Re: [bolger] RE: Motorsailing Cargo Boat

Thanks, Susanne, and great to hear from you, too.  Not much boating here in Nairobi, I'm afraid, but I still take out my various plans from time to time (especially Micro, Zephyr and Tennessee) to daydream about future projects in future, more boat-friendly postings.  I did find this brief thread in the group from 2008, but I can't seem to find the Bolger study plans only repository anymore.  Perhaps someone has that issue of Woodenboat and could scan the image and caption?  All the best, Matthew

Is Tom Wunderlin still active in this group?  Does anyone know about his or Scott Leiser's projects to built Bolger's Motorsailing Cargo Boat (#610)?  Cheers, Matthew

Just as a point of reference, my own favorite cargo vessel is George
Buehler's Archimedes, a 43' schooner. It doesn't have much of a hold
as drawn, but you could reduce the accommodations some and get more
room for cargo. Come to think of it, you could probably take just
about any heavy displacement vessel and carve out a cargo hold in the
middle of the hull.

Buehler's boats have a certain charm and look easy to build. Having
grown up on the (shoal) south shore of Long Island, NY, however, I
find his deep keels kind of scary. Archemedes has a draft of six feet,
about average for a Buehler boat of this size. Bolger would no doubt
find this impractical and scandalous,

porky

--- In bolger@y..., "thomwun" <thomwun@s...> wrote:
> It is design #610 and the fee to build one boat was $250.
>
> Thomas

It is design #610 and the fee to build one boat was $250.

Thomas

Thomas,

I guess that it's too early to ask how the boat performs, but if you
post the design number and plans price we can put them in the
Database,

TIA,

porky

--- In bolger@y..., "thomwun" <thomwun@s...> wrote:
> I started building this boat last December. I have been in contact
> with Scott Leiser several times. His boat is about 80 % finished.
>
> Scott built upside down, I am building right side up.
>
> It goes together nicely, the rough hull should be done in 4 to 6
> weeks.
>
> Greetings
>
> Thomas Wunderlin
>
> On the shores of Great Slave Lake, Yellowknife, Northwest
Territories, Canada

I have seen pictures of boats used for the same thing here in Nova
Scotia, Canada. I have never heard or seen a specific name or design
for them but the idea is exactly the same. Farmers along the coast
found the easiest way to move produce often hay from there farms,
often in the delta areas to the big coastal cities, before the days of
trucks was in small 30'-50' boats often open often schooner rigged.

Andy Moore
Nova Scotia
Canada

>
> Not the same, but similar is _Scow Schooner_ BWAOM Ch#41 "Here in
> Northern California ther used to be a sort of working craft called a
> hay schooner..."

Another cargo vessel (no bolger) is Eureka. It is 26' and capable of
carrying 3 tons of cargo and 180 cubic feet. Can live 2 crews. I
think it can go with aux. sails also.
http://www.glen-l.com/

--- In bolger@y..., "thomwun" <thomwun@s...> wrote:
> I started building this boat last December. I have been in contact
> with Scott Leiser several times. His boat is about 80 % finished.
>
> Scott built upside down, I am building right side up.
>
> It goes together nicely, the rough hull should be done in 4 to 6
> weeks.
>
> Greetings
>
> Thomas Wunderlin
>
> On the shores of Great Slave Lake, Yellowknife, Northwest
Territories, Canada

I started building this boat last December. I have been in contact
with Scott Leiser several times. His boat is about 80 % finished.

Scott built upside down, I am building right side up.

It goes together nicely, the rough hull should be done in 4 to 6
weeks.

Greetings

Thomas Wunderlin

On the shores of Great Slave Lake, Yellowknife, Northwest Territories, Canada

Bruce, I visited Benford last month, and he's putting the final touches
to a major update of "Small Ships". He swears it'll hit the streets in
the next few months. He's got some designs in the 35-40' range that
have more living space than my last house, and some of them are designed
for plywood construction (you guys hear that?).

The Admiral is intrigued... and we're also interested in the Puffer
cartoon, which is quite similar to the Benford concepts in Small Ships,
but perhaps with a bit more windage than a buy boat would have.

David Romasco



-----Original Message-----
From: brucehector [mailto:bruce_hector@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 2:50 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Motorsailing Cargo Boat


TF Jones "Buy Boat" got me dreaming too, and sketching also. Trying a
similar layout and look on a Bolgeresque cutwater hull of simple flat
bottom. Could be nice.

Another designer with lots of freighter look boats is Jay Benford.
His Florida Bay Freighters and Tramps have long been fascinating to
me. His book "Small Ships" is the stuff of dreams. I think all could
be built on a pure flat bottom hull with a wee bit of rocker forward
as in Wyohming, or a small Aircraft Carrier perhaps.

Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com



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Bruce, my favorite theme... Will you show what you come up with?

Mark

brucehector wrote:

>
> TF Jones "Buy Boat" got me dreaming too, and sketching
> also. Trying a similar layout and look on a Bolgeresque cutwater hull of
> simple flat bottom. Could be nice.

TF Jones "Buy Boat" got me dreaming too, and sketching also. Trying a
similar layout and look on a Bolgeresque cutwater hull of simple flat
bottom. Could be nice.

Another designer with lots of freighter look boats is Jay Benford.
His Florida Bay Freighters and Tramps have long been fascinating to
me. His book "Small Ships" is the stuff of dreams. I think all could
be built on a pure flat bottom hull with a wee bit of rocker forward
as in Wyohming, or a small Aircraft Carrier perhaps.

Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com

--- In bolger@y..., "porcupinefysh" <porcupine@d...> wrote:

> Boat Kits and Plans", there is a sketch of a 30'x10'x2' motorsailer
> by Bolger. It looks like it's a gaff yawl.

Not the same, but similar is _Scow Schooner_ BWAOM Ch#41 "Here in
Northern California ther used to be a sort of working craft called a
hay schooner..."

.....back to Jamaica; we made a big mistake-a....

Remember Jimmy Buffet's close brush with the local police in the Caribbean (not sure I remember the country


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> Actually, my guess is that you'd be shot whether you were carrying it
> or not. Remember Jimmy Buffet's close brush with the local police (or
> was it the military?) in the Caribbean (not sure I remember the
> country).
>

it was Jamaica... The song he got out of it is called 'Jamaica
Mistaka'.......


Paul L.

Porky,

The design was described on one page in the Jan/Feb 1995 issue of
Boatbuilder. There is a full length column of text alongside the
drawings. It was designed for Scott Leiser of Anchorage, Alaska to
service isolated hunting, fishing, and scientific camps. She is designed
to carry three long tons of cargo. She may be fitted with flexible tanks
in the hold to take on ballast water when making a passage empty.

Bolger envisions the engine running at all times with sail assist to
reduce fuel consumption.

Construction is sheet plywood in multiple courses, epoxy composite
joints and overall glass sheathing.

Mainmast is a four stave wooden spar. Mizzen is an aluminum pipe up
which the engine exausts dry. Both masts are stepped through the deck.

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that she was never built, but I may
be wrong.

Vince Chew

Actually, my guess is that you'd be shot whether you were carrying it
or not. Remember Jimmy Buffet's close brush with the local police (or
was it the military?) in the Caribbean (not sure I remember the
country). Someday they'll get around to books or epoxy, as each person
will NOT be allowed to destroy himself in his own way, but only in the
approved ways (i.e.inactivity, alcohol, hamburgers and tobacco).

There's a neat little "freighter" called Buy Boat in Thomas Firth
Jones' New Plywood Boats, tho it has no sails.

Also, look at the Scow Schooner in BWaOM.

--- In bolger@y..., "porcupinefysh" <porcupine@d...> wrote:
> In the 2001 edition of _Boatbuilder Magazine's_ "Complete Guide to
> Boat Kits and Plans", there is a sketch of a 30'x10'x2' motorsailer
> by Bolger. snipcockpit/cargo
> area amidships.snip
> I find such little freighters facinating snip They summon pleasant
thoughts of self-supporting tramping
about
> among tropical islands. I know, of course, that the type of cargo
> likely to be profitably carried would probably get one arrested or
> shot, not the sort of trade I want to engage in during my
retirement.
> Still, if I had such a boat, I could *imagine* being a later day
> Gardner McKay....
>
> porky

In the 2001 edition of _Boatbuilder Magazine's_ "Complete Guide to
Boat Kits and Plans", there is a sketch of a 30'x10'x2' motorsailer
by Bolger. It looks like it's a gaff yawl. The copy states that it
takes an 18hp diesel and is built in plywood. There is an aft
pilothouse, a raised deck cabin in the forepeak and a cockpit/cargo
area amidships. I've checked the database extensively and have found
no mention of this vessel. Before I fire off a FAX to Phil & Susan,
does anyone know of a write-up anywhere?

I find such little freighters facinating (Buehler has also designed a
few). They summon pleasant thoughts of self-supporting tramping about
among tropical islands. I know, of course, that the type of cargo
likely to be profitably carried would probably get one arrested or
shot, not the sort of trade I want to engage in during my retirement.
Still, if I had such a boat, I could *imagine* being a later day
Gardner McKay....

porky