Re: [bolger] I60 hinges
In a message dated 3/26/02 6:24:40 PM Central Standard Time,
david@...writes:
forearm from the over-head segment (final) of a tech school class about 50
years ago. (give or take a few) (for some reason, once I got a bead started,
I'd forget to keep my left hand up, so the sparks kept running down the cuff
of the glove until the physical pain overcame my anxiety about the quality of
my weld.)
I've never welded anything in earnest. "Stick" welding relatively thick (e.g.
1/4" or greater) mild steel is not very difficult, which is not to say that
you can't do a weak weld, otherwise nice in appearance, with lots of voids or
slag inclusions or whatever, which defects only become apparent when the
weld is cut open by a critical instructor.
However, all this requires equipment and some practice. Whether it makes
psychological or economic sense to D.I.Y., as opposed to hiring a "pro" to do
the work is something only you can decide. I think I would be inclined to
farm this job out - its already a huge committment! Good luck.
Ciao for Niao,
Bill in MN
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david@...writes:
> Now my actual welding experience amounts to watching "Junkyard Wars"The only souvenir I have of welding is a nice pattern of scars on my left
> marathons. So a question for you guy who do know how to weld: Do you
> think I could do it?
>
forearm from the over-head segment (final) of a tech school class about 50
years ago. (give or take a few) (for some reason, once I got a bead started,
I'd forget to keep my left hand up, so the sparks kept running down the cuff
of the glove until the physical pain overcame my anxiety about the quality of
my weld.)
I've never welded anything in earnest. "Stick" welding relatively thick (e.g.
1/4" or greater) mild steel is not very difficult, which is not to say that
you can't do a weak weld, otherwise nice in appearance, with lots of voids or
slag inclusions or whatever, which defects only become apparent when the
weld is cut open by a critical instructor.
However, all this requires equipment and some practice. Whether it makes
psychological or economic sense to D.I.Y., as opposed to hiring a "pro" to do
the work is something only you can decide. I think I would be inclined to
farm this job out - its already a huge committment! Good luck.
Ciao for Niao,
Bill in MN
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David,
Any idiot can learn to weld--I'm prove of that. I don't enjoy welding
and I hate working with steel, but I picked it up pretty easily. Of
course, my father was a union steamfitter and always had the gear and
scrap steel scattered about. Using these and an old textbook, I
taught myself in about six weeks (the old man refused to teach me as
he expected me to earn a living with my brain).
You could probably take a course at a community college, an adult ed
course at a high school, or pay a local welder to give you lessons.
It's really no big deal....
porky
Any idiot can learn to weld--I'm prove of that. I don't enjoy welding
and I hate working with steel, but I picked it up pretty easily. Of
course, my father was a union steamfitter and always had the gear and
scrap steel scattered about. Using these and an old textbook, I
taught myself in about six weeks (the old man refused to teach me as
he expected me to earn a living with my brain).
You could probably take a course at a community college, an adult ed
course at a high school, or pay a local welder to give you lessons.
It's really no big deal....
porky
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> FBBB --
>
> Okay, so the keel's a mofo and it's going to cost me a mint. Well
> stuff happens; whatcha gonna do? On the other hand, I'm begining to
> suspect that the hinges will be easy and fun to make.
>
> I was stuck in traffic next to an auto carrying truck. If there's
> anything that has more pivots, hinges and hydraulics, I don't get
> stuck next to them in traffic. (That I was stuck in traffic at all
> point to a serious defect in my priorities.)
>
> The more I look at the thing's working parts, the more I started to
> feel like I could probably mock up the hinges in plywood and then
> weld them out of plate steel. Steel is cheap, and I think you can
> learn to weld talking night classes at a community college. If it
> took me ten tries to get it right it probably wouldn't cost $100.
> When I finally did get them right I could send them off to a power
> coating shop to make 'em look fancy.
>
> Now my actual welding experience amounts to watching "Junkyard
Wars"
> marathons. So a question for you guy who do know how to weld: Do
you
> think I could do it?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> C.E.P.
> 415 W.46th Street
> New York, New York 10036
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> (212) 247-0296
I'm an novice at welding but have built 3 trailers so far. The
one for the Frolic2 was pulled several thousands of miles with
no problems, the other has almost 100,000 on it too for
business purposes.
Welding is fairly easy as long as you stay with mild steel. If
high strength is needed in the welds you can use 7018 rod, but
several passes with good old 6011 or 6013 will work.
Practice makes perfect. Use a normal weaving pattern back and
forth with a slight forward arch to the motions. Kind of like
making mini half-moon movements.
Wire welding is easier and cleaner but stick works fine too.
Temperature is important and you should get a nice crackle
sound, if it sounds more like a hissing or rushing steam sound
your too low on amperage. Too hot and it's obvious.
Get a book showing what good and bad welds look like that has
the basics in it. Welding is easy as long as you can book
learn some of the basics and stay with mild steel and keep it
clean. Try to weld everything flat. Start doing verticals and
overheads and skill comes into play fast.
Go with anything else like S.S., copper nickel, cast iron, etc.
and you will certainly need classes as it takes a lot of skill
to do it properly.
Please note, my opinion only here. I'm a DIY kinda guy anyway.
Jeff
one for the Frolic2 was pulled several thousands of miles with
no problems, the other has almost 100,000 on it too for
business purposes.
Welding is fairly easy as long as you stay with mild steel. If
high strength is needed in the welds you can use 7018 rod, but
several passes with good old 6011 or 6013 will work.
Practice makes perfect. Use a normal weaving pattern back and
forth with a slight forward arch to the motions. Kind of like
making mini half-moon movements.
Wire welding is easier and cleaner but stick works fine too.
Temperature is important and you should get a nice crackle
sound, if it sounds more like a hissing or rushing steam sound
your too low on amperage. Too hot and it's obvious.
Get a book showing what good and bad welds look like that has
the basics in it. Welding is easy as long as you can book
learn some of the basics and stay with mild steel and keep it
clean. Try to weld everything flat. Start doing verticals and
overheads and skill comes into play fast.
Go with anything else like S.S., copper nickel, cast iron, etc.
and you will certainly need classes as it takes a lot of skill
to do it properly.
Please note, my opinion only here. I'm a DIY kinda guy anyway.
Jeff
FBBB --
Okay, so the keel's a mofo and it's going to cost me a mint. Well
stuff happens; whatcha gonna do? On the other hand, I'm begining to
suspect that the hinges will be easy and fun to make.
I was stuck in traffic next to an auto carrying truck. If there's
anything that has more pivots, hinges and hydraulics, I don't get
stuck next to them in traffic. (That I was stuck in traffic at all
point to a serious defect in my priorities.)
The more I look at the thing's working parts, the more I started to
feel like I could probably mock up the hinges in plywood and then
weld them out of plate steel. Steel is cheap, and I think you can
learn to weld talking night classes at a community college. If it
took me ten tries to get it right it probably wouldn't cost $100.
When I finally did get them right I could send them off to a power
coating shop to make 'em look fancy.
Now my actual welding experience amounts to watching "Junkyard Wars"
marathons. So a question for you guy who do know how to weld: Do you
think I could do it?
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
Okay, so the keel's a mofo and it's going to cost me a mint. Well
stuff happens; whatcha gonna do? On the other hand, I'm begining to
suspect that the hinges will be easy and fun to make.
I was stuck in traffic next to an auto carrying truck. If there's
anything that has more pivots, hinges and hydraulics, I don't get
stuck next to them in traffic. (That I was stuck in traffic at all
point to a serious defect in my priorities.)
The more I look at the thing's working parts, the more I started to
feel like I could probably mock up the hinges in plywood and then
weld them out of plate steel. Steel is cheap, and I think you can
learn to weld talking night classes at a community college. If it
took me ten tries to get it right it probably wouldn't cost $100.
When I finally did get them right I could send them off to a power
coating shop to make 'em look fancy.
Now my actual welding experience amounts to watching "Junkyard Wars"
marathons. So a question for you guy who do know how to weld: Do you
think I could do it?
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296