Re: Hot shot racer
Thanks Howard, it sounds like a Bolger version of the 49er or
something like that.
Andy
something like that.
Andy
--- In bolger@y..., stephensonhw@a... wrote:
> It's in the database. Spelling is Archaeopteryx. Doubt if you'll
find any
> pictures on the web -- it's an old design -- but it features in
"Small
> Boats", Bolger's first book, I think.
>
> It has a very simple scow hull, two-sail rig (106 sq.ft. total) and
> outriggers for the two-person crew to hike out on. You could
probably make it
> lighter and simpler by eliminating the outriggers and using twin
trapezes. If
> you could get a suitable second-hand suit of sails, spars and
rigging, you
> could build a cheap speedster.
>
> Howard
> .
>
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
It's in the database. Spelling is Archaeopteryx. Doubt if you'll find any
pictures on the web -- it's an old design -- but it features in "Small
Boats", Bolger's first book, I think.
It has a very simple scow hull, two-sail rig (106 sq.ft. total) and
outriggers for the two-person crew to hike out on. You could probably make it
lighter and simpler by eliminating the outriggers and using twin trapezes. If
you could get a suitable second-hand suit of sails, spars and rigging, you
could build a cheap speedster.
Howard
.
pictures on the web -- it's an old design -- but it features in "Small
Boats", Bolger's first book, I think.
It has a very simple scow hull, two-sail rig (106 sq.ft. total) and
outriggers for the two-person crew to hike out on. You could probably make it
lighter and simpler by eliminating the outriggers and using twin trapezes. If
you could get a suitable second-hand suit of sails, spars and rigging, you
could build a cheap speedster.
Howard
.
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> Cool, this is a P. Bolger vessel?? Anyone have a picture or two,
> drawing perhaps a web page? Does anyone know the correct spelling
> this would help in future requests.
>
> Andy Moore
> Nova Scotia
> Canada
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "rnlocnil" <lincolnr@m...> wrote:
> > A cheap way to increase speed thrills is to make the boat small (and
> > fast). How about Archeopteryx? (No, I don't really know how to spell
> > it?) Of course the biggest speed thrill is a sail board (i.e.
> > Windsurfer), but then you can't go along with him. I think
> Archopteryx
> > may meet your requirements if size isn't one of them.
>
>
>
Lucky you!
"Pine" usually means Englemann or Sitka (probably new growth) spruce
or Lodgepole pine; when you see "Whitewood" or "Western Wood", you
could also get Ponderosa, Sugar, or White pine or Mountain hemlock or
Alpine fir. Douglas fir, which is splintery to work, is up to about
1/3 stronger than the worst grades of Whitewood. All come from the
Western America - Oregon, Washington, N. California, Idaho, W.
Montana and are commonly available in hardware stores in the
US. "Number 2 common" grade is two grades below "Select" and #1,
which are "appearance" grades (vs "construction" ), with a fine
appearance and small "pin" knots which should be tight.
More info on Western U.S. woods:http://www.wwpa.org/pdf/A.pdf
Gregg Carlson
"Pine" usually means Englemann or Sitka (probably new growth) spruce
or Lodgepole pine; when you see "Whitewood" or "Western Wood", you
could also get Ponderosa, Sugar, or White pine or Mountain hemlock or
Alpine fir. Douglas fir, which is splintery to work, is up to about
1/3 stronger than the worst grades of Whitewood. All come from the
Western America - Oregon, Washington, N. California, Idaho, W.
Montana and are commonly available in hardware stores in the
US. "Number 2 common" grade is two grades below "Select" and #1,
which are "appearance" grades (vs "construction" ), with a fine
appearance and small "pin" knots which should be tight.
More info on Western U.S. woods:http://www.wwpa.org/pdf/A.pdf
Gregg Carlson
--- In bolger@y..., "Luke S" <biggie@d...> wrote:
> Nice construction shots Gregg (contstruction shots are always
appealing to
> me). I live in the Antipodes, so what is #2 pine ?
Cool, this is a P. Bolger vessel?? Anyone have a picture or two,
drawing perhaps a web page? Does anyone know the correct spelling
this would help in future requests.
Andy Moore
Nova Scotia
Canada
drawing perhaps a web page? Does anyone know the correct spelling
this would help in future requests.
Andy Moore
Nova Scotia
Canada
--- In bolger@y..., "rnlocnil" <lincolnr@m...> wrote:
> A cheap way to increase speed thrills is to make the boat small (and
> fast). How about Archeopteryx? (No, I don't really know how to spell
> it?) Of course the biggest speed thrill is a sail board (i.e.
> Windsurfer), but then you can't go along with him. I think
Archopteryx
> may meet your requirements if size isn't one of them.
Nice construction shots Gregg (contstruction shots are always appealing to
me). I live in the Antipodes, so what is #2 pine ?
Luke S
me). I live in the Antipodes, so what is #2 pine ?
Luke S
----- Original Message -----
From: "G Carlson" <gcarlson@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:43 PM
Subject: [bolger] Hot shot racer
> I sealed the chambers, too, after swamping and floating awash. Maybe
we'll
etc. Snipped by Luke S
A cheap way to increase speed thrills is to make the boat small (and
fast). How about Archeopteryx? (No, I don't really know how to spell
it?) Of course the biggest speed thrill is a sail board (i.e.
Windsurfer), but then you can't go along with him. I think Archopteryx
may meet your requirements if size isn't one of them.
fast). How about Archeopteryx? (No, I don't really know how to spell
it?) Of course the biggest speed thrill is a sail board (i.e.
Windsurfer), but then you can't go along with him. I think Archopteryx
may meet your requirements if size isn't one of them.
--- In bolger@y..., "roue20ca" <amoore@h...> wrote:
> As a kid and young adult I liked to race and would race almost
> anything but prefered a red hot racer. Now I am content with a good
> sailing boat that has its strong points. My cousins son (My second
> cousin once removed or something like that, never could keep that
> straight) has expressed a interest in sailing but like my self at
his
> age speed is it and it must be blinding speed on all points of sail.
> I wonder what an, easily built Bolger box might look like if it was
> designed from the ground up to beat a Melges 24, or someother modern
> sport boat. Any suggestions, I don't suppose P. Bolger has aready
> such a boat, has he. I know P. Bolger has designed some
contemporary
> vessels, thats not what I'm asking; I mean a true Bolger Box.
>
> Andy Moore
> Nova Scotia
> Canada
I sealed the chambers, too, after swamping and floating awash. Maybe we'll
get a chance to swamp again this spring. There are pics on my website:
http://www.carlsondesign.com/lscooner.html
The LS is quite fast. We've hit 10-12 knots easily off the wind and even
6.5-7 upwind in a good breeze with a big crew. I'm sure the tacking angle
was fairly broad, but while I have a knotlog, I don't have a compass. A
lot of fun.
Gregg Carlson
get a chance to swamp again this spring. There are pics on my website:
http://www.carlsondesign.com/lscooner.html
The LS is quite fast. We've hit 10-12 knots easily off the wind and even
6.5-7 upwind in a good breeze with a big crew. I'm sure the tacking angle
was fairly broad, but while I have a knotlog, I don't have a compass. A
lot of fun.
Gregg Carlson
>You know, I like the Light Schooner and often find my self going back
>to it. If I built one I think I would seal off the deck/cockpit from
>the inside of the boat and put floats at the top of the masts; the
>idea being to make her more rightable and less swampable.
Thanks, Open Mind vs Head In The Sand ;)
Andy
Andy
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...> wrote:
>
> BWAOM = Boats with an Open Mind.
>
> > Are they multi hulls?
>
> Monohull. Cat as in catboat. Staysail as in all jib, no main.
>
> Peter
BWAOM = Boats with an Open Mind.
Peter
> Are they multi hulls?Monohull. Cat as in catboat. Staysail as in all jib, no main.
Peter
>This is good, can you spell out MWAOM its the second time today I have
> Well, there are a couple of things.
>
> The most exact are the Staysail Cat and the Corsair 24 described in
> MWAOM, Chapter 30. He promises the ability to sail away from a
> Soling or J-24, which is not quite Melges 24 speed, but pretty
> close.
>
seen it and I can't pin point the book. Those boats would catch the
attention of any race crazy kid. Are they multi hulls? I remember
how people were anti multihull around my area. Speed was it but don't
use multihulls. I gave up racing when I realized cruising multihulls
could go as fast as most racing monohulls sometimes faster but people
had thier head stuck in the sand so far they would not accept them.
Nope spend amazing amount of money for fast one designs but don't buy
a multihull. If racing was it buy a cheaper class of boat, we were
all racing one design mostly some club racing handy caps could have
been worked out. If speed was the thrill and I believe it was then
race multihulls; more thrills than Carter has starters. At any rate
I'm interested in the head in the sand fast boat. Hefff, I have not
mouthed off about that pet peave in a long while. Not aimed at any
one just a pet peave.
> In the very next chapter is Tarantula, an adaptation of the Ray HuntThis I would like to see; I always liked the 110 and her big sister
> International 110.
the 210. Good plain, simple and fast.
> However, for fun and derring-do, the Light Schooner is probably hardYou know, I like the Light Schooner and often find my self going back
> to beat. I would bet it's nearly as fast as the Melges would be in
> non-spinnaker mode off the wind. Upwind would be something else.
to it. If I built one I think I would seal off the deck/cockpit from
the inside of the boat and put floats at the top of the masts; the
idea being to make her more rightable and less swampable.
Andy Moore
Nova Scotia
Canada
> I wonder what an, easily built Bolger box might look like if it wasWell, there are a couple of things.
> designed from the ground up to beat a Melges 24, or someother modern
> sport boat.
The most exact are the Staysail Cat and the Corsair 24 described in
MWAOM, Chapter 30. He promises the ability to sail away from a Soling
or J-24, which is not quite Melges 24 speed, but pretty close.
In the very next chapter is Tarantula, an adaptation of the Ray Hunt
International 110.
However, for fun and derring-do, the Light Schooner is probably hard
to beat. I would bet it's nearly as fast as the Melges would be in
non-spinnaker mode off the wind. Upwind would be something else.
Peter
Andy:
The only "fast" Bolger boat that I know about would be his 'Auckland Catamaran' - page 166 BWAOM.
Chuck
The only "fast" Bolger boat that I know about would be his 'Auckland Catamaran' - page 166 BWAOM.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: roue20ca
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:22 AM
Subject: [bolger] Hot shot racer
As a kid and young adult I liked to race and would race almost
anything but prefered a red hot racer. Now I am content with a good
sailing boat that has its strong points. My cousins son (My second
cousin once removed or something like that, never could keep that
straight) has expressed a interest in sailing but like my self at his
age speed is it and it must be blinding speed on all points of sail.
I wonder what an, easily built Bolger box might look like if it was
designed from the ground up to beat a Melges 24, or someother modern
sport boat. Any suggestions, I don't suppose P. Bolger has aready
such a boat, has he. I know P. Bolger has designed some contemporary
vessels, thats not what I'm asking; I mean a true Bolger Box.
Andy Moore
Nova Scotia
Canada
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As a kid and young adult I liked to race and would race almost
anything but prefered a red hot racer. Now I am content with a good
sailing boat that has its strong points. My cousins son (My second
cousin once removed or something like that, never could keep that
straight) has expressed a interest in sailing but like my self at his
age speed is it and it must be blinding speed on all points of sail.
I wonder what an, easily built Bolger box might look like if it was
designed from the ground up to beat a Melges 24, or someother modern
sport boat. Any suggestions, I don't suppose P. Bolger has aready
such a boat, has he. I know P. Bolger has designed some contemporary
vessels, thats not what I'm asking; I mean a true Bolger Box.
Andy Moore
Nova Scotia
Canada
anything but prefered a red hot racer. Now I am content with a good
sailing boat that has its strong points. My cousins son (My second
cousin once removed or something like that, never could keep that
straight) has expressed a interest in sailing but like my self at his
age speed is it and it must be blinding speed on all points of sail.
I wonder what an, easily built Bolger box might look like if it was
designed from the ground up to beat a Melges 24, or someother modern
sport boat. Any suggestions, I don't suppose P. Bolger has aready
such a boat, has he. I know P. Bolger has designed some contemporary
vessels, thats not what I'm asking; I mean a true Bolger Box.
Andy Moore
Nova Scotia
Canada