Re: [bolger] AABB
Each issue of AABB has a subscription form, but you could airmail a letter
with the following details:
___________________________
Title: (Mr/Mrs etc.)
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surname:
First name:
Street address:
City/Suburb:
State:
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Zip Code:
I enclose payment for AU$............... being for ................ years
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Card number: ..............................................
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Starting with issue number: [Just write "next issue")
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The address is: Australian Amateur Boatbuilder
PO Box 1254
Burleigh Heads Qld 4220
AUSTRALIA
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Their office is a local phone call away if anyone wants further details. No
email address is given in the magazine. Other than buying each issue as it
comes out, I have no connection with AABB.
I mentioned before that there are four issues a year. At least that's what it
says on the subscription form. The issues are undated, so it's hard to work
out exactly how many come out each year. The "Amateur" part of the title has
a certain relevance to the magazine itself. My pet hate is that the editor
doesn't know the difference between "it's" and "its".
Howard
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with the following details:
___________________________
Title: (Mr/Mrs etc.)
Initials:
surname:
First name:
Street address:
City/Suburb:
State:
Country:
Zip Code:
I enclose payment for AU$............... being for ................ years
subscription
Mastercard [ ] Visa [ ]
Card number: ..............................................
Card expiry date: Today's date:
Cardholder's name: Your signature:
........................
Starting with issue number: [Just write "next issue")
________________________________
The address is: Australian Amateur Boatbuilder
PO Box 1254
Burleigh Heads Qld 4220
AUSTRALIA
____________________________________________
Their office is a local phone call away if anyone wants further details. No
email address is given in the magazine. Other than buying each issue as it
comes out, I have no connection with AABB.
I mentioned before that there are four issues a year. At least that's what it
says on the subscription form. The issues are undated, so it's hard to work
out exactly how many come out each year. The "Amateur" part of the title has
a certain relevance to the magazine itself. My pet hate is that the editor
doesn't know the difference between "it's" and "its".
Howard
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On Friday 08 March 2002 09:03, Harry W. James wrote:
have disappeared. You can get some insight at:
http://home.austarnet.com.au/edrew1/aabb/aabbindex.htm
... although this is one of the flakier websites I have ever
encountered.
I think the issues are bi-monthly.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
> I am interested, how many issues a year and do they have an on lineThey did have a (very basic) webpage at one stage, but it seems to
> subscription site. You can't have too many boatbuilding magazines.
have disappeared. You can get some insight at:
http://home.austarnet.com.au/edrew1/aabb/aabbindex.htm
... although this is one of the flakier websites I have ever
encountered.
I think the issues are bi-monthly.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
I am interested, how many issues a year and do they have an on line
subscription site. You can't have too many boatbuilding magazines.
HJ
stephensonhw@...wrote:
subscription site. You can't have too many boatbuilding magazines.
HJ
stephensonhw@...wrote:
>
> According to the latest issue of AABB, a one-year subscription (four issues)
> to USA or Europe is 70 Australian dollars or 100 dollars for two years. An
> Aussie dollar is worth little more than half a greenback.
>
> The lastest issue is 96 non-glossy pages. They'll take Visa or Mastercard. I
> can give further details if anyone is interested.
>
> Howard
>
Howard, I'd appreciate that information.
Sam
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> According to the latest issue of AABB, a one-year__________________________________________________
> subscription (four issues)
> to USA or Europe is 70 Australian dollars or 100
> dollars for two years. An
> Aussie dollar is worth little more than half a
> greenback.
>
> The lastest issue is 96 non-glossy pages. They'll
> take Visa or Mastercard. I
> can give further details if anyone is interested.
>
> Howard
> >
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According to the latest issue of AABB, a one-year subscription (four issues)
to USA or Europe is 70 Australian dollars or 100 dollars for two years. An
Aussie dollar is worth little more than half a greenback.
The lastest issue is 96 non-glossy pages. They'll take Visa or Mastercard. I
can give further details if anyone is interested.
Howard
to USA or Europe is 70 Australian dollars or 100 dollars for two years. An
Aussie dollar is worth little more than half a greenback.
The lastest issue is 96 non-glossy pages. They'll take Visa or Mastercard. I
can give further details if anyone is interested.
Howard
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> Speaking of this particular rag, I am assuming that the cost of
> subscribing from the US would put it in the same realm of higher finance
> as you subscribing to MAIB.
>
> HJ
> >
> > Feel free to write to the AABB editor, but don't expect to influence
> > his editorial policy. As far as I can tell there isn't any. Which is one
> > of the fun things about that particular rag.
> >
>
> Never mind the America's Cup: I'd be happy to see the Insolent 60The web site only mentions a 2001 race; will there be one for 2003?
> (as designed) leading the charge down the Chesapeake in the Great
> Chesapeake Bay Schooner Race!
-- Sue --
(who'd like to see that, too :-) )
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Never mind the America's Cup: I'd be happy to see the Insolent 60
(as designed) leading the charge down the Chesapeake in the Great
Chesapeake Bay Schooner Race!
www.schoonerrace.org/
www.chesapeakebayphotos.com/index.php?TopicID=schoonerrace
Imagine the gasp from the crowd as the crew collects the trophy, then
folds up the boat to go home . . .
Steve Paskey
(as designed) leading the charge down the Chesapeake in the Great
Chesapeake Bay Schooner Race!
www.schoonerrace.org/
www.chesapeakebayphotos.com/index.php?TopicID=schoonerrace
Imagine the gasp from the crowd as the crew collects the trophy, then
folds up the boat to go home . . .
Steve Paskey
--- In bolger@y..., "futabachan" <futabachan@y...> wrote:
>
> Hmm. Y'know, if the actual performance of the Insolent 60 is what
> PCB claims it'll be, that's awfully close to the numbers that the
> IACC boats produce. If you stretched one a bit, and made it
> nonfolding and nontrailerable, we could probably come up with a
> one- or two-boat syndicate for the 2006 America's Cup for less
> than the cost of the entry fee . . .
Speaking of this particular rag, I am assuming that the cost of
subscribing from the US would put it in the same realm of higher finance
as you subscribing to MAIB.
HJ
subscribing from the US would put it in the same realm of higher finance
as you subscribing to MAIB.
HJ
>
> Feel free to write to the AABB editor, but don't expect to influence
> his editorial policy. As far as I can tell there isn't any. Which is one
> of the fun things about that particular rag.
>
>
First attempt at reply disappeared, sorry if this is duplicate:
As an impecunious slob, I resent this attempt to restrict my access to
most of the earth's surface.
--- In bolger@y..., "Seabird Aviation Australia Pty Ltd"
<seabird@a...> wrote:
be brutally frank, I've yet to find a single professional mariner or
designer who has a good word for them. snip
raid in them. There were no tea-chest shaped clippers, no oblong
battleships and no squared off America's Cup contestants. No-one will
ever gasp with admiration as a box floats by and I don't think there
will ever be a square rowing skiff.
floating boxes."
As an impecunious slob, I resent this attempt to restrict my access to
most of the earth's surface.
--- In bolger@y..., "Seabird Aviation Australia Pty Ltd"
<seabird@a...> wrote:
> I thought the group may be interested in the following paragraphsnip
> "BOXES - LITTLE BOXESboxes - fair enough, I suppose, I wouldn't be seen dead in one and, to
>
> I think this whole box thing has now gone too far. Take Bolger's
be brutally frank, I've yet to find a single professional mariner or
designer who has a good word for them. snip
> There are, however, no boxes in nature and waves aren't square,either. The Phoenicians did not trade in boxes, the Vikings did not
raid in them. There were no tea-chest shaped clippers, no oblong
battleships and no squared off America's Cup contestants. No-one will
ever gasp with admiration as a box floats by and I don't think there
will ever be a square rowing skiff.
>it's surely bleeding obvious that there are some big disadvantages to
> But, without going into details (although I'm sure someone will)
floating boxes."
>snip
>
As an impecunious slob I resent this effort to deny my access to 2/3
or so of the Earth's surface.
--- In bolger@y..., "Seabird Aviation Australia Pty Ltd"
<seabird@a...> wrote:
magazine #37 recently. The article was written by Derek Ellard who
designs boats for Scruffie Marine www.scruffie.com.
be brutally frank, I've yet to find a single professional mariner or
designer who has a good word for them. I do see the point, though - a
cheap, simple box with a sharp end will certainly get you afloat and
lets not forget Phil has designed some very nice craft in his time.
raid in them. There were no tea-chest shaped clippers, no oblong
battleships and no squared off America's Cup contestants. No-one will
ever gasp with admiration as a box floats by and I don't think there
will ever be a square rowing skiff.
floating boxes."
Australian Amateur Boatbuilder.
phone charge would be, or whether as an Australian this guy would care
one bit about the opinion of an American non-subscriber
or so of the Earth's surface.
--- In bolger@y..., "Seabird Aviation Australia Pty Ltd"
<seabird@a...> wrote:
> I thought the group may be interested in the following paragraphfrom an article that appeared in "Australian Amateur Boatbuilder"
magazine #37 recently. The article was written by Derek Ellard who
designs boats for Scruffie Marine www.scruffie.com.
>boxes - fair enough, I suppose, I wouldn't be seen dead in one and, to
>
> "BOXES - LITTLE BOXES
>
> I think this whole box thing has now gone too far. Take Bolger's
be brutally frank, I've yet to find a single professional mariner or
designer who has a good word for them. I do see the point, though - a
cheap, simple box with a sharp end will certainly get you afloat and
lets not forget Phil has designed some very nice craft in his time.
>either. The Phoenicians did not trade in boxes, the Vikings did not
> There are, however, no boxes in nature and waves aren't square,
raid in them. There were no tea-chest shaped clippers, no oblong
battleships and no squared off America's Cup contestants. No-one will
ever gasp with admiration as a box floats by and I don't think there
will ever be a square rowing skiff.
>it's surely bleeding obvious that there are some big disadvantages to
> But, without going into details (although I'm sure someone will)
floating boxes."
>unchallenged they write a letter or fax to Paul Lynch the Editor of
>
> I suggest if anyone feels as I do that these comments should not go
Australian Amateur Boatbuilder.
>P.S as an impecunious, lazy slob, I have no idea what the postage or
> His address is:
> Suite 24, Cnr 8th Avenue and Gold coast Highway,
> Palm Beach
> Queensland, Australia
> 4221
>
> Fax No. 61 7 5598 3024.
>
> Signed Bolger fan
> Peter Adams
>
phone charge would be, or whether as an Australian this guy would care
one bit about the opinion of an American non-subscriber
>
On Monday 04 March 2002 16:40, Seabird Aviation Australia Pty Ltd wrote:
might like to check out Derek's boats. He designs the prettiest
stitch-and-glue boats I have ever seen. The consensus seems
to be that they are also very seaworthy. All things considered, I
would prefer my boat to be functional *and* aesthetically pleasing.
Feel free to write to the AABB editor, but don't expect to influence
his editorial policy. As far as I can tell there isn't any. Which is one
of the fun things about that particular rag.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
> I thought the group may be interested in the following paragraph from anBefore firing up the righteous anger and putting pen to paper, people
> article that appeared in "Australian Amateur Boatbuilder" magazine #37
> recently. The article was written by Derek Ellard who designs boats for
> Scruffie Marine www.scruffie.com.
>
>
> I suggest if anyone feels as I do that these comments should not go
> unchallenged they write a letter or fax to Paul Lynch the Editor of
> Australian Amateur Boatbuilder.
might like to check out Derek's boats. He designs the prettiest
stitch-and-glue boats I have ever seen. The consensus seems
to be that they are also very seaworthy. All things considered, I
would prefer my boat to be functional *and* aesthetically pleasing.
Feel free to write to the AABB editor, but don't expect to influence
his editorial policy. As far as I can tell there isn't any. Which is one
of the fun things about that particular rag.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
Well, there are no boats in nature either.
Boxes require plywood. Plywood is modern, so, no anchient boxes. QED.
As soon as planks became realatively common and easy to get to, the
square boat was invented. Sure, it has some disadvantages, but it
also has some major advantages.
People used to consider boats disposable, thinking they would only
last a few years. With that in mind, there is a lot to say about
building a cheap sharpie instead of an expensive, nice and pretty,
round bilged hull.
Anyway.
I like multichines myself. The ultimate evolution of lapstrake.
--- In bolger@y..., "Seabird Aviation Australia Pty Ltd"
<seabird@a...> wrote:
magazine #37 recently. The article was written by Derek Ellard who
designs boats for Scruffie Marine www.scruffie.com.
to be brutally frank, I've yet to find a single professional mariner
or designer who has a good word for them. I do see the point,
though - a cheap, simple box with a sharp end will certainly get you
afloat and lets not forget Phil has designed some very nice craft in
his time.
raid in them. There were no tea-chest shaped clippers, no oblong
battleships and no squared off America's Cup contestants. No-one
will ever gasp with admiration as a box floats by and I don't think
there will ever be a square rowing skiff.
floating boxes."
Australian Amateur Boatbuilder.
Boxes require plywood. Plywood is modern, so, no anchient boxes. QED.
As soon as planks became realatively common and easy to get to, the
square boat was invented. Sure, it has some disadvantages, but it
also has some major advantages.
People used to consider boats disposable, thinking they would only
last a few years. With that in mind, there is a lot to say about
building a cheap sharpie instead of an expensive, nice and pretty,
round bilged hull.
Anyway.
I like multichines myself. The ultimate evolution of lapstrake.
--- In bolger@y..., "Seabird Aviation Australia Pty Ltd"
<seabird@a...> wrote:
> I thought the group may be interested in the following paragraphfrom an article that appeared in "Australian Amateur Boatbuilder"
magazine #37 recently. The article was written by Derek Ellard who
designs boats for Scruffie Marine www.scruffie.com.
>boxes - fair enough, I suppose, I wouldn't be seen dead in one and,
>
> "BOXES - LITTLE BOXES
>
> I think this whole box thing has now gone too far. Take Bolger's
to be brutally frank, I've yet to find a single professional mariner
or designer who has a good word for them. I do see the point,
though - a cheap, simple box with a sharp end will certainly get you
afloat and lets not forget Phil has designed some very nice craft in
his time.
>either. The Phoenicians did not trade in boxes, the Vikings did not
> There are, however, no boxes in nature and waves aren't square,
raid in them. There were no tea-chest shaped clippers, no oblong
battleships and no squared off America's Cup contestants. No-one
will ever gasp with admiration as a box floats by and I don't think
there will ever be a square rowing skiff.
>it's surely bleeding obvious that there are some big disadvantages to
> But, without going into details (although I'm sure someone will)
floating boxes."
>unchallenged they write a letter or fax to Paul Lynch the Editor of
>
> I suggest if anyone feels as I do that these comments should not go
Australian Amateur Boatbuilder.
>
> His address is:
> Suite 24, Cnr 8th Avenue and Gold coast Highway,
> Palm Beach
> Queensland, Australia
> 4221
>
> Fax No. 61 7 5598 3024.
>
> Signed Bolger fan
> Peter Adams
>
>
>
>
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> There were no tea-chest shaped clippers, no oblong battleshipsUm, what about CSS _Virginia_ (ex-USS _Merrimac_) and a host of
other American Civil War ironclads? Or Napoleonic-era floating
batteries?
> and no squared off America's Cup contestants....but plenty of square OSTAR winners.
Hmm. Y'know, if the actual performance of the Insolent 60 is what
PCB claims it'll be, that's awfully close to the numbers that the
IACC boats produce. If you stretched one a bit, and made it
nonfolding and nontrailerable, we could probably come up with a
one- or two-boat syndicate for the 2006 America's Cup for less
than the cost of the entry fee. The big variables would be making
her close-winded enough not to get killed on VMG upwind, and
whether the IACC rule forces you to use a sloop rig.
And since the resulting design can be sailed with a fairly small
crew, the whole thing could probably be funded by selling seats
for spectators to fill out the rest of the requirement of 17.
Hmm.
> No-one will ever gasp with admiration as a box floats by*evil chuckle* Wait until next year....
I thought the group may be interested in the following paragraph from an article that appeared in "Australian Amateur Boatbuilder" magazine #37 recently. The article was written by Derek Ellard who designs boats for Scruffie Marine www.scruffie.com.
"BOXES - LITTLE BOXES
I think this whole box thing has now gone too far. Take Bolger's boxes - fair enough, I suppose, I wouldn't be seen dead in one and, to be brutally frank, I've yet to find a single professional mariner or designer who has a good word for them. I do see the point, though - a cheap, simple box with a sharp end will certainly get you afloat and lets not forget Phil has designed some very nice craft in his time.
There are, however, no boxes in nature and waves aren't square, either. The Phoenicians did not trade in boxes, the Vikings did not raid in them. There were no tea-chest shaped clippers, no oblong battleships and no squared off America's Cup contestants. No-one will ever gasp with admiration as a box floats by and I don't think there will ever be a square rowing skiff.
But, without going into details (although I'm sure someone will) it's surely bleeding obvious that there are some big disadvantages to floating boxes."
I suggest if anyone feels as I do that these comments should not go unchallenged they write a letter or fax to Paul Lynch the Editor of Australian Amateur Boatbuilder.
His address is:
Suite 24, Cnr 8th Avenue and Gold coast Highway,
Palm Beach
Queensland, Australia
4221
Fax No. 61 7 5598 3024.
Signed Bolger fan
Peter Adams
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"BOXES - LITTLE BOXES
I think this whole box thing has now gone too far. Take Bolger's boxes - fair enough, I suppose, I wouldn't be seen dead in one and, to be brutally frank, I've yet to find a single professional mariner or designer who has a good word for them. I do see the point, though - a cheap, simple box with a sharp end will certainly get you afloat and lets not forget Phil has designed some very nice craft in his time.
There are, however, no boxes in nature and waves aren't square, either. The Phoenicians did not trade in boxes, the Vikings did not raid in them. There were no tea-chest shaped clippers, no oblong battleships and no squared off America's Cup contestants. No-one will ever gasp with admiration as a box floats by and I don't think there will ever be a square rowing skiff.
But, without going into details (although I'm sure someone will) it's surely bleeding obvious that there are some big disadvantages to floating boxes."
I suggest if anyone feels as I do that these comments should not go unchallenged they write a letter or fax to Paul Lynch the Editor of Australian Amateur Boatbuilder.
His address is:
Suite 24, Cnr 8th Avenue and Gold coast Highway,
Palm Beach
Queensland, Australia
4221
Fax No. 61 7 5598 3024.
Signed Bolger fan
Peter Adams
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