Re: [bolger] Re: BB Fever -- MiniTeal?
Watcha trying to do, turn her into a motorboater?! ;o)
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:13:57 -0000, Porky wrote:
> Ah! A toddler! I recommend a tug boat.
> ...
--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
I cannot help thinking that the people with motor boats miss a great deal.
If they would only keep to rowboats or canoes, and use oar or paddle...
they would get infinitely more benefit than by having their work done for
them by gasoline. <Theodore Roosevelt>
> Later, when she's old enough to appreciate _A Midsummer Night's*still* build her a Queen Mab...
> Dream_, but still too young for _Romeo and Juliet_, you should
Speaking as the father of a daughter now in college, we (fathers)
never look forward to our daughters being old enough for Romeo and
Juliet.
PHV
Still working on the site, so please be patient. I'll post the plan
within the next day or two, as I noticed that it isn't available
currently. Gotta hit the hay now, before the wife gets up and nags at
me. <G>
within the next day or two, as I noticed that it isn't available
currently. Gotta hit the hay now, before the wife gets up and nags at
me. <G>
--- In bolger@y..., "lewisboats" <numbaoneman@b...> wrote:
> Speaking of Gavin, a Mouse, tho not a scaled down version of
> somethin' else, looks to be a pretty nifty kid boat(I plan to build
> one this year). I submit my own humble Cubcanu design to the mix
too.
> Available athttp://angelfire.com/ego/lewisboatworksDesigned for
> Cub Scouts, it is to be purpose built for kids. My own son does
> pretty well in it.
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...> wrote:
> > Bolger designed a plywood kayak for Payson that is featured in
The
> > Folding Schooner. I don't see the plan on Payson's web site
> anymore,
> > so I guess they decided that it wasn't up to the competition now
> that
> > everyone and his sister is rotomolding kayaks.
> >
> > However, the boat was designed to be build from one 4x12 sheet of
> > ply. Now if you were to make one from an 4x8, shrinking the
length
> by
> > 2/3 but leaving the width closer to the original, you might have
> > something interesting. For land use, note the similarity to a
> soapbox
> > racer. Wheels, steering.... and off she goes.
> >
> > Maybe Gavin has a opinion on this, but I suspect that very young
> > children have better success with a double paddle than either a
> > single paddle or oars. I don't think Maggie would get many miles
on
> > the floatometer this year, in any event. She may be a little
young
> to
> > understand how to keep the boat going straight.
> >
> > Peter
Speaking of Gavin, a Mouse, tho not a scaled down version of
somethin' else, looks to be a pretty nifty kid boat(I plan to build
one this year). I submit my own humble Cubcanu design to the mix too.
Available athttp://angelfire.com/ego/lewisboatworksDesigned for
Cub Scouts, it is to be purpose built for kids. My own son does
pretty well in it.
somethin' else, looks to be a pretty nifty kid boat(I plan to build
one this year). I submit my own humble Cubcanu design to the mix too.
Available athttp://angelfire.com/ego/lewisboatworksDesigned for
Cub Scouts, it is to be purpose built for kids. My own son does
pretty well in it.
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...> wrote:
> Bolger designed a plywood kayak for Payson that is featured in The
> Folding Schooner. I don't see the plan on Payson's web site
anymore,
> so I guess they decided that it wasn't up to the competition now
that
> everyone and his sister is rotomolding kayaks.
>
> However, the boat was designed to be build from one 4x12 sheet of
> ply. Now if you were to make one from an 4x8, shrinking the length
by
> 2/3 but leaving the width closer to the original, you might have
> something interesting. For land use, note the similarity to a
soapbox
> racer. Wheels, steering.... and off she goes.
>
> Maybe Gavin has a opinion on this, but I suspect that very young
> children have better success with a double paddle than either a
> single paddle or oars. I don't think Maggie would get many miles on
> the floatometer this year, in any event. She may be a little young
to
> understand how to keep the boat going straight.
>
> Peter
Ah! A toddler! I recommend a tug boat. Flat bottom for lawn cruising,
vertical topsides with low freeboard for easy ups & downs & ins &
outs (not to mention simple, inexpensive construction). And a
wheelhouse! With a WHEEL! Yupsees! Kids love wheels and wheelhouses.
Much fun and fantasy that Daddies cannot, of course, imagine. A simple
boxy cab, open aft, should do. The wheel need not actually turn
anything, but it should rotate. Such an affair, perhaps 6' LOA and 3'
beam, with a one-kid wheel house and cabin, and a walk-around
deck, would even float nicely in calm shallow water, for gentle,
parent-powered voyages. Equip it with a horn and a bell. Paint it
black and red, like a Moran tug, or finish bright and use as a planter
after its retirment from child entertainment device. I can draw one up
for you, or you could pick a nice profile the next time you're looking
at the harbor from Manhattan.
Later, when she's old enough to appreciate _A Midsummer Night's
Dream_, but still too young for _Romeo and Juliet_, you should *still*
build her a Queen Mab...
;o)
porky
vertical topsides with low freeboard for easy ups & downs & ins &
outs (not to mention simple, inexpensive construction). And a
wheelhouse! With a WHEEL! Yupsees! Kids love wheels and wheelhouses.
Much fun and fantasy that Daddies cannot, of course, imagine. A simple
boxy cab, open aft, should do. The wheel need not actually turn
anything, but it should rotate. Such an affair, perhaps 6' LOA and 3'
beam, with a one-kid wheel house and cabin, and a walk-around
deck, would even float nicely in calm shallow water, for gentle,
parent-powered voyages. Equip it with a horn and a bell. Paint it
black and red, like a Moran tug, or finish bright and use as a planter
after its retirment from child entertainment device. I can draw one up
for you, or you could pick a nice profile the next time you're looking
at the harbor from Manhattan.
Later, when she's old enough to appreciate _A Midsummer Night's
Dream_, but still too young for _Romeo and Juliet_, you should *still*
build her a Queen Mab...
;o)
porky
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> Perhaps I should clarify:
>
> The child in question is all of 2 years old. By the time the water
is
> warm enough for her to play around in anything she'll be 2 1/2.
She's
> been going out with me in the teal "lil'winnie" since before she was
> born. Her first Summer (9 months) she was too little to be
frightened
> of anything, so our trips along the lake shore were quite tranquil.
> At the beginning of last Summer even the gentle rocking of the LSME
> at anchor upsetting unless she had someone to hold her. But by the
> end of the Summer we were making trips out through the (very, very,
> very) small surf on the ocean side.
>
> Last Summer she enjoyed pushing the teal around in the 2-3 inches of
> water required to float it and this Winter she enjoyed climbing in
> and out of the teal at the beach when we'd go down to visit it.
> That's what put the mini-teal into my head. I don't think she'd
> actually sail it or row it, and by the time she was old enough to,
it
> would be too small.
>
> But she might enjoy *playing* with it -- sitting on the lawn with an
> unboomed sail fluttering, pushing it around in the shallows, maybe
> even climbing and feeling for herself how the boat responds to her
> weight shifts without 190 pound dad pitching the thing this way and
> that.
>
> My question about a good mini-boat isn't what would make a "safe"
> boat for a toddler -- no such thing. Rather, other than the teal, do
> any designs come to mind that when scaled down might make good beach
> toys.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> >The fear factor probably depends on the kid, the degree of
> >supervision, and the water temperature! Some kids are very
> >adventurous, and some may already be comfortable around the water.
> >Others are not either. Some kayaks are easier to bail out of than
> >others.
> >--- In bolger@y..., "Gavin Atkin" <gmatkin@c...> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:43:13 -0000
> >> > From: "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
> >> > Subject: Re: BB Fever -- MiniTeal?
> >>
> >> > Maybe Gavin has a opinion on this, but I suspect that very
young
> >> > children have better success with a double paddle than either
a
> >> > single paddle or oars. I don't think Maggie would get many
miles
> >on
> >> > the floatometer this year, in any event. She may be a little
young
> >to
> >> > understand how to keep the boat going straight.
> >>
> >> I've got two views! One is that kids just love double paddles
and
> >learn to
> >> use them instinctively. I think six years is probably the bottom
end
> >of the
> >> age range for double paddling, but your kids may be different to
> >mine. My
> >> other opinion is that kids are easily frightened and so
stability
> >matters
> >> much more to them than ultimate speed. And so I'd say that an
8ft
> >kayak with
> >> sharp bows and stern is not the answer for a kids' double paddle
> >boat
> >> because of the wobble factor. However, an 8ft scow with
off-centre
> >bouyancy
> >> carried out the the ends of the boat can be the answer so long
as
> >the boat
> >> has a skeg to help the paddler make progress rather than
spinning
> >around.
> >>
> >> A Mini-Teal would have the power to put a child off boating for
a
> >long
> >> time...
> >>
> >> Gavin
> >
> >
> >
> >Bolger rules!!!
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like
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> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:43:13 -0000I've got two views! One is that kids just love double paddles and learn to
> From: "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@...>
> Subject: Re: BB Fever -- MiniTeal?
> Maybe Gavin has a opinion on this, but I suspect that very young
> children have better success with a double paddle than either a
> single paddle or oars. I don't think Maggie would get many miles on
> the floatometer this year, in any event. She may be a little young to
> understand how to keep the boat going straight.
use them instinctively. I think six years is probably the bottom end of the
age range for double paddling, but your kids may be different to mine. My
other opinion is that kids are easily frightened and so stability matters
much more to them than ultimate speed. And so I'd say that an 8ft kayak with
sharp bows and stern is not the answer for a kids' double paddle boat
because of the wobble factor. However, an 8ft scow with off-centre bouyancy
carried out the the ends of the boat can be the answer so long as the boat
has a skeg to help the paddler make progress rather than spinning around.
A Mini-Teal would have the power to put a child off boating for a long
time...
Gavin
Perhaps I should clarify:
The child in question is all of 2 years old. By the time the water is
warm enough for her to play around in anything she'll be 2 1/2. She's
been going out with me in the teal "lil'winnie" since before she was
born. Her first Summer (9 months) she was too little to be frightened
of anything, so our trips along the lake shore were quite tranquil.
At the beginning of last Summer even the gentle rocking of the LSME
at anchor upsetting unless she had someone to hold her. But by the
end of the Summer we were making trips out through the (very, very,
very) small surf on the ocean side.
Last Summer she enjoyed pushing the teal around in the 2-3 inches of
water required to float it and this Winter she enjoyed climbing in
and out of the teal at the beach when we'd go down to visit it.
That's what put the mini-teal into my head. I don't think she'd
actually sail it or row it, and by the time she was old enough to, it
would be too small.
But she might enjoy *playing* with it -- sitting on the lawn with an
unboomed sail fluttering, pushing it around in the shallows, maybe
even climbing and feeling for herself how the boat responds to her
weight shifts without 190 pound dad pitching the thing this way and
that.
My question about a good mini-boat isn't what would make a "safe"
boat for a toddler -- no such thing. Rather, other than the teal, do
any designs come to mind that when scaled down might make good beach
toys.
YIBB,
David
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
The child in question is all of 2 years old. By the time the water is
warm enough for her to play around in anything she'll be 2 1/2. She's
been going out with me in the teal "lil'winnie" since before she was
born. Her first Summer (9 months) she was too little to be frightened
of anything, so our trips along the lake shore were quite tranquil.
At the beginning of last Summer even the gentle rocking of the LSME
at anchor upsetting unless she had someone to hold her. But by the
end of the Summer we were making trips out through the (very, very,
very) small surf on the ocean side.
Last Summer she enjoyed pushing the teal around in the 2-3 inches of
water required to float it and this Winter she enjoyed climbing in
and out of the teal at the beach when we'd go down to visit it.
That's what put the mini-teal into my head. I don't think she'd
actually sail it or row it, and by the time she was old enough to, it
would be too small.
But she might enjoy *playing* with it -- sitting on the lawn with an
unboomed sail fluttering, pushing it around in the shallows, maybe
even climbing and feeling for herself how the boat responds to her
weight shifts without 190 pound dad pitching the thing this way and
that.
My question about a good mini-boat isn't what would make a "safe"
boat for a toddler -- no such thing. Rather, other than the teal, do
any designs come to mind that when scaled down might make good beach
toys.
YIBB,
David
>The fear factor probably depends on the kid, the degree ofC.E.P.
>supervision, and the water temperature! Some kids are very
>adventurous, and some may already be comfortable around the water.
>Others are not either. Some kayaks are easier to bail out of than
>others.
>--- In bolger@y..., "Gavin Atkin" <gmatkin@c...> wrote:
>>
>> > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:43:13 -0000
>> > From: "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
>> > Subject: Re: BB Fever -- MiniTeal?
>>
>> > Maybe Gavin has a opinion on this, but I suspect that very young
>> > children have better success with a double paddle than either a
>> > single paddle or oars. I don't think Maggie would get many miles
>on
>> > the floatometer this year, in any event. She may be a little young
>to
>> > understand how to keep the boat going straight.
>>
>> I've got two views! One is that kids just love double paddles and
>learn to
>> use them instinctively. I think six years is probably the bottom end
>of the
>> age range for double paddling, but your kids may be different to
>mine. My
>> other opinion is that kids are easily frightened and so stability
>matters
>> much more to them than ultimate speed. And so I'd say that an 8ft
>kayak with
>> sharp bows and stern is not the answer for a kids' double paddle
>boat
>> because of the wobble factor. However, an 8ft scow with off-centre
>bouyancy
>> carried out the the ends of the boat can be the answer so long as
>the boat
>> has a skeg to help the paddler make progress rather than spinning
>around.
>>
>> A Mini-Teal would have the power to put a child off boating for a
>long
>> time...
>>
>> Gavin
>
>
>
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The fear factor probably depends on the kid, the degree of
supervision, and the water temperature! Some kids are very
adventurous, and some may already be comfortable around the water.
Others are not either. Some kayaks are easier to bail out of than
others.
supervision, and the water temperature! Some kids are very
adventurous, and some may already be comfortable around the water.
Others are not either. Some kayaks are easier to bail out of than
others.
--- In bolger@y..., "Gavin Atkin" <gmatkin@c...> wrote:
>
> > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:43:13 -0000
> > From: "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
> > Subject: Re: BB Fever -- MiniTeal?
>
> > Maybe Gavin has a opinion on this, but I suspect that very young
> > children have better success with a double paddle than either a
> > single paddle or oars. I don't think Maggie would get many miles
on
> > the floatometer this year, in any event. She may be a little young
to
> > understand how to keep the boat going straight.
>
> I've got two views! One is that kids just love double paddles and
learn to
> use them instinctively. I think six years is probably the bottom end
of the
> age range for double paddling, but your kids may be different to
mine. My
> other opinion is that kids are easily frightened and so stability
matters
> much more to them than ultimate speed. And so I'd say that an 8ft
kayak with
> sharp bows and stern is not the answer for a kids' double paddle
boat
> because of the wobble factor. However, an 8ft scow with off-centre
bouyancy
> carried out the the ends of the boat can be the answer so long as
the boat
> has a skeg to help the paddler make progress rather than spinning
around.
>
> A Mini-Teal would have the power to put a child off boating for a
long
> time...
>
> Gavin
A few years ago, when I was making a D4 for daughter #1, I
knocked up a "rocking boat" for daughter #2 who was feeling
a bit left out. Okay, it is not a real boat (although it would float)
but it took my kids on many imaginary voyages, and probably
made for more fun than the real thing.
From memory, here is how I built it (all dimensions in mm):
1. Cut two panels for the sides. The panels are 300 high,
about 1000 long, and curve to a 1000 radius
2. Cut a transom - 600 wide, 300 high
3. Stitch and glue sides and transom together. You could
use cleats for the side/transom joints, but it is probably
easier to use a fillet for the side/side joint at the bow
4. (optional) add a temporary transverse strut to keep the
beam further forward
5. Roll the boat over a sheet of ply and trace off the bottom
panel
6. Stitch-and-glue bottom to sides. This may take some
effort, since there is considerable rocker in the hull
7. Add a seat. I boxed the seat in using scrap ply and put a
hinged lid on it (gives the kids somewhere to store provisions).
Put the seat fairly far forward to offset the weight of the
transom
8. Make a little deck and a mast step for the broomstick rig
9. Grind off all edges and corners so that no one gets hurt
9. Paint. Don't paint the bottom or it will rub off. If your floor
is not carpetted then you might want to glue some carpet
to the bottom.
Whole thing took me about 3 hours, plus painting. It looks
very jaunty and gets many nice comments. It rocks very well.
It also serves as a toy box for storing all those teddy bears.
If my description is unclear I suppose I could draw some
pictures.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
knocked up a "rocking boat" for daughter #2 who was feeling
a bit left out. Okay, it is not a real boat (although it would float)
but it took my kids on many imaginary voyages, and probably
made for more fun than the real thing.
From memory, here is how I built it (all dimensions in mm):
1. Cut two panels for the sides. The panels are 300 high,
about 1000 long, and curve to a 1000 radius
2. Cut a transom - 600 wide, 300 high
3. Stitch and glue sides and transom together. You could
use cleats for the side/transom joints, but it is probably
easier to use a fillet for the side/side joint at the bow
4. (optional) add a temporary transverse strut to keep the
beam further forward
5. Roll the boat over a sheet of ply and trace off the bottom
panel
6. Stitch-and-glue bottom to sides. This may take some
effort, since there is considerable rocker in the hull
7. Add a seat. I boxed the seat in using scrap ply and put a
hinged lid on it (gives the kids somewhere to store provisions).
Put the seat fairly far forward to offset the weight of the
transom
8. Make a little deck and a mast step for the broomstick rig
9. Grind off all edges and corners so that no one gets hurt
9. Paint. Don't paint the bottom or it will rub off. If your floor
is not carpetted then you might want to glue some carpet
to the bottom.
Whole thing took me about 3 hours, plus painting. It looks
very jaunty and gets many nice comments. It rocks very well.
It also serves as a toy box for storing all those teddy bears.
If my description is unclear I suppose I could draw some
pictures.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
Dynamite Payson has been very beligerent (Damn wicked awful idea!)
about scaling down designs - particularly for the "cuteness factor".
This is because of the "drowning factor" that is often the sad
result. He mentions that in his booklet on building the Bolger Dory.
Nels
about scaling down designs - particularly for the "cuteness factor".
This is because of the "drowning factor" that is often the sad
result. He mentions that in his booklet on building the Bolger Dory.
Nels
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...> wrote:
> Bolger designed a plywood kayak for Payson that is featured in The
> Folding Schooner. I don't see the plan on Payson's web site
anymore,
> so I guess they decided that it wasn't up to the competition now
that
> everyone and his sister is rotomolding kayaks.
>
> However, the boat was designed to be build from one 4x12 sheet of
> ply. Now if you were to make one from an 4x8, shrinking the length
by
> 2/3 but leaving the width closer to the original, you might have
> something interesting. For land use, note the similarity to a
soapbox
> racer. Wheels, steering.... and off she goes.
>
> Maybe Gavin has a opinion on this, but I suspect that very young
> children have better success with a double paddle than either a
> single paddle or oars. I don't think Maggie would get many miles on
> the floatometer this year, in any event. She may be a little young
to
> understand how to keep the boat going straight.
>
> Peter
Bolger designed a plywood kayak for Payson that is featured in The
Folding Schooner. I don't see the plan on Payson's web site anymore,
so I guess they decided that it wasn't up to the competition now that
everyone and his sister is rotomolding kayaks.
However, the boat was designed to be build from one 4x12 sheet of
ply. Now if you were to make one from an 4x8, shrinking the length by
2/3 but leaving the width closer to the original, you might have
something interesting. For land use, note the similarity to a soapbox
racer. Wheels, steering.... and off she goes.
Maybe Gavin has a opinion on this, but I suspect that very young
children have better success with a double paddle than either a
single paddle or oars. I don't think Maggie would get many miles on
the floatometer this year, in any event. She may be a little young to
understand how to keep the boat going straight.
Peter
Folding Schooner. I don't see the plan on Payson's web site anymore,
so I guess they decided that it wasn't up to the competition now that
everyone and his sister is rotomolding kayaks.
However, the boat was designed to be build from one 4x12 sheet of
ply. Now if you were to make one from an 4x8, shrinking the length by
2/3 but leaving the width closer to the original, you might have
something interesting. For land use, note the similarity to a soapbox
racer. Wheels, steering.... and off she goes.
Maybe Gavin has a opinion on this, but I suspect that very young
children have better success with a double paddle than either a
single paddle or oars. I don't think Maggie would get many miles on
the floatometer this year, in any event. She may be a little young to
understand how to keep the boat going straight.
Peter
In that case I offer my services as a pilot. One of those other pesky
hobbies that gets in the way of boatbuilding. No SBD'S?
hobbies that gets in the way of boatbuilding. No SBD'S?
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
snip
> Gets me thinking of a mini-carrier that only operates radio
> controlled Wildcats, Hellcats or Corsairs. She'd have to have a
mini-
> bar, or I wouldn'r sail on her.
>
> Bruce
> Sue, you need to join the egroup "piratebretheren", there's noArrrrghh! to port! Arrrrghh! to starboard!
> "H" in Arrrrrghhh!
Arrrrghh! from stem to stern!
-- Sue --
(who spent a few too many hours playing "Freddi Fish" with an
ex-boyfriend's little daughter)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> Maybe a Bolgerized Frosty is something that is needed.Put a deck on a Tortoise, and possibly throw in a bulkhead or
two to make it self-rescuing, and I think you've got one. Or
add flotation bags, possibly made from milk jugs or 2 liter
soda bottles.
-- Sue --
(currently building a Tortoise as a more comfortable Frosty
for summer use)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Sue, you need to join the egroup "piratebretheren", there's no "H" in
Arrrrrghhh!
Avast, bilge wash! I need ta' rinse me sword in that swill.
El Syd
www.if-you-can-take-it-ye-deserve-it.can
Arrrrrghhh!
Avast, bilge wash! I need ta' rinse me sword in that swill.
El Syd
www.if-you-can-take-it-ye-deserve-it.can
The Hero 33 is beautiful, she could really be a fine liveaboard. Not
unlike my ideas for an 8' beam mini freighter.
I remember a mini-Tribal class destroyer from Perth, ON. that visited
Kingston when I was younger, almost any ship you admire can be remade
into a mini version to enjoy at a mini-fraction of the cost of the
original.
Gets me thinking of a mini-carrier that only operates radio
controlled Wildcats, Hellcats or Corsairs. She'd have to have a mini-
bar, or I wouldn'r sail on her.
Bruce
unlike my ideas for an 8' beam mini freighter.
I remember a mini-Tribal class destroyer from Perth, ON. that visited
Kingston when I was younger, almost any ship you admire can be remade
into a mini version to enjoy at a mini-fraction of the cost of the
original.
Gets me thinking of a mini-carrier that only operates radio
controlled Wildcats, Hellcats or Corsairs. She'd have to have a mini-
bar, or I wouldn'r sail on her.
Bruce
Tom Leach, the designer of the Frosty warns against using the Frosty
for small kids. It is really very tippy and has a bad habit of
submarining downwind. You need to pay attention as it happens pretty
quickly. I want to try putting a sprit rig on the Frosty, that
should help prevent the boom from getting caught on your sweatshirt
and causing embarrasing moments. Maybe a Bolgerized Frosty is
something that is needed.
Class secretary, Jen Kano, wrapped garbage bags like sausages
filled with styrofoam packing peanuts and then installed them under
the rails. Although she rarely capsizes, I have seen her crawl back
in after an unexpected dip in December.
David Jost
for small kids. It is really very tippy and has a bad habit of
submarining downwind. You need to pay attention as it happens pretty
quickly. I want to try putting a sprit rig on the Frosty, that
should help prevent the boom from getting caught on your sweatshirt
and causing embarrasing moments. Maybe a Bolgerized Frosty is
something that is needed.
Class secretary, Jen Kano, wrapped garbage bags like sausages
filled with styrofoam packing peanuts and then installed them under
the rails. Although she rarely capsizes, I have seen her crawl back
in after an unexpected dip in December.
David Jost
>
> Well, since we're on the subject, the Frosty is *already* mini,
> and it was designed to be driven hard in cold water, which
> should give it some safety factor for a small child in
> protected conditions.
>
> The Tortoise is also a mini boat, is popular with small children,
> is a Bolger boat, is much simpler to build than a Frosty, and
> could also be useful as a tender if you were to build some other
> large PCB design in the next couple of years.... :-)
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@y...>
Hi Bruce,
I've also liked the idea of some type of freighter,but what
really got me day-dreaming was this non-Bolger beauty.Can be built
either out of plywood or for that serious "don't mess with me"
look,steel!
http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/freighterhb.htm
Properly insulated,should be able to survive our winters,in the
ice if need be,without too much hardship!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who never learnt how to weld anything,from the shores of
the St.Lawence.........
I've also liked the idea of some type of freighter,but what
really got me day-dreaming was this non-Bolger beauty.Can be built
either out of plywood or for that serious "don't mess with me"
look,steel!
http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/freighterhb.htm
Properly insulated,should be able to survive our winters,in the
ice if need be,without too much hardship!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who never learnt how to weld anything,from the shores of
the St.Lawence.........
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> I've long toyed with the idea of a mini-freighter. I'd use a
> sneakeasy type hull which carried her beam further forward and make
> it look line a Great Lakes freighter. Sketches available, if anyone
> wants I'll post one to the files. I'm talking about 24' on 4' beam,
> flat bottom, sleeps two, with small galley and stand up head. Could
> cause a few double takes in the St. Lawrence.
>
> Bruce Hector
The 4 foot beam sketch is in the photo section of this group, second
page of photos. I have a sketch for an 8' version based on two
hawkeye hulls assembled stern to stern to form a double ended design,
if I can find them I'll post it too.
Bruce Hector
page of photos. I have a sketch for an 8' version based on two
hawkeye hulls assembled stern to stern to form a double ended design,
if I can find them I'll post it too.
Bruce Hector
Aaaaaaaahhhhhh Sneakeasy, I like the sounds of that!!! I'd like to
see the sketch too!!
Steve Bosquette
see the sketch too!!
Steve Bosquette
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> I've long toyed with the idea of a mini-freighter. I'd use a
> sneakeasy type hull which carried her beam further forward and make
> it look line a Great Lakes freighter. Sketches available, if anyone
In a message dated 14-03-02 5:15:32 AM E. Australia Standard Time,
bruce_hector@...writes:
Bruce,
I for one would like to see the sketches.
Howard
bruce_hector@...writes:
Bruce,
I for one would like to see the sketches.
Howard
> I've long toyed with the idea of a mini-freighter. I'd use a[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> sneakeasy type hull which carried her beam further forward and make
> it look line a Great Lakes freighter. Sketches available, if anyone
> wants I'll post one to the files.
>
>
I built my daughter a cedar strip model of Sairy Gamp, Rushtons 9 foot by 28
inch (I think) open canoe. It took about three months of evenings and was a
lot of fun to build. Offsets are in Atwood Manley's book about Rushton. If
you do it, Maggie will have the prettiest boat on the lake, bar none. (He
said modestly.)
Both kids could use it easily -- they were ages 9 and 5. My son and I could
just stay afloat at a combined weight of some 260 pounds and no discernible
freeboard, so it would have got a long useful life. My daughter is 17 now
and in love with horses, and my son has his own Elegant Punt (Bolger
content!), so the canoe doesn't get used much now.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: David Ryan [mailto:david@...]
Sent: March 13, 2002 9:15 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] BB Fever -- MiniTeal?
FBBB --
Tomorrow's supposed to be a beautiful Spring day, but today is grey
and drizzly and I've got serious Boatbuilding fever.
I'm thinking of building a 1/2 scale teal on the pretext that Maggie
could play in it in the yard now, and at the lake once the water
warms up.
Maggie is about 33 inches tall and about 28 pounds, so the dimensions
of a 1/2 teal scale pretty nicely. Any other ideas for a mini boat?
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
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inch (I think) open canoe. It took about three months of evenings and was a
lot of fun to build. Offsets are in Atwood Manley's book about Rushton. If
you do it, Maggie will have the prettiest boat on the lake, bar none. (He
said modestly.)
Both kids could use it easily -- they were ages 9 and 5. My son and I could
just stay afloat at a combined weight of some 260 pounds and no discernible
freeboard, so it would have got a long useful life. My daughter is 17 now
and in love with horses, and my son has his own Elegant Punt (Bolger
content!), so the canoe doesn't get used much now.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: David Ryan [mailto:david@...]
Sent: March 13, 2002 9:15 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] BB Fever -- MiniTeal?
FBBB --
Tomorrow's supposed to be a beautiful Spring day, but today is grey
and drizzly and I've got serious Boatbuilding fever.
I'm thinking of building a 1/2 scale teal on the pretext that Maggie
could play in it in the yard now, and at the lake once the water
warms up.
Maggie is about 33 inches tall and about 28 pounds, so the dimensions
of a 1/2 teal scale pretty nicely. Any other ideas for a mini boat?
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
minute! Bolger has already done that!
If you really, really loved, I mean LOVED, your daughter, you would
build her a Queen Mab.....
;o)
Porky
(Who loves his daughter a lot, but is building Queen Mab for hisself)
> I don't mean a small boat, like a tortoise, nymph, etc. I mean aHow about miniturizing an old-fashioned lapstrake catboat? Oh, wait a
> miniature boat, a scaled down version on something -- for the cute
> factor.
>
> Any other designs that might scale down, but still be functional?
minute! Bolger has already done that!
If you really, really loved, I mean LOVED, your daughter, you would
build her a Queen Mab.....
;o)
Porky
(Who loves his daughter a lot, but is building Queen Mab for hisself)
Not Bolger, but check out some of Platt Monfort's miniature
Whitehalls.
http://www.geodesicairoliteboats.com/whitehalljr.html
http://www.geodesicairoliteboats.com/toywhitehall.html
Whitehalls.
http://www.geodesicairoliteboats.com/whitehalljr.html
http://www.geodesicairoliteboats.com/toywhitehall.html
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> >> Any other ideas for a mini boat?
> >
> >Well, since we're on the subject, the Frosty is *already* mini,
>
> >The Tortoise is also a mini boat, is popular with small children,
>
> I don't mean a small boat, like a tortoise, nymph, etc. I mean a
> miniature boat, a scaled down version on something -- for the cute
> factor.
>
> Any other designs that might scale down, but still be functional?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> C.E.P.
> 415 W.46th Street
> New York, New York 10036
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> (212) 247-0296
Why a mini-freighter? Given the composition of the rest of your
proposed fleet, I think you would need an ASW platform more, tho I
suppose an oiler might not be out of place. You will need to recruit
crew from this group, I bet, but likely we are not qualified for those
types. Particularly if carrier has authentic power source.
proposed fleet, I think you would need an ASW platform more, tho I
suppose an oiler might not be out of place. You will need to recruit
crew from this group, I bet, but likely we are not qualified for those
types. Particularly if carrier has authentic power source.
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> I've long toyed with the idea of a mini-freighter. I'd use a
> sneakeasy type hull which carried her beam further forward and make
> it look line a Great Lakes freighter. Sketches available, if anyone
> wants I'll post one to the files. I'm talking about 24' on 4' beam,
> flat bottom, sleeps two, with small galley and stand up head. Could
> cause a few double takes in the St. Lawrence.
>
> Bruce Hector
I've long toyed with the idea of a mini-freighter. I'd use a
sneakeasy type hull which carried her beam further forward and make
it look line a Great Lakes freighter. Sketches available, if anyone
wants I'll post one to the files. I'm talking about 24' on 4' beam,
flat bottom, sleeps two, with small galley and stand up head. Could
cause a few double takes in the St. Lawrence.
Bruce Hector
sneakeasy type hull which carried her beam further forward and make
it look line a Great Lakes freighter. Sketches available, if anyone
wants I'll post one to the files. I'm talking about 24' on 4' beam,
flat bottom, sleeps two, with small galley and stand up head. Could
cause a few double takes in the St. Lawrence.
Bruce Hector
> I don't mean a small boat, like a tortoise, nymph, etc. I mean aWell, you could make a mini-Scooner... I'd think she'd be awfully
> miniature boat, a scaled down version on something -- for the cute
> factor.
tender if Maggie ever tried to actually sail her, but she'd be
utterly brilliant as a lawn toy or playhouse.
Derek Waters designed what is essentially a mini Micro or Oldshoe
for last year's Duckworks contest. I'm sorely tempted to build
one, but it's a bit of a jigsaw puzzle in spots to fit the
required bill of materials. There's also a miniature Lake Erie
pound-net boat, intended for use as a junior sailing trainer,
which looks simpler to build; I'd make the mast in one piece if
I were building one, though.
The "Pirate Racer" and "Grampa's Pirate Ship" were designed to
entertain small children; a mini version of one would be both
cute and fun. Harrrrr!
And if you're feeling exceptionally evil, there's always the
mini-AS29.... :-)
-- Sue --
(a mini version of a certain large foldable PCB design would
be a useful study project, but it'd probably be too skinny for
Maggie to even fit aboard)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>> Any other ideas for a mini boat?I don't mean a small boat, like a tortoise, nymph, etc. I mean a
>
>Well, since we're on the subject, the Frosty is *already* mini,
>The Tortoise is also a mini boat, is popular with small children,
miniature boat, a scaled down version on something -- for the cute
factor.
Any other designs that might scale down, but still be functional?
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
> Any other ideas for a mini boat?Well, since we're on the subject, the Frosty is *already* mini,
and it was designed to be driven hard in cold water, which
should give it some safety factor for a small child in
protected conditions.
The Tortoise is also a mini boat, is popular with small children,
is a Bolger boat, is much simpler to build than a Frosty, and
could also be useful as a tender if you were to build some other
large PCB design in the next couple of years.... :-)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
FBBB --
Tomorrow's supposed to be a beautiful Spring day, but today is grey
and drizzly and I've got serious Boatbuilding fever.
I'm thinking of building a 1/2 scale teal on the pretext that Maggie
could play in it in the yard now, and at the lake once the water
warms up.
Maggie is about 33 inches tall and about 28 pounds, so the dimensions
of a 1/2 teal scale pretty nicely. Any other ideas for a mini boat?
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
Tomorrow's supposed to be a beautiful Spring day, but today is grey
and drizzly and I've got serious Boatbuilding fever.
I'm thinking of building a 1/2 scale teal on the pretext that Maggie
could play in it in the yard now, and at the lake once the water
warms up.
Maggie is about 33 inches tall and about 28 pounds, so the dimensions
of a 1/2 teal scale pretty nicely. Any other ideas for a mini boat?
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
134 West 26th St. 12th Floor
New York, New York 10001
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296