[bolger] Re: Clever solution needed to tall skinny problem
I wouldn't wash it, definitely not in a machine. Scrib it flat with a mild
soap if you must. All these fabrics are coated with resin, and you don't
want to wear it off.
A few on-topic good deals offered wouldn't bother me.
Gregg Carlson
At 05:22 PM 1/25/2000 -0500, you wrote:
soap if you must. All these fabrics are coated with resin, and you don't
want to wear it off.
A few on-topic good deals offered wouldn't bother me.
Gregg Carlson
At 05:22 PM 1/25/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>Good question about the dirty sail. It was one that perplexed me when I
>bought my first sailboat.
>
>JSI (local here, big mail order sailing gear) has a sail washing machine
>they advertise for locals. You might call their 800 number (don't have it
>handy) and ask how their machine works (if its extra gentle or something).
>With the small sails on most of the bolger boats we discuss here, it would
>seem a natural to put them in the washer.
>
>BTW, not sure of the protocol here (Gregg?) but I'm helping a friend sell
>off some brand new three and six gallon OEM Yamaha, Tohatsu, and Honda fuel
>tanks on Ebay. If anyone on the list has a need, we're trying to get $20 a
>piece plus shipping ($6-12 UPS). Not trying to be commercial, just helping
>a friend and maybe someone here who like a spare of replacement tank.
>
>rants or questions to me off-group please.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: James Fuller [mailto:Jamar@...]
>> Sent: January 25, 2000 5:08 PM
>> To:bolger@egroups.com
>> Subject: [bolger] Re: Clever solution needed to tall skinny problem
>>
>>
>> True, I bought a 14 ft carbon fiber sailboard mast
>> on e-bay for $20. Also, a Sabot sail for $41.00.
>> there are lots of sailboard accessories up for bid all the time.
>> Which reminds me; how do you clean a dirty sail?
>> can I just put it in the washing machine?
>>
>> James Fuller
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
>> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 2:35 PM
>> Subject: [bolger] Re: Clever solution needed to tall skinny problem
>>
>>
>> > >
>> > >Does anybody have a simple solution to making a 16' mast stiff
>> enough to
>> be
>> > >freestanding that does not take a great deal of skill (by a
>> great deal of
>> > >skill I mean things like creating an eight sided scriber and so on...)
>> >
>> > Sailboarders buy and then throw out gear by the hour. I've got an old
>> > windsurfer mast on my teal. Got it, the teak boom and the sail for
>> > nuthin'. Lil'winnie's got a lot of get up and go with that 7.5 meter
>> > sail!
>> >
>> >
>> > David Ryan
>> > Minister of Information and Culture
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apologies to all Bolger group members for the double postings
previously. I did not realize what would happen at the e-mail end of
things! I am just getting the hang of this web site and communicating
here. I will try to avoid it happening in the future.
Another possibility for cleaning sails is one used by a sailmaker
friend of mine.
This is for Dacron and Nylon sails only.
She puts the sails in a large washtub. One big enough to wash large
dogs in. Use a mild detergent and a little bleach (for mildew) and
scrub the tough spots gently. Rinse thoroughly. Hang outside to dry.
Ask a sailmaker what they do. There are also products specifically
for washing sails. Some stains, like rust spots, and grease are
difficult. You need to be carefull that you don't break down the
fabric in the process. The stiffness is what gives power and helps it
hold shape.
David Jost
djost@...
"james fuller" <jama-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1955
previously. I did not realize what would happen at the e-mail end of
things! I am just getting the hang of this web site and communicating
here. I will try to avoid it happening in the future.
Another possibility for cleaning sails is one used by a sailmaker
friend of mine.
This is for Dacron and Nylon sails only.
She puts the sails in a large washtub. One big enough to wash large
dogs in. Use a mild detergent and a little bleach (for mildew) and
scrub the tough spots gently. Rinse thoroughly. Hang outside to dry.
Ask a sailmaker what they do. There are also products specifically
for washing sails. Some stains, like rust spots, and grease are
difficult. You need to be carefull that you don't break down the
fabric in the process. The stiffness is what gives power and helps it
hold shape.
David Jost
djost@...
"james fuller" <jama-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1955
> True, I bought a 14 ft carbon fiber sailboard mastenough to
> on e-bay for $20. Also, a Sabot sail for $41.00.
> there are lots of sailboard accessories up for bid all the time.
> Which reminds me; how do you clean a dirty sail?
> can I just put it in the washing machine?
>
> James Fuller
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 2:35 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Clever solution needed to tall skinny problem
>
>
> > >
> > >Does anybody have a simple solution to making a 16' mast stiff
> bedeal of
> > >freestanding that does not take a great deal of skill (by a great
> > >skill I mean things like creating an eight sided scriber and soon...)
> >old
> > Sailboarders buy and then throw out gear by the hour. I've got an
> > windsurfer mast on my teal. Got it, the teak boom and the sail for
> > nuthin'. Lil'winnie's got a lot of get up and go with that 7.5 meter
> > sail!
> >
> >
> > David Ryan
> > Minister of Information and Culture
> > Crumbling Empire Productions
> > (212) 247-0296
> >
I would think that some special care may be needed using a windsurfer
mast, as they are not designed to be supported by a rigid partner. The
strain under load, against the partner could cause it to break in winds
that it could easily handle with more flexible support. The hollow
windsurfer mast might do better with a support, such as a fitted "dowel"
in the way of the partner and the step. The dowel might have to be
tapered to allow the load to distribute over some length.
I just made up a hollow gaff for my chebacco, but a windsurfer mast
might be suitable in every way. Shoot!
Cheers;
Fraser Howell
mast, as they are not designed to be supported by a rigid partner. The
strain under load, against the partner could cause it to break in winds
that it could easily handle with more flexible support. The hollow
windsurfer mast might do better with a support, such as a fitted "dowel"
in the way of the partner and the step. The dowel might have to be
tapered to allow the load to distribute over some length.
I just made up a hollow gaff for my chebacco, but a windsurfer mast
might be suitable in every way. Shoot!
Cheers;
Fraser Howell
David Ryan wrote:
darts. This is the technique I use, but I'm to lazy to do the math and I just
make a mold, drape the polytarp over it, pull out the loose material to make
the dart, and tape her together.
When I make my next one I'll take lots of pictures and put them online, with
descriptions.
(Waiting to see of the tape holds up first, also to lazy to sew...)
>It's really quite simple to get belly, Michalak has done essays on using radial
> I think sail shape gets the short shrift on here (probably cuz we're
> all to cheap to buy good sail, and too lame-brained to make them
> ourselves.) The LS Margaret Ellen will make her maiden voyage with
> flat polly-tarp sails till I can figure out how to sew "real" sails
> my self. And believe you me, I am very intimidated by putting the
> proper belly in the sail.
>
darts. This is the technique I use, but I'm to lazy to do the math and I just
make a mold, drape the polytarp over it, pull out the loose material to make
the dart, and tape her together.
When I make my next one I'll take lots of pictures and put them online, with
descriptions.
(Waiting to see of the tape holds up first, also to lazy to sew...)
Good question about the dirty sail. It was one that perplexed me when I
bought my first sailboat.
JSI (local here, big mail order sailing gear) has a sail washing machine
they advertise for locals. You might call their 800 number (don't have it
handy) and ask how their machine works (if its extra gentle or something).
With the small sails on most of the bolger boats we discuss here, it would
seem a natural to put them in the washer.
BTW, not sure of the protocol here (Gregg?) but I'm helping a friend sell
off some brand new three and six gallon OEM Yamaha, Tohatsu, and Honda fuel
tanks on Ebay. If anyone on the list has a need, we're trying to get $20 a
piece plus shipping ($6-12 UPS). Not trying to be commercial, just helping
a friend and maybe someone here who like a spare of replacement tank.
rants or questions to me off-group please.
bought my first sailboat.
JSI (local here, big mail order sailing gear) has a sail washing machine
they advertise for locals. You might call their 800 number (don't have it
handy) and ask how their machine works (if its extra gentle or something).
With the small sails on most of the bolger boats we discuss here, it would
seem a natural to put them in the washer.
BTW, not sure of the protocol here (Gregg?) but I'm helping a friend sell
off some brand new three and six gallon OEM Yamaha, Tohatsu, and Honda fuel
tanks on Ebay. If anyone on the list has a need, we're trying to get $20 a
piece plus shipping ($6-12 UPS). Not trying to be commercial, just helping
a friend and maybe someone here who like a spare of replacement tank.
rants or questions to me off-group please.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Fuller [mailto:Jamar@...]
> Sent: January 25, 2000 5:08 PM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Clever solution needed to tall skinny problem
>
>
> True, I bought a 14 ft carbon fiber sailboard mast
> on e-bay for $20. Also, a Sabot sail for $41.00.
> there are lots of sailboard accessories up for bid all the time.
> Which reminds me; how do you clean a dirty sail?
> can I just put it in the washing machine?
>
> James Fuller
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 2:35 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Clever solution needed to tall skinny problem
>
>
> > >
> > >Does anybody have a simple solution to making a 16' mast stiff
> enough to
> be
> > >freestanding that does not take a great deal of skill (by a
> great deal of
> > >skill I mean things like creating an eight sided scriber and so on...)
> >
> > Sailboarders buy and then throw out gear by the hour. I've got an old
> > windsurfer mast on my teal. Got it, the teak boom and the sail for
> > nuthin'. Lil'winnie's got a lot of get up and go with that 7.5 meter
> > sail!
> >
> >
> > David Ryan
> > Minister of Information and Culture
> > Crumbling Empire Productions
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The scriber is a truely a thing of beauty!
After I cut the taper on my composite 4x4s for the LS Margaret Ellen,
the "automatiquement bon" scribber put the hexigon lines right where
they ought to be, following the taper just so.
Still, this is not as easy as housing sailboarder gear. When thing
warm up, we're putting a fully battened 6.0 on the teal, and see how
she goes!
I think sail shape gets the short shrift on here (probably cuz we're
all to cheap to buy good sail, and too lame-brained to make them
ourselves.) The LS Margaret Ellen will make her maiden voyage with
flat polly-tarp sails till I can figure out how to sew "real" sails
my self. And believe you me, I am very intimidated by putting the
proper belly in the sail.
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
After I cut the taper on my composite 4x4s for the LS Margaret Ellen,
the "automatiquement bon" scribber put the hexigon lines right where
they ought to be, following the taper just so.
Still, this is not as easy as housing sailboarder gear. When thing
warm up, we're putting a fully battened 6.0 on the teal, and see how
she goes!
I think sail shape gets the short shrift on here (probably cuz we're
all to cheap to buy good sail, and too lame-brained to make them
ourselves.) The LS Margaret Ellen will make her maiden voyage with
flat polly-tarp sails till I can figure out how to sew "real" sails
my self. And believe you me, I am very intimidated by putting the
proper belly in the sail.
>David,David Ryan
> I made an 8 sided spar scriber as described in Payson's Book,
>Instant Boats It took me about 1 hour, and a minimum of labor.
>
>You will need:
>
>some 1/2" stock or ply.
>
>some nails long enough to protrude through (I drove nails in then
>lopped off their heads.
>
>screws to hold the thing together
>
>glue.
>
> I took the wood over to the table saw and half way through each leg
>so that fit with the cross piece smoothly. then I glued them together
>and screwed them together until the glue dried. Then I banged in the
>nails a the indicated points with a small hammer and cut the heads off
>the nails. I think I then sharpened the nails with a small file. So
>far, It has done a good enough job when combined with a little
>eyeballing as well.david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1950
> > >
> > >Does anybody have a simple solution to making a 16' mast stiff
>enough to be
> > >freestanding that does not take a great deal of skill (by a great
>deal of
> > >skill I mean things like creating an eight sided scriber and so
>on...)
> >
> > Sailboarders buy and then throw out gear by the hour. I've got an old
> > windsurfer mast on my teal. Got it, the teak boom and the sail for
> > nuthin'. Lil'winnie's got a lot of get up and go with that 7.5 meter
> > sail!
> >
> >
> > David Ryan
> > Minister of Information and Culture
> > Crumbling Empire Productions
> > (212) 247-0296
>
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True, I bought a 14 ft carbon fiber sailboard mast
on e-bay for $20. Also, a Sabot sail for $41.00.
there are lots of sailboard accessories up for bid all the time.
Which reminds me; how do you clean a dirty sail?
can I just put it in the washing machine?
James Fuller
on e-bay for $20. Also, a Sabot sail for $41.00.
there are lots of sailboard accessories up for bid all the time.
Which reminds me; how do you clean a dirty sail?
can I just put it in the washing machine?
James Fuller
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 2:35 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Clever solution needed to tall skinny problem
> >
> >Does anybody have a simple solution to making a 16' mast stiff enough to
be
> >freestanding that does not take a great deal of skill (by a great deal of
> >skill I mean things like creating an eight sided scriber and so on...)
>
> Sailboarders buy and then throw out gear by the hour. I've got an old
> windsurfer mast on my teal. Got it, the teak boom and the sail for
> nuthin'. Lil'winnie's got a lot of get up and go with that 7.5 meter
> sail!
>
>
> David Ryan
> Minister of Information and Culture
> Crumbling Empire Productions
> (212) 247-0296
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david ryan wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=1950
> > > >Does anybody have a simple solution to making a 16' mast stiffenough to be
> >freestanding that does not take a great deal of skill (by a greatdeal of
> >skill I mean things like creating an eight sided scriber and soon...)
> > Sailboarders buy and then throw out gear by the hour. I've got an old > windsurfer mast on my teal. Got it, the teak boom and the sail for > nuthin'. Lil'winnie's got a lot of get up and go with that 7.5 meter > sail! > > > David Ryan > Minister of Information and CultureHere is another opinion: I made an 8 sided spar scriber as described in Payson's Book, Instant Boats It took me about 1 hour, and a minimum of labor. You will need: some 1/2" stock or ply. some nails long enough to protrude through (I drove nails in then lopped off their heads. David Jost screws to hold the thing together glue. I took the wood over to the table saw and half way through each leg so that fit with the cross piece smoothly. then I glued them together and screwed them together until the glue dried. Then I banged in the nails a the indicated points with a small hammer and cut the heads off the nails. I think I then sharpened the nails with a small file. So far, It has done a good enough job when combined with a little eyeballing as well.
> Crumbling Empire Productions > (212) 247-0296
>Sailboarders buy and then throw out gear by the hour. I've got an old
>Does anybody have a simple solution to making a 16' mast stiff enough to be
>freestanding that does not take a great deal of skill (by a great deal of
>skill I mean things like creating an eight sided scriber and so on...)
windsurfer mast on my teal. Got it, the teak boom and the sail for
nuthin'. Lil'winnie's got a lot of get up and go with that 7.5 meter
sail!
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
Buy a good 16 foot dough fir 2x10. It must have two runs the full length
without knots, at least 1/2 inch more than the maximum width of your
mast.
Mark one side "A".
Rip out your good lenghts, glue the "A" sides together.
Put it on saw horses, snap two chalk lines on the side that is up,
outlining the dimensions of your mast. Role it 180 degrees, snap two
more chalk lines. Plane down to the lines. A power planer is handy at
this point.
Repeat process on the other two sides.
Teakdeck@...wrote:
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without knots, at least 1/2 inch more than the maximum width of your
mast.
Mark one side "A".
Rip out your good lenghts, glue the "A" sides together.
Put it on saw horses, snap two chalk lines on the side that is up,
outlining the dimensions of your mast. Role it 180 degrees, snap two
more chalk lines. Plane down to the lines. A power planer is handy at
this point.
Repeat process on the other two sides.
Teakdeck@...wrote:
>--
> Dear Bolgerites,
>
> While everyone else is busy building boats, or modifying the ones they
> already built or designing new boats to build in the future, I am stuck on
> Boat Building 101. The discussion about Junebug has got me turned on to the
> idea of building that little boat instead of Oldshoe (at least for now). But
> looking at the plans in the book, unless my eyes deceive me, the mast for
> Junebug is 16' tall tapering from 11/2 inches square at the bottom to 1" at
> the top. Can this be right?
>
> I am having a terrible time with the masts (that's right, masts) I've built
> for my Windsprint. The first was out of a 4X4 that warped. The second is
> laminated 2x4 cut down to fit inside a 2' schedule 40 PVC pipe and the third
> is a tree from my greenbelt. The third is actually the stiffest of all and
> has a beautiful taper to it but it is riddled with worm holes. For all I know
> they are still in there.
>
> Does anybody have a simple solution to making a 16' mast stiff enough to be
> freestanding that does not take a great deal of skill (by a great deal of
> skill I mean things like creating an eight sided scriber and so on...)
>
> Mike Masten
>
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Dear Bolgerites,
While everyone else is busy building boats, or modifying the ones they
already built or designing new boats to build in the future, I am stuck on
Boat Building 101. The discussion about Junebug has got me turned on to the
idea of building that little boat instead of Oldshoe (at least for now). But
looking at the plans in the book, unless my eyes deceive me, the mast for
Junebug is 16' tall tapering from 11/2 inches square at the bottom to 1" at
the top. Can this be right?
I am having a terrible time with the masts (that's right, masts) I've built
for my Windsprint. The first was out of a 4X4 that warped. The second is
laminated 2x4 cut down to fit inside a 2' schedule 40 PVC pipe and the third
is a tree from my greenbelt. The third is actually the stiffest of all and
has a beautiful taper to it but it is riddled with worm holes. For all I know
they are still in there.
Does anybody have a simple solution to making a 16' mast stiff enough to be
freestanding that does not take a great deal of skill (by a great deal of
skill I mean things like creating an eight sided scriber and so on...)
Mike Masten
While everyone else is busy building boats, or modifying the ones they
already built or designing new boats to build in the future, I am stuck on
Boat Building 101. The discussion about Junebug has got me turned on to the
idea of building that little boat instead of Oldshoe (at least for now). But
looking at the plans in the book, unless my eyes deceive me, the mast for
Junebug is 16' tall tapering from 11/2 inches square at the bottom to 1" at
the top. Can this be right?
I am having a terrible time with the masts (that's right, masts) I've built
for my Windsprint. The first was out of a 4X4 that warped. The second is
laminated 2x4 cut down to fit inside a 2' schedule 40 PVC pipe and the third
is a tree from my greenbelt. The third is actually the stiffest of all and
has a beautiful taper to it but it is riddled with worm holes. For all I know
they are still in there.
Does anybody have a simple solution to making a 16' mast stiff enough to be
freestanding that does not take a great deal of skill (by a great deal of
skill I mean things like creating an eight sided scriber and so on...)
Mike Masten