Re: Oops, I did it again
Mike,
That is food for thought. But, I think it has more to do with life
style than anything as practical as thinking about dollars and
cents.
If you get the adrenaline pumping rounding marks and screaming
downwind on deep draft fin keeled boats, go for it! If you and your
family need 4 bunks, a private head, and you don't have time to build
your own, have a blast buying what you feel fits your needs.
My current needs indicate that Micro is best for me an mine at the
present time.
Micro gives me peace of mind after a long day at work. Planing wood
and making the shavings fly is a good stress reducer.
Micro will allow me to launch and retrieve with relative ease.
Hurricane season is no worry to me now. Arc welding a trailer is
theraputic.
Micro will allow my kids to climb out and explore the mud flats, and
beaches at a whim.
Micro will sleep two kids and one dad (sleeping bag on deck under the
tent. Porta potti hidden discreetly).
Micro will allow adventures to other ports for overnights, when a
good weather window presents itself.
I am not foolish enough to even think about keeping up with a J24 to
windward and getting from Harwich to Nantucket in under 3 hours.
Micro will take at least 6 hours. However, when I am there, I can
nestle up to a sandbar, or pick a remote location to anchor and
perhaps even walk to town on my own. Freedom from the dinghy, and
from the launch can make a stay in a crowded port more enjoyable. (4
kts. 20 miles, and lots of tacking). Micro will not host a party of
6 with hors deovres, and comfort; it will host a party of 2, a jug
of wine, a loaf of bread, a wedge of brie...
Time to stop.... It is a good day to continue to fair the hull!
See you on the water (I will be on the boat with the kids splashing
in the water around it, and the man with the silly grin on his face
in the middle of all of it.
David Jost
"waiting for the bell to ring"
That is food for thought. But, I think it has more to do with life
style than anything as practical as thinking about dollars and
cents.
If you get the adrenaline pumping rounding marks and screaming
downwind on deep draft fin keeled boats, go for it! If you and your
family need 4 bunks, a private head, and you don't have time to build
your own, have a blast buying what you feel fits your needs.
My current needs indicate that Micro is best for me an mine at the
present time.
Micro gives me peace of mind after a long day at work. Planing wood
and making the shavings fly is a good stress reducer.
Micro will allow me to launch and retrieve with relative ease.
Hurricane season is no worry to me now. Arc welding a trailer is
theraputic.
Micro will allow my kids to climb out and explore the mud flats, and
beaches at a whim.
Micro will sleep two kids and one dad (sleeping bag on deck under the
tent. Porta potti hidden discreetly).
Micro will allow adventures to other ports for overnights, when a
good weather window presents itself.
I am not foolish enough to even think about keeping up with a J24 to
windward and getting from Harwich to Nantucket in under 3 hours.
Micro will take at least 6 hours. However, when I am there, I can
nestle up to a sandbar, or pick a remote location to anchor and
perhaps even walk to town on my own. Freedom from the dinghy, and
from the launch can make a stay in a crowded port more enjoyable. (4
kts. 20 miles, and lots of tacking). Micro will not host a party of
6 with hors deovres, and comfort; it will host a party of 2, a jug
of wine, a loaf of bread, a wedge of brie...
Time to stop.... It is a good day to continue to fair the hull!
See you on the water (I will be on the boat with the kids splashing
in the water around it, and the man with the silly grin on his face
in the middle of all of it.
David Jost
"waiting for the bell to ring"
> Maybe they just want to go sailing without spending large amountsof
> their irreplacable free time building a boat with no resale value.-0296
>
> Mike
>
> Where did you hear the bit about production builders switching toI don't know. But I found these sites that suggest the motivation:
> aluminum construction?
http://www.epa.gov/reg3artd/whatnew/boat_fs.htm
http://www.reichhold.com/Teams/BoatMACTfinal.htm
My guess is you will see production mid-size power craft long before
you see sailboats. The market is bigger and some powerboat buyers
will be moving up from smaller Al craft.
I only know of one small Al production sailboat, the Peregrine at 26'
I've seen two on the used boat market. I haven't found a site for the
builder or designer (whoever he/she is). Looks like dandy boat,
though.
Peter
> So I figure that the entry costsAccording to Thomas Colvin, a well-equiped wooden boat shop can sweep
> can't be too bad, given a decent pool of skilled labour.
away the sawdust from a wooden boat and lay down an aluminum one with
very little new equipement. Aside from welding, it's mostly the same
tools. Colvin should know because he did it.
On the other hand, really expensive equipment (e.g. computer
controlled cutting machines) can save a lot of time and money if they
can be shared so you only pay for the machine when you are actually
using it.
Peter
On Thursday 28 March 2002 07:47, dvacanti wrote:
boat industry. There must be at least a dozen builders in a city with a
population of 1.2 million and several thousands of kms to the next
decent sized city. Of course, these are all stinkboats - fishing, diving
and cruising being the main markets. So I figure that the entry costs
can't be too bad, given a decent pool of skilled labour.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
> Where did you hear the bit about production builders switching toHere in Perth, Western Australia there is a very active aluminium
> aluminum construction? I wonder which which method would be more cost
> effective for commercial builders, aluminum or fiberglass/epoxy?
> Hell, maybe we'll see wooden production boats again (I doubt it).
boat industry. There must be at least a dozen builders in a city with a
population of 1.2 million and several thousands of kms to the next
decent sized city. Of course, these are all stinkboats - fishing, diving
and cruising being the main markets. So I figure that the entry costs
can't be too bad, given a decent pool of skilled labour.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
I think you are correct that resale value is a major deciding factor
when a boat is purchased.
Where did you hear the bit about production builders switching to
aluminum construction? I wonder which which method would be more cost
effective for commercial builders, aluminum or fiberglass/epoxy?
Hell, maybe we'll see wooden production boats again (I doubt it).
Mike
when a boat is purchased.
Where did you hear the bit about production builders switching to
aluminum construction? I wonder which which method would be more cost
effective for commercial builders, aluminum or fiberglass/epoxy?
Hell, maybe we'll see wooden production boats again (I doubt it).
Mike
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> People buy imitation racing boats for a host of reasons, including
> peer group pressure, not knowing any better, status, etc. One of
the
> really big reasons is that it's the easiest way to choose a boat
that
> is going to have max resale value. (They have the best resale value
> because it the kind of boat people choose. Circular.)
>
> However, consider the choices. Once upon a time there were 10 or 12
> sizeable sailboat builders in the US. Each builder could bias his
> line for his local market. Irwin for Florida, Pearson for the
> Northeast, etc. Now there are four builders that monopolize the
> market and they all have to sell the same boats everywhere. It's as
> if you either had to buy a Chevy or go to a semi-custom coach
builder.
>
I think for most people neither of these 2 options are attractive.
There is a world of difference between buying a stock production
fiberglass sailboat and either building one's own boat or having a
custom design built. I already discussed self building in my previous
post. Having a boat custom built requires a) lots of money and b)
enough boating knowledge to know what you want. I think most (but not
all) of the owners of those deep draft sailboats in SF Bay marinas
wouldn't be able to intelligently specify what they really want in a
boat. So to me it seems they are left with 3 choices, 1) Find a new
marina. 2) Try to find a stock boat with a centerboard or 3) sell the
boat.
Regards,
Mike
There is a world of difference between buying a stock production
fiberglass sailboat and either building one's own boat or having a
custom design built. I already discussed self building in my previous
post. Having a boat custom built requires a) lots of money and b)
enough boating knowledge to know what you want. I think most (but not
all) of the owners of those deep draft sailboats in SF Bay marinas
wouldn't be able to intelligently specify what they really want in a
boat. So to me it seems they are left with 3 choices, 1) Find a new
marina. 2) Try to find a stock boat with a centerboard or 3) sell the
boat.
Regards,
Mike
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., "dvacanti" <mike_vacanti@h...> wrote:
> > perceived as a sort of reverse snobbism i.e., anyone who would
own
>
> True in part, for good reason, because in S.F. Bay ...
>
> ...there are many marinas that cannot get permits to do dredging
> which are silting up. The one nearest to where I'm sitting now has
> only 4 feet of draft in the main channel. I think that a shoal
draft
> boat, like sooo many of PCB boats, would be a really good choice
> around here! Home built, or professional built if you have more
> money than free time.
>
> Still, all I seem to see is a fleet of deep keel fiberglass Marconi
> rigged sailboats. A 48 foot long Resolution could happly use a
> silted up marina, plus sail the large areas of S.F. Bay's shallow
> waters that are off limits to those deep keel sailboats.
Then there are those of us that are crazy about building boats
to the extreme. I guess I fit into that catagory.
It's the same mentality of those who build those cool custom
cars. Sure they could by a new car, but's more fun to build one
to fit their "idea" of the perfect car, and it's not always
cheaper!
I sincerely hope that we haven't actually implied the "reverse
snobbism" on this group. It certainly isn't what PB&F is all
about. I would guess the larger majority of members are building
for hobby and going small such as tenders for their
own "production" boat. Perfect way to enjoy Mr. Bolgers work.
Jeff
to the extreme. I guess I fit into that catagory.
It's the same mentality of those who build those cool custom
cars. Sure they could by a new car, but's more fun to build one
to fit their "idea" of the perfect car, and it's not always
cheaper!
I sincerely hope that we haven't actually implied the "reverse
snobbism" on this group. It certainly isn't what PB&F is all
about. I would guess the larger majority of members are building
for hobby and going small such as tenders for their
own "production" boat. Perfect way to enjoy Mr. Bolgers work.
Jeff
>
> perceived as a sort of reverse snobbism i.e., anyone who
> would own a production fiberglass boat is a fool who is
> being led around by the nose as far as their boating
> choices go. I'll grant you that most boats sit at the dock
> on any given weekend but I don't agree that anyone with
> "irreplacable free time" will automatically have
> no time to actually use a production boat if they owned
> one. Certainly there are workaholic types who have lots of
> status things that they don't really have time for (boats,
> airplanes, spouses, children...) but it doesn't
> automatically follow that you must be a workaholic to afford
> a modest used production sailboat. If someone wanted to get
> out on the water as soon as possible for the least money
> then a used
> fiberglass boat is the way to go. Building a boat can be
> very
> enjoyable, I've been thinking lately about what boat I want
> to build next. But I don't think someone is a lemming
> because they want to go sailing, not spend their next 50 to
> 100 weekends building a boat.
>
> Sincerely,
> Mike
>Here in San Francisco Bay, the only available "live aboard"People buy imitation racing boats for a host of reasons, including
> berths are in the silted up marinas that can't take deep keel boats
> [and can't afford dredging permits]. Bolger shoal draft boats
> should be popular around here, but the deep keel Marconi rigs are
> what everyone buys, go figure.
peer group pressure, not knowing any better, status, etc. One of the
really big reasons is that it's the easiest way to choose a boat that
is going to have max resale value. (They have the best resale value
because it the kind of boat people choose. Circular.)
However, consider the choices. Once upon a time there were 10 or 12
sizeable sailboat builders in the US. Each builder could bias his
line for his local market. Irwin for Florida, Pearson for the
Northeast, etc. Now there are four builders that monopolize the
market and they all have to sell the same boats everywhere. It's as
if you either had to buy a Chevy or go to a semi-custom coach builder.
Someday, someone will figure out how to build a boat at a competitive
price with lot size = 1. Then we will be getting somewhere.
Incidently, I did read a prediction that major builders were going to
be pressured to go from fiberglass to aluminium construction because
of air quality considerations. The writer thought that this fact kept
new players from entering the market because they would have to tool
up for 'glass production now, and then have to switch to aluminium
before they got their money back from the initial investment.
Peter
(Beneteau, Hunter, TPI, and Catalina have comprise about 90% of the
market, I believe.)
--- In bolger@y..., "dvacanti" <mike_vacanti@h...> wrote:
...there are many marinas that cannot get permits to do dredging
which are silting up. The one nearest to where I'm sitting now has
only 4 feet of draft in the main channel. I think that a shoal draft
boat, like sooo many of PCB boats, would be a really good choice
around here! Home built, or professional built if you have more
money than free time.
Still, all I seem to see is a fleet of deep keel fiberglass Marconi
rigged sailboats. A 48 foot long Resolution could happly use a
silted up marina, plus sail the large areas of S.F. Bay's shallow
waters that are off limits to those deep keel sailboats.
> perceived as a sort of reverse snobbism i.e., anyone who would ownTrue in part, for good reason, because in S.F. Bay ...
...there are many marinas that cannot get permits to do dredging
which are silting up. The one nearest to where I'm sitting now has
only 4 feet of draft in the main channel. I think that a shoal draft
boat, like sooo many of PCB boats, would be a really good choice
around here! Home built, or professional built if you have more
money than free time.
Still, all I seem to see is a fleet of deep keel fiberglass Marconi
rigged sailboats. A 48 foot long Resolution could happly use a
silted up marina, plus sail the large areas of S.F. Bay's shallow
waters that are off limits to those deep keel sailboats.
I built a Junebug that I've been using for about a year and a half
now. I had fun building it and just as much fun using it with my wife
and 3 little kids. I'd been wanting to build a boat for many years
and finally found myself with enough extra money and a garage to
build it in. It took longer to build than I had expected (1 year of
part time work with significant interruptions) and cost more to build
than I had expected. To my mind the most difficult part of the build
was finding the time. I ended up building most of the boat between
the hours of 10 pm and 2 am after my kids had gone to sleep.
I felt compelled to respond to this thread because of what I
perceived as a sort of reverse snobbism i.e., anyone who would own a
production fiberglass boat is a fool who is being led around by the
nose as far as their boating choices go. I'll grant you that most
boats sit at the dock on any given weekend but I don't agree that
anyone with "irreplacable free time" will automatically have no time
to actually use a production boat if they owned one. Certainly there
are workaholic types who have lots of status things that they don't
really have time for (boats, airplanes, spouses, children...) but it
doesn't automatically follow that you must be a workaholic to afford
a modest used production sailboat. If someone wanted to get out on
the water as soon as possible for the least money then a used
fiberglass boat is the way to go. Building a boat can be very
enjoyable, I've been thinking lately about what boat I want to build
next. But I don't think someone is a lemming because they want to go
sailing, not spend their next 50 to 100 weekends building a boat.
Sincerely,
Mike
now. I had fun building it and just as much fun using it with my wife
and 3 little kids. I'd been wanting to build a boat for many years
and finally found myself with enough extra money and a garage to
build it in. It took longer to build than I had expected (1 year of
part time work with significant interruptions) and cost more to build
than I had expected. To my mind the most difficult part of the build
was finding the time. I ended up building most of the boat between
the hours of 10 pm and 2 am after my kids had gone to sleep.
I felt compelled to respond to this thread because of what I
perceived as a sort of reverse snobbism i.e., anyone who would own a
production fiberglass boat is a fool who is being led around by the
nose as far as their boating choices go. I'll grant you that most
boats sit at the dock on any given weekend but I don't agree that
anyone with "irreplacable free time" will automatically have no time
to actually use a production boat if they owned one. Certainly there
are workaholic types who have lots of status things that they don't
really have time for (boats, airplanes, spouses, children...) but it
doesn't automatically follow that you must be a workaholic to afford
a modest used production sailboat. If someone wanted to get out on
the water as soon as possible for the least money then a used
fiberglass boat is the way to go. Building a boat can be very
enjoyable, I've been thinking lately about what boat I want to build
next. But I don't think someone is a lemming because they want to go
sailing, not spend their next 50 to 100 weekends building a boat.
Sincerely,
Mike
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> Spoken like someone who's never caught a fish in a boat they've
built
> themselves ;-)
>
> Besides, it's a well known fact that if you don't have enough
> "irreplaceable free time" to enjoy building a boat (resalable, or
> not) you'll never have enough time to enjoy it -- unless you
> enjoyment comes mostly from the knowledge that you own it and that
> it's sitting at the dock waiting for you.
>
> That's a form of enjoyment not to be discounted lightly. Most of
the
> boats that Summer out here in Montauk rarely leave the dock.
> Obviously the knowledge that it's there if you really did want to
go
> fishing or sailing or whatever provides enough enjoyment to full an
> entire industry.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
Spoken like someone who's never caught a fish in a boat they've built
themselves ;-)
Besides, it's a well known fact that if you don't have enough
"irreplaceable free time" to enjoy building a boat (resalable, or
not) you'll never have enough time to enjoy it -- unless you
enjoyment comes mostly from the knowledge that you own it and that
it's sitting at the dock waiting for you.
That's a form of enjoyment not to be discounted lightly. Most of the
boats that Summer out here in Montauk rarely leave the dock.
Obviously the knowledge that it's there if you really did want to go
fishing or sailing or whatever provides enough enjoyment to full an
entire industry.
YIBB,
David
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
themselves ;-)
Besides, it's a well known fact that if you don't have enough
"irreplaceable free time" to enjoy building a boat (resalable, or
not) you'll never have enough time to enjoy it -- unless you
enjoyment comes mostly from the knowledge that you own it and that
it's sitting at the dock waiting for you.
That's a form of enjoyment not to be discounted lightly. Most of the
boats that Summer out here in Montauk rarely leave the dock.
Obviously the knowledge that it's there if you really did want to go
fishing or sailing or whatever provides enough enjoyment to full an
entire industry.
YIBB,
David
>Maybe they just want to go sailing without spending large amounts ofC.E.P.
>their irreplacable free time building a boat with no resale value.
>
>Mike
>
>--- In bolger@y..., "rnlocnil" <lincolnr@m...> wrote:
>> Another possibility is that they know exactly what they are doing:
>> signalling that they are conformists with too much money. This can
>be
>> useful for them if they're willing to pay that price. Kind of like
>the
>> tail on a peacock, or a potlatch.
>> --- In bolger@y..., "rlspell2000" <richard@s...> wrote:
>> > NO! It's the lemming principal.
>> >
>> > --- In bolger@y..., "rnlocnil" <lincolnr@m...> wrote:
>> > > I've heard that SF has strong winds. Maybe people aren't used
>to
>> > > shallow boats with good stability?
>> > > --- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>> > > > >--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>> > > > >> Macon, Georgia who cast his own 8000lbs. keel, and now my
>> > house
>> > > is
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Resolution has an 8,000 lbs. lead keel, hmm...possible?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Here in San Francisco Bay, the only available "live aboard"
>> > berths
>> > > > >are in the silted up marinas that can't take deep keel boats
>> [and
>> > > > >can't afford dredging permits]. Bolger shoal draft boats
>> should
>> > be
>> > > > >popular around here, but the deep keel Marconi rigs are what
>> > > everyone
>> > > > >buys, go figure.
>> > > >
>> > > > Bad ideas, dishonesty, and fear ;-)
>> > > >
>> > > > YIBB,
>> > > >
>> > > > David
>> > > >
>> > > > C.E.P.
>> > > > 415 W.46th Street
>> > > > New York, New York 10036
>> > > >http://www.crumblingempire.com
>> > > > (212) 247-0296
>
>
>
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415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
Maybe they just want to go sailing without spending large amounts of
their irreplacable free time building a boat with no resale value.
Mike
their irreplacable free time building a boat with no resale value.
Mike
--- In bolger@y..., "rnlocnil" <lincolnr@m...> wrote:
> Another possibility is that they know exactly what they are doing:
> signalling that they are conformists with too much money. This can
be
> useful for them if they're willing to pay that price. Kind of like
the
> tail on a peacock, or a potlatch.
> --- In bolger@y..., "rlspell2000" <richard@s...> wrote:
> > NO! It's the lemming principal.
> >
> > --- In bolger@y..., "rnlocnil" <lincolnr@m...> wrote:
> > > I've heard that SF has strong winds. Maybe people aren't used
to
> > > shallow boats with good stability?
> > > --- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> > > > >--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> > > > >> Macon, Georgia who cast his own 8000lbs. keel, and now my
> > house
> > > is
> > > > >
> > > > >Resolution has an 8,000 lbs. lead keel, hmm...possible?
> > > > >
> > > > >Here in San Francisco Bay, the only available "live aboard"
> > berths
> > > > >are in the silted up marinas that can't take deep keel boats
> [and
> > > > >can't afford dredging permits]. Bolger shoal draft boats
> should
> > be
> > > > >popular around here, but the deep keel Marconi rigs are what
> > > everyone
> > > > >buys, go figure.
> > > >
> > > > Bad ideas, dishonesty, and fear ;-)
> > > >
> > > > YIBB,
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > > C.E.P.
> > > > 415 W.46th Street
> > > > New York, New York 10036
> > > >http://www.crumblingempire.com
> > > > (212) 247-0296
Another possibility is that they know exactly what they are doing:
signalling that they are conformists with too much money. This can be
useful for them if they're willing to pay that price. Kind of like the
tail on a peacock, or a potlatch.
signalling that they are conformists with too much money. This can be
useful for them if they're willing to pay that price. Kind of like the
tail on a peacock, or a potlatch.
--- In bolger@y..., "rlspell2000" <richard@s...> wrote:
> NO! It's the lemming principal.
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "rnlocnil" <lincolnr@m...> wrote:
> > I've heard that SF has strong winds. Maybe people aren't used to
> > shallow boats with good stability?
> > --- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> > > >--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> > > >> Macon, Georgia who cast his own 8000lbs. keel, and now my
> house
> > is
> > > >
> > > >Resolution has an 8,000 lbs. lead keel, hmm...possible?
> > > >
> > > >Here in San Francisco Bay, the only available "live aboard"
> berths
> > > >are in the silted up marinas that can't take deep keel boats
[and
> > > >can't afford dredging permits]. Bolger shoal draft boats
should
> be
> > > >popular around here, but the deep keel Marconi rigs are what
> > everyone
> > > >buys, go figure.
> > >
> > > Bad ideas, dishonesty, and fear ;-)
> > >
> > > YIBB,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > C.E.P.
> > > 415 W.46th Street
> > > New York, New York 10036
> > >http://www.crumblingempire.com
> > > (212) 247-0296
NO! It's the lemming principal.
--- In bolger@y..., "rnlocnil" <lincolnr@m...> wrote:
> I've heard that SF has strong winds. Maybe people aren't used to
> shallow boats with good stability?
> --- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> > >--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> > >> Macon, Georgia who cast his own 8000lbs. keel, and now my
house
> is
> > >
> > >Resolution has an 8,000 lbs. lead keel, hmm...possible?
> > >
> > >Here in San Francisco Bay, the only available "live aboard"
berths
> > >are in the silted up marinas that can't take deep keel boats [and
> > >can't afford dredging permits]. Bolger shoal draft boats should
be
> > >popular around here, but the deep keel Marconi rigs are what
> everyone
> > >buys, go figure.
> >
> > Bad ideas, dishonesty, and fear ;-)
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David
> >
> > C.E.P.
> > 415 W.46th Street
> > New York, New York 10036
> >http://www.crumblingempire.com
> > (212) 247-0296
I've heard that SF has strong winds. Maybe people aren't used to
shallow boats with good stability?
shallow boats with good stability?
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> >--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> >> Macon, Georgia who cast his own 8000lbs. keel, and now my house
is
> >
> >Resolution has an 8,000 lbs. lead keel, hmm...possible?
> >
> >Here in San Francisco Bay, the only available "live aboard" berths
> >are in the silted up marinas that can't take deep keel boats [and
> >can't afford dredging permits]. Bolger shoal draft boats should be
> >popular around here, but the deep keel Marconi rigs are what
everyone
> >buys, go figure.
>
> Bad ideas, dishonesty, and fear ;-)
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> C.E.P.
> 415 W.46th Street
> New York, New York 10036
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> (212) 247-0296
>--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:Bad ideas, dishonesty, and fear ;-)
>> Macon, Georgia who cast his own 8000lbs. keel, and now my house is
>
>Resolution has an 8,000 lbs. lead keel, hmm...possible?
>
>Here in San Francisco Bay, the only available "live aboard" berths
>are in the silted up marinas that can't take deep keel boats [and
>can't afford dredging permits]. Bolger shoal draft boats should be
>popular around here, but the deep keel Marconi rigs are what everyone
>buys, go figure.
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
Here in San Francisco Bay, the only available "live aboard" berths
are in the silted up marinas that can't take deep keel boats [and
can't afford dredging permits]. Bolger shoal draft boats should be
popular around here, but the deep keel Marconi rigs are what everyone
buys, go figure.
> Macon, Georgia who cast his own 8000lbs. keel, and now my house isResolution has an 8,000 lbs. lead keel, hmm...possible?
Here in San Francisco Bay, the only available "live aboard" berths
are in the silted up marinas that can't take deep keel boats [and
can't afford dredging permits]. Bolger shoal draft boats should be
popular around here, but the deep keel Marconi rigs are what everyone
buys, go figure.
> I've written that crazy guy inIn the spectrum from pure DIY to straight purchase is the possibility
> Macon, Georgia who cast his own 8000lbs. keel, and now my house is
> going to be the next superfund site.
of hiring someone experienced to help with actual event after you do
all the scrounging to get the necessary materials and equipment
together.
Peter
FBBB --
Well I've really gone and done it now. I've written that crazy guy in
Macon, Georgia who cast his own 8000lbs. keel, and now my house is
going to be the next superfund site.
The internet is good and the internet is evil.
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
Well I've really gone and done it now. I've written that crazy guy in
Macon, Georgia who cast his own 8000lbs. keel, and now my house is
going to be the next superfund site.
The internet is good and the internet is evil.
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296