Re: Bolger's Library
--- In bolger@y..., Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
sold!
starting another potty thread] I recall best the chapter on the
virtues of the good old cedar bucket.
> A simple web search turned up several copies ofAnd...I just got email from Australia that the $100 copy is already
> this [Herreshoff] book.
> The cheapest one I found was over $100, in Australia.
> Several copies were priced at over $200.00.
sold!
> Must be some book.It has been a few years since I last read it, [at the risk of
starting another potty thread] I recall best the chapter on the
virtues of the good old cedar bucket.
One of the neat things is the books are back in print, and most
libraries have them. YOu can get them in paperback from Amazon for $12-
$15 a copy, or better yet support your local bookstore.
HJ
brucehallman wrote:
libraries have them. YOu can get them in paperback from Amazon for $12-
$15 a copy, or better yet support your local bookstore.
HJ
brucehallman wrote:
>
> > Anyway -- I recommend the series to all Bolger builders. It's never
> > too late to have a happy childhood.
> >
> > All best,
> > Garth
>
>http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookDetails?bi=91207905
>
> Look, you can buy the whole set, first edition for only £5000! <grin>
>
>
hello all - from the far off New Zealand where Garth has got some of
his Arthur Ransome books from...
I was 7 years old on an Easter cruise with my family in a 20'
Fibreglass Laurie Davidson (now of Americas Cup fame) Trailer sailer
and my brother gave me a copy of Swallows and Amazons - I instantly
as 7 year old boy fell head over heels in love with Captain Nancy the
gal who could sail as well as any boy...
That said I adore all the books in the series and even in my 30's re
read most of them each year. Am always delighted to see the
references Phil makes to many of the books or characters - esp in his
description of the canal cruiser over at the shantyboats site when he
says "I have been doing narrow water cruising in my mind since I was
7 and read arthur ransome's coot club" or something to that effect
As the most amazing advertisement for no nonsense enjoyable modest
boat adventuring - I can only heartily endorse Phils thoughts on
ransome... I actually even buy up the $1 paperbacks of S&A and give
to my friends with kids... sailing in NZ has got a little boring - as
a kid you either sail a $5000 (yes) P Class 7 foot racing dinghy and
are in the Americas cup crew pipeline or you arent... so
reintroducing the fun and creative parts of sailing is my goal- hence
inventing a new sailing game not too far distant from Phils Priate
racer game - more on this in another post
Finally (sorry for prattling on) check out the Arthur Ransome society
web pages - great!!
cheers
David
his Arthur Ransome books from...
I was 7 years old on an Easter cruise with my family in a 20'
Fibreglass Laurie Davidson (now of Americas Cup fame) Trailer sailer
and my brother gave me a copy of Swallows and Amazons - I instantly
as 7 year old boy fell head over heels in love with Captain Nancy the
gal who could sail as well as any boy...
That said I adore all the books in the series and even in my 30's re
read most of them each year. Am always delighted to see the
references Phil makes to many of the books or characters - esp in his
description of the canal cruiser over at the shantyboats site when he
says "I have been doing narrow water cruising in my mind since I was
7 and read arthur ransome's coot club" or something to that effect
As the most amazing advertisement for no nonsense enjoyable modest
boat adventuring - I can only heartily endorse Phils thoughts on
ransome... I actually even buy up the $1 paperbacks of S&A and give
to my friends with kids... sailing in NZ has got a little boring - as
a kid you either sail a $5000 (yes) P Class 7 foot racing dinghy and
are in the Americas cup crew pipeline or you arent... so
reintroducing the fun and creative parts of sailing is my goal- hence
inventing a new sailing game not too far distant from Phils Priate
racer game - more on this in another post
Finally (sorry for prattling on) check out the Arthur Ransome society
web pages - great!!
cheers
David
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> > Anyway -- I recommend the series to all Bolger builders. It's
never
> > too late to have a happy childhood.
> >
> > All best,
> > Garth
>
>http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookDetails?bi=91207905
>
>
> Look, you can buy the whole set, first edition for only £5000!
<grin>
> Anyway -- I recommend the series to all Bolger builders. It's neverhttp://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookDetails?bi=91207905
> too late to have a happy childhood.
>
> All best,
> Garth
Look, you can buy the whole set, first edition for only £5000! <grin>
Harry --
I just came to these Swallows & Amazons books as a 37-year-old, and
in the course of the last year have read them all but one. I've
bought used copies on bookfinder.com, pulling them in from as far
away as New Zealand. I have only one left unread -- MISSEE LEE. It
sits on my desk and I can't bear to think that when I'm done there
won't be any more. I keep holding off on reading it. I just pick it
up, trembling slightly, and gaze at it periodically.
Yes -- they are exemplary books -- good clean fun, with morally
upright kids who still have a sense of adventure and wildness, and
who love to use their imagination. (Sort of how I'd like to be as an
adult.) They become explorers and pirates at the drop of a hat. But
they still respect their parents. They love boats with a fierce
unquenchable passion. The only thing they missed out on in life was
building their own boat -- if only they had access to Bolger and
Payson! (Although, of course Tom Dudgeon and the Death & Glories did
do major modifications to their boats in Coot Club and The Big Six,
and the D&G's dads were boatbuilders.)
Anyway -- I recommend the series to all Bolger builders. It's never
too late to have a happy childhood.
All best,
Garth
P.S. Here's the list for anyone who wants to start gathering:
Swallows & Amazons
Swallowdale
Peter Duck
Coot Club
Winter Holiday
Pigeon Post
We Didn't Mean to Go to Sea (my favorite)
Secret Water
The Big Six
The Picts and the Martyrs
Great Northern?
Missee Lee
Coots in the North (posthumously collected stories)
I just came to these Swallows & Amazons books as a 37-year-old, and
in the course of the last year have read them all but one. I've
bought used copies on bookfinder.com, pulling them in from as far
away as New Zealand. I have only one left unread -- MISSEE LEE. It
sits on my desk and I can't bear to think that when I'm done there
won't be any more. I keep holding off on reading it. I just pick it
up, trembling slightly, and gaze at it periodically.
Yes -- they are exemplary books -- good clean fun, with morally
upright kids who still have a sense of adventure and wildness, and
who love to use their imagination. (Sort of how I'd like to be as an
adult.) They become explorers and pirates at the drop of a hat. But
they still respect their parents. They love boats with a fierce
unquenchable passion. The only thing they missed out on in life was
building their own boat -- if only they had access to Bolger and
Payson! (Although, of course Tom Dudgeon and the Death & Glories did
do major modifications to their boats in Coot Club and The Big Six,
and the D&G's dads were boatbuilders.)
Anyway -- I recommend the series to all Bolger builders. It's never
too late to have a happy childhood.
All best,
Garth
P.S. Here's the list for anyone who wants to start gathering:
Swallows & Amazons
Swallowdale
Peter Duck
Coot Club
Winter Holiday
Pigeon Post
We Didn't Mean to Go to Sea (my favorite)
Secret Water
The Big Six
The Picts and the Martyrs
Great Northern?
Missee Lee
Coots in the North (posthumously collected stories)
--- In bolger@y..., "Harry W. James" <welshman@p...> wrote:
> Certainly hugely influential on mine. I started reading them when I
was
> 10-12 and I am up to 10 readings or more on some volumes now. Not
only
> did they turn me towards the water, but the mores of the children
soaked
> in also. To this day I can not tell a lie, because I know that John
> couldn't. I also learned that you don't have to go all the way to
the
> Marquesas for a voyage of adventure. It lies just across the field
in
> that grove of trees, or right across the lake and up a creek. I just
> finished reading Small Boats again and it is obvious that a lot of
Mr.
> Bolger designs are designed for these close in adventure spots.
>
> HJ
I think that this is the best so far, especially since so much of
Bolger's writing about his work seems to say that he is thinks he is
getting the hint of a right answer but he is not there yet.
HJ
Bolger's writing about his work seems to say that he is thinks he is
getting the hint of a right answer but he is not there yet.
HJ
> On the collective noun question, "fleet" and the like suggest just
> the boats and not the prose. "Papers" is certainly accurate, but is
> also very usual and therefore not what we want. PCB has referred to
> his obsession with paper and ink, though.
>
> Inklings?
>
> Peter
>
Certainly hugely influential on mine. I started reading them when I was
10-12 and I am up to 10 readings or more on some volumes now. Not only
did they turn me towards the water, but the mores of the children soaked
in also. To this day I can not tell a lie, because I know that John
couldn't. I also learned that you don't have to go all the way to the
Marquesas for a voyage of adventure. It lies just across the field in
that grove of trees, or right across the lake and up a creek. I just
finished reading Small Boats again and it is obvious that a lot of Mr.
Bolger designs are designed for these close in adventure spots.
HJ
10-12 and I am up to 10 readings or more on some volumes now. Not only
did they turn me towards the water, but the mores of the children soaked
in also. To this day I can not tell a lie, because I know that John
couldn't. I also learned that you don't have to go all the way to the
Marquesas for a voyage of adventure. It lies just across the field in
that grove of trees, or right across the lake and up a creek. I just
finished reading Small Boats again and it is obvious that a lot of Mr.
Bolger designs are designed for these close in adventure spots.
HJ
>
> Mr. Bolger has made numerous reference to the Ransome books over the
> years. Obviously, the books one reads as a child can be hugely
> influential on one's later life.
>
>
Or, in a somewhat irreverent vein, perhaps "the Boxer Rebellion"?
;-)
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Crawford [mailto:scrawford@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:33 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Bolger's Library
Given the reverence Bolger seems to inspire compared to other designers,
I
think the earlier suggestion of "scriptures" may not be out of line.
Stuart Crawford
New Zealand
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Crawford [mailto:scrawford@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:33 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Bolger's Library
Given the reverence Bolger seems to inspire compared to other designers,
I
think the earlier suggestion of "scriptures" may not be out of line.
Stuart Crawford
New Zealand
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> On the collective noun question, "fleet" and the like suggest just
> the boats and not the prose. "Papers" is certainly accurate, but is
> also very usual and therefore not what we want. PCB has referred to
> his obsession with paper and ink, though.
>
> Inklings?
>
> Peter
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Given the reverence Bolger seems to inspire compared to other designers, I
think the earlier suggestion of "scriptures" may not be out of line.
Stuart Crawford
New Zealand
think the earlier suggestion of "scriptures" may not be out of line.
Stuart Crawford
New Zealand
>
> On the collective noun question, "fleet" and the like suggest just
> the boats and not the prose. "Papers" is certainly accurate, but is
> also very usual and therefore not what we want. PCB has referred to
> his obsession with paper and ink, though.
>
> Inklings?
>
> Peter
On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, brucehallman wrote:
The cheapest one I found was over $100, in Australia.
Several copies were priced at over $200.00.
Must be some book.
> His highest praise has been reserved for L. Francis Herreshoff's _TheA simple web search turned up several copies of this book.
> Common Sense of Yacht Design_, IMO. I have borrowed this book from my
> local public library a couple times, but I am now trying to buy a
> copy. If you think buying used Bolger books is hard, try to buying
> this Herreshoff book!
The cheapest one I found was over $100, in Australia.
Several copies were priced at over $200.00.
Must be some book.
For completeness, note references to Treasure Island in the chapter
on Grandpa's Pirate Ship, originally in Small Boat Journal, reprinted
in BWAOM.
Also, to the writings of Claude Worth ("sometimes dated, but never
wrong")
On the collective noun question, "fleet" and the like suggest just
the boats and not the prose. "Papers" is certainly accurate, but is
also very usual and therefore not what we want. PCB has referred to
his obsession with paper and ink, though.
Inklings?
Peter
on Grandpa's Pirate Ship, originally in Small Boat Journal, reprinted
in BWAOM.
Also, to the writings of Claude Worth ("sometimes dated, but never
wrong")
On the collective noun question, "fleet" and the like suggest just
the boats and not the prose. "Papers" is certainly accurate, but is
also very usual and therefore not what we want. PCB has referred to
his obsession with paper and ink, though.
Inklings?
Peter
> Bolger makes mention of Arthur Ransome's "Swallows and Amazons"Mr. Bolger has made numerous reference to the Ransome books over the
> Phil told me he read and re-read the whole lot many times when he
> was a child (and since!)
years. Obviously, the books one reads as a child can be hugely
influential on one's later life.
[speaking of hugely influential...] I dare those in this group who
are prone to dreams of voyaging in boats to read Weston Martyr's _The
£200 Millionare_ and then try to continue working in their "day
job". Bolger calls this book "hypnotic", and I have been hypnotized
by that book.
I have made a minor hobby to collect and read the books that Mr.
Bolger has mentioned favorably.
His highest praise has been reserved for L. Francis Herreshoff's _The
Common Sense of Yacht Design_, IMO. I have borrowed this book from
my local public library a couple times, but I am now trying to buy a
copy. If you think buying used Bolger books is hard, try to buying
this Herreshoff book!
Hi,
Bolger makes mention of Arthur Ransome's "Swallows and Amazons" series of books in the chapter on "The Japanese Beach Cruiser" in Boats with an Open Mind.
Phil told me he read and re-read the whole lot many times when he was a child (and since!), and even pays tribute to the series by naming two of his characters in "Schorpioen" <sp?> 'Dick and Dorothea' - two of the kids from the Ransome books. A few years ago I sent the newly published "Coots in the North" - an unfinished Ransome book and "The Boats of Arthur Ransome" to Phil and Susanne.
Phil likes C. S. Forrester's Hornblower books, but hasn't much time for Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey/Maturin series. Ironic, when they're going to use "Rose" in the film of O'Brian's "Master and Commander"! Seems they're modifying 'Rose' without consulting the designer. Discourteous, and not very wise, perhaps?
Cheers,
Bill
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Bolger makes mention of Arthur Ransome's "Swallows and Amazons" series of books in the chapter on "The Japanese Beach Cruiser" in Boats with an Open Mind.
Phil told me he read and re-read the whole lot many times when he was a child (and since!), and even pays tribute to the series by naming two of his characters in "Schorpioen" <sp?> 'Dick and Dorothea' - two of the kids from the Ransome books. A few years ago I sent the newly published "Coots in the North" - an unfinished Ransome book and "The Boats of Arthur Ransome" to Phil and Susanne.
Phil likes C. S. Forrester's Hornblower books, but hasn't much time for Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey/Maturin series. Ironic, when they're going to use "Rose" in the film of O'Brian's "Master and Commander"! Seems they're modifying 'Rose' without consulting the designer. Discourteous, and not very wise, perhaps?
Cheers,
Bill
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