Re: Circumnavigating the Northeast
I think this is a very cool construction tech. I have also wondered
if you could you it in part of the construction of a "traditional
boat" if you could call Phil's boats traditional. For example we
could build a birdwatcher vessel using dacron streached over a frame
for all of the cabin exempt the windows. I know the windows comprise
a great deal of the cabin but it might still be worth doing. The
other thing you could do is build a boat plywood style too 6" above
the water line then build the rest with dacron over frame. This would
improve righting moment of these boats aswell.
Any thoughts????
Andy Moore
Nova Scotia
Canada
if you could you it in part of the construction of a "traditional
boat" if you could call Phil's boats traditional. For example we
could build a birdwatcher vessel using dacron streached over a frame
for all of the cabin exempt the windows. I know the windows comprise
a great deal of the cabin but it might still be worth doing. The
other thing you could do is build a boat plywood style too 6" above
the water line then build the rest with dacron over frame. This would
improve righting moment of these boats aswell.
Any thoughts????
Andy Moore
Nova Scotia
Canada
--- In bolger@y..., "Harry W. James" <welshman@p...> wrote:
> You want light, try Platt Montfort
>
>http://www.geodesicairoliteboats.com/
>
> Some of his designs have plywood bottoms for wear.
>
> HJ
>Susan , on our june bug , with almost the same draught , , you'd
> That's the biggest objection that I'm discovering to using the
> Windsprint for such a task, more so than its weight. It's
> rather strongly rockered, which is fine for blasting around
> Irondequoit Bay, but the rocker makes it draw six inches, which
> is a big problem for negotiating the headwaters of rivers. Is
> there a similar design out there that flattens out the rocker?
>
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@y...>
find the depth you can paddle into very shallow indeed.
We row right up to shore on a shallow lake then lift the bowor stern
so that almost half the boat is ashore and we walk off onto dry
land. . the rocker is a plus as these boats flooat in much less than
6" of water and stay manouverable. Turn in own lenght. we have to
load 6 people and a picnic to the bow OR stern to get wet.
maybe you need to borrow one and try it . you'll be be suprised
You want light, try Platt Montfort
http://www.geodesicairoliteboats.com/
Some of his designs have plywood bottoms for wear.
HJ
http://www.geodesicairoliteboats.com/
Some of his designs have plywood bottoms for wear.
HJ
>
> Bolger has a 12' Pirogue design that might work, and even has
> a sailing rig, but it doesn't look like there's much stowage
> space for camping gear. Another design that looks workable
> on the face of it is the CLC Mill Creek 15; it's very shallow,
> and weighs in at 44 lbs, which would make it an easy portage.
> And it can be converted into a trimaran for non-portage trips.
> Does anyone have any experience with these?
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>
>
> But it turned out that he had the same problems that the firstThat's the biggest objection that I'm discovering to using the
> steam boats had when they moved onto the "western" rivers in the
> early 1800s. Their design, though strong and seaworthy, drew
> too much water.
Windsprint for such a task, more so than its weight. It's
rather strongly rockered, which is fine for blasting around
Irondequoit Bay, but the rocker makes it draw six inches, which
is a big problem for negotiating the headwaters of rivers. Is
there a similar design out there that flattens out the rocker?
Bolger has a 12' Pirogue design that might work, and even has
a sailing rig, but it doesn't look like there's much stowage
space for camping gear. Another design that looks workable
on the face of it is the CLC Mill Creek 15; it's very shallow,
and weighs in at 44 lbs, which would make it an easy portage.
And it can be converted into a trimaran for non-portage trips.
Does anyone have any experience with these?
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Interesting lesson to be learned from this book. He looked for, and found,
a very seaworthy dory-style prop-driven boat for his trip. But it turned
out that he had the same problems that the first steam boats had when the
moved onto the "western" rivers in the early 1800s. Their design, though
strong and seaworthy, drew too much water. For the steamboaters the answer
was the evolution of the "engine on a raft" -- the classic Mississippi river
boat. I've grown up watching the prop boats give way to the planing jets
on our Oregon rivers. (It was cool to ride the old, prop-driven "Mail
Boats" on the lower Rogue though. Those guys knew their river).
I hope you can make the trip, it sounds like a great adventure.
Larry
a very seaworthy dory-style prop-driven boat for his trip. But it turned
out that he had the same problems that the first steam boats had when the
moved onto the "western" rivers in the early 1800s. Their design, though
strong and seaworthy, drew too much water. For the steamboaters the answer
was the evolution of the "engine on a raft" -- the classic Mississippi river
boat. I've grown up watching the prop boats give way to the planing jets
on our Oregon rivers. (It was cool to ride the old, prop-driven "Mail
Boats" on the lower Rogue though. Those guys knew their river).
I hope you can make the trip, it sounds like a great adventure.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "futabachan" <futabachan@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 7:43 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Circumnavigating the Northeast
> > William Least Heat-Moon in his book "River Horse" covers the
> > Allegheny and Ohio River portion of this. It is an interesting
> > book about his transversing the continent by boat(s) from New
> > York harbor to the Pacific Ocean at Astoria, Oregon.
>
> Omigoddess! This is *exactly* the voyage that I've been
> daydreaming about for years, and the reason why I'm building
> a Windsprint. And I'm a LH-M fan, having read _Prairyerth_
> as one of my CLSC books. Thanks for turning me on to this;
> I'll have to run over to EvilSouthAmericanRiver.com and grab
> a copy.
>
> -- Sue --
> (actually, the daydream is to do it as a "Lewis and Clark Race"
> from Washington, DC to Seattle, with a bunch of other similarly
> crazy folks, a la the Connecticut River Sunfish Regatta)
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
All the detail on the St. Lawrence is fascinating, particularly since I'm
headed up to our new facility on its shores next week, crossing first the
Thousand Islands Bridge and heading up towards Brockton. Like every other
place I go, it's going to kill me to be in such a great boating area and not
have a boat... well if the ice was gone, anyway!
JB in warm, sunny Georgia.
headed up to our new facility on its shores next week, crossing first the
Thousand Islands Bridge and heading up towards Brockton. Like every other
place I go, it's going to kill me to be in such a great boating area and not
have a boat... well if the ice was gone, anyway!
JB in warm, sunny Georgia.
----- Original Message -----
From: "brucehector" <bruce_hector@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:22 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Circumnavigating the Northeast
| An upstream traversal of the St. Lawrence Seaway is of course very
| possible in any vessel that can consistently make 6 knots or so. It
| just takes a lot more time and fuel than a downstream trip would.
| Don't forget that hundreds of ocean and lake freighters make this
|
Mr. Lenihan,
Pardon me if this has been posted already, but when I get to Nova
Scotia from Downeast Maine, do I take a left or right at the lights?
In other words,(you can tell I don't have nautical charts of the
area) do I need to go up the eastern seaboard til the cut between the
mainland and Cape Breton, or can I go up the Bay of Fundy and take a
canal of some kind (that doesn't show on my map).
We built the Cape Cod Canal for such a situation, I would have
thought the Nova Scotians would have done the same thing.
David Jost
"the only stupid question is the unasked one."
Pardon me if this has been posted already, but when I get to Nova
Scotia from Downeast Maine, do I take a left or right at the lights?
In other words,(you can tell I don't have nautical charts of the
area) do I need to go up the eastern seaboard til the cut between the
mainland and Cape Breton, or can I go up the Bay of Fundy and take a
canal of some kind (that doesn't show on my map).
We built the Cape Cod Canal for such a situation, I would have
thought the Nova Scotians would have done the same thing.
David Jost
"the only stupid question is the unasked one."
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> >
> > I'd also like to know more about the St.Lawrence river portion of
> the
> > trip. I've no doubt that I'd enjoy the rest of the route. Is the
> St.L
> > section as scenic? If not, is it an easy enough/quick enough
> passage
> > to make it worth completing the circle?
> >
> > Mr. Lenihan?
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David
> >
> > C.E.P.
> > 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
> > New York, New York 10001
> >http://www.crumblingempire.com
> > (212) 247-0296
> Caution: I believe there is another dam about halfway down toThere might be; I've never been that far down the river, except
> the I-80 bridge.
for brief fits of paddling about on the Clarion.
Oh! Actually I have: three different parties on the Gateway
Clipper. In addition to the hypothetical dam near I-80, there
are also a series of locks down near Pittsburgh. On the other
hand, I've seen sea kayakers paddling upstream in that direction,
not to mention barge traffic, so the locks must be reasonably
well staffed.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Thanks Peter, Your lake names are of course correct, my mistake. I'm
not sure about Melocheville, I don't know if it even had a municipal
name. It's a small marina/restaurant combo with a long dock and fuel
located on the Mohawk Reservation lands, pehaps 1/2 mile east of the
bridge on the US side.. Good food, and they let you moor overnight if
you dine there. Great sunset views as the bridge becomes backlit
against a fiery western sky. Quite a current though, it gently bumps
you rythmically against the pilings all night long. Not totally
unlike sleeping on a train. To depart in the morning just slip the
bow line first and you immeadiately swing out into the current. No
need for a spring line at all, even on a 5 ton houseboat. I do
recommend that you have your engine warmed up and in gear first, as
everything happens quite promptly after you let go forward.
We liked it there and have been back a few times since.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
not sure about Melocheville, I don't know if it even had a municipal
name. It's a small marina/restaurant combo with a long dock and fuel
located on the Mohawk Reservation lands, pehaps 1/2 mile east of the
bridge on the US side.. Good food, and they let you moor overnight if
you dine there. Great sunset views as the bridge becomes backlit
against a fiery western sky. Quite a current though, it gently bumps
you rythmically against the pilings all night long. Not totally
unlike sleeping on a train. To depart in the morning just slip the
bow line first and you immeadiately swing out into the current. No
need for a spring line at all, even on a 5 ton houseboat. I do
recommend that you have your engine warmed up and in gear first, as
everything happens quite promptly after you let go forward.
We liked it there and have been back a few times since.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
Caution: I believe there is another dam about halfway down to the I-80
bridge. As I recall, it had a drop of about 5'. I was researching the river
for a trip by hovercraft once.
Paul W. Esterle
Capt'n Pauley Video Productions
423.989.3159
S/V Bryn Awel, Columbia 10.7
Bristol, Tenn. USA
http://www.captnpauley.bigstep.com
http://pages.preferred.com/~pesterle/
bridge. As I recall, it had a drop of about 5'. I was researching the river
for a trip by hovercraft once.
Paul W. Esterle
Capt'n Pauley Video Productions
423.989.3159
S/V Bryn Awel, Columbia 10.7
Bristol, Tenn. USA
http://www.captnpauley.bigstep.com
http://pages.preferred.com/~pesterle/
----- Original Message -----
From: "futabachan" <futabachan@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:38 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Circumnavigating the Northeast
> > I'll be in a Bolger Topaz, 31' outboard cruiser. The
> > hull draws only 8"(not including the lower unit.)
> > Does that give you enough information to form a guess
> > as to where I could put in, say on French Creek or at
> > Warren, heading down?
>
> With an 8" draft, you'll definitely want to travel the
> Allegheny proper, rather than French Creek. Putting in
> at Kinzua Dam should work, so long as you don't try it
> during the spring flood or possibly a heavy drought.
>
> If you have some extra time, putting in just above Kinzua
> Dam, taking a side trip around the Allegheny Reservoir
> or upstream to Salamanca, then returning, hauling out,
> and putting in below the dam to continue your voyage might
> be a pleasant little extra.
>
> Disclaimer: I've only ever actually navigated any of these
> rivers in canoes, and there may be a shoal or patch of
> whitewater downstream of the sections that I've been on
> that I don't know about.
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>
>
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Sue,
This book somewhat inspired me (although my ambitions are much less
than his). This narrative, as well as some others about inland
cruising, is why I am building a power boat as my next project even
though I have been a sailor all my life.
Ralph
This book somewhat inspired me (although my ambitions are much less
than his). This narrative, as well as some others about inland
cruising, is why I am building a power boat as my next project even
though I have been a sailor all my life.
Ralph
--- In bolger@y..., "futabachan" <futabachan@y...> wrote:
> > William Least Heat-Moon in his book "River Horse" covers the
> > Allegheny and Ohio River portion of this. It is an interesting
> > book about his transversing the continent by boat(s) from New
> > York harbor to the Pacific Ocean at Astoria, Oregon.
>
> Omigoddess! This is *exactly* the voyage that I've been
> daydreaming about for years, and the reason why I'm building
> a Windsprint. And I'm a LH-M fan, having read _Prairyerth_
> as one of my CLSC books. Thanks for turning me on to this;
> I'll have to run over to EvilSouthAmericanRiver.com and grab
> a copy.
>
> -- Sue --
> (actually, the daydream is to do it as a "Lewis and Clark Race"
> from Washington, DC to Seattle, with a bunch of other similarly
> crazy folks, a la the Connecticut River Sunfish Regatta)
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@y...>
Bruce,
Excellent points! However,for the sake of not getting David(or
Susan) lost,as you came down the Ottawa River,you entered Lake of Two
Mountains THEN into Lac St.Louis,just bellow the dam.Melochville was
perhaps the name of the town where you found that little marina?
Once locked up and heading West,it was Lake St.Francis which heads
toward Cornwall.
Respectfully,
Peter Lenihan
Excellent points! However,for the sake of not getting David(or
Susan) lost,as you came down the Ottawa River,you entered Lake of Two
Mountains THEN into Lac St.Louis,just bellow the dam.Melochville was
perhaps the name of the town where you found that little marina?
Once locked up and heading West,it was Lake St.Francis which heads
toward Cornwall.
Respectfully,
Peter Lenihan
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
>
> Other areas of stiff currents from Montreal to Kingston are just
> below Beauharnois Dam and Lock at the west end of Lac des Deux
> Montagnes (Lake of Two Mountains) where Adagio needed 40 minutes at
> full bore to crab across the current in front of the dam. Luckily
> there is a marina there at the entrance to the lock where we filled
> up. Good thing too, the entire length of the Beauharnois chanel has
a
> stiff 3-4 knot current. Stay as close to the edge as you can, the
> flow is a bit weaker there and you'll be out of the way of
downbound
> freighters that cannot maneuver there or stop even if they wanted
to.
>
> Once into Las St. Louis current is negligible to a powerboat,
perhaps
> 1 knot until the narrows near Cornwall leading to the Eisenhower
Lock
> described above.
>
> William Least Heat-Moon in his book "River Horse" covers theOmigoddess! This is *exactly* the voyage that I've been
> Allegheny and Ohio River portion of this. It is an interesting
> book about his transversing the continent by boat(s) from New
> York harbor to the Pacific Ocean at Astoria, Oregon.
daydreaming about for years, and the reason why I'm building
a Windsprint. And I'm a LH-M fan, having read _Prairyerth_
as one of my CLSC books. Thanks for turning me on to this;
I'll have to run over to EvilSouthAmericanRiver.com and grab
a copy.
-- Sue --
(actually, the daydream is to do it as a "Lewis and Clark Race"
from Washington, DC to Seattle, with a bunch of other similarly
crazy folks, a la the Connecticut River Sunfish Regatta)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> I'll be in a Bolger Topaz, 31' outboard cruiser. TheWith an 8" draft, you'll definitely want to travel the
> hull draws only 8"(not including the lower unit.)
> Does that give you enough information to form a guess
> as to where I could put in, say on French Creek or at
> Warren, heading down?
Allegheny proper, rather than French Creek. Putting in
at Kinzua Dam should work, so long as you don't try it
during the spring flood or possibly a heavy drought.
If you have some extra time, putting in just above Kinzua
Dam, taking a side trip around the Allegheny Reservoir
or upstream to Salamanca, then returning, hauling out,
and putting in below the dam to continue your voyage might
be a pleasant little extra.
Disclaimer: I've only ever actually navigated any of these
rivers in canoes, and there may be a shoal or patch of
whitewater downstream of the sections that I've been on
that I don't know about.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
An upstream traversal of the St. Lawrence Seaway is of course very
possible in any vessel that can consistently make 6 knots or so. It
just takes a lot more time and fuel than a downstream trip would.
Don't forget that hundreds of ocean and lake freighters make this
trip every year,... both ways. Speed limit "over the bottom" in the
restricted chanels of the Seaway is 5 knots, and many of the
freigters cannot do that into a 5 knot current. I remember watching
an older mixed freight salty coming up the Cornwall chanel to the
Eisenhower lock, she had a tremendous cloud of dirty black smoke
roiling out of her stack, a huge bone in her teeth and she took an
hour to cover the 1 mile to the lock. But she made it.
I imagine my Adagio, with her top speed of 6 knots was a miniature
version of this, only the clouds of smoke were blue coming of my old
2 stroke Merc. It took us over an hour to get to the dock below the
lock. Then, because of the time of day and our fuel state we returned
to a marina a mile downstream for the night and to top up all tanks.
I didn't want to get out into the river upstream of Massena, NY with
low tanks, night falling and no more marina's for 30 miles or so.
Other areas of stiff currents from Montreal to Kingston are just
below Beauharnois Dam and Lock at the west end of Lac des Deux
Montagnes (Lake of Two Mountains) where Adagio needed 40 minutes at
full bore to crab across the current in front of the dam. Luckily
there is a marina there at the entrance to the lock where we filled
up. Good thing too, the entire length of the Beauharnois chanel has a
stiff 3-4 knot current. Stay as close to the edge as you can, the
flow is a bit weaker there and you'll be out of the way of downbound
freighters that cannot maneuver there or stop even if they wanted to.
Once into Las St. Louis current is negligible to a powerboat, perhaps
1 knot until the narrows near Cornwall leading to the Eisenhower Lock
described above.
The next significant currents are from the Iroquois lock to Prescott,
ON a 15 mile stretch with strong currents in the navigation channel
of from 2-4 knots. These channels are maintained at a minimum of 30',
so if you watch your charts and fixes you can get out of them and
find much reduced flows closer to shore. After Cardinal, ON it's a
beautiful and historic side trip to follow the abandoned Galop canal
to the Prescott bridge. You pass through locks with no gates, pass
old stoneworks and dams, all in reduced current over a 20' deep
channel.
From Prescott to the International Bridges over the Thousnad Islands
current is again less tha a knot.
At the 1000 Is. bridges and their approaches you encounter the last
stiff currents of the river. Probably 1.5-2 knots with some local
whirlpools in the Canadian channel where an underwater version of
Niagra Falls is formed as the river takes an abrupt drop form 20'
deep to 150+, but don't miss it. It's really neat, just be ready for
it and don't be alarmed if full left rudder won't counter the
rightward spin. That's half the fun and the Canadian span chanel is
dotted with dozens of beautiful rocky outcrop islands and quite
rewarding. The US chanel under the bridge is a straighter run with
the slightly less pristine scenery of Millionaire's Row and Boldt
Castle, but really, if you make it to the 1000 islands you owe it to
yourself to spends a few days minimum exploring this unique cruising
area. Lots of interesting river front towns, national park islands on
both sides of the river and our "River Rat" personality. (Border,
what border?, my personal record for crossings in one day without
bothering either countries customs agents is 22, but I admit to
intentionally trying to set some kind od dubious record.)
Of course if you're sailing all these comments are out the window. In
light airs you sometimes can't make any headway whatsoever. I once
sailed upstream fo 3 straight hours in my Tanzer but was still beside
the same island when I gave up and started the mill. Or if you're
tackng against both wind and current you'll be making negative
headway in any of the areas discussed above.
Have a great trip and be sure to call in at Kingston, a superb
nautical city and call me.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
possible in any vessel that can consistently make 6 knots or so. It
just takes a lot more time and fuel than a downstream trip would.
Don't forget that hundreds of ocean and lake freighters make this
trip every year,... both ways. Speed limit "over the bottom" in the
restricted chanels of the Seaway is 5 knots, and many of the
freigters cannot do that into a 5 knot current. I remember watching
an older mixed freight salty coming up the Cornwall chanel to the
Eisenhower lock, she had a tremendous cloud of dirty black smoke
roiling out of her stack, a huge bone in her teeth and she took an
hour to cover the 1 mile to the lock. But she made it.
I imagine my Adagio, with her top speed of 6 knots was a miniature
version of this, only the clouds of smoke were blue coming of my old
2 stroke Merc. It took us over an hour to get to the dock below the
lock. Then, because of the time of day and our fuel state we returned
to a marina a mile downstream for the night and to top up all tanks.
I didn't want to get out into the river upstream of Massena, NY with
low tanks, night falling and no more marina's for 30 miles or so.
Other areas of stiff currents from Montreal to Kingston are just
below Beauharnois Dam and Lock at the west end of Lac des Deux
Montagnes (Lake of Two Mountains) where Adagio needed 40 minutes at
full bore to crab across the current in front of the dam. Luckily
there is a marina there at the entrance to the lock where we filled
up. Good thing too, the entire length of the Beauharnois chanel has a
stiff 3-4 knot current. Stay as close to the edge as you can, the
flow is a bit weaker there and you'll be out of the way of downbound
freighters that cannot maneuver there or stop even if they wanted to.
Once into Las St. Louis current is negligible to a powerboat, perhaps
1 knot until the narrows near Cornwall leading to the Eisenhower Lock
described above.
The next significant currents are from the Iroquois lock to Prescott,
ON a 15 mile stretch with strong currents in the navigation channel
of from 2-4 knots. These channels are maintained at a minimum of 30',
so if you watch your charts and fixes you can get out of them and
find much reduced flows closer to shore. After Cardinal, ON it's a
beautiful and historic side trip to follow the abandoned Galop canal
to the Prescott bridge. You pass through locks with no gates, pass
old stoneworks and dams, all in reduced current over a 20' deep
channel.
From Prescott to the International Bridges over the Thousnad Islands
current is again less tha a knot.
At the 1000 Is. bridges and their approaches you encounter the last
stiff currents of the river. Probably 1.5-2 knots with some local
whirlpools in the Canadian channel where an underwater version of
Niagra Falls is formed as the river takes an abrupt drop form 20'
deep to 150+, but don't miss it. It's really neat, just be ready for
it and don't be alarmed if full left rudder won't counter the
rightward spin. That's half the fun and the Canadian span chanel is
dotted with dozens of beautiful rocky outcrop islands and quite
rewarding. The US chanel under the bridge is a straighter run with
the slightly less pristine scenery of Millionaire's Row and Boldt
Castle, but really, if you make it to the 1000 islands you owe it to
yourself to spends a few days minimum exploring this unique cruising
area. Lots of interesting river front towns, national park islands on
both sides of the river and our "River Rat" personality. (Border,
what border?, my personal record for crossings in one day without
bothering either countries customs agents is 22, but I admit to
intentionally trying to set some kind od dubious record.)
Of course if you're sailing all these comments are out the window. In
light airs you sometimes can't make any headway whatsoever. I once
sailed upstream fo 3 straight hours in my Tanzer but was still beside
the same island when I gave up and started the mill. Or if you're
tackng against both wind and current you'll be making negative
headway in any of the areas discussed above.
Have a great trip and be sure to call in at Kingston, a superb
nautical city and call me.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
Thanks for the information, Sue. I was born in Erie,
too, but left as a toddler.
I'll be in a Bolger Topaz, 31' outboard cruiser. The
hull draws only 8"(not including the lower unit.)
Does that give you enough information to form a guess
as to where I could put in, say on French Creek or at
Warren, heading down? Bolger estimates a top speed
with my motor of about 15 knots, I am hoping to cruise
at 10, so I can handle a certain amount of current.
Sam
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too, but left as a toddler.
I'll be in a Bolger Topaz, 31' outboard cruiser. The
hull draws only 8"(not including the lower unit.)
Does that give you enough information to form a guess
as to where I could put in, say on French Creek or at
Warren, heading down? Bolger estimates a top speed
with my motor of about 15 knots, I am hoping to cruise
at 10, so I can handle a certain amount of current.
Sam
---
> Could you define "going up" and "head of__________________________________________________
> navigation?" How
> much does the boat you'd be using draw? Will you be
> sailing,
> paddling, or under power?
>
> The "head of navigation" varies sharply depending on
> your draft,
> and which tributary you head up. If you're in
> something ultra-
> shallow, such as a Birdwatcher or Windsprint, you
> could
> conceivably get as far as Waterford, PA (up French
> Creek) or
> Mayville, NY (on Chautauqua Lake) -- but perhaps not
> this year,
> since we're having a severe drought. You'd be
> fighting some
> strong current in a narrow river and would need to
> row, paddle,
> or use a motor unless you caught a very windy day
> with the
> wind blowing in just the right direction.
>
> The Allegheny proper is blocked by Kinzua Dam; if
> you're able
> to portage or trailer around it, the Allegheny
> Reservoir is a
> wonderful spot to camp cruise. Below Kinzua dam,
> Connewago
> Creek feeds in to the Allegheny; up the Connewago,
> the Chadakoin
> feeds in, which drains out of Chautauqua Lake. Or
> you could
> leave the Allegheny at Franklin, PA, and head up
> French Creek
> to Waterford.
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>
>
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William Least Heat-Moon in his book "River Horse" covers the
Allegheny and Ohio River portion of this. It is an interesting book
about his transversing the continent by boat(s) from New York harbor
to the Pacific Ocean at Astoria, Oregon. You can read more at
http://www.heat-moon.com/riverh.html
Ralph
Allegheny and Ohio River portion of this. It is an interesting book
about his transversing the continent by boat(s) from New York harbor
to the Pacific Ocean at Astoria, Oregon. You can read more at
http://www.heat-moon.com/riverh.html
Ralph
--- In bolger@y..., Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...> wrote:
> Does anyone have experience going up the Ohio to
> Pittsburgh? And up the Allegheny as far as the head
> of navigation? I have a hankering to trailer to
> western PA, run down the Ohio and Tenn-Tom, across
> Florida and up the ICW home to Delaware. Another
> option is to put in in Knoxville, and down the
> Tennessee to the Tenn-Tom etc. Its fun to dream,
> anyway.
> > If you left early enough and finished up your cruise huggingthe coast of Maine,are hurricanes much of a risk that far North in
late September?
I've been meaning to say that in planning schedule, you must allow a
considerable amount for days when prudence dictates that you remain
in port. This could be 2 days out of a week on average. It allows for
strong headwinds as well as all around stormy weather. Fog is a big
issue on the northern seacoast.
Preparation includes allowing for staying sane while trapped in the
boat in port.
Peter
> If you left early enough and finished up your cruise hugging theTake it from a surfer, the hurricane season is at it's peak in
>coast of Maine,are hurricanes much of a risk that far North in late
>September?
September, and is only slightly decreased in October.
The chance of a hurricane actually visiting along NS/Maine is remote
no matter what month it is. But the chance of being affected by
*significant* hurricane produced swells during September is a virtual
certitude.
YIBB,
David
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(Background: I grew up in Erie, PA, used to live in Pittsburgh,
and have summered every year at Chautauqua Institution.)
much does the boat you'd be using draw? Will you be sailing,
paddling, or under power?
The "head of navigation" varies sharply depending on your draft,
and which tributary you head up. If you're in something ultra-
shallow, such as a Birdwatcher or Windsprint, you could
conceivably get as far as Waterford, PA (up French Creek) or
Mayville, NY (on Chautauqua Lake) -- but perhaps not this year,
since we're having a severe drought. You'd be fighting some
strong current in a narrow river and would need to row, paddle,
or use a motor unless you caught a very windy day with the
wind blowing in just the right direction.
The Allegheny proper is blocked by Kinzua Dam; if you're able
to portage or trailer around it, the Allegheny Reservoir is a
wonderful spot to camp cruise. Below Kinzua dam, Connewago
Creek feeds in to the Allegheny; up the Connewago, the Chadakoin
feeds in, which drains out of Chautauqua Lake. Or you could
leave the Allegheny at Franklin, PA, and head up French Creek
to Waterford.
The entire Allegheny is pretty strong for most of its length,
as is the Ohio at Pittsburgh. Nearly all boating in Pittsburgh
proper is under power; sailors generally do their sailing on
Lake Arthur to the north (which is where I sailed when I
lived in Pittsburgh) or Deep Creek Lake in western Maryland.
not up, even more so than on the St. Lawrence. You could
put in below Kinzua Dam (near Warren) -- or if you wanted to
do the full circle, run from Delware to New York City, up
the Hudson to the Erie Canal, out the canal to Lake Erie,
along the southern shore to Westfield, NY, haul out and
trailer or portage to Mayville, and head south from there.
Or to Erie, PA, and trailer to Waterford or Warren.
In fact, if your boat has a trailer weight of 3500 lbs. or
less, I'd be glad to haul you to the river from Lake Erie....
-- Sue --
(who's been daydreaming of trying something like this in a
portageable camp cruiser for years. Yes, I'm crazy. :-) )
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
and have summered every year at Chautauqua Institution.)
> Does anyone have experience going up the Ohio toCould you define "going up" and "head of navigation?" How
> Pittsburgh? And up the Allegheny as far as the head
> of navigation?
much does the boat you'd be using draw? Will you be sailing,
paddling, or under power?
The "head of navigation" varies sharply depending on your draft,
and which tributary you head up. If you're in something ultra-
shallow, such as a Birdwatcher or Windsprint, you could
conceivably get as far as Waterford, PA (up French Creek) or
Mayville, NY (on Chautauqua Lake) -- but perhaps not this year,
since we're having a severe drought. You'd be fighting some
strong current in a narrow river and would need to row, paddle,
or use a motor unless you caught a very windy day with the
wind blowing in just the right direction.
The Allegheny proper is blocked by Kinzua Dam; if you're able
to portage or trailer around it, the Allegheny Reservoir is a
wonderful spot to camp cruise. Below Kinzua dam, Connewago
Creek feeds in to the Allegheny; up the Connewago, the Chadakoin
feeds in, which drains out of Chautauqua Lake. Or you could
leave the Allegheny at Franklin, PA, and head up French Creek
to Waterford.
The entire Allegheny is pretty strong for most of its length,
as is the Ohio at Pittsburgh. Nearly all boating in Pittsburgh
proper is under power; sailors generally do their sailing on
Lake Arthur to the north (which is where I sailed when I
lived in Pittsburgh) or Deep Creek Lake in western Maryland.
> I have a hankering to trailer toYes, you'd definitely want to do this trip going downstream,
> western PA, run down the Ohio and Tenn-Tom, across
> Florida and up the ICW home to Delaware.
not up, even more so than on the St. Lawrence. You could
put in below Kinzua Dam (near Warren) -- or if you wanted to
do the full circle, run from Delware to New York City, up
the Hudson to the Erie Canal, out the canal to Lake Erie,
along the southern shore to Westfield, NY, haul out and
trailer or portage to Mayville, and head south from there.
Or to Erie, PA, and trailer to Waterford or Warren.
In fact, if your boat has a trailer weight of 3500 lbs. or
less, I'd be glad to haul you to the river from Lake Erie....
-- Sue --
(who's been daydreaming of trying something like this in a
portageable camp cruiser for years. Yes, I'm crazy. :-) )
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Me too, I rode from Boston to Nova Scotia twice when I was young and
foolish. Now with an extra 30 lbs, and family that is out of the
question. My first adventure will be to get water under Firefly's
keel, then maybe out to Monomoy , Stage Harbor, perhaps Edgartown in
August.
the biggest weather obstacle looks like fog in July downeast. I
have done the crossing to Yarmouth N.S a couple of times and I know
that for most of the trip it is pea soup. Maybe hanging some
aluminum pie plates off the main would do the trick.
I used to tour on my bicycle. Back then
foolish. Now with an extra 30 lbs, and family that is out of the
question. My first adventure will be to get water under Firefly's
keel, then maybe out to Monomoy , Stage Harbor, perhaps Edgartown in
August.
the biggest weather obstacle looks like fog in July downeast. I
have done the crossing to Yarmouth N.S a couple of times and I know
that for most of the trip it is pea soup. Maybe hanging some
aluminum pie plates off the main would do the trick.
I used to tour on my bicycle. Back then
> the question was elevation change. But then as now, any circuitroute
> is a zero sum game.
>
> I think clockwise or anticlockwise it would be an amazing trip. I
> think I'd regret not going more than going the "wrong way."
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> C.E.P.
> 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, New York 10001
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> (212) 247-0296
Does anyone have experience going up the Ohio to
Pittsburgh? And up the Allegheny as far as the head
of navigation? I have a hankering to trailer to
western PA, run down the Ohio and Tenn-Tom, across
Florida and up the ICW home to Delaware. Another
option is to put in in Knoxville, and down the
Tennessee to the Tenn-Tom etc. Its fun to dream,
anyway.
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Pittsburgh? And up the Allegheny as far as the head
of navigation? I have a hankering to trailer to
western PA, run down the Ohio and Tenn-Tom, across
Florida and up the ICW home to Delaware. Another
option is to put in in Knoxville, and down the
Tennessee to the Tenn-Tom etc. Its fun to dream,
anyway.
--- "Paul W. Esterle" <pesterle@...> wrote:
> A better Great Circle trip is to go south on the__________________________________________________
> Mississippi to the Ohio, up
> the Ohio to the Tennessee. From there down to the
> Tenn-Tom canal and south
> to Mobile Bay.
>
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>I was figuring in on 20 mile days. I think my keester might get soreI'm figuring on doing it in something somewhat bigger (and faster)
>from all of that sitting in Micro's cockpit. time to stop dreaming
>and get building.
than a Micro. I did a quick click-through on maps.yahoo.com and got
well into Lands End in Gaspe in 30 clicks -- most in the 20-30 range,
a few less, none longer than 40-50 miles. Photos of the coastlines in
question look unbelievably beautiful.
I've also been looking at weather data for the past few years for the
area in question during the months in question. Looks like no matter
which way you go to get to the end of Gaspe, it's going to be a bit
of a slog to get back home. I used to tour on my bicycle. Back then
the question was elevation change. But then as now, any circuit route
is a zero sum game.
I think clockwise or anticlockwise it would be an amazing trip. I
think I'd regret not going more than going the "wrong way."
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
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New York, New York 10001
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I was figuring in on 20 mile days. I think my keester might get sore
from all of that sitting in Micro's cockpit. time to stop dreaming
and get building.
David Jost
from all of that sitting in Micro's cockpit. time to stop dreaming
and get building.
David Jost
>boat
> In my mind, the trip would be made in +/-50 mile hops. One day of
> cruising and one day of enjoying the people and sites of where ever
> ended up. That would give a chance to shoot a wide variety of
> pictures and video, as a boat underway looks more or less like a
> underway.please.
>
> So, more reports from people who've been there or live there
> We're getting excited!
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> C.E.P.
> 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, New York 10001
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> (212) 247-0296
David,
I too share this same fantasy, that is why I started building
Micro. I like your solution to the east coasts of Nova Scotia and
New Brunskwick. the truck will work.
I originally thought that sailing Micro counterclockwise around
the circuit would be best in terms of wind direction and Hudson River
current. since I am starting from Cape Cod, the gulf of Maine is
just a hop skip and a jump away (albeit the long way around the Cape
makes for a very, very, long first night (Ptown is a great resting
spot). The canal is very busy, with the entrance to Buzzard's Bay
rather unpredicatable. Perhaps a tow through?
Peter talked me out of it, or at least convinced me not to try the
St. Lawrence river backwards. How about sailing to Yarmouth NS, then
trucking back to the start and going the other way. Does that count
as a circumnavigation of sorts?
David Jost
"if you're fond of sand dunes, and salty air..."
I too share this same fantasy, that is why I started building
Micro. I like your solution to the east coasts of Nova Scotia and
New Brunskwick. the truck will work.
I originally thought that sailing Micro counterclockwise around
the circuit would be best in terms of wind direction and Hudson River
current. since I am starting from Cape Cod, the gulf of Maine is
just a hop skip and a jump away (albeit the long way around the Cape
makes for a very, very, long first night (Ptown is a great resting
spot). The canal is very busy, with the entrance to Buzzard's Bay
rather unpredicatable. Perhaps a tow through?
Peter talked me out of it, or at least convinced me not to try the
St. Lawrence river backwards. How about sailing to Yarmouth NS, then
trucking back to the start and going the other way. Does that count
as a circumnavigation of sorts?
David Jost
"if you're fond of sand dunes, and salty air..."
> a truck to get us across to the PEI side and then head North to the
> St. Lawrence and come home through Montreal.
>
> I know we've got some people on here who call parts of this route
> home. Any information/opinions would be appreciated.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> C.E.P.
> 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, New York 10001
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> (212) 247-0296
Maybe so, maybe so.
FYI, just took delivery on $700 of steel and waiting for the 10400 lbs. axle
(s) kit to get here weld up the trailer.
Basically building a 20 foot flat deck trailer with a 4 foot tougue. This
trailer will be used for hauling bits and pieces while building. A bolt on
extension of 25 feet in the shape of an A frame for hauling the boat.
It starts......
Jeff
FYI, just took delivery on $700 of steel and waiting for the 10400 lbs. axle
(s) kit to get here weld up the trailer.
Basically building a 20 foot flat deck trailer with a 4 foot tougue. This
trailer will be used for hauling bits and pieces while building. A bolt on
extension of 25 feet in the shape of an A frame for hauling the boat.
It starts......
Jeff
>
>
>
> Jeff --
>
> I've been doing map research.
>
> The entire coastline is peppered with little fishing villages, often
> less then 10KM apart. I'd be very surprised if you couldn't sneak a
> Wyo along the coast with little or no trouble. My only concern is that
> she might not be the most comfortable boat in even a modest
> cross chop.
>
> But with the speed and range your talking about having on your boat,
> plus having the luxury of not having to go out in anything less the
> than conditions of your choosing, I bet it would be a wonderful trip!
>
> Meet you up there?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
Jeff --
I've been doing map research.
The entire coastline is peppered with little fishing villages, often
less then 10KM apart. I'd be very surprised if you couldn't sneak a
Wyo along the coast with little or no trouble. My only concern is
that she might not be the most comfortable boat in even a modest
cross chop.
But with the speed and range your talking about having on your boat,
plus having the luxury of not having to go out in anything less the
than conditions of your choosing, I bet it would be a wonderful trip!
Meet you up there?
YIBB,
David
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I've been doing map research.
The entire coastline is peppered with little fishing villages, often
less then 10KM apart. I'd be very surprised if you couldn't sneak a
Wyo along the coast with little or no trouble. My only concern is
that she might not be the most comfortable boat in even a modest
cross chop.
But with the speed and range your talking about having on your boat,
plus having the luxury of not having to go out in anything less the
than conditions of your choosing, I bet it would be a wonderful trip!
Meet you up there?
YIBB,
David
>With the experience of this group, I'd like to continue on David's thoughtsC.E.P.
>as to if the Wyoming could do such a trip. I had originally written off
>this part of our adventure after deciding to go with the Wyo. I was just
>going to go down the Champlain trip. Any thoughts?
>
>Jeff
>
>>
>> Peter; sounds like a great trip, I agree with David though try to do
>> this down river. I have some Navy experience on the St. Lawrence
>> and lived in Quebec City for a while the current in that part of the
>> river can be quite strong. The current up there is not all river
>> current though it is actually tidal at Quebec City; its strong because
>> the river is so narrow. I'm from Nova Scotia and you cound
>> sail from PEI to the Canso Causeway and down the east and south coast
>> of Nova Scotia cross the Fundy to Maine ...; We don't bite, over
>> here you know. By the way the Fundy tides are also murder.
>>
>> Andy Moore
>> Halifax
>> Nova Scotia
>> Canada
>>
>> -- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>> > FBBB --
>
>
>
>
>
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With the experience of this group, I'd like to continue on David's thoughts
as to if the Wyoming could do such a trip. I had originally written off
this part of our adventure after deciding to go with the Wyo. I was just
going to go down the Champlain trip. Any thoughts?
Jeff
as to if the Wyoming could do such a trip. I had originally written off
this part of our adventure after deciding to go with the Wyo. I was just
going to go down the Champlain trip. Any thoughts?
Jeff
>
> Peter; sounds like a great trip, I agree with David though try to do
> this down river. I have some Navy experience on the St. Lawrence
> and lived in Quebec City for a while the current in that part of the
> river can be quite strong. The current up there is not all river
> current though it is actually tidal at Quebec City; its strong because
> the river is so narrow. I'm from Nova Scotia and you cound
> sail from PEI to the Canso Causeway and down the east and south coast
> of Nova Scotia cross the Fundy to Maine ...; We don't bite, over
> here you know. By the way the Fundy tides are also murder.
>
> Andy Moore
> Halifax
> Nova Scotia
> Canada
>
> -- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> > FBBB --
Specifics, Peter, specifics.
Rimouski? Mantane? St Anne Des Monts? Gasp? More?
Inquiring minds want to know!
YIBB,
David
Rimouski? Mantane? St Anne Des Monts? Gasp? More?
Inquiring minds want to know!
YIBB,
David
>David,
> Its entire length........:-(
>
>
> Peter
>>
>> How far down stream does the St.L carry current?
>>
>> YIBB,
>>
>> David
>>
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>
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Peter; sounds like a great trip, I agree with David though try to do
this down river. I have some Navy experience on the St. Lawrence and
lived in Quebec City for a while the current in that part of the river
can be quite strong. The current up there is not all river current
though it is actually tidal at Quebec City; its strong because the
river is so narrow. I'm from Nova Scotia and you cound sail from PEI
to the Canso Causeway and down the east and south coast of Nova Scotia
cross the Fundy to Maine ...; We don't bite, over here you know. By
the way the Fundy tides are also murder.
Andy Moore
Halifax
Nova Scotia
Canada
-- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
this down river. I have some Navy experience on the St. Lawrence and
lived in Quebec City for a while the current in that part of the river
can be quite strong. The current up there is not all river current
though it is actually tidal at Quebec City; its strong because the
river is so narrow. I'm from Nova Scotia and you cound sail from PEI
to the Canso Causeway and down the east and south coast of Nova Scotia
cross the Fundy to Maine ...; We don't bite, over here you know. By
the way the Fundy tides are also murder.
Andy Moore
Halifax
Nova Scotia
Canada
-- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> FBBB --
>
> I'm looking at the map and thinking it would be a pretty good
> adventure to do a sail around the Northeast via the coast, St.
> Lawrence seaway, Champlain Canal and Hudson River.
>
> I was thinking counter clockwise would be the way to go, sailing up
> around Mass, along Maine and then into the Bay of Fundy. Then higher
> a truck to get us across to the PEI side and then head North to the
> St. Lawrence and come home through Montreal.
>
> I know we've got some people on here who call parts of this route
> home. Any information/opinions would be appreciated.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> C.E.P.
> 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, New York 10001
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David,
Its entire length........:-(
Peter
Its entire length........:-(
Peter
>
> How far down stream does the St.L carry current?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> C.E.P.
> 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
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> But of course if you do go via the Champlain canal you'll miss theOr, better yet, come out the Erie Canal to Rochester, join up with
> most incredible boating scenery in North Ameriaca, the Thousand
> Islands between Kingston and Brockville. Consider a lateral jaunt
> from the Hudson River via the NY State Barge Canal (aka the Erie
> Canal) to Oswego, cross Lake Ontario to Kingston so I can see your
> boat, then follow the St. Lawrence Seaway to the Atlantic Ocean.
my boat, and we can treat the entire lake (including Bruce) to the
spectacle of our two boats sailing together. Alternatively, we
could meet on Lake Champlain, turn around back down the Hudson to
the Canal to Oswego, cross to Kingston and drop in on Bruce, and
then I could turn around and head home.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
A better Great Circle trip is to go south on the Mississippi to the Ohio, up
the Ohio to the Tennessee. From there down to the Tenn-Tom canal and south
to Mobile Bay. This avoids all the ugly parts of the Mississippi - high
levees, ocean freighter traffic and swift currents.
Paul W. Esterle
Capt'n Pauley Video Productions
423.989.3159
S/V Bryn Awel, Columbia 10.7
Bristol, Tenn. USA
http://www.captnpauley.bigstep.com
http://pages.preferred.com/~pesterle/
the Ohio to the Tennessee. From there down to the Tenn-Tom canal and south
to Mobile Bay. This avoids all the ugly parts of the Mississippi - high
levees, ocean freighter traffic and swift currents.
Paul W. Esterle
Capt'n Pauley Video Productions
423.989.3159
S/V Bryn Awel, Columbia 10.7
Bristol, Tenn. USA
http://www.captnpauley.bigstep.com
http://pages.preferred.com/~pesterle/
About a thousand kilometers or so from Kingston. It decreases as the
river widens aast of Quebec City but would still be a factor out into
the Gulf of St. Lawrence.
Bruce
river widens aast of Quebec City but would still be a factor out into
the Gulf of St. Lawrence.
Bruce
>I definitely agree with Peter, downstream is the way to do the St.How far down stream does the St.L carry current?
>Lawrence, quicker and cheaper. My Adagio could barely make any
>headway against the 6 knot current below some of the dams. The
>undewater waterfall and whirlpools at Ivy Lea are prettty quick too.
YIBB,
David
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My apologies, I thought I'd made a page at www.brucesboats.com about
the beautiful Thousand Islands. I just checked the site and found
that I had neglected to do so. That'll be my next project, as I have
(somewhere around here) hundreds of boating and screnery photos from
around here.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
ps. Another great circumnavigation here in the East is the Great
Circle Route. From the Graet Lakes you take the canal south out of
Chicago to the Mississippi. Follow "ol man river to the Gulf and then
take the Inter Coastal Waterway up the Eastern Seaboard to return via
either the St. Lawrence or the Hudson/Erie route. Quite a trip.
the beautiful Thousand Islands. I just checked the site and found
that I had neglected to do so. That'll be my next project, as I have
(somewhere around here) hundreds of boating and screnery photos from
around here.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
ps. Another great circumnavigation here in the East is the Great
Circle Route. From the Graet Lakes you take the canal south out of
Chicago to the Mississippi. Follow "ol man river to the Gulf and then
take the Inter Coastal Waterway up the Eastern Seaboard to return via
either the St. Lawrence or the Hudson/Erie route. Quite a trip.
The St. Lawrence portion may easily be the most picturesque portion.
It definetely is the most interesting. The Norway like fjords, the
Beluga whales at Tadousac, the French flair, culture and quisine,
Quebec City and Montreal are beautiful, historic cities. The riverine
traffic of lakers and ocean going freighters to gawk at, all this and
more.
But of course if you do go via the Champlain canal you'll miss the
most incredible boating scenery in North Ameriaca, the Thousand
Islands between Kingston and Brockville. Consider a lateral jaunt
from the Hudson River via the NY State Barge Canal (aka the Erie
Canal) to Oswego, cross Lake Ontario to Kingston so I can see your
boat, then follow the St. Lawrence Seaway to the Atlantic Ocean.
I definitely agree with Peter, downstream is the way to do the St.
Lawrence, quicker and cheaper. My Adagio could barely make any
headway against the 6 knot current below some of the dams. The
undewater waterfall and whirlpools at Ivy Lea are prettty quick too.
Once in the Atlantic you have more latitude to change your course and
make better use of an unfavorable breeze. In the bouyed and
controlled rivers and canals you don't have that option.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
Where this is a small collection of Kingston and Thousand Islands
photos.
It definetely is the most interesting. The Norway like fjords, the
Beluga whales at Tadousac, the French flair, culture and quisine,
Quebec City and Montreal are beautiful, historic cities. The riverine
traffic of lakers and ocean going freighters to gawk at, all this and
more.
But of course if you do go via the Champlain canal you'll miss the
most incredible boating scenery in North Ameriaca, the Thousand
Islands between Kingston and Brockville. Consider a lateral jaunt
from the Hudson River via the NY State Barge Canal (aka the Erie
Canal) to Oswego, cross Lake Ontario to Kingston so I can see your
boat, then follow the St. Lawrence Seaway to the Atlantic Ocean.
I definitely agree with Peter, downstream is the way to do the St.
Lawrence, quicker and cheaper. My Adagio could barely make any
headway against the 6 knot current below some of the dams. The
undewater waterfall and whirlpools at Ivy Lea are prettty quick too.
Once in the Atlantic you have more latitude to change your course and
make better use of an unfavorable breeze. In the bouyed and
controlled rivers and canals you don't have that option.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
Where this is a small collection of Kingston and Thousand Islands
photos.
Mr.Ryan,
Beauty is so subjective as to make it hard to decide for you.The
views are of typical(?) ancient flood plains turned to farms with
villages sprinkled along the coast.Church spires serve to locate
these towns and to facilitate navigation.Distant horizons,both to the
North and South of the river are dotted with relatively dense mixed
forests,with soft rolling hills left over from the last ice age.
As you move further East(downstream) the terrain becomes somewhat
more rugged and the population sparse.Where communities exists,the
people tend toward friendliness and the culture a rich mix of old
European French/Irish stock.
Without wishing to become a travel guide and boring the group to
death,I'll finish up by saying that some of the sights can be so bold
and beautiful as to make even the most blasé hold their breath in
stark wonder.
Go for it!!
Sincerely,
Mr.Lenihan
Beauty is so subjective as to make it hard to decide for you.The
views are of typical(?) ancient flood plains turned to farms with
villages sprinkled along the coast.Church spires serve to locate
these towns and to facilitate navigation.Distant horizons,both to the
North and South of the river are dotted with relatively dense mixed
forests,with soft rolling hills left over from the last ice age.
As you move further East(downstream) the terrain becomes somewhat
more rugged and the population sparse.Where communities exists,the
people tend toward friendliness and the culture a rich mix of old
European French/Irish stock.
Without wishing to become a travel guide and boring the group to
death,I'll finish up by saying that some of the sights can be so bold
and beautiful as to make even the most blasé hold their breath in
stark wonder.
Go for it!!
Sincerely,
Mr.Lenihan
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>
> I'd also like to know more about the St.Lawrence river portion of
the
> trip. I've no doubt that I'd enjoy the rest of the route. Is the
St.L
> section as scenic? If not, is it an easy enough/quick enough
passage
> to make it worth completing the circle?
>
> Mr. Lenihan?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> C.E.P.
> 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, New York 10001
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> (212) 247-0296
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
better in a pure riverine setting, though, since it has
provisions for keeping the mast struck down; you'd need to
give some thought as to where to stow the BDS masts in such
a way that they don't roll overboard or get in the way.
Something along the lines of the Jochems Family Schooner,
with tabernacle masts that fold down atop a Birdwatcher-style
cabin, might be ideal, or perhaps something along those lines
but bigger. And Jochems has water ballast and full positive
buoyancy, doesn't she?
-- Sue --
(does Revised Martha Jane have tabernacle masts?)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> --- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:BDS, perhaps, as in "Breakdown Schooner?" The AS29 would do
> > that the LMII, AS29, and the DBS would all handle the riverine
> > legs
>
> Loose Moose II, Advanced Sharpie 29 I know, but translate "DBS"
> please.
better in a pure riverine setting, though, since it has
provisions for keeping the mast struck down; you'd need to
give some thought as to where to stow the BDS masts in such
a way that they don't roll overboard or get in the way.
Something along the lines of the Jochems Family Schooner,
with tabernacle masts that fold down atop a Birdwatcher-style
cabin, might be ideal, or perhaps something along those lines
but bigger. And Jochems has water ballast and full positive
buoyancy, doesn't she?
-- Sue --
(does Revised Martha Jane have tabernacle masts?)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> Loose Moose II, Advanced Sharpie 29 I know, but translate "DBS"I assumed it was a mistype of BDS or Breakdown Schooner, a three part
> please.
vessel from BWAOM.
>--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:That's dyslexic for BDS, which is the BreakDownSchooner
>> that the LMII, AS29, and the DBS would all handle the riverine legs
>
>Loose Moose II, Advanced Sharpie 29 I know, but translate "DBS"
>please.
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
please.
> that the LMII, AS29, and the DBS would all handle the riverine legsLoose Moose II, Advanced Sharpie 29 I know, but translate "DBS"
please.
>'down east' cuz it's downwind from Boston. Everywhere I've been on the NewI suspect that's it's equally unpleasant to slog up the St.L or back
>England coast, you could pretty much count on the southwesterly most of the
>time. A southward journey along the Maine coast could require a fair bit of
>motoring or slogging to windward. Tough call!
home from Maine and the determining factor will be whether it's
easier to sail North or South along coast of Gaspe and New Brunswick.
In my mind, the trip would be made in +/-50 mile hops. One day of
cruising and one day of enjoying the people and sites of where ever
ended up. That would give a chance to shoot a wide variety of
pictures and video, as a boat underway looks more or less like a boat
underway.
So, more reports from people who've been there or live there please.
We're getting excited!
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
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(212) 247-0296
Wow, that would be quite an adventure! My most ambitious dreams for my Micro
are of a trip up the coast of New England until it gets scary or I run out
of vacation, then hitching a ride back south to fetch the trailer. To
continue on would be quite a journey.....
I can't speak of navigating the currents of the St. Lawrence from firsthand
experience, though do I remember being surprised by the river's apparent
power in places. But I can tell you the winds can really howl down that
valley - I was on a motorcycle heading into them, upriver from Gasp� to
Qu�bec city. There are some big headlands on the southern shore that channel
the wind and would make for some tough going in a small boat - for the 3
days I was there the weather was quite nice, but my memory is of constant
strong winds day and night, and of seriously fortified manmade harbors, just
big enough for the local fishing boats to squeeze into... it impressed me as
a pretty rough place to make a living on the water. Also saw an immense
windfarm - hundreds of large windmills covering the hills above the water -
not a good sign. On the other hand, New Englanders used to speak of Maine as
'down east' cuz it's downwind from Boston. Everywhere I've been on the New
England coast, you could pretty much count on the southwesterly most of the
time. A southward journey along the Maine coast could require a fair bit of
motoring or slogging to windward. Tough call!
Paul Lefebvre
are of a trip up the coast of New England until it gets scary or I run out
of vacation, then hitching a ride back south to fetch the trailer. To
continue on would be quite a journey.....
I can't speak of navigating the currents of the St. Lawrence from firsthand
experience, though do I remember being surprised by the river's apparent
power in places. But I can tell you the winds can really howl down that
valley - I was on a motorcycle heading into them, upriver from Gasp� to
Qu�bec city. There are some big headlands on the southern shore that channel
the wind and would make for some tough going in a small boat - for the 3
days I was there the weather was quite nice, but my memory is of constant
strong winds day and night, and of seriously fortified manmade harbors, just
big enough for the local fishing boats to squeeze into... it impressed me as
a pretty rough place to make a living on the water. Also saw an immense
windfarm - hundreds of large windmills covering the hills above the water -
not a good sign. On the other hand, New Englanders used to speak of Maine as
'down east' cuz it's downwind from Boston. Everywhere I've been on the New
England coast, you could pretty much count on the southwesterly most of the
time. A southward journey along the Maine coast could require a fair bit of
motoring or slogging to windward. Tough call!
Paul Lefebvre
>
>> I'm suspecting that whether you clockwise or anticlockwise, it'sFrom descriptions of their performance under power, it would seem
>> easier to get from 7 o'clock (Montauk) to 2 o'clock (somewhere in
>> Gaspe) than it is go get back again.
>
>I think it is basically a two-boat project. The ideal boat for the
>riverine legs (northwest semi-circle) is hardly ideal for the ocean
>legs (southeast semi-circle). Perhaps the Fast Motorsailer...
>
>It does seem to be the kind of voyage for which a motorsailer makes
>some sense. Come to think of it, Loose Moose was conceived as a sort
>of motorsailer, and you could do worse than an AS-29.
that the LMII, AS29, and the DBS would all handle the riverine legs
of the trip without too much trouble. They've all got masts that come
down easily enough.
I think the Wyoming could sneak along the coast pretty handily as
well, and would certainly be ideal for the NW segment.
But I think worrying about *ideal* is misplaced worry. The question
isn't "what is the best boat for trip?" but "what's a good enough
boat for the trip that is within my means?" To that end I have some
ideas.
I'd also like to know more about the St.Lawrence river portion of the
trip. I've no doubt that I'd enjoy the rest of the route. Is the St.L
section as scenic? If not, is it an easy enough/quick enough passage
to make it worth completing the circle?
Mr. Lenihan?
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
> I'm suspecting that whether you clockwise or anticlockwise, it'sI think it is basically a two-boat project. The ideal boat for the
> easier to get from 7 o'clock (Montauk) to 2 o'clock (somewhere in
> Gaspe) than it is go get back again.
riverine legs (northwest semi-circle) is hardly ideal for the ocean
legs (southeast semi-circle). Perhaps the Fast Motorsailer...
It does seem to be the kind of voyage for which a motorsailer makes
some sense. Come to think of it, Loose Moose was conceived as a sort
of motorsailer, and you could do worse than an AS-29.
Peter
Sue,
From the exit of Lake Champlain into the Richelieu River on to
Sorel(at the St.Lawrence) you will experience about a knot to a knot
and a half depending at time of year.
Once you turn the corner at Sorel and head upstream toward Lake
Ontario expect anything from less then 1 knot up to 7 knots(if not
more!).
The Lachine Canal is expected to open this summer.As it stands
now,work crews are hustling their bums off to get it opened on
time.We'll see.......
Two things to consider however are;1) vertical clearance through
the canal will be limited to 8 feet. 2) The downstream end in the
Port of Montréal can only be accessed after coming through the Ville
Marie current which runs at 7 knots average.
The prevailling winds run with the current.....
Again,lots of sure power will be needed. I would avoid the Lachine
Canal and stick with the St.Lawrence Seaway if Lake Ontario was my
objective.There are stretches through the 1000 Islands where the
current is also rather formidable.Bruce Hector( of aircraft carrier
fame ;-) ) should be able to shed light for that area.
I can ramble on about anything near Montréal,the Paris of North
America!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
From the exit of Lake Champlain into the Richelieu River on to
Sorel(at the St.Lawrence) you will experience about a knot to a knot
and a half depending at time of year.
Once you turn the corner at Sorel and head upstream toward Lake
Ontario expect anything from less then 1 knot up to 7 knots(if not
more!).
The Lachine Canal is expected to open this summer.As it stands
now,work crews are hustling their bums off to get it opened on
time.We'll see.......
Two things to consider however are;1) vertical clearance through
the canal will be limited to 8 feet. 2) The downstream end in the
Port of Montréal can only be accessed after coming through the Ville
Marie current which runs at 7 knots average.
The prevailling winds run with the current.....
Again,lots of sure power will be needed. I would avoid the Lachine
Canal and stick with the St.Lawrence Seaway if Lake Ontario was my
objective.There are stretches through the 1000 Islands where the
current is also rather formidable.Bruce Hector( of aircraft carrier
fame ;-) ) should be able to shed light for that area.
I can ramble on about anything near Montréal,the Paris of North
America!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
--- In bolger@y..., "futabachan" <futabachan@y...> wrote:
>
> How is the current between the Champlain Canal and Lake Ontario?
> And when are they planning to have the La Chine Canal open again?
> If the big boat is in the water in time, I'll need to be coming
> through there on my way to and from next year's Lake Champlain
> messabout.
>
> -- Sue --
David,
Yes the current is strong,anywhere from 1 knot to over 7 knots
depending on where you are along the river.Tides are felt up to Three
Rivers.Expect the lower range in"lakes" such as Lac St.Pierre.This is
just a slight widening of the river.Further downstream at Québec City
the current and tides are something else! Don't forget,you have the
Great Lakes draining out,not to mention hundreds of smaller
rivers.Millions of cubic feet per minute flow by the island of
Montréal at the Lachine Rapids.....
If you left early enough and finished up your cruise hugging the
coast of Maine,are hurricanes much of a risk that far North in late
September?
Whatever you do,make sure your power plant is big enough and
reliable enough.Very few sandy beaches along the St.Lawrence,just big
bad rocks!
Peter Lenihan
Yes the current is strong,anywhere from 1 knot to over 7 knots
depending on where you are along the river.Tides are felt up to Three
Rivers.Expect the lower range in"lakes" such as Lac St.Pierre.This is
just a slight widening of the river.Further downstream at Québec City
the current and tides are something else! Don't forget,you have the
Great Lakes draining out,not to mention hundreds of smaller
rivers.Millions of cubic feet per minute flow by the island of
Montréal at the Lachine Rapids.....
If you left early enough and finished up your cruise hugging the
coast of Maine,are hurricanes much of a risk that far North in late
September?
Whatever you do,make sure your power plant is big enough and
reliable enough.Very few sandy beaches along the St.Lawrence,just big
bad rocks!
Peter Lenihan
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> I didn't realize the current on the St.Lawence was so strong! Out
> West (where I have all my experience) the rivers really lose their
> poop once they get out of the mountains. For example: you can
fairly
> easily power up the Sacramento nearly all the way to Mt. Shasta.
>
> Two things made me think anticlockwise: 1) I think it's a lot
easier
> to sail (or motor) from Montauk to
> Amherst than it is to go the other way. 2) Anticlockwise would put
us
> well inland as the Summer slipped into hurricane season.
>
> I'm suspecting that whether you clockwise or anticlockwise, it's
> easier to get from 7 o'clock (Montauk) to 2 o'clock (somewhere in
> Gaspe) than it is go get back again.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> >David,
> > Maintain your youthfulness and health(sanity) by heading
> >downstream along the St.Lawrence taking full advantage of the
> >drainage from one massive watershed. Also, lots of bucks in gas,no
> >matter how good the exchange rate is........
> > The downstream assist begins as you exit Lake Champlain into
> >Canada and fades somewhere on the far side of Gaspé,Québec. Measure
> >it off on a chart and the mileage will be most impressive.
> > And if that ain't enough to convince you,consider that our
> >prevailling winds run in the same direction as the river!Neat eh?
> > Well,that's my vote from up here.Perhaps Jack Bearden(of
Fundy
> >fame) can illuminate further stretches,especially the tide factor
> >coming out of the bay and down along the coast of Maine.
> > Sincerely,
> > Peter Lenihan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> >> FBBB --
> >>
> >>
> >> I was thinking counter clockwise would be the way to go,
sailing up
> >> around Mass, along Maine and then into the Bay of Fundy. Then
> >higher
> >> a truck to get us across to the PEI side and then head North to
the
> >> St. Lawrence and come home through Montreal.
> >>
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> C.E.P.
> >> 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
> >> New York, New York 10001
> >>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> >> (212) 247-0296
> >
> >
> >
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> The downstream assist begins as you exit Lake Champlain intoHow is the current between the Champlain Canal and Lake Ontario?
> Canada and fades somewhere on the far side of Gaspé,Québec. Measure
> it off on a chart and the mileage will be most impressive.
And when are they planning to have the La Chine Canal open again?
If the big boat is in the water in time, I'll need to be coming
through there on my way to and from next year's Lake Champlain
messabout.
-- Sue --
(...and the idea of a rough circumnavigation of the state of New
York in a Windsprint also sounds fun)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
I didn't realize the current on the St.Lawence was so strong! Out
West (where I have all my experience) the rivers really lose their
poop once they get out of the mountains. For example: you can fairly
easily power up the Sacramento nearly all the way to Mt. Shasta.
Two things made me think anticlockwise: 1) I think it's a lot easier
to sail (or motor) from Montauk to
Amherst than it is to go the other way. 2) Anticlockwise would put us
well inland as the Summer slipped into hurricane season.
I'm suspecting that whether you clockwise or anticlockwise, it's
easier to get from 7 o'clock (Montauk) to 2 o'clock (somewhere in
Gaspe) than it is go get back again.
YIBB,
David
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
West (where I have all my experience) the rivers really lose their
poop once they get out of the mountains. For example: you can fairly
easily power up the Sacramento nearly all the way to Mt. Shasta.
Two things made me think anticlockwise: 1) I think it's a lot easier
to sail (or motor) from Montauk to
Amherst than it is to go the other way. 2) Anticlockwise would put us
well inland as the Summer slipped into hurricane season.
I'm suspecting that whether you clockwise or anticlockwise, it's
easier to get from 7 o'clock (Montauk) to 2 o'clock (somewhere in
Gaspe) than it is go get back again.
YIBB,
David
>David,C.E.P.
> Maintain your youthfulness and health(sanity) by heading
>downstream along the St.Lawrence taking full advantage of the
>drainage from one massive watershed. Also, lots of bucks in gas,no
>matter how good the exchange rate is........
> The downstream assist begins as you exit Lake Champlain into
>Canada and fades somewhere on the far side of Gaspé,Québec. Measure
>it off on a chart and the mileage will be most impressive.
> And if that ain't enough to convince you,consider that our
>prevailling winds run in the same direction as the river!Neat eh?
> Well,that's my vote from up here.Perhaps Jack Bearden(of Fundy
>fame) can illuminate further stretches,especially the tide factor
>coming out of the bay and down along the coast of Maine.
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>> FBBB --
>>
>>
>> I was thinking counter clockwise would be the way to go, sailing up
>> around Mass, along Maine and then into the Bay of Fundy. Then
>higher
>> a truck to get us across to the PEI side and then head North to the
>> St. Lawrence and come home through Montreal.
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>> C.E.P.
>> 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
>> New York, New York 10001
>>http://www.crumblingempire.com
>> (212) 247-0296
>
>
>
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134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
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David,
Maintain your youthfulness and health(sanity) by heading
downstream along the St.Lawrence taking full advantage of the
drainage from one massive watershed. Also, lots of bucks in gas,no
matter how good the exchange rate is........
The downstream assist begins as you exit Lake Champlain into
Canada and fades somewhere on the far side of Gaspé,Québec. Measure
it off on a chart and the mileage will be most impressive.
And if that ain't enough to convince you,consider that our
prevailling winds run in the same direction as the river!Neat eh?
Well,that's my vote from up here.Perhaps Jack Bearden(of Fundy
fame) can illuminate further stretches,especially the tide factor
coming out of the bay and down along the coast of Maine.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
Maintain your youthfulness and health(sanity) by heading
downstream along the St.Lawrence taking full advantage of the
drainage from one massive watershed. Also, lots of bucks in gas,no
matter how good the exchange rate is........
The downstream assist begins as you exit Lake Champlain into
Canada and fades somewhere on the far side of Gaspé,Québec. Measure
it off on a chart and the mileage will be most impressive.
And if that ain't enough to convince you,consider that our
prevailling winds run in the same direction as the river!Neat eh?
Well,that's my vote from up here.Perhaps Jack Bearden(of Fundy
fame) can illuminate further stretches,especially the tide factor
coming out of the bay and down along the coast of Maine.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> FBBB --
>
>
> I was thinking counter clockwise would be the way to go, sailing up
> around Mass, along Maine and then into the Bay of Fundy. Then
higher
> a truck to get us across to the PEI side and then head North to the
> St. Lawrence and come home through Montreal.
>
>
> David
>
> C.E.P.
> 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, New York 10001
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> (212) 247-0296
FBBB --
I'm looking at the map and thinking it would be a pretty good
adventure to do a sail around the Northeast via the coast, St.
Lawrence seaway, Champlain Canal and Hudson River.
I was thinking counter clockwise would be the way to go, sailing up
around Mass, along Maine and then into the Bay of Fundy. Then higher
a truck to get us across to the PEI side and then head North to the
St. Lawrence and come home through Montreal.
I know we've got some people on here who call parts of this route
home. Any information/opinions would be appreciated.
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
I'm looking at the map and thinking it would be a pretty good
adventure to do a sail around the Northeast via the coast, St.
Lawrence seaway, Champlain Canal and Hudson River.
I was thinking counter clockwise would be the way to go, sailing up
around Mass, along Maine and then into the Bay of Fundy. Then higher
a truck to get us across to the PEI side and then head North to the
St. Lawrence and come home through Montreal.
I know we've got some people on here who call parts of this route
home. Any information/opinions would be appreciated.
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296