Re: [bolger] Owlet and Art
OK, maybe not as far back as Noah. <g> But the use of concrete poured into
the bilge goes back quite a ways. In addition to serving as ballast, it
seals the wood from bilge water (and some swear the lime in the cement
preserves the wood) and makes a nice, smooth surface that's easy to keep
clean. An Atkin design with reinforced concrete outside ballast is Economy
Jane:
"In the interest of economy this Jane of ours has a concrete keel. From the
standpoint of long service a proper mixture of cement, sharp sand, with
reinforcing rods fitted, concrete will last as well, if not longer, than
cast iron. Furthermore the material cost will be negligible in comparison to
either cast iron or lead."
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/EconomyJane.html
the bilge goes back quite a ways. In addition to serving as ballast, it
seals the wood from bilge water (and some swear the lime in the cement
preserves the wood) and makes a nice, smooth surface that's easy to keep
clean. An Atkin design with reinforced concrete outside ballast is Economy
Jane:
"In the interest of economy this Jane of ours has a concrete keel. From the
standpoint of long service a proper mixture of cement, sharp sand, with
reinforcing rods fitted, concrete will last as well, if not longer, than
cast iron. Furthermore the material cost will be negligible in comparison to
either cast iron or lead."
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/EconomyJane.html
On Tue, 17 May 2005 05:43:04 -0700, Bruce wrote:
>
> You are probably right. Monhegan has interior concrete ballast,
> poured wet right into the bilge. I know that in ancient times stones
> were put in the bilge to ballast the boat, [and removed when
> cargo was placed in the bilge.]
--
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In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful
for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican. <H. L. Mencken>
You need to be a bit careful about Breton Fisherman's
caps as well.In my off moments I'm part of a
Musichall(Vaudeville to our American cousins)group
known as 'Alhambra'.My mates Pete and John both wear
Breton caps - popular among Shanty crews as
well.Anyway we went off to the continent early last
year on the ferry from Dover.John went to get the
coffee and came back with 3 free cups and a puzzled
look on his face.He said that the guy behind the bar
had asked him if he was a biker,at which point I fell
about laughing,having just remembered that Breton caps
are popular with American bikers of a particular
sexual orientation,a thought that did NOT commend
itself to John in spite of the free coffee.
Cheers
Andy
ps I wear a beret,which,according to popular mythology
requires surgical removal
Nobody ought to wear a Greek fisherman's hat unless
they meet two conditions:
1. He is a Greek
2. He is a Fisherman <Roy Blount
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caps as well.In my off moments I'm part of a
Musichall(Vaudeville to our American cousins)group
known as 'Alhambra'.My mates Pete and John both wear
Breton caps - popular among Shanty crews as
well.Anyway we went off to the continent early last
year on the ferry from Dover.John went to get the
coffee and came back with 3 free cups and a puzzled
look on his face.He said that the guy behind the bar
had asked him if he was a biker,at which point I fell
about laughing,having just remembered that Breton caps
are popular with American bikers of a particular
sexual orientation,a thought that did NOT commend
itself to John in spite of the free coffee.
Cheers
Andy
ps I wear a beret,which,according to popular mythology
requires surgical removal
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1. He is a Greek
2. He is a Fisherman <Roy Blount
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jhkohnen@...<jhkohnen@...> wrote:
poured wet right into the bilge. I know that in ancient times stones
were put in the bilge to ballast the boat, [and removed when
cargo was placed in the bilge.]
> When has there ever been a rule against iron-in-concrete ballast? That'sYou are probably right. Monhegan has interior concrete ballast,
> been common in working boats and the less fancy sorts of pleasure boats
> since Noah, almost. The Atkins even drew a few cruising sailboats with
> outside ballast keels made of concrete, and I doubt that they pioneered
> that idea...
poured wet right into the bilge. I know that in ancient times stones
were put in the bilge to ballast the boat, [and removed when
cargo was placed in the bilge.]
When has there ever been a rule against iron-in-concrete ballast? That's
been common in working boats and the less fancy sorts of pleasure boats
since Noah, almost. The Atkins even drew a few cruising sailboats with
outside ballast keels made of concrete, and I doubt that they pioneered
that idea...
been common in working boats and the less fancy sorts of pleasure boats
since Noah, almost. The Atkins even drew a few cruising sailboats with
outside ballast keels made of concrete, and I doubt that they pioneered
that idea...
On Sun, 15 May 2005 20:44:34 -0700, Bruce wrote:
> ...
> The layers that Bolger brings to this principle can be surprising
> sometimes too,
> ...
> ...rule breaking, like the concrete ballast in Monhegan...
> ...
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Nobody ought to wear a Greek fisherman's hat unless
they meet two conditions:
1. He is a Greek
2. He is a Fisherman <Roy Blount Jr.>
On Sun, 15 May 2005 20:44:34 -0700, you wrote:
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink what
you don't like, and do what you'd rather not. <Mark Twain>
> Harry James--
> > Many times I have had to struggle mentally with Mr. Bolger's ability to
> > disregard "Art" in his designs.
>
> "Art" is a tough concept to pin down!
>
> I see that various aesthetic principles can be brought to
> define 'art' beyond swoopy curves, and extreme function is
> definitely a valid principle.
>
> If not art, [though I think it is], extreme functionality certainly is
> much easier said than done!
>
> The layers that Bolger brings to this principle can be surprising
> sometimes too,
>
> ...Maximum boat from 'x' number of sheets of plywood...
> ..Dual use of materials, batteries for ballast in Champlain...
> ...rule breaking, like the concrete ballast in Monhegan...
> ...the ingenious unconventional construction sequence of Yonder...
> ...or his reasoned arguments for 'no flare' boats like June Bug.
>
>
>
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The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink what
you don't like, and do what you'd rather not. <Mark Twain>
Harry James
I see that various aesthetic principles can be brought to
define 'art' beyond swoopy curves, and extreme function is
definitely a valid principle.
If not art, [though I think it is], extreme functionality certainly is
much easier said than done!
The layers that Bolger brings to this principle can be surprising
sometimes too,
...Maximum boat from 'x' number of sheets of plywood...
..Dual use of materials, batteries for ballast in Champlain...
...rule breaking, like the concrete ballast in Monhegan...
...the ingenious unconventional construction sequence of Yonder...
...or his reasoned arguments for 'no flare' boats like June Bug.
> Many times I have had to struggle mentally with Mr. Bolger's ability to"Art" is a tough concept to pin down!
> disregard "Art" in his designs.
I see that various aesthetic principles can be brought to
define 'art' beyond swoopy curves, and extreme function is
definitely a valid principle.
If not art, [though I think it is], extreme functionality certainly is
much easier said than done!
The layers that Bolger brings to this principle can be surprising
sometimes too,
...Maximum boat from 'x' number of sheets of plywood...
..Dual use of materials, batteries for ballast in Champlain...
...rule breaking, like the concrete ballast in Monhegan...
...the ingenious unconventional construction sequence of Yonder...
...or his reasoned arguments for 'no flare' boats like June Bug.
Many times I have had to struggle mentally with Mr. Bolger's ability to
disregard "Art" in his designs. It is obvious if you are familiar with his
body of work that he is a truly great Artist. He has a genius to see a
design in three dimensions and incorporate subtle curves that harmonize in a
way you can only see when the boat is assembled. A Cartopper or a Sneakeasy
are attractive on paper but have to be seen in the "in the round" (or the
"Square"?) to fully appreciate the art in their shapes. And then there is
the justly famous Gull. I have two on a trailer in my front yard. If the
cover is off of them not just my eye is drawn to them when I come home but
my whole body. I have to pause and go over and touch them before I go into
the house. The lure is irresistible.
But this same genius can design a Martha Jane which ruthlessly sacrifices
beauty for practicality (sorry Mark). Mark Zeiger's Selkie (local Martha Jane) is an extremely
practical family cruiser. It was relatively easy and cheep to build and rig.
It fulfills its design goals admirably and blows right through any
concessions to appearance on the way.
How can he do this? How can the person who possesses this internal eye that
can see and render these shapes that have such harmony so ruthlessly
suppress the Artist and let the Engineer dictate the results? Not that the
Engineer doesn't posses genius also. He has shown amazing inventiveness over
many decades in developing unusual solutions to marine problems. I just
don't understand and never will how he can not give up some of the
practicality for that infusion of art that he is so capable of.
I personally can not build a boat that doesn't have that aesthetic voice
that speaks to me. I will take lessened practicality every time for
appearance which is why I would build a Black Skimmer but never a Martha
Jane. This is not a slam on those who can cheerfully go for what is
practical. It is probably more revealing of faults in me.
HJ
Philip Smith wrote:
disregard "Art" in his designs. It is obvious if you are familiar with his
body of work that he is a truly great Artist. He has a genius to see a
design in three dimensions and incorporate subtle curves that harmonize in a
way you can only see when the boat is assembled. A Cartopper or a Sneakeasy
are attractive on paper but have to be seen in the "in the round" (or the
"Square"?) to fully appreciate the art in their shapes. And then there is
the justly famous Gull. I have two on a trailer in my front yard. If the
cover is off of them not just my eye is drawn to them when I come home but
my whole body. I have to pause and go over and touch them before I go into
the house. The lure is irresistible.
But this same genius can design a Martha Jane which ruthlessly sacrifices
beauty for practicality (sorry Mark). Mark Zeiger's Selkie (local Martha Jane) is an extremely
practical family cruiser. It was relatively easy and cheep to build and rig.
It fulfills its design goals admirably and blows right through any
concessions to appearance on the way.
How can he do this? How can the person who possesses this internal eye that
can see and render these shapes that have such harmony so ruthlessly
suppress the Artist and let the Engineer dictate the results? Not that the
Engineer doesn't posses genius also. He has shown amazing inventiveness over
many decades in developing unusual solutions to marine problems. I just
don't understand and never will how he can not give up some of the
practicality for that infusion of art that he is so capable of.
I personally can not build a boat that doesn't have that aesthetic voice
that speaks to me. I will take lessened practicality every time for
appearance which is why I would build a Black Skimmer but never a Martha
Jane. This is not a slam on those who can cheerfully go for what is
practical. It is probably more revealing of faults in me.
HJ
Philip Smith wrote:
>In light of how elegant Barn Owl was, I doubt if Owlet
>is a plywood Bolger Box.
>
>Do we need to develop a term for PB&F's floating
>sculptures such as Barn Owl or Moccasin to separate
>them from the Bolger Boxes? Many don't know that PB&F
>can draw anything that doesn't seem to be related to a
>packing crate.
>
>I happen to be a fan of their most boat for the least
>bucks ability, so don't get me wrong. I think that
>this may be a higher form of the boat designer's skill
>than simply drawing a beautiful boat.
>
>Phil Smith
>
>
>
>
>--- Dennis <pseudodion@...> wrote:
>
>
>>In Woodenboat #127 in a section entitled "Beach
>>Cruisers" (38-43),
>>Bolger's design Owlet is discussed. This is a 15'5"
>>x 4'6"
>>lifeboat/tender that was made for the schooner "Barn
>>Owl." The boat
>>flies either a 63sqft dipping lug or a 92sqft
>>settee. There are no
>>indications of construction method. The boat looks
>>like a good one.
>>Anyone here know of it? Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>>
Yes, I know the design your talking about.
Thats all I've got on her what was printed in that Wooden Boat article.
I'd say that the two most likely methods to build her would be cold-molding or strip-planked, both probably dynel/fibreglass sheathed.
Dennis <pseudodion@...> wrote:
In Woodenboat #127 in a section entitled "Beach Cruisers" (38-43),
Bolger's design Owlet is discussed. This is a 15'5" x 4'6"
lifeboat/tender that was made for the schooner "Barn Owl." The boat
flies either a 63sqft dipping lug or a 92sqft settee. There are no
indications of construction method. The boat looks like a good one.
Anyone here know of it? Dennis
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Thats all I've got on her what was printed in that Wooden Boat article.
I'd say that the two most likely methods to build her would be cold-molding or strip-planked, both probably dynel/fibreglass sheathed.
Dennis <pseudodion@...> wrote:
In Woodenboat #127 in a section entitled "Beach Cruisers" (38-43),
Bolger's design Owlet is discussed. This is a 15'5" x 4'6"
lifeboat/tender that was made for the schooner "Barn Owl." The boat
flies either a 63sqft dipping lug or a 92sqft settee. There are no
indications of construction method. The boat looks like a good one.
Anyone here know of it? Dennis
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In regards to pretty boats by PCB, I first became aware of Bolger when I was smitten by the profile drawing of Monhegan in a "Motor Boating and Sailing" in the late 60's or early 70's. It is a beautiful boat which is featured in Small Boats. I finally figured out that it is so small that it is more a lovely model than a useable boat. Sure is pretty though....
John T
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Subject: Re: [bolger] Owlet
In light of how elegant Barn Owl was, I doubt if Owlet
is a plywood Bolger Box.
Do we need to develop a term for PB&F's floating
sculptures such as Barn Owl or Moccasin to separate
them from the Bolger Boxes? Many don't know that PB&F
can draw anything that doesn't seem to be related to a
packing crate.
I happen to be a fan of their most boat for the least
bucks ability, so don't get me wrong. I think that
this may be a higher form of the boat designer's skill
than simply drawing a beautiful boat.
Phil Smith
--- Dennis <pseudodion@...> wrote:
> In Woodenboat #127 in a section entitled "Beach
> Cruisers" (38-43),
> Bolger's design Owlet is discussed. This is a 15'5"
> x 4'6"
> lifeboat/tender that was made for the schooner "Barn
> Owl." The boat
> flies either a 63sqft dipping lug or a 92sqft
> settee. There are no
> indications of construction method. The boat looks
> like a good one.
> Anyone here know of it? Dennis
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In light of how elegant Barn Owl was, I doubt if Owlet
is a plywood Bolger Box.
Do we need to develop a term for PB&F's floating
sculptures such as Barn Owl or Moccasin to separate
them from the Bolger Boxes? Many don't know that PB&F
can draw anything that doesn't seem to be related to a
packing crate.
I happen to be a fan of their most boat for the least
bucks ability, so don't get me wrong. I think that
this may be a higher form of the boat designer's skill
than simply drawing a beautiful boat.
Phil Smith
--- Dennis <pseudodion@...> wrote:
is a plywood Bolger Box.
Do we need to develop a term for PB&F's floating
sculptures such as Barn Owl or Moccasin to separate
them from the Bolger Boxes? Many don't know that PB&F
can draw anything that doesn't seem to be related to a
packing crate.
I happen to be a fan of their most boat for the least
bucks ability, so don't get me wrong. I think that
this may be a higher form of the boat designer's skill
than simply drawing a beautiful boat.
Phil Smith
--- Dennis <pseudodion@...> wrote:
> In Woodenboat #127 in a section entitled "Beachhttp://us.click.yahoo.com/6iY7fA/5WnJAA/Y3ZIAA/_0TolB/TM
> Cruisers" (38-43),
> Bolger's design Owlet is discussed. This is a 15'5"
> x 4'6"
> lifeboat/tender that was made for the schooner "Barn
> Owl." The boat
> flies either a 63sqft dipping lug or a 92sqft
> settee. There are no
> indications of construction method. The boat looks
> like a good one.
> Anyone here know of it? Dennis
>
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In Woodenboat #127 in a section entitled "Beach Cruisers" (38-43),
Bolger's design Owlet is discussed. This is a 15'5" x 4'6"
lifeboat/tender that was made for the schooner "Barn Owl." The boat
flies either a 63sqft dipping lug or a 92sqft settee. There are no
indications of construction method. The boat looks like a good one.
Anyone here know of it? Dennis
Bolger's design Owlet is discussed. This is a 15'5" x 4'6"
lifeboat/tender that was made for the schooner "Barn Owl." The boat
flies either a 63sqft dipping lug or a 92sqft settee. There are no
indications of construction method. The boat looks like a good one.
Anyone here know of it? Dennis
Hi, all. I was reading an old WB featuring "Beachcruisers" one of
which was Bolger's Owlet. Does anyone have any more information on
this design? Do you know if one has been built and sailed?
Thanks,
Dennis Marshall, Grand Rapids, MI
which was Bolger's Owlet. Does anyone have any more information on
this design? Do you know if one has been built and sailed?
Thanks,
Dennis Marshall, Grand Rapids, MI