[bolger] Re: ROZINANTE, proas, and LEXAN windows
I vaguely recollect that LFH at one point opined that if a builder had the
irreverence to change the tiniest detail of one of his sacred designs, "the
birds will no longer carol over her..." and presumably the builder will be
condemned to a career of building fiberglass septic tanks and bathtubs.
Phil Bolger and Friends wrote:
irreverence to change the tiniest detail of one of his sacred designs, "the
birds will no longer carol over her..." and presumably the builder will be
condemned to a career of building fiberglass septic tanks and bathtubs.
Phil Bolger and Friends wrote:
> Dept. Cures for ROZINANTE FEVER (serious affliction!):<SNIP>
What ever you do, don't paint one yellow! There's a yellow Rozinante in
Charleston, it looks awful. :o( The color just doesn't suit the graceful
lines of the boat at all, the painter should be jailed for vandalism!
(sorry, maybe a touch of envy is making me grumpy, if she was mine I'd
paint her white)
Charleston, it looks awful. :o( The color just doesn't suit the graceful
lines of the boat at all, the painter should be jailed for vandalism!
(sorry, maybe a touch of envy is making me grumpy, if she was mine I'd
paint her white)
On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:51:43 -0800, PCB&F wrote:
> Dept. Cures for ROZINANTE FEVER (serious affliction!):
> ...
> Issues immediately arise as to after how many improvements/alterations
> the 'true' ROZINANTE-flavor is lost or enhanced 'too much'...
> ...
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"phil bolger and friends" <pc-@...> wrote:
have a bug jam layer spread on the back window's interior surface...
> - Susanne's wagon has compound-curved 4'+ solid-glass quarter-windowsSounds like an European car... All windows open at 200 km/h: she should
> that have held tight for the car's 20+ ungaraged full-UV years at
> all-windows-open speeds up to 120MPH.
have a bug jam layer spread on the back window's interior surface...
Dept. Cures for ROZINANTE FEVER (serious affliction!):
No argument Peter Belenky. To clarify the point:
- If the 'original' (which ever) got under your skin (Phil is almost
hypnotized whenever we see one, as just last summer) it may well be
that it is indeed the whole design - 'warts and all'- as rendered in
LFH's SENSIBLE CRUISING DESIGNS that 'got you'. His 'log-entries'
don't help at all trying to get her out of one's head. The 'original'
would offer 'thee' authentic feeling... also for resale-value's sake as
she is decidedly not a small ticket item for what you get in utility,
safety etc. DUESENBERGs rode like trucks, had dubious brakes etc. But
if it was ROZINANTE that 'got you', it might well mean that only an
unaltered version will 'do it', with all the wrinkles showing her
conceptual age... Ahh those lovable wrinkles, 'full of character'.
- If, on the other hand, most attributes of ROZINANTE appeal, but in
your mind she really would profit from various improvements to be
'perfect' - by all means. No rigidity intended. She will plausibly be
better throughout her performance envelope ('better brakes'), won't
annoy with 'anachronism' once considered 'matter of course', and might
thus be indeed the best investment for you.
Issues immediately arise as to after how many improvements/alterations
the 'true' ROZINANTE-flavor is lost or enhanced 'too much'...
But all this is a very personal decision - as most everything in
'leisure boat land'. Whatever the 'fix' one needs to deal with
ROZINANTE-fever, by all means dream it, plan it, perhaps even do it in
3-D.
Speaking of which: Has anyone ever seen the gaff-rigged 'original'
ROZINANTE? See SENSIBLE CRUISING DESIGNS 1973 ed. p.75 (text) and THE
COMPLEAT CRUISER 1956 ed. p, 94.
CAUTION - Heavy Bragging: Phil went to see LFH with a stack of THE
COMPLEAT CRUISER and his request for an autograph opened the doors of
LFH's castle in Marblehead for a first personal contact...
Dept. PROA-fever (not quite...):
Two 19'6 x 10'5" PROAs have been built so far(See BOATS WITH AN OPEN
MIND, ch.24) one in the US and one in the Netherlands. The Dutch ones
was altered quite a bit including sail-board rig, and we have not
received much feedback from NL.
The US was under construction as of last missive. Judging by the model
built to 'warm up' to the project, it should be quite true to our
proposal - 'warts and all' - so that we all can learn something, once
he tries to sail those rudder/boards off her later this year.
Dept. 'Sticky' windows:
- Bill Jochems used two-sided tape plus the usual panhead-screws-in-ove
rsized- hole approach to assembe #639's extensive glass-area. The boat
has been through 140 degrees F of temperature differential between
7200ft high Colorado Rockies 'boat-shed' and Lake Mead 'cook-out' of
boat and crew - with no problems, for the boat that is. While he is
still in two minds as to whether he wants to shift to full
through-bolting instead of screws, he has no doubt about the tenacious
sticking power of the tape (3M?) which almost broke his heart before it
broke adhesion while he was trying to 'briefly' take off one LEXAN
panel for a minor fix of something.
- Susanne's wagon has compound-curved 4'+ solid-glass quarter-windows
that have held tight for the car's 20+ ungaraged full-UV years at
all-windows-open speeds up to 120MPH. The stuff is available from
body-shops/auto-glass supplies and comes 'coffee-roll'-style rolled up
with waxpaper separators for a few bucks. It is essentially a black
sticky 1/2-inch thick 'worm'(very techno indeed!) that merely needs a
mild but steady press of glass to 'mate' both clean surfaces for
'almost' good. When the windows had to be pulled a while back for a
full body workover, the old stuff felt like fully cured rubber
(probably is) and needed first a cutting wire pulled with vigor by two
folks to cut the 1/4-inch thick bond, and then sharp
knife/chisels/razors to clean both surfaces for another bonding after
the car-paint had cured. As multi-decade-tested in the 'rust-belt'
with plenty of road-salt, the stuff should work on boats as well - at
least above waterline... Don't get hooked kneading off your tensions
by squishing it endlessly between your fingers at formal functions!
It's almost as bad as bubblewrap...
No argument Peter Belenky. To clarify the point:
- If the 'original' (which ever) got under your skin (Phil is almost
hypnotized whenever we see one, as just last summer) it may well be
that it is indeed the whole design - 'warts and all'- as rendered in
LFH's SENSIBLE CRUISING DESIGNS that 'got you'. His 'log-entries'
don't help at all trying to get her out of one's head. The 'original'
would offer 'thee' authentic feeling... also for resale-value's sake as
she is decidedly not a small ticket item for what you get in utility,
safety etc. DUESENBERGs rode like trucks, had dubious brakes etc. But
if it was ROZINANTE that 'got you', it might well mean that only an
unaltered version will 'do it', with all the wrinkles showing her
conceptual age... Ahh those lovable wrinkles, 'full of character'.
- If, on the other hand, most attributes of ROZINANTE appeal, but in
your mind she really would profit from various improvements to be
'perfect' - by all means. No rigidity intended. She will plausibly be
better throughout her performance envelope ('better brakes'), won't
annoy with 'anachronism' once considered 'matter of course', and might
thus be indeed the best investment for you.
Issues immediately arise as to after how many improvements/alterations
the 'true' ROZINANTE-flavor is lost or enhanced 'too much'...
But all this is a very personal decision - as most everything in
'leisure boat land'. Whatever the 'fix' one needs to deal with
ROZINANTE-fever, by all means dream it, plan it, perhaps even do it in
3-D.
Speaking of which: Has anyone ever seen the gaff-rigged 'original'
ROZINANTE? See SENSIBLE CRUISING DESIGNS 1973 ed. p.75 (text) and THE
COMPLEAT CRUISER 1956 ed. p, 94.
CAUTION - Heavy Bragging: Phil went to see LFH with a stack of THE
COMPLEAT CRUISER and his request for an autograph opened the doors of
LFH's castle in Marblehead for a first personal contact...
Dept. PROA-fever (not quite...):
Two 19'6 x 10'5" PROAs have been built so far(See BOATS WITH AN OPEN
MIND, ch.24) one in the US and one in the Netherlands. The Dutch ones
was altered quite a bit including sail-board rig, and we have not
received much feedback from NL.
The US was under construction as of last missive. Judging by the model
built to 'warm up' to the project, it should be quite true to our
proposal - 'warts and all' - so that we all can learn something, once
he tries to sail those rudder/boards off her later this year.
Dept. 'Sticky' windows:
- Bill Jochems used two-sided tape plus the usual panhead-screws-in-ove
rsized- hole approach to assembe #639's extensive glass-area. The boat
has been through 140 degrees F of temperature differential between
7200ft high Colorado Rockies 'boat-shed' and Lake Mead 'cook-out' of
boat and crew - with no problems, for the boat that is. While he is
still in two minds as to whether he wants to shift to full
through-bolting instead of screws, he has no doubt about the tenacious
sticking power of the tape (3M?) which almost broke his heart before it
broke adhesion while he was trying to 'briefly' take off one LEXAN
panel for a minor fix of something.
- Susanne's wagon has compound-curved 4'+ solid-glass quarter-windows
that have held tight for the car's 20+ ungaraged full-UV years at
all-windows-open speeds up to 120MPH. The stuff is available from
body-shops/auto-glass supplies and comes 'coffee-roll'-style rolled up
with waxpaper separators for a few bucks. It is essentially a black
sticky 1/2-inch thick 'worm'(very techno indeed!) that merely needs a
mild but steady press of glass to 'mate' both clean surfaces for
'almost' good. When the windows had to be pulled a while back for a
full body workover, the old stuff felt like fully cured rubber
(probably is) and needed first a cutting wire pulled with vigor by two
folks to cut the 1/4-inch thick bond, and then sharp
knife/chisels/razors to clean both surfaces for another bonding after
the car-paint had cured. As multi-decade-tested in the 'rust-belt'
with plenty of road-salt, the stuff should work on boats as well - at
least above waterline... Don't get hooked kneading off your tensions
by squishing it endlessly between your fingers at formal functions!
It's almost as bad as bubblewrap...