[bolger] Re: modified June Bug
henryclan-@...wrote:
coats of white primer on the port side, and a semi-gloss pale green on
the interior. Please know that I altered the transom, sheer, width of
gunwale (tapered fore and aft), added an outer stem, put some camber on
the decks, and already have a larger sail sewn and intend on a slightly
taller mast with some rake. I did not change the rocker, scantlings,
location of daggerboard, location of frames, or bulkheads. I did this
all for fun. The plans you purchase from Bolger, or the plans in the
book, will not show what you see in my pictures. And please know that
I have not had my boat in the water yet. Once the boat is in the water
and I have to make adjustments to the mast rake so that it will sail as
desired. However, if you purchase the plans from Phil Bolger, the boat
will be lighter, faster, and easier to build, and will sail
"out-of-the-box", and you will get support from the designer.
Phil Lea
> Is this the same June Bug in Payson's "Build the new InstantWhen I get
> Boats" book? Your pics revel much more then the pics in the book.
> my Brick done, I just might build JuneBug! I want a square sternedsharpie
> and she just might be it!.....Too kind -- it looks better in the photos than in reality, that is two
> Larry
> Palm Bay, Florida
coats of white primer on the port side, and a semi-gloss pale green on
the interior. Please know that I altered the transom, sheer, width of
gunwale (tapered fore and aft), added an outer stem, put some camber on
the decks, and already have a larger sail sewn and intend on a slightly
taller mast with some rake. I did not change the rocker, scantlings,
location of daggerboard, location of frames, or bulkheads. I did this
all for fun. The plans you purchase from Bolger, or the plans in the
book, will not show what you see in my pictures. And please know that
I have not had my boat in the water yet. Once the boat is in the water
and I have to make adjustments to the mast rake so that it will sail as
desired. However, if you purchase the plans from Phil Bolger, the boat
will be lighter, faster, and easier to build, and will sail
"out-of-the-box", and you will get support from the designer.
Phil Lea
HHP's actual words were "...stand right alongside her gunwales..." standing
on them would probably lead to the expected conclusion. But standing right
against the side, toes or heels on the chine log is no problem at all. At
200+ lbs I've often done this when alone on board Bee-Held, my June Bug.
Seats are great for rowing, fishing, providing a view for passengers or
crew, etc, but the floor is still the best place to sail from, esp. solo.
No doubt she'll handle a half ton, but she'd handle like a barge at that
point. Her grace and responsiveness diminish rapidly beyond 500 lbs. I've
sailed Bee-Held with five adults on board just to see if we could do it. We
did, but she was pretty sluggish. For sailing, solo or two on board has
made for the highest fun factor. For rowing I'm happiest when along. Seems
to become work with any additional personnel. I've found that two rowers
seem to require a third person to either man the rudder or at least ad
balance, which in turn pushes her deeper into the water, increasing her
drag.
Her amazing stability make her a great place to dive and swim from in the
middle of a lake. You can climb back on board from any angle. A swimmer can
tow her as if she wasn't there. She has a fraction the drag of an empty
canoe less than half her weight (48 lb kevlar)... and that's WITH a 200 lb
person on board the June Bug!
Hopefully PCB and Friends will take time to explain the dynamics that allow
such stability in such a light craft along with very lively performance and
responsiveness under sail or oar power.
jeb, in the blizzard of the decade on the frozen shores of Fundy
on them would probably lead to the expected conclusion. But standing right
against the side, toes or heels on the chine log is no problem at all. At
200+ lbs I've often done this when alone on board Bee-Held, my June Bug.
Seats are great for rowing, fishing, providing a view for passengers or
crew, etc, but the floor is still the best place to sail from, esp. solo.
No doubt she'll handle a half ton, but she'd handle like a barge at that
point. Her grace and responsiveness diminish rapidly beyond 500 lbs. I've
sailed Bee-Held with five adults on board just to see if we could do it. We
did, but she was pretty sluggish. For sailing, solo or two on board has
made for the highest fun factor. For rowing I'm happiest when along. Seems
to become work with any additional personnel. I've found that two rowers
seem to require a third person to either man the rudder or at least ad
balance, which in turn pushes her deeper into the water, increasing her
drag.
Her amazing stability make her a great place to dive and swim from in the
middle of a lake. You can climb back on board from any angle. A swimmer can
tow her as if she wasn't there. She has a fraction the drag of an empty
canoe less than half her weight (48 lb kevlar)... and that's WITH a 200 lb
person on board the June Bug!
Hopefully PCB and Friends will take time to explain the dynamics that allow
such stability in such a light craft along with very lively performance and
responsiveness under sail or oar power.
jeb, in the blizzard of the decade on the frozen shores of Fundy
Mike
At 09:20 AM 01/21/2000 EST, you wrote:
can stand next to it!!! It is tremendously stable in the water. It rows
nicely, but is much less effecient than a canoe or kayak. With the 60 sq
foot sprit, it sails nicely. On my last JB, I left out the seats and decks
and doubled the gunwhale (1 x 2 inside and outside). Haven't finished the
sail rig for her yet. The seats are in the way for sailing and I use a
small box for rowing - actually, my backside requires a rather large box,
but my EGO says it is a small box!
as a USER, I'm impressed!
Tim - other Tim in Houston
At 09:20 AM 01/21/2000 EST, you wrote:
>Now I am more confused than ever about hull shapes and stability. YourYou
>"Shoestring" caused me to look again at the plans for Junebug and read about
>her merits. Is is true or just hyperbole that you can "stand on her gunwale
>and not sink her." You can stand next to her side and work over the side.
>can overload the boat to 1,000 pounds in flat water. The boat is only 14'I have a June Bug and I weigh 205 lbs. I cannot stand on the gunwhale!!!! I
>long and less than 4' wide. What is the secret of her stability. This boat
>features seats where other instant boats are designed for the sailor to sit
>on the bottom.
>
can stand next to it!!! It is tremendously stable in the water. It rows
nicely, but is much less effecient than a canoe or kayak. With the 60 sq
foot sprit, it sails nicely. On my last JB, I left out the seats and decks
and doubled the gunwhale (1 x 2 inside and outside). Haven't finished the
sail rig for her yet. The seats are in the way for sailing and I use a
small box for rowing - actually, my backside requires a rather large box,
but my EGO says it is a small box!
>So what am I lacking in my understanding of how hull shape and stabilityI cannot respond to stability questions as an engineer or architecht, but
>interrelate?
>
as a USER, I'm impressed!
Tim - other Tim in Houston
Now I am more confused than ever about hull shapes and stability. Your
"Shoestring" caused me to look again at the plans for Junebug and read about
her merits. Is is true or just hyperbole that you can "stand on her gunwale
and not sink her." You can stand next to her side and work over the side. You
can overload the boat to 1,000 pounds in flat water. The boat is only 14'
long and less than 4' wide. What is the secret of her stability. This boat
features seats where other instant boats are designed for the sailor to sit
on the bottom.
So what am I lacking in my understanding of how hull shape and stability
interrelate?
Mike Masten
"Shoestring" caused me to look again at the plans for Junebug and read about
her merits. Is is true or just hyperbole that you can "stand on her gunwale
and not sink her." You can stand next to her side and work over the side. You
can overload the boat to 1,000 pounds in flat water. The boat is only 14'
long and less than 4' wide. What is the secret of her stability. This boat
features seats where other instant boats are designed for the sailor to sit
on the bottom.
So what am I lacking in my understanding of how hull shape and stability
interrelate?
Mike Masten
In a message dated 01/20/2000 4:29:14 PM Central Standard Time,
BeardeJE@...writes:
<< Phil, I finally figured out how to get into the vault and view Shoestring.
I went through several shades of green. >>
Yes, Phil!
She is a beaut! Is this the same June Bug in Payson's "Build the new Instant
Boats" book? Your pics revel much more then the pics in the book. When I get
my Brick done, I just might build JuneBug! I want a square sterned sharpie
and she just might be it!.....
Larry
Palm Bay, Florida
http://hometown.aol.com/henryclann/Boats/amatureboats.index.htm
Remember; the Titanic was built by the professionals, but Noah's Ark by
amateurs!
BeardeJE@...writes:
<< Phil, I finally figured out how to get into the vault and view Shoestring.
I went through several shades of green. >>
Yes, Phil!
She is a beaut! Is this the same June Bug in Payson's "Build the new Instant
Boats" book? Your pics revel much more then the pics in the book. When I get
my Brick done, I just might build JuneBug! I want a square sterned sharpie
and she just might be it!.....
Larry
Palm Bay, Florida
http://hometown.aol.com/henryclann/Boats/amatureboats.index.htm
Remember; the Titanic was built by the professionals, but Noah's Ark by
amateurs!
Phil, I finally figured out how to get into the vault and view Shoestring. I went through several shades of green. Not only a beautiful June Bug, but a trully beautiful boat. This is not a criticism breed of jealousy (I don't think) but a question. What is your reason for eliminating the combings to the inside of the fore and aft decks? I have found that both have effectively kept water out of the boat in a variety of situations. With an onshore breeze the June Bog is a glorious beach landing craft. She rides like a surfboard with leaboard and rudder up, steered with an oar with crew holding the snotter by hand (leg of mutton sprit rig). She'll skim through 3 to 4 foot surf. Breaking waves will come down on the aft deck, but the rear combing puts most of the water back in the ocean.
But maybe you're thinking mainly of Lake Washitau (sp?) and other types of aquatic Arkansas travelling. At any rate you've trully captured the poetry of the design. If Rozinante is an epic, June bug is certainly a haiku. All the best.
jeb on the shores of Fundy
But maybe you're thinking mainly of Lake Washitau (sp?) and other types of aquatic Arkansas travelling. At any rate you've trully captured the poetry of the design. If Rozinante is an epic, June bug is certainly a haiku. All the best.
jeb on the shores of Fundy
WOW! That is one elegant June Bug! Inspirational.
Bill
Bill
>From: "Phillip Lea" <pakam@...>______________________________________________________
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>Subject: [bolger] modified June Bug
>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:55:13 -0800
>
>Had a short photo op Sunday, and uploaded pictures of the 14' skiff
>"Shoestring" to the vault. Launching is not far.
>
>Phil Lea
>Russellville, Arkansas
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In a message dated 01/18/2000 9:19:52 PM Central Standard Time,
pakam@...writes:
<< 1) by spring the leaves will have blown away, or will have found a nice
place to self destruct, and 2) weeds thrive on neglect. :) >>
first real dry day. start the lawnmower and "Cut" them. Residual leftovers
are about a bag and a half of ground up leaves. (Fromer northerner now in
Florida ...for a reason..i hate cold)
Larry
Palm Bay, Florida
http://hometown.aol.com/henryclann/Boats/amatureboats.index.htm
Remember; the Titanic was built by the professionals, but Noah's Ark by
amatuers!
pakam@...writes:
<< 1) by spring the leaves will have blown away, or will have found a nice
place to self destruct, and 2) weeds thrive on neglect. :) >>
first real dry day. start the lawnmower and "Cut" them. Residual leftovers
are about a bag and a half of ground up leaves. (Fromer northerner now in
Florida ...for a reason..i hate cold)
Larry
Palm Bay, Florida
http://hometown.aol.com/henryclann/Boats/amatureboats.index.htm
Remember; the Titanic was built by the professionals, but Noah's Ark by
amatuers!
"robert n. lundy" wrote:
My recipe is twofold:
1) by spring the leaves will have blown away, or will have found a nice
place to self destruct, and 2) weeds thrive on neglect. :)
Phil
> BTW you're yard needs raking :)______________________________________
My recipe is twofold:
1) by spring the leaves will have blown away, or will have found a nice
place to self destruct, and 2) weeds thrive on neglect. :)
Phil
It is an outer stem, a cap. The inner and outer are epoxied and lag
bolted together. The outer stem is tapered with a spokeshave. Both
Chapelle and R. B. Parker illustrate this method.
Phil
"robert n. lundy" <rober-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1840
bolted together. The outer stem is tapered with a spokeshave. Both
Chapelle and R. B. Parker illustrate this method.
Phil
"robert n. lundy" <rober-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1840
> hi phil-
>
> How did you get that treatment on the stem? is it
> one piece, or a cap?
>
> BTW you're yard needs raking :)
>
> Robert & Amy Lundy
> St. Petersburg, fla.
>robert@...
>amy@...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Phillip Lea [mailto:pakam@...]
> > Sent: January 18, 2000 6:55 PM
> > To:bolger@...
> > Subject: [bolger] modified June Bug
> > Had a short photo op Sunday, and uploaded pictures of the 14' skiff
> > "Shoestring" to the vault. Launching is not far.
> > Phil Lea
> > Russellville, Arkansas
hi phil-
what a beautiful junebug! how did you get that treatment on the stem? is it
one piece, or a cap?
BTW you're yard needs raking :)
Robert & Amy Lundy
St. Petersburg, fla.
robert@...
amy@...
what a beautiful junebug! how did you get that treatment on the stem? is it
one piece, or a cap?
BTW you're yard needs raking :)
Robert & Amy Lundy
St. Petersburg, fla.
robert@...
amy@...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phillip Lea [mailto:pakam@...]
> Sent: January 18, 2000 6:55 PM
> To:bolger@...
> Subject: [bolger] modified June Bug
>
>
> Had a short photo op Sunday, and uploaded pictures of the 14' skiff
> "Shoestring" to the vault. Launching is not far.
>
> Phil Lea
> Russellville, Arkansas
>
>
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Had a short photo op Sunday, and uploaded pictures of the 14' skiff
"Shoestring" to the vault. Launching is not far.
Phil Lea
Russellville, Arkansas
"Shoestring" to the vault. Launching is not far.
Phil Lea
Russellville, Arkansas