BUT, I have the urge to build another boat. I
have an elegant punt and a Pirogue. What is the most boat I can build
for limited bucks. Gypsy comes to mind. What is your opinion? I have
the big Lake Pontchartrain to sail in (40 miles by 25 miles. Thanks. >>
Loy,
In the early 80s I lived in first Gretna and then LaComb. I have fond
memories of gunkholing the north shore of L. Pon. and esp. the Rigolese :-)
If I were going to put any time on that lake, I'd want a boat with a minimal
cabin. In any kind of a wind even a cool day seems bitter. Plus, with a cabin
boat you can stay out overnight, a big plus. I believe I'd look at one of the
many cheap boats that Jim Michalak has designed, eg Scram Pram, MB II and so
on. This is not to say that Bolger hasn't any designs that would suit, but it
seems to me that Michalak has "out Bolgered Bolger" when it comes to cheap
boats :-)
Cheers/Don Carron
building
a 20' boat are on hold. BUT, I have the urge to build another boat. I
have an elegant punt and a Pirogue. What is the most boat I can build
for limited bucks. Gypsy comes to mind. What is your opinion? I have
the big Lake Pontchartrain to sail in (40 miles by 25 miles. Thanks. >>
Loy,
In the early 80s I lived in first Gretna and then LaComb. I have fond
memories of gunkholing the north shore of L. Pon. and esp. the Rigolese :-)
If I were going to put any time on that lake, I'd want a boat with a minimal
cabin. In any kind of a wind even a cool day seems bitter. Plus, with a cabin
boat you can stay out overnight, a big plus. I believe I'd look at one of the
many cheap boats that Jim Michalak has designed, eg Scram Pram, MB II and so
on. This is not to say that Bolger hasn't any designs that would suit, but it
seems to me that Michalak has "out Bolgered Bolger" when it comes to cheap
boats :-)
Cheers/Don Carron
My wife thinks we need new bedroom furniture so my plans for building
a 20' boat are on hold. BUT, I have the urge to build another boat. I
have an elegant punt and a Pirogue. What is the most boat I can build
for limited bucks. Gypsy comes to mind. What is your opinion? I have
the big Lake Pontchartrain to sail in (40 miles by 25 miles. Thanks.
Loy Seal
New Orleans.
a 20' boat are on hold. BUT, I have the urge to build another boat. I
have an elegant punt and a Pirogue. What is the most boat I can build
for limited bucks. Gypsy comes to mind. What is your opinion? I have
the big Lake Pontchartrain to sail in (40 miles by 25 miles. Thanks.
Loy Seal
New Orleans.