Re: Wyoming Tailer Launching
--- In bolger@y..., Philip Smith <pbs@w...> wrote:
question, wouldn't it be also possible to install an electric winch
on the boat and use Lilly's batteries? Seems more efficient to me.
With a little creativity, the boat based winch could be useful for
other purposes, perhaps handling an anchor.
> Phil Bolger wrote a very interesting articleThe dedicated winch and extra battery at the automobile, begs the
> vehicle on launching ramps for MAIB
> launching Lilly or
question, wouldn't it be also possible to install an electric winch
on the boat and use Lilly's batteries? Seems more efficient to me.
With a little creativity, the boat based winch could be useful for
other purposes, perhaps handling an anchor.
Honestly - get one of each. The portable is just too handy to do
without!
Mike
without!
Mike
This is a very good idea. I already have a hand held, all I need is a spare. That way one could be carried in the dinghy if needed but be available as a spare. The external antenna should make it work a lot like a mounted one. You can hide them also, theft is always a risk.
Jeff
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Philip Smith
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:05 AM
Subject: [bolger] VHF Radio, hand held or base station?
If I was only going to have one radio, I'd opt for the hand held. However
I'd mount it and hook it up to an antenna and the boat's power supply. You
could mount the hand held in one of the hands free cell phone cradles.
Disconnecting the power supply and the boat's antenna will give you your
hand held capability.
A good antenna installation is better than more power in terms of sending
and especially receiving.
Phil Smith
KG6FAT
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If I was only going to have one radio, I'd opt for the hand held. However
I'd mount it and hook it up to an antenna and the boat's power supply. You
could mount the hand held in one of the hands free cell phone cradles.
Disconnecting the power supply and the boat's antenna will give you your
hand held capability.
A good antenna installation is better than more power in terms of sending
and especially receiving.
Phil Smith
KG6FAT
I'd mount it and hook it up to an antenna and the boat's power supply. You
could mount the hand held in one of the hands free cell phone cradles.
Disconnecting the power supply and the boat's antenna will give you your
hand held capability.
A good antenna installation is better than more power in terms of sending
and especially receiving.
Phil Smith
KG6FAT
Actually, this is a plan I want to try. I help launch and retrieve sailboats with deep drafts. They have a single stout dolly wheel attached to the trailer tongue.
First, back down the ramp but stop before the wheels get wet, block the wheels, unhook the trailer and lower down to the dolly wheel, attach a 20 foot tow strap and pull forward to take up slack to remove the blocks. Then slowly let gravity pull the whole thing down until the boat floats free. Works very well. Some trailers can be 5 or 6 feet underwater where you can't even see the fenders.
I'll try it first, then get a crane if needed. It's all in the weight balance of the trailer and angle of the ramp.
Jeff
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First, back down the ramp but stop before the wheels get wet, block the wheels, unhook the trailer and lower down to the dolly wheel, attach a 20 foot tow strap and pull forward to take up slack to remove the blocks. Then slowly let gravity pull the whole thing down until the boat floats free. Works very well. Some trailers can be 5 or 6 feet underwater where you can't even see the fenders.
I'll try it first, then get a crane if needed. It's all in the weight balance of the trailer and angle of the ramp.
Jeff
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Phil Bolger wrote a very interesting article on how to best use a small tow
vehicle on launching ramps for MAIB in the past year or so. I recommend
that you research this, but here's a summary.
First replace the dinky worthless wheel on the trailer's jack or landing
gear with a swiveling wheel of good rolling diameter. PB&F recommended a
pneumatic wheel.
park the tow vehicle and the trailer on a mostly level spot at the top of
the ramp. Block the wheels. unhook the trailer. Use an electric winch
attached to the two vehicle permanently or by chains to something
substantial on the vehicle to lower the trailer into the water and retrieve
it with or without the boat on top. Keeps the tow vehicle dry. Avoids
getting stuck on the ramp due to either slick algae or mud.
Should work and work well. Bolger had a picture of them launching Lilly or
some other fairly big boat from a trailer that had been towed by an small
econobox car.
Wyoming should require a damn big tow vehicle and winch, but if the trailer
is set up properly, it ought to work. If you don't want to invest in a
winch, you could call a tow truck to be your winch for a lot less than a crane.
Phil Smith
vehicle on launching ramps for MAIB in the past year or so. I recommend
that you research this, but here's a summary.
First replace the dinky worthless wheel on the trailer's jack or landing
gear with a swiveling wheel of good rolling diameter. PB&F recommended a
pneumatic wheel.
park the tow vehicle and the trailer on a mostly level spot at the top of
the ramp. Block the wheels. unhook the trailer. Use an electric winch
attached to the two vehicle permanently or by chains to something
substantial on the vehicle to lower the trailer into the water and retrieve
it with or without the boat on top. Keeps the tow vehicle dry. Avoids
getting stuck on the ramp due to either slick algae or mud.
Should work and work well. Bolger had a picture of them launching Lilly or
some other fairly big boat from a trailer that had been towed by an small
econobox car.
Wyoming should require a damn big tow vehicle and winch, but if the trailer
is set up properly, it ought to work. If you don't want to invest in a
winch, you could call a tow truck to be your winch for a lot less than a crane.
Phil Smith
Just in the process of building the trailer and procuring the lumber. I'll build a website with photos as we go along. We will officially start building in April when it's warm enough to epoxy. I need a trailer to haul all the bits and pieces as well as the finished project. I'm still hoping to find a used one but not much around here specific enough for my needs.
Launching will hopefully be mid to late summer 2003.
Jeff
Launching will hopefully be mid to late summer 2003.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: roue20ca
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:57 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Wyoming Tailer
50'er at 8000lbs I think the crane is probable the best go too.
Sound like a beauty, I a sailing man at heart but those old or old
style long, narrow, easily driven power boats are nice too. I just
had a look at the files I have on boats and I have a drawing of
Wyoming but not a picture; can we see one of your Wyoming.
Andy
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50'er at 8000lbs I think the crane is probable the best go too.
Sound like a beauty, I a sailing man at heart but those old or old
style long, narrow, easily driven power boats are nice too. I just
had a look at the files I have on boats and I have a drawing of
Wyoming but not a picture; can we see one of your Wyoming.
Andy
Sound like a beauty, I a sailing man at heart but those old or old
style long, narrow, easily driven power boats are nice too. I just
had a look at the files I have on boats and I have a drawing of
Wyoming but not a picture; can we see one of your Wyoming.
Andy
--- In bolger@y..., "Jeff Blunck" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> No tide around here. With the Wyoming's length at 50', launching is
an issue. The boat is strong enough to temporarily be support fore
and aft only, but at 8000 pounds it will draw some water until it gets
slide in properly.
>
> A crane is probably the best idea. Susan said to block it up with
old tires. That may work but be a lot of work and hassle when a crane
could have her off in no time.
>
> Jeff
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No tide around here. With the Wyoming's length at 50', launching is an issue. The boat is strong enough to temporarily be support fore and aft only, but at 8000 pounds it will draw some water until it gets slide in properly.
A crane is probably the best idea. Susan said to block it up with old tires. That may work but be a lot of work and hassle when a crane could have her off in no time.
Jeff
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A crane is probably the best idea. Susan said to block it up with old tires. That may work but be a lot of work and hassle when a crane could have her off in no time.
Jeff
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Jeff, not sure about the boat ramp angle but up here in NS Canada I
know some of them are quite steep, more than 8% I think. Is there a
place you could back her down at low tide and then be patiant and let
the tide do the rest. Not sure maybe the tide is not that high were
you are or are you on a lake? We do the same thing crane wise at are
club.
Andy Moore
Nova Scotia
Canada
know some of them are quite steep, more than 8% I think. Is there a
place you could back her down at low tide and then be patiant and let
the tide do the rest. Not sure maybe the tide is not that high were
you are or are you on a lake? We do the same thing crane wise at are
club.
Andy Moore
Nova Scotia
Canada
--- In bolger@y..., "Jeff Blunck" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> That was my post and a recommendation from Susan at PB&F. The front
would be worse as it's narrower.
>
> If I knew an estimate of boat ramp angles, I could figure how far
the Wyo would have to dip before gaining enough buoyancy. I think she
can handle up to a 8% grade before it would become a big problem. I
could also drop the tongue onto a dolly and lower the works into the
water like a sailboat.
>
> May be easier to have a crane come in an lift her off. The local
club usually gets a crane in the spring and fall to come in and lift
boats. Everyone shares the cost so even at $300 per hour, he can
usually get 3 or 4 boats out per hour.
>
> At the ramp that I would use to launch on the Missouri, a travel
lift is available for $200 per boat.
>
> Jeff
That was my post and a recommendation from Susan at PB&F. The front would be worse as it's narrower.
If I knew an estimate of boat ramp angles, I could figure how far the Wyo would have to dip before gaining enough buoyancy. I think she can handle up to a 8% grade before it would become a big problem. I could also drop the tongue onto a dolly and lower the works into the water like a sailboat.
May be easier to have a crane come in an lift her off. The local club usually gets a crane in the spring and fall to come in and lift boats. Everyone shares the cost so even at $300 per hour, he can usually get 3 or 4 boats out per hour.
At the ramp that I would use to launch on the Missouri, a travel lift is available for $200 per boat.
Jeff
If I knew an estimate of boat ramp angles, I could figure how far the Wyo would have to dip before gaining enough buoyancy. I think she can handle up to a 8% grade before it would become a big problem. I could also drop the tongue onto a dolly and lower the works into the water like a sailboat.
May be easier to have a crane come in an lift her off. The local club usually gets a crane in the spring and fall to come in and lift boats. Everyone shares the cost so even at $300 per hour, he can usually get 3 or 4 boats out per hour.
At the ramp that I would use to launch on the Missouri, a travel lift is available for $200 per boat.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: roue20ca
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:59 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Wyoming Tailer
I thought I saw a posting a few days ago that suggested trailering
Wyoming or one like her backward. If you did this you would not have
to worry about aft floatation during launching.
Andy Moore
Nova Scotia
Canada
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I thought I saw a posting a few days ago that suggested trailering
Wyoming or one like her backward. If you did this you would not have
to worry about aft floatation during launching.
Andy Moore
Nova Scotia
Canada
Wyoming or one like her backward. If you did this you would not have
to worry about aft floatation during launching.
Andy Moore
Nova Scotia
Canada
--- In bolger@y..., "jhbjap" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> Does anyone know how steep the "average" boat ramp is?
>
> 5, 8 , 10 degrees?
>
> I'm trying to figure the aft floatation amount needed to launch the
> Wyo from a trailer.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeff
Does anyone know how steep the "average" boat ramp is?
5, 8 , 10 degrees?
I'm trying to figure the aft floatation amount needed to launch the
Wyo from a trailer.
Thanks
Jeff
5, 8 , 10 degrees?
I'm trying to figure the aft floatation amount needed to launch the
Wyo from a trailer.
Thanks
Jeff