[bolger] Re: Clockwise vs. Anticlockwise
>> It's about 525 miles from Gasp to Montreal. That's a lot ofTwo words: Iron Jib
>> windward slogging! But it's about the same from St.John to
>> Montauk. No free lunch. The extra push from running with the
>> St.L might be the deciding factor.
>
>Plus, for windward slogging, slogging in the open ocean where
>you have lots of room to make long legs and few tacks ought to
>be easier than trying to slog up a narrow river, dodging
>freighters and having to tack every few minutes. Two narrow
>rivers, if you catch the wrong sort of southwesterly on the
>Hudson....
>
YIBB,
David
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> It's about 525 miles from Gasp to Montreal. That's a lot ofPlus, for windward slogging, slogging in the open ocean where
> windward slogging! But it's about the same from St.John to
> Montauk. No free lunch. The extra push from running with the
> St.L might be the deciding factor.
you have lots of room to make long legs and few tacks ought to
be easier than trying to slog up a narrow river, dodging
freighters and having to tack every few minutes. Two narrow
rivers, if you catch the wrong sort of southwesterly on the
Hudson....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
I just sent a note to Peter saying if we go clockwise we'll probably
drag the boat to Lake Champlain to start.
It's about 525 miles from Gasp to Montreal. That's a lot of windward
slogging! But it's about the same from St.John to Montauk. No free
lunch. The extra push from running with the St.L might be the
deciding factor.
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
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drag the boat to Lake Champlain to start.
It's about 525 miles from Gasp to Montreal. That's a lot of windward
slogging! But it's about the same from St.John to Montauk. No free
lunch. The extra push from running with the St.L might be the
deciding factor.
>David,C.E.P.
>I am not sure what kind of boat you are considering for this - it
>may have been mentioned earlier, but if so, I missed it. If it is a
>trailerable boat you can "start" the circumnavigation wherever want.
>
>Ralph
>--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>
>> 2) Pace. If we go clockwise the first leg of the trip is through
>> "charted territory." We'd run the risk of steaming through the
>first
>> few hundred miles to try and get to "the start of the adventure."
>> Going the other way, we're off on our adventure from the first day.
>> As the trip wears on (and we begin to wear out,) things become more
>> "civilized" and familiar.
>
>
>
>
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>David,On the whole, I'd rather be an a beam reach for the rest of my life!
> Six of one and half a dozen of the other.....your thinking
>appears to satisfy your needs.If bucking head winds,waves,tides and
>current for close to a month sits right with you,then go for it.
It looks like the same SW breeze that we get here in Montauk during
the Summer dominated the weather pattern for the entire N.E. On a
circuit route sooner or later it's going come time to pay the piper.
The only question is where.
You present a pretty compelling argument not to "make my stand" on
the St.L. Time to find some people who've made the slog back from
N.S. to my neck of the woods and see how they liked that.
Either way, I suspect there's no free lunch!
YIBB,
David
>C.E.P.
>
>
>
>--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>
>>
>> As far as clockwise vs. anticlockwise, my gut tells me the trip
>paces
>> better going anticlockwise for the following reasons:
>>
>> Of course this is all based on reading maps and weather data.
>>
>> Peter? Andy? Any opinions? Assume a boat with enough poop to get up
>> the St.L with a bit of style.
>>
>> YIBB,
>>
>> David
>>
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>> 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
>> New York, New York 10001
>>http://www.crumblingempire.com
>> (212) 247-0296
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>
>
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David,
I am not sure what kind of boat you are considering for this - it
may have been mentioned earlier, but if so, I missed it. If it is a
trailerable boat you can "start" the circumnavigation wherever want.
Ralph
I am not sure what kind of boat you are considering for this - it
may have been mentioned earlier, but if so, I missed it. If it is a
trailerable boat you can "start" the circumnavigation wherever want.
Ralph
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> 2) Pace. If we go clockwise the first leg of the trip is through
> "charted territory." We'd run the risk of steaming through the
first
> few hundred miles to try and get to "the start of the adventure."
> Going the other way, we're off on our adventure from the first day.
> As the trip wears on (and we begin to wear out,) things become more
> "civilized" and familiar.
David,
Six of one and half a dozen of the other.....your thinking
appears to satisfy your needs.If bucking head winds,waves,tides and
current for close to a month sits right with you,then go for it.
About the only thought I would toss into the soup now would be
this; as you come"up" the St.Lawrence,each cruising day will finish
with you staring into the low setting sun(more or less) and this may
prove to be a bit of a pain not to mention a safety issue as ships
come looming out of the golden highway of sun glittered waves.......
Of course,it could rain every blasted day and present you with
less blinding glare just different issues......
Best of luck!
Peter Lenihan
Six of one and half a dozen of the other.....your thinking
appears to satisfy your needs.If bucking head winds,waves,tides and
current for close to a month sits right with you,then go for it.
About the only thought I would toss into the soup now would be
this; as you come"up" the St.Lawrence,each cruising day will finish
with you staring into the low setting sun(more or less) and this may
prove to be a bit of a pain not to mention a safety issue as ships
come looming out of the golden highway of sun glittered waves.......
Of course,it could rain every blasted day and present you with
less blinding glare just different issues......
Best of luck!
Peter Lenihan
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>
> As far as clockwise vs. anticlockwise, my gut tells me the trip
paces
> better going anticlockwise for the following reasons:
>
> Of course this is all based on reading maps and weather data.
>
> Peter? Andy? Any opinions? Assume a boat with enough poop to get up
> the St.L with a bit of style.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> C.E.P.
> 134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, New York 10001
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> (212) 247-0296
FBBB --
None of our research or reports from members of the group indicates
that the trip around the North East would be anything less than 100%
worthwhile -- the adventure of a lifetime in fact.
The general consensus from those who live up that way is that from a
navigational standpoint, going up the St.L is to be avoided if
possible.
Andy Moore has added the the Bay of Fundy is pretty bad-assed in the
tide/current department and offers that the coast of Nova Scotia
might be a more relaxed ride. I take it that he's suggesting passage
between the main island of Nova Scotia and Cape Breton Island.
The thought of cruising with an eye to the tide is not particularly
intimidating, at least not in concept. If tides are non-negotiable,
they are also predictable. If the Fundy section can be broken down
into sections that require no more than 3 hours of favorable tide,
that still gives a good distance covered and plenty of margin for
getting confused/lost/stupid. Going clockwise, using the power of the
tide could be a real incentive to travel via the B of F, rather than
going along N.S. coast.
As far as clockwise vs. anticlockwise, my gut tells me the trip paces
better going anticlockwise for the following reasons:
1) Weather. It looks like the idea time to be furthest N.E is during
late Summer. Leaving Montauk around Memorial Day lets us slowly poke
our way up the coast with nearly two month to get the Shippagan,
Gasp, St.Anne des Monts area. That puts us in the northern most most
leg of the journey during the of the Summer. It also leaves a month
to slog up the St.L to Montreal. If we're running late, we still end
up coming through New York with the Fall color. This also keeps us
off the coast during the peak of Hurricane season. I also suspect
that it's easier to run North than South on the New Brunswick, PEI,
Gaspesie leg of the journey.
2) Pace. If we go clockwise the first leg of the trip is through
"charted territory." We'd run the risk of steaming through the first
few hundred miles to try and get to "the start of the adventure."
Going the other way, we're off on our adventure from the first day.
As the trip wears on (and we begin to wear out,) things become more
"civilized" and familiar.
Of course this is all based on reading maps and weather data.
Peter? Andy? Any opinions? Assume a boat with enough poop to get up
the St.L with a bit of style.
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
None of our research or reports from members of the group indicates
that the trip around the North East would be anything less than 100%
worthwhile -- the adventure of a lifetime in fact.
The general consensus from those who live up that way is that from a
navigational standpoint, going up the St.L is to be avoided if
possible.
Andy Moore has added the the Bay of Fundy is pretty bad-assed in the
tide/current department and offers that the coast of Nova Scotia
might be a more relaxed ride. I take it that he's suggesting passage
between the main island of Nova Scotia and Cape Breton Island.
The thought of cruising with an eye to the tide is not particularly
intimidating, at least not in concept. If tides are non-negotiable,
they are also predictable. If the Fundy section can be broken down
into sections that require no more than 3 hours of favorable tide,
that still gives a good distance covered and plenty of margin for
getting confused/lost/stupid. Going clockwise, using the power of the
tide could be a real incentive to travel via the B of F, rather than
going along N.S. coast.
As far as clockwise vs. anticlockwise, my gut tells me the trip paces
better going anticlockwise for the following reasons:
1) Weather. It looks like the idea time to be furthest N.E is during
late Summer. Leaving Montauk around Memorial Day lets us slowly poke
our way up the coast with nearly two month to get the Shippagan,
Gasp, St.Anne des Monts area. That puts us in the northern most most
leg of the journey during the of the Summer. It also leaves a month
to slog up the St.L to Montreal. If we're running late, we still end
up coming through New York with the Fall color. This also keeps us
off the coast during the peak of Hurricane season. I also suspect
that it's easier to run North than South on the New Brunswick, PEI,
Gaspesie leg of the journey.
2) Pace. If we go clockwise the first leg of the trip is through
"charted territory." We'd run the risk of steaming through the first
few hundred miles to try and get to "the start of the adventure."
Going the other way, we're off on our adventure from the first day.
As the trip wears on (and we begin to wear out,) things become more
"civilized" and familiar.
Of course this is all based on reading maps and weather data.
Peter? Andy? Any opinions? Assume a boat with enough poop to get up
the St.L with a bit of style.
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296