[bolger] Re: Desert river canoe design recommendations?
Jeff:
I'm with Richard on this one. You have to have some lumber (1x2's) for the
chines and gunwales. This is really no big deal, most lumber yards will
carry this size, so you shouldn't have to do any ripping. I wouldn't insist
on epoxy, though. Try the polyurethane in a tube.
Take a look at Fritz Funk's Wacky Lassie:
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Wacky_Lassie/Wacky_Lassie.htm
If you read to the bottom, you will see that he has gone to external chine
logs for this boat because of the ease of construction.
Are you still planning on building that Idaho?
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg
I'm with Richard on this one. You have to have some lumber (1x2's) for the
chines and gunwales. This is really no big deal, most lumber yards will
carry this size, so you shouldn't have to do any ripping. I wouldn't insist
on epoxy, though. Try the polyurethane in a tube.
Take a look at Fritz Funk's Wacky Lassie:
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Wacky_Lassie/Wacky_Lassie.htm
If you read to the bottom, you will see that he has gone to external chine
logs for this boat because of the ease of construction.
Are you still planning on building that Idaho?
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg
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From: Richard Spelling <richard@...>
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Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 10:12 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Desert river canoe design recommendations?
> Jeff West wrote:
> > Is it possible to create such a beast out of just ACX and WeldWood with
> > no lumber at all?
> >
> Not really, use lumber for chine logs.
>
> > Is no epoxy and glass, even on chines possible?
> >
> exterior chine logs, you could get away with it. Best to use epoxy
> though, you wouldn't need that much and it's much more forgiving.
>
> > Is painting even neccessary?
> Not realy, no exposed epoxy to deteriorate in the sun, no paint needed.
> Be sure to use but blocks.
>
> > So I guess what I need are suggestions for the design of a
> > controllable, cartopable, one man and gear mini Ark design!
> >
> Lots of potential designs, I'm partial to the pirogue, out of 3/8
> exterior fir, but blocks, exterior chine logs, epoxy glue, no paint.
> Bang it up for a season, then give it away.
>
> Make it as long as is reasonable.
>
>
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Jeff West wrote:
though, you wouldn't need that much and it's much more forgiving.
Be sure to use but blocks.
exterior fir, but blocks, exterior chine logs, epoxy glue, no paint.
Bang it up for a season, then give it away.
Make it as long as is reasonable.
--
Richard
Spelling|richard@...|http://www.spellingbusiness.com
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Beyond!
Boat building projects:http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats/
> Is it possible to create such a beast out of just ACX and WeldWood withNot really, use lumber for chine logs.
> no lumber at all?
>
> Is no epoxy and glass, even on chines possible?exterior chine logs, you could get away with it. Best to use epoxy
>
though, you wouldn't need that much and it's much more forgiving.
> Is painting even neccessary?Not realy, no exposed epoxy to deteriorate in the sun, no paint needed.
Be sure to use but blocks.
> So I guess what I need are suggestions for the design of aLots of potential designs, I'm partial to the pirogue, out of 3/8
> controllable, cartopable, one man and gear mini Ark design!
>
exterior fir, but blocks, exterior chine logs, epoxy glue, no paint.
Bang it up for a season, then give it away.
Make it as long as is reasonable.
--
Richard
Spelling|richard@...|http://www.spellingbusiness.com
SBE Communications, Business Solutions for the next Millennium and
Beyond!
Boat building projects:http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats/
oops,
http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/short/sci_am/scow_1876.html
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>From: "Jeff West" <jeffwest@...>
>To:bolger@...
>Subject: [bolger] Desert river canoe design recommendations?
>Date: Sun, Jan 16, 2000, 10:43 PM
>
> Hi all,
> Here in Arizona we have some rivers that flow year round, flowing more
> during some months than others. Most of the time, like following March
> after the snow melt-off in the high country, one would drag bottom and
> bang around rocks between pools at 75-150 fps. None-the-less, I would
> like to throw something together for camping and such during those
> shallow times. Plastic is awsome stuff but "I don't want to".
>
> My thoughts gravitate towards a double paddle six-hour cajun canoe type
> of thing, but that seems too fragile, time consuming and expensive for
> this level of rough duty. What about a 2' wide plywood version of a
> scow like athttp://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/short/sci_am/scow_1876.
> html or a beefed up version of the pirogue athttp://www.unclejohns.com
> ? I could handle a single season of use out of a design, to be
> replaced with a new one each spring. Thus, the less expense the better.
>
> Is it possible to create such a beast out of just ACX and WeldWood with
> no lumber at all?
>
> Is no epoxy and glass, even on chines possible?
>
> Is painting even neccessary?
>
> So I guess what I need are suggestions for the design of a
> controllable, cartopable, one man and gear mini Ark design!
>
> Any ideas, ye creative problem solvers?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
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Hi all,
Here in Arizona we have some rivers that flow year round, flowing more
during some months than others. Most of the time, like following March
after the snow melt-off in the high country, one would drag bottom and
bang around rocks between pools at 75-150 fps. None-the-less, I would
like to throw something together for camping and such during those
shallow times. Plastic is awsome stuff but "I don't want to".
My thoughts gravitate towards a double paddle six-hour cajun canoe type
of thing, but that seems too fragile, time consuming and expensive for
this level of rough duty. What about a 2' wide plywood version of a
scow like athttp://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/short/sci_am/scow_1876.
html or a beefed up version of the pirogue athttp://www.unclejohns.com
? I could handle a single season of use out of a design, to be
replaced with a new one each spring. Thus, the less expense the better.
Is it possible to create such a beast out of just ACX and WeldWood with
no lumber at all?
Is no epoxy and glass, even on chines possible?
Is painting even neccessary?
So I guess what I need are suggestions for the design of a
controllable, cartopable, one man and gear mini Ark design!
Any ideas, ye creative problem solvers?
Thanks,
Jeff
Here in Arizona we have some rivers that flow year round, flowing more
during some months than others. Most of the time, like following March
after the snow melt-off in the high country, one would drag bottom and
bang around rocks between pools at 75-150 fps. None-the-less, I would
like to throw something together for camping and such during those
shallow times. Plastic is awsome stuff but "I don't want to".
My thoughts gravitate towards a double paddle six-hour cajun canoe type
of thing, but that seems too fragile, time consuming and expensive for
this level of rough duty. What about a 2' wide plywood version of a
scow like athttp://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/short/sci_am/scow_1876.
html or a beefed up version of the pirogue athttp://www.unclejohns.com
? I could handle a single season of use out of a design, to be
replaced with a new one each spring. Thus, the less expense the better.
Is it possible to create such a beast out of just ACX and WeldWood with
no lumber at all?
Is no epoxy and glass, even on chines possible?
Is painting even neccessary?
So I guess what I need are suggestions for the design of a
controllable, cartopable, one man and gear mini Ark design!
Any ideas, ye creative problem solvers?
Thanks,
Jeff